Waldheimia vestita (Hook. f. et Thoms. ex C. B. Clarke) Pamp.

[Saroj Kasaju]

Dear Members,

Sharing some pictures I guess is Waldheimia vestita (Hook. f. et Thoms. ex C. B. Clarke) Pamp. shot pn the way to Khardung La  Leh on 22 August 2014 at around 14000 ft.

Or could it be  Waldheimia nivea (Hook.f. & Thomson ex C.B.Clarke) Regel

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[Gurcharan Singh]

Leaves do suggest W. vestita.

Dr. Gurcharan Singh

Retired  Associate Professor
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[Saroj Kasaju]

Dear Dr. Singh,

I guessed so.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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[Saroj Kasaju]

These too Waldheimia vestita ?

On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 2:36 PM, Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Tabish,

Sending pics.  Hope you got the text.

Thank you.

saroj Kasaju

On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 2:23 PM, Flowers of India <flowers...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Saroj,

   This mail does not have any images attached. Even some previous mail, forwarded from efloraofindia discussion, did not have images attached. Do send the mails again with images. I will be able to look at them only after a while, with many updates in the queue.

   Best wishes

   Tabish

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On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 1:29 PM, Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Tabish,

Forwarding for inclusion in the FoI.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[Gurcharan Singh]

Your last two in the set of 4 look W. glabra to me.

Dr. Gurcharan Singh

Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089

http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ 
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/

[Tabish]

I agree with Gurcharan ji's view on the two photographs, in the set of four, which show bright green leaves.

   Tabish

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[Saroj Kasaju]

What about the additional  2 pics?

[chrischa...@btinternet.com]

Dr Singh is correct that images 1020 and 1021 (the 3rd & 4th) are of a different species to the first two.  I currently do not know how to tell W.vestita and W.nivea apart. Can anyone tell me what characteristics they use?  I thought I was clear about W.glabra and W.tomentosa but have seen specimens in Ladakh (and Lahoul) which I am uncertain about.  There are photos in 'Flowers of the Himalaya' of W.glabra, W.tomentosa and W.stoliczkai  whilst W.nivea is illustrated in the Supplement but no mention of W.vestita.  The author incorrectly state there were only 3 species of this genus in the Himalaya.

Dickore & Klimes list 5 species of Waldheimia from Ladakh incl. W.huegelii, which is new to me.  They use the name W.tridactylites for what we are familiar with

as W.glabra.  Dvorsky has images of W.nivea and W.vestita.  at: http://www.butbn.cas.cz/ladakh/fotky/flora/ornamental_eng.html Comparing with these shots, images 0216a and 0218a shot on the way to the Khardung La appear to be Waldheimia nivea - which is what I thought initially.

Stewart thought that W.stoliczkai might only be a glabrous form of W.tomentosa, as he had found glabrescent plants among a typical population of W.tomentosa.  Stewart recorded W.nivea from Khardung La & Chortren Chen with altitudinal range of 3600-5600m; he records W.vestita at 5250m at Chortren Chen with an altitudinal range 4200-5200m.

I shall be looking into this further but would welcome input from others.   Just for good luck,I see that 'The Plant List' has both W.glabra and W.tridactlites as accepted names!   W.huegelii is an accepted name - published as a new record for India by  Pusalkar, P.K. & Singh, D.K. 2004.  Perhaps the authors belong to this group and can tell us how this species is distinguished from other Waldheimas, perhaps having images to post to help the process and recognition in the future?

[Gurcharan Singh]

I think the differences listed in Flora of Brirish India are nicely illustrated by to images one above another in "The Most Beautiful Flowers of Ladakh" by M. Dvorsky at http://www.butbn.cas.cz/ladakh/fotky/flora/ornamental_eng.html

Hooker lists under Allardia

1. A. vestita: leaves 3-5 fid, 12-20 mm long, capitula on distinct peduncles, 20-25 mm across, pappus 6 mm long (needs confirmation)

2. A. nivea: leaves 3-fid, not more than 6 mm long, capitula sessile to subsessile, heads 12-19 mm across, pappus 4 mm long

Both leaves and heads are clearly visible in two adjacent photographs on the website.

A. glabra is easily separated by its glabrous (or sparsely woolly) leaves, 3-fid, 12-20 mm long, sessile larger heads 25-40 mm across, pappus 8 mm long.

A. tomentosa is very distinct with much larger (4-8 cm long) 1-2 pinnatifid leaves and peduncled much larger heads 5-8 cm across

Of the 4 above images above 3 and 4 belong to W. glabra while 1 and 2 fit with W. vestita. 

Dr. Gurcharan Singh

Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089

http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ 
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Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:252573] Re: Waldheimia vestita (Hook. f. et Thoms. ex C. B. Clarke) Pamp.

I think the differences listed in Flora of Brirish India are nicely illustrated by to images one above another in "The Most Beautiful Flowers of Ladakh" by M. Dvorsky at http://www.butbn.cas.cz/ladakh/fotky/flora/ornamental_eng.html

Hooker lists under Allardia

1. A. vestita: leaves 3-5 fid, 12-20 mm long, capitula on distinct peduncles, 20-25 mm across, pappus 6 mm long (needs confirmation)

2. A. nivea: leaves 3-fid, not more than 6 mm long, capitula sessile to subsessile, heads 12-19 mm across, pappus 4 mm long

Both leaves and heads are clearly visible in two adjacent photographs on the website.

