SK774 06 OCT-2017:ID

[Saroj Kasaju]

Dear Members,

Location :  Way to Pokhara, Nepal 

Date : 14 August 2017
Altitude : 2200 ft.

Cucurbitaceae ... ??

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[J.M. Garg]

Very interesting. Pl. check comparative images at family page. 

[Saroj Kasaju]

I did.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

Very interesting. Pl. check comparative images at family page.- from me

I did. Thank you. Saroj Kasaju

Also I could not find any match at Cucurbitaceae - from me

--

With regards,
J.M.Garg

'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna'

Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia. 

For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group (largest in the world- around 2800 members & 2,65,000 messages on 31.3.17) or Efloraofindia website (with a species database of more than 12,000 species & 2,50,000 images).

The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as per Creative Commons license attached with each image.

Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of India'.

[Saroj Kasaju]

Trichosanthes spp ...???

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

There appears to be some possibility for Trichosanthes sp. going by bracts at Trichosanthes tricuspidata Lour.  

However could not find a match as per comparative images available at Trichosanthes‎ and as per images below (based on Checklist of Nepal):

http://tropical.theferns.info/image.php?id=Trichosanthes+ovigera#plantimages/b/7/b79d94e82deaa9835ecdd78cb1d398d0bcf8c2e7.jpg (Trichosanthes ovigera Images)

https://www.flickr.com/photos/karlostachys/3267522072/in/photostream/ (Trichosanthes wallichiana)

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: 6 October 2017 at 21:06
Subject: SK774 06 OCT-2017:ID

To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks a lot, Susanne ji.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Susanne Renner
Date: 28 October 2017 at 12:50
Subject: Re: SK774 06 OCT-2017:ID
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>


Dear Colleagues,

 Yes, it is a Trichosanthes, but I would need to see a dried specimen to decide on the species.

It is very easy to dried a few leaves and flowers between newspaper and send them to me for identification.  There is nothing that prohibits the exchange of material among international herbaria.  I just wished my Indian colleagues would understand that. The only thing that will document (and thereby protect) the Indian flora for the future is specimens in herbaria, not photos.

I am the Director of the Munich herbaria (M & MSB) -- see http://www.bsm.mwn.de/

Best regards,

Susanne

<DSC_0425.JPG><DSC_0428.JPG><DSC_0433.JPG><DSC_0436.JPG><DSC_0437.JPG><DSC_0439.JPG><DSC_0441.JPG><DSC_0443.JPG>

[Saroj Kasaju]

Dear Dr. Renner,

Thank you for your concern. Unfortuntely I did not collect 

the specimen and it is very far from my place . May be I 

would collect next time when I pass through the area.

By the way it is from Nepal.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Susanne Renner <ren...@lmu.de> wrote:

Dear Colleagues,

 Yes, it is a Trichosanthes, but I would need to see a dried specimen to decide on the species.

It is very easy to dried a few leaves and flowers between newspaper and send them to me for identification.  There is nothing that prohibits the exchange of material among international herbaria.  I just wished my Indian colleagues would understand that. The only thing that will document (and thereby protect) the Indian flora for the future is specimens in herbaria, not photos.

I am the Director of the Munich herbaria (M & MSB) -- see http://www.bsm.mwn.de/

Best regards,

Susanne

On 27. Oct 2017, at 14:21, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Saroj Kasaju]

Trichosanthes cordata Roxb.  ??

http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=110&taxon_id=200022760

https://www.google.com.np/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm9.static.flickr.com%2F8025%2F28448297103_766fb23f9c.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickriver.com%2Fphotos%2F56047685%40N02%2F28448297103%2F&docid=M8cRiueRaFOsjM&tbnid=Jl4W2gRJu5uOVM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwjLsbShoqTeAhWMPI8KHR7LDXcQMwg9KAAwAA..i&w=500&h=281&bih=501&biw=1093&q=Trichosanthes%20cordata%20&ved=0ahUKEwjLsbShoqTeAhWMPI8KHR7LDXcQMwg9KAAwAA&iact=mrc&uact=8

https://www.google.com.np/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fc1.staticflickr.com%2F9%2F8138%2F28826235734_2f42917de0_b.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Flopokhun%2F28826235734&docid=TPGBZq2ConXDYM&tbnid=s-KtZOHgMo_M6M%3A&vet=10ahUKEwjLsbShoqTeAhWMPI8KHR7LDXcQMwhNKBAwEA..i&w=1024&h=768&bih=501&biw=1093&q=Trichosanthes%20cordata%20&ved=0ahUKEwjLsbShoqTeAhWMPI8KHR7LDXcQMwhNKBAwEA&iact=mrc&uact=8

