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Saroj Kasaju

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Sep 12, 2016, 5:23:46 AM9/12/16
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Dear Mr. Garg,


Sharing some pictures for ID shot at Gund Bhaktapur Nepal on 11 September 2016 at 5100 ft.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju
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J.M. Garg

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Sep 12, 2016, 5:33:08 AM9/12/16
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Beautiful images, Saroj ji.
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Sep 15, 2016, 6:53:11 AM9/15/16
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Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

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J.M. Garg

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Sep 18, 2016, 3:55:26 AM9/18/16
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Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

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Nidhan Singh

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Sep 22, 2016, 11:30:29 PM9/22/16
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Lindenbergia ??
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J.M. Garg

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Sep 25, 2016, 5:35:10 AM9/25/16
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Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

Lindenbergia ?? --

Regards,
Dr. Nidhan Singh

 


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Saroj Kasaju

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Sep 25, 2016, 5:49:09 AM9/25/16
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Dear Dr.Singh,

Didnot find any match tobtjr Lindenbergia .

Thank you .

Saroj Kasaju

D.S Rawat

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Oct 9, 2016, 1:40:09 AM10/9/16
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Scrophulariaceae member.
Any chance of Rhinanthus, though Rhinanthus is not known in Nepal flora of China list one species.
DSRawat Pantnagar

J.M. Garg

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Saroj Kasaju

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Oct 10, 2016, 4:42:46 AM10/10/16
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Dear All,

It was unfortunate that when I went to the spot after a couple of weeks to get pictures of 
the plant there was no trace of any plant .

However, from your hint and comparison of web pictures I guess it could be Rhinanthus minor L. (accepted name).

Request experts for opinion.

Thank you.


Saroj kasaju
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J.M. Garg

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Oct 17, 2016, 3:21:02 AM10/17/16
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Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

It was unfortunate that when I went to the spot after a couple of weeks to get pictures of 
the plant there was no trace of any plant .
However, from your hint and comparison of web pictures I guess it could be Rhinanthus minor L. (accepted name).
Request experts for opinion.
Thank you.
Saroj kasaju 

Does not match with the illustration at the given link (of Rhinanthus glaber Lamarck syn: Rhinanthus major Ehrhart): http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=3778&flora_id=2 

 


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Date: 12 September 2016 at 14:53
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Saroj Kasaju

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Oct 17, 2016, 6:10:27 AM10/17/16
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Looks like difficult one!

C CHADWELL

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Oct 17, 2016, 4:06:36 PM10/17/16
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This plant is neither Rhinanthus minor (known as 'Yellow-Rattle' in the UK) nor R.glaber recorded
from China.   Neither have records for Nepal nor anywhere in the Himalaya proper, as far as I know.

I shall see what I or others can come up with.   These sub-tropical locations and associated flora are not familiar
territory for me.....  Hopefully someone else can "come to the rescue".   Seems quite distinctive, so someone should
be able to recognise it.

By the way, two 'Rhinanthus' was included in 'Flora of British India' one a synonym for Pedicularis bifida (Scrophulariaceae)
the other for Geniospermum elongatum (Lamiaceae).


Best Wishes,


Chris Chadwell


81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK








From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>
Cc: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>; D.S Rawat <drdsrawat...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, 17 October 2016, 8:20
Subject: Fwd: SK99SEP12-1016:ID

D.S Rawat

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Oct 18, 2016, 10:55:38 AM10/18/16
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I invested some time to find the ID of this plant which I have never seen in nature.
It is either Melasma avense (=Alectra avensis) of Scrophulariaceae or a species very close to it.
DSRawat Pantnagar


Dr D.S.Rawat
Department of Biological Sciences, G.B. Pant University of Agriculture & Technology Pantnagar-263 145 Uttarakhand, INDIA
eflorapantnagar displaying wild flora of Pantnagar

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 1:32 AM, C CHADWELL <chrischa...@btinternet.com> wrote:
This plant is neither Rhinanthus minor (known as 'Yellow-Rattle' in the UK) nor R.glaber recorded
from China.   Neither have records for Nepal nor anywhere in the Himalaya proper, as far as I know.

