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Forwarding again for Id assistance please.
Some earlier relevant feedback:
Lindenbergia ?? -- Regards,
Dr. Nidhan Singh |
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Dear Dr.Singh,
Didnot find any match tobtjr Lindenbergia .
Thank you .
Saroj Kasaju
Some earlier relevant feedback:
It was unfortunate that when I went to the spot after a couple of weeks to get pictures of |
the plant there was no trace of any plant . However, from your hint and comparison of web pictures I guess it could be Rhinanthus minor L. (accepted name). Request experts for opinion. Thank you. Saroj kasaju |
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Does not match with the illustration at the given link (of Rhinanthus glaber Lamarck syn: Rhinanthus major Ehrhart): http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=3778&flora_id=2 |
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This plant is neither Rhinanthus minor (known as 'Yellow-Rattle' in the UK) nor R.glaber recordedfrom China. Neither have records for Nepal nor anywhere in the Himalaya proper, as far as I know.I shall see what I or others can come up with. These sub-tropical locations and associated flora are not familiarterritory for me..... Hopefully someone else can "come to the rescue". Seems quite distinctive, so someone shouldbe able to recognise it.By the way, two 'Rhinanthus' was included in 'Flora of British India' one a synonym for Pedicularis bifida (Scrophulariaceae)the other for Geniospermum elongatum (Lamiaceae).
Dear Dr RawatWell Done. I am in agreement that your suggestion is awfully close. Pity the images do notshow fully developed flowers or better close-ups.'Enumeration of Flowering Plants of Nepal' say 1000-2600m Himalaya, India, east to W&C China, Malaysia.But the nomenclature is complicated. They have it as Melasma arvense. Hooker knew it as Alectra indica.Whichever genus is currently accepted, they have been transferred from Scrophulariaceae to Orobanchaceae.I hear some non-botanists thinking that not only do taxonomists change species names and names of generabut families as well!Unfortunately, M.arvense is not currently an accepted name on 'The Plant List' - I cannot readily find which genus itis included under here?
To: C CHADWELL <chrischadwell261@btinternet.com>
Cc: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>; efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>; Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 18 October 2016, 15:54
Subject: Re: Fwd: SK99SEP12-1016:ID
DSRawat PantnagarI invested some time to find the ID of this plant which I have never seen in nature.It is either Melasma avense (=Alectra avensis) of Scrophulariaceae or a species very close to it.
Dr D.S.RawatDepartment of Biological Sciences, G.B. Pant University of Agriculture & Technology Pantnagar-263 145 Uttarakhand, INDIAeflorapantnagar displaying wild flora of Pantnagar
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Thanks, Rawat ji & Chadwell ji.It is under Orobanchaceae as per the Plant List Ver. 1.1
On 18 October 2016 at 21:25, C CHADWELL <chrischadwell261@btinternet.com> wrote:
Dear Dr RawatWell Done. I am in agreement that your suggestion is awfully close. Pity the images do notshow fully developed flowers or better close-ups.'Enumeration of Flowering Plants of Nepal' say 1000-2600m Himalaya, India, east to W&C China, Malaysia.But the nomenclature is complicated. They have it as Melasma arvense. Hooker knew it as Alectra indica.Whichever genus is currently accepted, they have been transferred from Scrophulariaceae to Orobanchaceae.I hear some non-botanists thinking that not only do taxonomists change species names and names of generabut families as well!Unfortunately, M.arvense is not currently an accepted name on 'The Plant List' - I cannot readily find which genus itis included under here?
Cc: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>; efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>; Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Thanks, Rawat ji & Chadwell ji.It is under Orobanchaceae as per the Plant List Ver. 1.1
On 18 October 2016 at 21:25, C CHADWELL <chrischadwell261@btinternet. com> wrote:
Dear Dr RawatWell Done. I am in agreement that your suggestion is awfully close. Pity the images do notshow fully developed flowers or better close-ups.'Enumeration of Flowering Plants of Nepal' say 1000-2600m Himalaya, India, east to W&C China, Malaysia.But the nomenclature is complicated. They have it as Melasma arvense. Hooker knew it as Alectra indica.Whichever genus is currently accepted, they have been transferred from Scrophulariaceae to Orobanchaceae.I hear some non-botanists thinking that not only do taxonomists change species names and names of generabut families as well!Unfortunately, M.arvense is not currently an accepted name on 'The Plant List' - I cannot readily find which genus itis included under here?
Cc: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>; efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.co m>; Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 18 October 2016, 15:54
Subject: Re: Fwd: SK99SEP12-1016:ID
DSRawat PantnagarI invested some time to find the ID of this plant which I have never seen in nature.It is either Melasma avense (=Alectra avensis) of Scrophulariaceae or a species very close to it.