A. glabra is easily separated by its glabrous (or sparsely woolly) leaves, 3-fid, 12-20 mm long, sessile larger heads 25-40 mm across, pappus 8 mm long.

A. tomentosa is very distinct with much larger (4-8 cm long) 1-2 pinnatifid leaves and peduncled much larger heads 5-8 cm across

Of the 4 above images above 3 and 4 belong to W. glabra while 1 and 2 fit with W. vestita. 

Dr. Gurcharan Singh

Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089

http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ 
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 10:24 AM, chrischadwell261@btinternet.com <chrischadwell261@btinternet.com> wrote:

Dr Singh is correct that images 1020 and 1021 (the 3rd & 4th) are of a different species to the first two.  I currently do not know how to tell W.vestita and W.nivea apart. Can anyone tell me what characteristics they use?  I thought I was clear about W.glabra and W.tomentosa but have seen specimens in Ladakh (and Lahoul) which I am uncertain about.  There are photos in 'Flowers of the Himalaya' of W.glabra, W.tomentosa and W.stoliczkai  whilst W.nivea is illustrated in the Supplement but no mention of W.vestita.  The author incorrectly state there were only 3 species of this genus in the Himalaya.

Dickore & Klimes list 5 species of Waldheimia from Ladakh incl. W.huegelii, which is new to me.  They use the name W.tridactylites for what we are familiar with

as W.glabra.  Dvorsky has images of W.nivea and W.vestita.  at: http://www.butbn.cas.cz/ladakh/fotky/flora/ornamental_eng.html Comparing with these shots, images 0216a and 0218a shot on the way to the Khardung La appear to be Waldheimia nivea - which is what I thought initially.

Stewart thought that W.stoliczkai might only be a glabrous form of W.tomentosa, as he had found glabrescent plants among a typical population of W.tomentosa.  Stewart recorded W.nivea from Khardung La & Chortren Chen with altitudinal range of 3600-5600m; he records W.vestita at 5250m at Chortren Chen with an altitudinal range 4200-5200m.

I shall be looking into this further but would welcome input from others.   Just for good luck,I see that 'The Plant List' has both W.glabra and W.tridactlites as accepted names!   W.huegelii is an accepted name - published as a new record for India by  Pusalkar, P.K. & Singh, D.K. 2004.  Perhaps the authors belong to this group and can tell us how this species is distinguished from other Waldheimas, perhaps having images to post to help the process and recognition in the future?

On Wednesday, 28 September 2016 15:33:01 UTC+1, Saroj Kumar Kasaju wrote:

Dear Members,

Sharing some pictures I guess is Waldheimia vestita (Hook. f. et Thoms. ex C. B. Clarke) Pamp. shot pn the way to Khardung La  Leh on 22 August 2014 at around 14000 ft.

Or could it be  Waldheimia nivea (Hook.f. & Thomson ex C.B.Clarke) Regel

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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[Gurcharan Singh]

Thanks dear Chadwell for prompting me to update my information

Yes in FBI W. glabra and W. tridactylites were kept under same taxon, but now considered distinct

In fact all three W. stoliczkae,  W. glabra and W. tridactylites have glabrous leaves. Former is distinct by its pinnately parted leaves, ligulate florets fertile with normal pappus, achenes 6-8 ribbed. of the latter two W. tridactylites has wholly glabrous plants, achenes not ribbed, sparsely papillate, pappus bristles 5-6 mm long, in W. glabra base of capitulum and sometimes peduncle are sparsely tomentose, achenesnot ribbed, glabrous and bristles 4 mm long. 

Even Flora of USSR mentions about close similarity of W. stoliczkae and W. tomentosa former differing in complete absence of tomentose pubescence but concludes "The incomplete overlap of their ranges and absence of "intermediate" forms, nevertheless, provide a basis for retaining W. stoliczkae as a separate species" 

Perhaps this key from http://www.pakbs.org/pjbot/PDFs/41(2)/PJB41(2)555.pdf      help further

1 + Cypselas non-ribbed ……………………………………………………………….. 2 

- Cypselas 6-8 ribbed ………………………………………………………………... 3

2 + Cypselas glabrous. Pappus bristles 4.mm long …………………… A. glabra

- Cypselas sparsely papillate. Pappus bristles 5-6 mm long ………….. A. tridactyliles

3 + Cypselas papillate ………………………………………………………A. nivea

- Cypselas glabrous …………………………………………………………………. 4

4 + Carpopodium broad circular disc like, 355µm in diameter ………  A. stoliczkae

- Carpopodium narrow angular ring like, 545µm in diameter …………. A. tomentosa

Waiting to learn more from you.