I shall see what I or others can come up with.   These sub-tropical locations and associated flora are not familiar
territory for me.....  Hopefully someone else can "come to the rescue".   Seems quite distinctive, so someone should
be able to recognise it.

By the way, two 'Rhinanthus' was included in 'Flora of British India' one a synonym for Pedicularis bifida (Scrophulariaceae)
the other for Geniospermum elongatum (Lamiaceae).


Best Wishes,


Chris Chadwell


81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK








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C CHADWELL

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Oct 18, 2016, 11:58:28 AM10/18/16
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Dear Dr Rawat

Well Done.  I am in agreement that your suggestion is awfully close.  Pity the images do not
show fully developed flowers or better close-ups.

'Enumeration of Flowering Plants of Nepal'  say 1000-2600m Himalaya, India, east to W&C China, Malaysia.

But the nomenclature is complicated.  They have it as Melasma arvense.  Hooker knew it as Alectra indica.

Whichever genus is currently accepted, they have been transferred from Scrophulariaceae to Orobanchaceae.

I hear some non-botanists thinking that not only do taxonomists change species names and names of genera
but families as well!

Unfortunately, M.arvense is not currently an accepted name on 'The Plant List' - I cannot readily find which genus it
is included under here?


Best Wishes,


Chris Chadwell


81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK










From: D.S Rawat <drdsrawat...@gmail.com>
To: C CHADWELL <chrischa...@btinternet.com>
Cc: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>; efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>; Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 18 October 2016, 15:54
Subject: Re: Fwd: SK99SEP12-1016:ID

J.M. Garg

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Oct 19, 2016, 1:18:53 AM10/19/16
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Thanks, Rawat ji & Chadwell ji.
It is under Orobanchaceae as per the Plant List Ver. 1.1

On 18 October 2016 at 21:25, C CHADWELL <chrischa...@btinternet.com> wrote:
Dear Dr Rawat

Well Done.  I am in agreement that your suggestion is awfully close.  Pity the images do not
show fully developed flowers or better close-ups.

'Enumeration of Flowering Plants of Nepal'  say 1000-2600m Himalaya, India, east to W&C China, Malaysia.

But the nomenclature is complicated.  They have it as Melasma arvense.  Hooker knew it as Alectra indica.

Whichever genus is currently accepted, they have been transferred from Scrophulariaceae to Orobanchaceae.

I hear some non-botanists thinking that not only do taxonomists change species names and names of genera
but families as well!

Unfortunately, M.arvense is not currently an accepted name on 'The Plant List' - I cannot readily find which genus it
is included under here?


Best Wishes,


Chris Chadwell


81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK








From: D.S Rawat <drdsrawat...@gmail.com>
To: C CHADWELL <chrischadwell261@btinternet.com>
Cc: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>; efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>; Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>

Sent: Tuesday, 18 October 2016, 15:54
Subject: Re: Fwd: SK99SEP12-1016:ID
I invested some time to find the ID of this plant which I have never seen in nature.
It is either Melasma avense (=Alectra avensis) of Scrophulariaceae or a species very close to it.
DSRawat Pantnagar


Dr D.S.Rawat
Department of Biological Sciences, G.B. Pant University of Agriculture & Technology Pantnagar-263 145 Uttarakhand, INDIA
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Saroj Kasaju

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Oct 19, 2016, 3:08:20 AM10/19/16
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Dear all,

Hell of a task for all .
Thank you all for the painstaking efforts for the ID.

Now do we presume accepted name according to the Catalogue of life, India Biodiversity Portal and Bhutan Diversity Portal as  :

Alectra avensis (Benth.) Merr. (accepted name) 
syn: Melasma avense   ??




Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 11:03 AM, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks, Rawat ji & Chadwell ji.
It is under Orobanchaceae as per the Plant List Ver. 1.1
On 18 October 2016 at 21:25, C CHADWELL <chrischadwell261@btinternet.com> wrote:
Dear Dr Rawat

Well Done.  I am in agreement that your suggestion is awfully close.  Pity the images do not
show fully developed flowers or better close-ups.

