Asteraceae for ID ABSEP2016/47

Ashwini Bhatia

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Sep 25, 2016, 5:17:02 AM9/25/16

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When I found this I thought it to be a Cicerbita or a Lactuca species but I cannot find a match. Please advise.

Above Mcleodganj, HP

2000m approx.

25 September 2016

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Ashwini

Nidhan Singh

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Sep 25, 2016, 10:20:13 AM9/25/16

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I think Prenanthes sp.

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Ashwini Bhatia

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Sep 26, 2016, 12:15:08 AM9/26/16

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Thank you again Nidhan Singh ji. A quick look at yours, Blakar Singh ji's and Gurcharan Singh ji’s posts at efloraofindia suggests my plant to be P. violaefolia. But the FOI shows a very different plant under Lactuca violaefolia, which I had seen on my trek at 3200m and has leaves closer to those of violas. Please advise.

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Ashwini

J.M. Garg

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Sep 26, 2016, 11:11:14 PM9/26/16

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Thanks, Nidhan ji and Ashwini ji

Ashwini Bhatia

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Sep 27, 2016, 12:11:42 AM9/27/16

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Thank you Chris.

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Ashwini

On 27 Sep 2016, at 05:21, C CHADWELL <chrischa...@btinternet.com> wrote:

The suggestion of Prenanthes is sound (which some consider some of the species to be Lactuca).

Lactuca brunoniana (sy. Prenanthes brunoniana) is very common on forest borders or in thin forest
@ 1200-3000m in Kashmir & parts of N.Pakistan and was common in woods at Shimla, so if it is
the correct suggestion genus-wise, this is a good candidate but needs checking.

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Subject: Asteraceae for ID ABSEP2016/47

When I found this I thought it to be a Cicerbita or a Lactuca species but I cannot find a match. Please advise.

Above Mcleodganj, HP
2000m approx.
25 September 2016

Thanks.
Ashwini

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J.M. Garg

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Sep 29, 2016, 7:25:21 AM9/29/16

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Pl. see comparative images with keys at Prenanthes

There is a lot of confusion in the keys as well as the postings.

Hope some throws more light to bring clarity to our images at Prenanthes

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Alok Mahendroo

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Oct 2, 2016, 4:27:42 AM10/2/16

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Similar to my specimen of Prenanthes brunoniana from Dalhousie...

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/indiantreepix/PGWGEfTeynQ

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On Thu, 2016-09-29 at 16:55 +0530, J.M. Garg wrote:

Pl. see comparative images with keys at Prenanthes

There is a lot of confusion in the keys as well as the postings.

Hope some throws more light to bring clarity to our images at Prenanthes

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When I found this I thought it to be a Cicerbita or a Lactuca species but I cannot find a match. Please advise.

Above Mcleodganj, HP

2000m approx.

25 September 2016

Thanks.

Ashwini

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Oct 2, 2016, 7:05:28 AM10/2/16

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Thank you Alok ji. I am collecting more evidence for it but think we have the same plant.

Regards,

Ashwini

On 2 Oct 2016, at 13:57, Alok Mahendroo <alokis...@gmail.com> wrote:

Similar to my specimen of Prenanthes brunoniana from Dalhousie...

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/indiantreepix/PGWGEfTeynQ

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On Thu, 2016-09-29 at 16:55 +0530, J.M. Garg wrote:
Pl. see comparative images with keys at Prenanthes
There is a lot of confusion in the keys as well as the postings.

Hope some throws more light to bring clarity to our images at Prenanthes

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When I found this I thought it to be a Cicerbita or a Lactuca species but I cannot find a match. Please advise.

Above Mcleodganj, HP
2000m approx.
25 September 2016

Thanks.
Ashwini

<_MG_6129_25Sep2016.jpg><_MG_6132_25Sep2016.jpg><_MG_6139_25Sep2016.jpg><_MG_6126_25Sep2016.jpg>

Ashwini Bhatia

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Oct 8, 2016, 12:56:41 AM10/8/16

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I took more photos of plants at about 2000-2100m altitude. The leaves are very variable as can be seen in these photos. The flowers have three white ligules without any red at the base. The plants are much branched with numerous flower heads. These seem to confirm the P. brunoniana suggested by Alok ji. Please advise.

I photographed plants with all leaves hastate/cordate but similar flowers at higher altitudes which I will post separately.

Thanks.

Ashwini

Anil Thakur

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Oct 9, 2016, 3:13:45 AM10/9/16

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Again Lactuca brunoniana (Syn. Prenanthes brunoniana, Cicerbita brunoniana)

J.M. Garg

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Oct 9, 2016, 3:26:24 AM10/9/16

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Ashwini Bhatia

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Oct 9, 2016, 10:04:23 AM10/9/16

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Thank you once again Anil ji.

Regards,

Ashwini

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