Dr D.S.RawatDepartment of Biological Sciences, G.B. Pant University of Agriculture & Technology Pantnagar-263 145 Uttarakhand, INDIAeflorapantnagar displaying wild flora of Pantnagar
But what is the accepted name for 'The Plant List'?
Cc: C CHADWELL <chrischadwell261@btinternet.com>; D.S Rawat <drdsrawat...@gmail.com>; efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>
Thanks for tracking down Alectra sessiflora on 'The Plant List' - this is the one you shouldalways go to first and have the greatest confidence in (though is not perfect with the Googleimages simply obtained [without permission or contacting anyone - some of my photos and linksto a site I have taken down are used and rely on the identification efforts of all sorts of people - manycannot be relied upon but some are correct; also the Kew herbarium site has two main problems in thesome of the names used for the specimens are out-of-date synonyms plus the images are not of highresolution, so one cannot see much detail).It is a collaboration between the RBG, Kew and the Missouri Botanical Garden - two of the leading botanicalinstitutions in the world. This site therefore out-ranks anything else - unless you have a site which has inputfrom those specialising in the region or country who can improve upon what 'The Plant List' offers -not many sites do.'The Plant List' is the most reliable but far from perfect - as, unfortunately, is the case with plant identification,it is not as exact as we would like. The plants themselves do not allow it to be! And as I keep saying, theflora of the Himalaya (my speciality) and India as a whole is imperfectly known.
From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
To: C CHADWELL <chrischadwell261@btinternet.com>
Cc: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>; D.S Rawat <drdsrawat...@gmail.com>; efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>
Thanks, Chadwell ji & Saroj ji,Earlier it was GRIN, which was supposed to be very good, but it did gave only a few synonyms.After that there were some efforts by ITIS & Species 2000.Further things changed with the coming of The Plant List in 2012, which I think was further modified in 2014 with Ver. 1.1, to reduce the anomalies. But it is based on fixed datasets taken from different sources like WCSP, ILDIS, GCC etc. However, there are still lot of discrepancies. But here the most important thing is to check the underlying source like WCSP, ILDIS, GCC etc. before arriving at any decision.Now Catalogue of Life has been released in 2016 (with the working together of ITIS & Species 2000 along with WCSP & other databases), which I find is generally better than the The Plant List Ver. 1.1.Pl. see its details at http://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/info/aboutAlong with the resources as above, we can also check in different efloras like Flora of China, Flora of Pakistan, BSI Flora of India & local floras etc. & take a final decision based on ones' judgement.
Cc: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>; D.S Rawat <drdsrawat...@gmail.com>; efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>
Thanks, Chadwell ji & Saroj ji,Earlier it was GRIN, which was supposed to be very good, but it did gave only a few synonyms.After that there were some efforts by ITIS & Species 2000.Further things changed with the coming of The Plant List in 2012, which I think was further modified in 2014 with Ver. 1.1, to reduce the anomalies. But it is based on fixed datasets taken from different sources like WCSP, ILDIS, GCC etc. However, there are still lot of discrepancies. But here the most important thing is to check the underlying source like WCSP, ILDIS, GCC etc. before arriving at any decision.Now Catalogue of Life has been released in 2016 (with the working together of ITIS & Species 2000 along with WCSP & other databases), which I find is generally better than the The Plant List Ver. 1.1.Pl. see its details at http://www.catalogueoflife.org /col/info/aboutAlong with the resources as above, we can also check in different efloras like Flora of China, Flora of Pakistan, BSI Flora of India & local floras etc. & take a final decision based on ones' judgement.
On 20 October 2016 at 00:49, C CHADWELL <chrischadwell261@btinternet. com> wrote:
Thanks for tracking down Alectra sessiflora on 'The Plant List' - this is the one you shouldalways go to first and have the greatest confidence in (though is not perfect with the Googleimages simply obtained [without permission or contacting anyone - some of my photos and linksto a site I have taken down are used and rely on the identification efforts of all sorts of people - manycannot be relied upon but some are correct; also the Kew herbarium site has two main problems in thesome of the names used for the specimens are out-of-date synonyms plus the images are not of highresolution, so one cannot see much detail).It is a collaboration between the RBG, Kew and the Missouri Botanical Garden - two of the leading botanicalinstitutions in the world. This site therefore out-ranks anything else - unless you have a site which has inputfrom those specialising in the region or country who can improve upon what 'The Plant List' offers -not many sites do.'The Plant List' is the most reliable but far from perfect - as, unfortunately, is the case with plant identification,it is not as exact as we would like. The plants themselves do not allow it to be! And as I keep saying, theflora of the Himalaya (my speciality) and India as a whole is imperfectly known.
Cc: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>; D.S Rawat <drdsrawat...@gmail.com> ; efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.co m>
Thanks, Chadwell ji, for your views.
Cc: C CHADWELL <chrischadwell261@btinternet.com>; D.S Rawat <drdsrawat...@gmail.com>; efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>
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