'Enumeration of Flowering Plants of Nepal'  say 1000-2600m Himalaya, India, east to W&C China, Malaysia.

But the nomenclature is complicated.  They have it as Melasma arvense.  Hooker knew it as Alectra indica.

Whichever genus is currently accepted, they have been transferred from Scrophulariaceae to Orobanchaceae.

I hear some non-botanists thinking that not only do taxonomists change species names and names of genera
but families as well!

Unfortunately, M.arvense is not currently an accepted name on 'The Plant List' - I cannot readily find which genus it
is included under here?


Best Wishes,


Chris Chadwell


81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK








From: D.S Rawat <drdsrawat...@gmail.com>
To: C CHADWELL <chrischadwell261@btinternet.com>
Cc: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>; efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>; Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>

C CHADWELL

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Oct 19, 2016, 12:35:51 PM10/19/16
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But what is the accepted name for 'The Plant List'? 


Best Wishes,


Chris Chadwell


81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK








From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
To: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Cc: C CHADWELL <chrischa...@btinternet.com>; D.S Rawat <drdsrawat...@gmail.com>; efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 19 October 2016, 8:08
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:254113] Re: Fwd: SK99SEP12-1016:ID

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 11:03 AM, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks, Rawat ji & Chadwell ji.
It is under Orobanchaceae as per the Plant List Ver. 1.1
On 18 October 2016 at 21:25, C CHADWELL <chrischadwell261@btinternet. com> wrote:
Dear Dr Rawat

Well Done.  I am in agreement that your suggestion is awfully close.  Pity the images do not
show fully developed flowers or better close-ups.

'Enumeration of Flowering Plants of Nepal'  say 1000-2600m Himalaya, India, east to W&C China, Malaysia.

But the nomenclature is complicated.  They have it as Melasma arvense.  Hooker knew it as Alectra indica.

Whichever genus is currently accepted, they have been transferred from Scrophulariaceae to Orobanchaceae.

I hear some non-botanists thinking that not only do taxonomists change species names and names of genera
but families as well!

Unfortunately, M.arvense is not currently an accepted name on 'The Plant List' - I cannot readily find which genus it
is included under here?


Best Wishes,


Chris Chadwell


81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK








From: D.S Rawat <drdsrawat...@gmail.com>
To: C CHADWELL <chrischadwell261@btinternet.c om>
Cc: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>; efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.co m>; Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>

Sent: Tuesday, 18 October 2016, 15:54
Subject: Re: Fwd: SK99SEP12-1016:ID
I invested some time to find the ID of this plant which I have never seen in nature.
It is either Melasma avense (=Alectra avensis) of Scrophulariaceae or a species very close to it.
DSRawat Pantnagar


Dr D.S.Rawat
Department of Biological Sciences, G.B. Pant University of Agriculture & Technology Pantnagar-263 145 Uttarakhand, INDIA
eflorapantnagar displaying wild flora of Pantnagar

Saroj Kasaju

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Oct 19, 2016, 1:06:06 PM10/19/16
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On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 10:17 PM, C CHADWELL <chrischa...@btinternet.com> wrote:
But what is the accepted name for 'The Plant List'? 


Best Wishes,


Chris Chadwell


81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK








From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
To: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>

C CHADWELL

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Oct 19, 2016, 3:21:58 PM10/19/16
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Thanks for tracking down Alectra sessiflora on 'The Plant List' - this is the one you should
always go to first and have the greatest confidence in (though is not perfect with the Google
images simply obtained [without permission or contacting anyone - some of my photos and links
to a site I have taken down are used and rely on the identification efforts of all sorts of people - many 
cannot be relied upon but some are correct; also the Kew herbarium site has two main problems in the
some of the names used for the specimens are out-of-date synonyms plus the images are not of high
resolution, so one cannot see much detail).

