Lamiaceae (incl. Verbenaceae) Fortnight :: Lamiaceae ::Leucas aspera Pune:: SMPMAY01/01

Satish Phadke

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May 5, 2015, 8:12:32 AM5/5/15

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Leucas aspera or Leucas longifolia? Please opine.

A common plant.

Dr Satish Phadke

J.M. Garg

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May 10, 2015, 6:12:59 AM5/10/15

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Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

efi page on Leucas aspera & Leucas longifolia

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May 10, 2015, 9:16:04 AM5/10/15

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I think close-up calyx and whorls, along with bracts are essential to ID a Leucas species. Fortunately we have experts who can identify any plant merely by a mid-shot plate. Of-course, doctors, bestowed with knowledge-info-wisdom and equipped with latest gizmo, can do miracle!

This is probably Leucas longifolia Benth. of Flora of British India.

Thank you

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J.M. Garg

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From: M Swamy <swamy...@gmail.com>
Date: 11 May 2015 at 09:20
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:222813] Lamiaceae (incl. Verbenaceae) Fortnight :: Lamiaceae ::Leucas aspera Pune:: SMPMAY01/01
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>

Leaves have resemblance to the photograph with furrowed midrib portion at : http://indiabiodiversity.org/species/show/33159 . Pl check.

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surajit koley

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May 11, 2015, 11:35:16 AM5/11/15

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Thank you Mahadeswara Sir. I thought it looks similar to -

Calyx mouth also looked flat to me, like -

But, I must be wrong, thank you for correcting me.

Regards

surajit

J.M. Garg

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From: M Swamy <swamy...@gmail.com>
Date: 16 May 2015 at 09:06
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:222813] Lamiaceae (incl. Verbenaceae) Fortnight :: Lamiaceae ::Leucas aspera Pune:: SMPMAY01/01

To: surajit koley <surajitno...@gmail.com>, "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>

Thanks Surajit ji. It is very difficult to check all the characters in a photograph and it often leads to confusion. However, such in-depth studies / reference work, as done by you , is very essential to arrive at the correct ID. I appreciate your efforts to dig out all the details and posting them for the benefit of the members of the group. It is laudable.
In this connection, I wish to state that many a time ecological conditions like Edaphic, Weather, Humidity etc ., determine the shape of a particular plant in a micro climate. For. e.g. Boheraavia species. If I remember right B.diffusa under high calcium conditions the habit of the plant is quite different with many variations in the foliage structure etc. It grows very luxuriously. In my own experience when I was doing the taxonomy dissertation thesis for my Masters course (decades ago) on the 'Fort wall flora of Srirangaptna' (Tippu sultan's fort) I found this glaring difference. The morphological characters of the species growing on the crevices differed from the plant growing on the land very close to fort wall, raising doubts. Plant growing on the fort wall was very luxurious ( all parts bigger in size). When the plant growing on the fort wall was transplanted to the ground close to the fort wall it changed its habit and resembled the one growing on the land . Therefore it is very confusing even to professional taxonomists to ID the plants. One has to take into account all the factors into consideration. On an another occasion, a renowned taxonomist, very close to me, during his visit to my house , noticed the beautiful ornamental plant in full bloom and asked me what plant it was. I just asked him to identify as he was a big taxonomist, and wish to know from him the correct ID. He could not ID the plant i.e. the common Adenum species! When I revealed the true identity he was upset and said that he was familiar with only wild species.
Checking the character with the specimen is very essential for such doubtful IDs. Let the person who posted the original posting check it and confirm it.

All the best in your efforts to contribute to the flora of India through e-flora.

Regards,

Dr.Mahadeswara Swamy

Ushadi Micromini

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May 16, 2015, 8:50:33 AM5/16/15

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Satish

so do you have any more pictures?

like a nice lateral view of the flower , maybe?

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surajit koley

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From: surajit koley <surajitno...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, May 16, 2015 at 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:222813] Lamiaceae (incl. Verbenaceae) Fortnight :: Lamiaceae ::Leucas aspera Pune:: SMPMAY01/01

To: M Swamy <swamy...@gmail.com>
Cc: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>

Respected Mahadeswara Sir,

I fully subscribe to your views, all aspects. I have also noted/experienced variations in a species, and there are several, depending upon ecological condition. And also when a picture of mango leaves was presented before me I failed to identify the species, though I see mango trees everyday. I fully agree with the view that let the person posting the thread decide what species he/she has contributed to the group.

Thank you very much.

With regards

surajit koley

On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 9:06 AM, M Swamy <swamy...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks Surajit ji. It is very difficult to check all the characters in a photograph and it often leads to confusion. However, such in-depth studies / reference work, as done by you , is very essential to arrive at the correct ID. I appreciate your efforts to dig out all the details and posting them for the benefit of the members of the group. It is laudable.
In this connection, I wish to state that many a time ecological conditions like Edaphic, Weather, Humidity etc ., determine the shape of a particular plant in a micro climate. For. e.g. Boheraavia species. If I remember right B.diffusa under high calcium conditions the habit of the plant is quite different with many variations in the foliage structure etc. It grows very luxuriously. In my own experience when I was doing the taxonomy dissertation thesis for my Masters course (decades ago) on the 'Fort wall flora of Srirangaptna' (Tippu sultan's fort) I found this glaring difference. The morphological characters of the species growing on the crevices differed from the plant growing on the land very close to fort wall, raising doubts. Plant growing on the fort wall was very luxurious ( all parts bigger in size). When the plant growing on the fort wall was transplanted to the ground close to the fort wall it changed its habit and resembled the one growing on the land . Therefore it is very confusing even to professional taxonomists to ID the plants. One has to take into account all the factors into consideration. On an another occasion, a renowned taxonomist, very close to me, during his visit to my house , noticed the beautiful ornamental plant in full bloom and asked me what plant it was. I just asked him to identify as he was a big taxonomist, and wish to know from him the correct ID. He could not ID the plant i.e. the common Adenum species! When I revealed the true identity he was upset and said that he was familiar with only wild species.
Checking the character with the specimen is very essential for such doubtful IDs. Let the person who posted the original posting check it and confirm it.
All the best in your efforts to contribute to the flora of India through e-flora.
Regards,
Dr.Mahadeswara Swamy

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Satish Phadke

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May 21, 2015, 11:49:34 AM5/21/15

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It's more from the leaves I suppose.

The plant is common and I will get the lateral view again later

Dr Satish Phadke

surajit koley

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May 21, 2015, 12:36:00 PM5/21/15

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Thanks Satish Sir, please check https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/WuxZAHvKcSo/Ol8Uom8fwFoJ

Regards

surajit

J.M. Garg

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May 23, 2015, 4:41:36 AM5/23/15

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From another thread:

"Dr. Sunoj Calicut University has confirmed it as Leucas longifolia.
DR. V. SAMPATH KUMAR"

Ushadi Micromini

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May 23, 2015, 5:16:59 AM5/23/15

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Gargji

its not another thread

its this same thread

same picture

we have our diagnosis from Dr Sunoj whom Dr Sampath sent the case to...

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