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 9:25 PM Susanne Renner <ren...@lmu.de> wrote:

Dear Saroj Kasaju,

 That you be great!  Botanist, such as you and I, can easily make duplicates, some for sending to foreign experts, but most for deposition in Indian herbaria.

Best regards,

Susanne Renner

[Ushadi Micromini]

Caution is because Herbaria specimen are also a source of Genetic material

 often when needing the specimen,  its considered for knowledge, world's inheritance

and then when it turns out to be of economic importance, 

its patented and considered  western property that India has to  pay thru the nose for

thats why the caution 

like crossing the railway-line or  a busy street, caution is always good, be it Occident or Orient.

usha di

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepi...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to indian...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

--

Usha di
===========

[Saroj Kasaju]

I do not know her and I did not find 

any mail sent to her requesting for ID.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 6:06 PM Ushadi Micromini <micromi...@gmail.com> wrote:

saroj ji

she did not initiate a query

she was responding to some messga read it carefully

i quote

"

JM Garg

10/28/17

Thanks a lot, Susanne ji.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Susanne Renner 
Date: 28 October 2017 at 12:50
Subject: Re: SK774 06 OCT-2017:ID
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>

Dear Colleagues,

 Yes, it is a Trichosanthes, but I would need to see a dried specimen to decide on the species.

It is very easy to dried a few leaves and flowers between newspaper and send them to me for identification.  There is nothing that prohibits the exchange of material among international herbaria.  I just wished my Indian colleagues would understand that. The only thing that will document (and thereby protect) the Indian flora for the future is specimens in herbaria, not photos.

I am the Director of the Munich herbaria (M & MSB) -- see http://www.bsm.mwn.de/

Best regards,

Susanne

- show quoted text -

<DSC_0425.JPG><DSC_0428.JPG><DSC_0433.JPG><DSC_0436.JPG><DSC_0437.JPG><DSC_0439.JPG><DSC_0441.JPG><DSC_0443.JPG>

-- 

With regards,
J.M.Garg

"

end quote

=====

On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 9:31 AM Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com> wrote:

She initiated querry.

Please see all preceding mails.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 at 9:26 am, Ushadi Micromini <micromi...@gmail.com> wrote:

private message

did either of you send this case to Susanne renner?

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 7:31 PM Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com> wrote:

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepi...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to indian...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

--

Usha di
===========

--

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

--

Usha di
===========

[J.M. Garg]

Does any of the images shows matching bracts? 

[J.M. Garg]

Looks different.

With regards,
J.M.Garg

For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group (largest in the world- more than 2975 members & 3,00,000 messages on 25.7.18) or Efloraofindia website (with a species database of more than 12,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which 1,00,000 are directly displayed).

[Saroj Kasaju]

Trichosanthes cordata Roxb. ??

Trichosanthes cordata Roxb. ??

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[J.M. Garg]

I also think matches with specimen of Trichosanthes cordata Roxb. at GBIF as below:

https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fmediaphoto.mnhn.fr%2Fmedia%2F1441441870819soFWla4iPAP5YCZA

https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fmedialib.naturalis.nl%2Ffile%2Fid%2FL.2988277%2Fformat%2Flarge

https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fmedialib.naturalis.nl%2Ffile%2Fid%2FL.2988276%2Fformat%2Flarge

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2017 at 21:06
Subject: SK774 06 OCT-2017:ID
To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>

--

With regards,
J.M.Garg

'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna'

Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia. 

For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group (largest in the world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or Efloraofindia website (with a species database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more than 2,00,000 images are directly displayed on 30.8.19).