It is a collaboration between the RBG, Kew and the Missouri Botanical Garden - two of the leading botanical
institutions in the world.  This site therefore out-ranks anything else - unless you have a site which has input
from those specialising in the region or country who can improve upon what 'The Plant List' offers -
not many sites do.

'The Plant List' is the most reliable but far from perfect - as, unfortunately, is the case with plant identification,
it is not as exact as we would like.   The plants themselves do not allow it to be!   And as I keep saying, the
flora of the Himalaya (my speciality) and India as a whole is imperfectly known.


Best Wishes,


Chris Chadwell


81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK








From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
To: C CHADWELL <chrischa...@btinternet.com>
Cc: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>; D.S Rawat <drdsrawat...@gmail.com>; efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>
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Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:254113] Re: Fwd: SK99SEP12-1016:ID

J.M. Garg

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Oct 20, 2016, 1:26:27 AM10/20/16
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Thanks, Chadwell ji & Saroj ji,
Earlier it was GRIN, which was supposed to be very good, but it did gave only a few synonyms.

After that there were some efforts by ITIS & Species 2000.

Further things changed with the coming of The Plant List in 2012, which I think was further modified in 2014 with Ver. 1.1, to reduce the anomalies. But it is based on fixed datasets taken from different sources like WCSP, ILDIS, GCC etc. However, there are still lot of discrepancies. But here the most important thing is to check the underlying source like WCSP, ILDIS, GCC etc. before arriving at any decision. 

Now Catalogue of Life has been released in 2016 (with the working together of  ITIS & Species 2000 along with WCSP & other databases), which I find is generally better than the The Plant List Ver. 1.1.

Along with the resources as above, we can also check in different efloras like Flora of China, Flora of Pakistan, BSI Flora of India & local floras etc. & take a final decision based on ones' judgement.

On 20 October 2016 at 00:49, C CHADWELL <chrischa...@btinternet.com> wrote:
Thanks for tracking down Alectra sessiflora on 'The Plant List' - this is the one you should
always go to first and have the greatest confidence in (though is not perfect with the Google
images simply obtained [without permission or contacting anyone - some of my photos and links
to a site I have taken down are used and rely on the identification efforts of all sorts of people - many 
cannot be relied upon but some are correct; also the Kew herbarium site has two main problems in the
some of the names used for the specimens are out-of-date synonyms plus the images are not of high
resolution, so one cannot see much detail).

It is a collaboration between the RBG, Kew and the Missouri Botanical Garden - two of the leading botanical
institutions in the world.  This site therefore out-ranks anything else - unless you have a site which has input
from those specialising in the region or country who can improve upon what 'The Plant List' offers -
not many sites do.

'The Plant List' is the most reliable but far from perfect - as, unfortunately, is the case with plant identification,
it is not as exact as we would like.   The plants themselves do not allow it to be!   And as I keep saying, the
flora of the Himalaya (my speciality) and India as a whole is imperfectly known.


Best Wishes,


Chris Chadwell


81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK








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To: C CHADWELL <chrischadwell261@btinternet.com>
Cc: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>; D.S Rawat <drdsrawat...@gmail.com>; efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>

Saroj Kasaju

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Oct 20, 2016, 4:26:34 AM10/20/16
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Thank you Mr. Garg.

I guess CoL is more reliable for ID.



On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 11:11 AM, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks, Chadwell ji & Saroj ji,
Earlier it was GRIN, which was supposed to be very good, but it did gave only a few synonyms.

After that there were some efforts by ITIS & Species 2000.

Further things changed with the coming of The Plant List in 2012, which I think was further modified in 2014 with Ver. 1.1, to reduce the anomalies. But it is based on fixed datasets taken from different sources like WCSP, ILDIS, GCC etc. However, there are still lot of discrepancies. But here the most important thing is to check the underlying source like WCSP, ILDIS, GCC etc. before arriving at any decision. 

Now Catalogue of Life has been released in 2016 (with the working together of  ITIS & Species 2000 along with WCSP & other databases), which I find is generally better than the The Plant List Ver. 1.1.

