Rosaceae Fortnight-Rosa moschata from Himachal-GSG02/Sept 2015

[gurinder goraya]

Dears,

Find below pics of Rosa moschata (R. brunonii) from Himachal Pradesh. Usually having white flowers, I have recorded one plant with pinkish flowers.. Hope it is also the same species with some colour variation... or may be a result of some hybridisation.. Comments are solicited pl.

 

 

  

 

 

 

 

Regards,

Dr. G S Goraya, IFS

Deputy Director General (Research),

Indian Council of Forestry Research & Education,

New Forest P.O., Dehradun - 248006.

(Uttarakhand, India) 

Tel. (+91-941-802-5036)

[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for any assistance in the matter please.

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[J.M. Garg]

A reply:

"Kindly check for Rosa macrophylla Lindl. for pink one.

Kind regards,

Varun"

Thanks, Varun ji.

[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

Kindly check for Rosa macrophylla Lindl. for pink one. Kind regards, Varun

efi page on  Rosa macrophylla

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Date: 10 September 2015 at 21:45
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[chrischa...@btinternet.com]

It would be helpful to know where and at what altitude in H.P. these roses were found?   The 'pink' flowered one does not seem to match the first two

images.  Were they from different locations?

Pink-flowered variants of Rosa brunonii are known from Bhutan, so the flower colour alone does not preclude it from being R.brunonii.

See my posts about the COMPLEXITIES of the genus Rosa.

Rosa brunonii seems to be the widespread climbing rose typically with white or cream flowers.  But other species (and cultivated hybrids) are known.

My post about Rosa in Britain & Ireland indicates that a leading specialist who is currently acting as Referee for specimens of Rosa states that one cannot

DETERMINE a species of Rosa in the UK on the basis of flowers alone!   FULLY-DEVELOPED HIPS are required along with portions of leading stem (not

suckers) with leaves and characteristic bristles; a sample of sepals is beneficial.......

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Chadwell ji.

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[gurinder goraya]

Dears,

I have photographed these roses from the same locality in Himachal Pradesh - about 800 m asl near Sundernagar in Mandi district. Of all the wild plants, only one plant was having pinkish flowers.

I have not had the chance to revisit the locality again. 

Dr. G S Goraya, IFS

Deputy Director General (Research),

Indian Council of Forestry Research & Education,

New Forest P.O., Dehradun - 248006.

(Uttarakhand, India) 

Tel. (+91-941-802-5036)

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[C CHADWELL]

Thanks for supplying the information.

My records indicate that Rosa brunonii has not been found below 1220m before so 800m is significantly

lower.

Given its low altitude and thus proximity to habitation the appearance of being wild COULD just mean it

has naturalised.

Interesting.

Please note my other comments as to the challenges of identifying roses.

Best Wishes,

Chris Chadwell

81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK

www.shpa.org.uk

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[gurinder goraya]

Thanks. I'll try to revisit the site this year to have better appreciation of the situation.

Regards,

Dr. G S Goraya, IFS

Deputy Director General (Research),

Indian Council of Forestry Research & Education,

New Forest P.O., Dehradun - 248006.

(Uttarakhand, India) 

Tel. (+91-941-802-5036)

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Thanks for supplying the information.

My records indicate that Rosa brunonii has not been found below 1220m before so 800m is significantly

lower.

Given its low altitude and thus proximity to habitation the appearance of being wild COULD just mean it

has naturalised.

Interesting.

Please note my other comments as to the challenges of identifying roses.

Best Wishes,

Chris Chadwell

81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK

www.shpa.org.uk

Chris Chadwell - shpa.org.uk www.shpa.org.uk Chris Chadwell - Freelance Lecturer, Botanist, Himalaya Specialist, Travel and Plant Photographer, Freelance photo-journalist

[C CHADWELL]

Thanks.   Do read my comments as to Rosa webbiana/macrophylla in Ladakh and the records of

Rosa oxyodon and R.tuschetica from Ladakh both of which approach some forms of Rosa macrophylla. 

Best Wishes,

Chris Chadwell

81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK

www.shpa.org.uk

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