Along with the resources as above, we can also check in different efloras like Flora of China, Flora of Pakistan, BSI Flora of India & local floras etc. & take a final decision based on ones' judgement.
Cc: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>; D.S Rawat <drdsrawat...@gmail.com>; efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>

C CHADWELL

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Oct 21, 2016, 10:55:24 PM10/21/16
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I am still very new both to 'The Plant List' and 'Catalogue of Life'.

Whether or not CoL has higher standing in the world of taxonomy, I cannot say at present but even if it
does, then one would only go here for, in theory more reliable NOMENCLATURE and TAXONOMIC treatment.

The important question is RELIABILITY of IDENTIFICATION - all CoL provides is a NAME.

Whereas 'The Plant List' allows me to look at images of each species (where they exist and bearing in mind
many are misidentified, though I can usually judge their reliability) and herbarium specimens at Kew (when they exist
and bearing in mind Kew often has plants named using an old synonym not necessarily the currently accepted name
in 'The Plant List' or CoL.

A plant is still CORRECTLY identified even if one uses an older synonym.

Identification is one thing, nomenclature and taxonomic treatments are separate.

In the early days of 'The Plant Finder' in the UK (which lists by genus and species) plants availale in
cultivation from nurseries not much effort was put into consistent and reliable nomenclature.  Then much
effort (and some expertise) was put in but there was confusion between up-to-date names (correctly spelt)
and reliable identifications.  Just because a nursery says they are growing a particular plant is what they claim
does not guarantee it - I repeat that my informal studies suggest at least 50% of plants in cultivation under
Himalayan names, whether seed companies, specialist nurseries or botanic garden Index Semina, are misidentified.

Just because a nursery has a picture on the internet names as a Himalayan species does not mean it actually is.


Best Wishes,


Chris Chadwell


81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK








From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
To: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:254113] Re: Fwd: SK99SEP12-1016:ID
Thank you Mr. Garg.

I guess CoL is more reliable for ID.


On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 11:11 AM, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks, Chadwell ji & Saroj ji,
Earlier it was GRIN, which was supposed to be very good, but it did gave only a few synonyms.

After that there were some efforts by ITIS & Species 2000.

Further things changed with the coming of The Plant List in 2012, which I think was further modified in 2014 with Ver. 1.1, to reduce the anomalies. But it is based on fixed datasets taken from different sources like WCSP, ILDIS, GCC etc. However, there are still lot of discrepancies. But here the most important thing is to check the underlying source like WCSP, ILDIS, GCC etc. before arriving at any decision. 

Now Catalogue of Life has been released in 2016 (with the working together of  ITIS & Species 2000 along with WCSP & other databases), which I find is generally better than the The Plant List Ver. 1.1.

Along with the resources as above, we can also check in different efloras like Flora of China, Flora of Pakistan, BSI Flora of India & local floras etc. & take a final decision based on ones' judgement.
On 20 October 2016 at 00:49, C CHADWELL <chrischadwell261@btinternet. com> wrote:
Thanks for tracking down Alectra sessiflora on 'The Plant List' - this is the one you should
always go to first and have the greatest confidence in (though is not perfect with the Google
images simply obtained [without permission or contacting anyone - some of my photos and links
to a site I have taken down are used and rely on the identification efforts of all sorts of people - many 
cannot be relied upon but some are correct; also the Kew herbarium site has two main problems in the
some of the names used for the specimens are out-of-date synonyms plus the images are not of high
resolution, so one cannot see much detail).

It is a collaboration between the RBG, Kew and the Missouri Botanical Garden - two of the leading botanical
institutions in the world.  This site therefore out-ranks anything else - unless you have a site which has input
from those specialising in the region or country who can improve upon what 'The Plant List' offers -
not many sites do.

'The Plant List' is the most reliable but far from perfect - as, unfortunately, is the case with plant identification,
it is not as exact as we would like.   The plants themselves do not allow it to be!   And as I keep saying, the
flora of the Himalaya (my speciality) and India as a whole is imperfectly known.


Best Wishes,


Chris Chadwell


81 Parlaunt Road 
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UK








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Thanks, Chadwell ji, for your views.


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