Dr. Gurcharan Singh

Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089

http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ 
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 10:24 AM, chrischa...@btinternet.com <chrischadwell261@btinternet.com> wrote:

Dr Singh is correct that images 1020 and 1021 (the 3rd & 4th) are of a different species to the first two.  I currently do not know how to tell W.vestita and W.nivea apart. Can anyone tell me what characteristics they use?  I thought I was clear about W.glabra and W.tomentosa but have seen specimens in Ladakh (and Lahoul) which I am uncertain about.  There are photos in 'Flowers of the Himalaya' of W.glabra, W.tomentosa and W.stoliczkai  whilst W.nivea is illustrated in the Supplement but no mention of W.vestita.  The author incorrectly state there were only 3 species of this genus in the Himalaya.

Dickore & Klimes list 5 species of Waldheimia from Ladakh incl. W.huegelii, which is new to me.  They use the name W.tridactylites for what we are familiar with

as W.glabra.  Dvorsky has images of W.nivea and W.vestita.  at: http://www.butbn.cas.cz/ladakh/fotky/flora/ornamental_eng.html Comparing with these shots, images 0216a and 0218a shot on the way to the Khardung La appear to be Waldheimia nivea - which is what I thought initially.

Stewart thought that W.stoliczkai might only be a glabrous form of W.tomentosa, as he had found glabrescent plants among a typical population of W.tomentosa.  Stewart recorded W.nivea from Khardung La & Chortren Chen with altitudinal range of 3600-5600m; he records W.vestita at 5250m at Chortren Chen with an altitudinal range 4200-5200m.

I shall be looking into this further but would welcome input from others.   Just for good luck,I see that 'The Plant List' has both W.glabra and W.tridactlites as accepted names!   W.huegelii is an accepted name - published as a new record for India by  Pusalkar, P.K. & Singh, D.K. 2004.  Perhaps the authors belong to this group and can tell us how this species is distinguished from other Waldheimas, perhaps having images to post to help the process and recognition in the future?

On Wednesday, 28 September 2016 15:33:01 UTC+1, Saroj Kumar Kasaju wrote:

Dear Members,

Sharing some pictures I guess is Waldheimia vestita (Hook. f. et Thoms. ex C. B. Clarke) Pamp. shot pn the way to Khardung La  Leh on 22 August 2014 at around 14000 ft.

Or could it be  Waldheimia nivea (Hook.f. & Thomson ex C.B.Clarke) Regel

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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[chrischa...@btinternet.com]

This is helpful, Dr Singh but of course, unless one has a good quality pressed specimen to examine closely, most of these characteristics do not help

us with only general photos, not in close-up.

May I request that during future travels, those taking a serious interest, take a ruler with them and for at least some shots, lay this down beside the specimen to

aid a sense of scale and dimensions.  This one can easily do with low-growing plants especially those in Ladakh, which often grown as isolated individual clumps.

It is harder amongst thick vegetation and for taller subjects.   High quality close-ups of the flower-heads would also be useful.   Once one gets into the routine of doing this, it does not take up much time and with today's digital cameras it costs nothing - though one must crawl around on the ground to achieve this.  Also, today's digital cameras often mean that a tripod is often no longer essential for macro close-ups.

Mind you, for Waldheimias, which mostly grow at high altitude, it can be exhausting physically and mentally to work methodically.  I recollect some 25 years ago on

Baralacha La (between Lahoul & Rupshu district of Ladakh) having reached 4800m with the aid of a jeep, I started photographing plants with my camera using slide film.  The light conditions were so bright, I knew that this would confuse the in-camera light metering system leading to badly exposed slides, so I needed to "bracket" the exposure (i.e. adjust to allow for this) yet I could not make myself do it!   I am dedicated but my head was 'light'.  Mountaineers, faced with much higher altitudes (albeit, they ascend more steadily, on foot, so can adjust better) can easily make mistakes due to lack of oxygen.  But I hope those able to access these high passes and photograph with wonderful species found amongst them, can see the value of trying to secure additional, close-up images for us to both admire (and wish we could have been there ourselves) and to aid the studying of India's high Himalaya and borderlands of Tibet.

On Wednesday, 28 September 2016 15:33:01 UTC+1, Saroj Kumar Kasaju wrote:

[chrischa...@btinternet.com]

Forgot to say, still need help about Waldheimia huegelii - a description please and how to distinguish it from other Waldheimia species in Ladakh (and

elsewhere)?

On Wednesday, 28 September 2016 15:33:01 UTC+1, Saroj Kumar Kasaju wrote:

[Gurcharan Singh]

Ladakh was my dreamland, having visited (but only collected herbarium specimens as film photography was a luxury then) the place between 1970 to 1975 during my Ph.D days. I desperately wanted to visit the place again during last three four years but could not because of lack of company + my age now 71 + my heart on pacemaker. I wanted to click those plants with my camera, but still waiting. Any way I am in California till January, 2017. 

Dr. Gurcharan Singh

Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089

http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ 
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Thanks, Singh ji.

Still you are doing a wonderful job.

I think Chadwell ji must also be also in your company.

On 4 October 2016 at 21:03, Gurcharan Singh <sing...@gmail.com> wrote:

Ladakh was my dreamland, having visited (but only collected herbarium specimens as film photography was a luxury then) the place between 1970 to 1975 during my Ph.D days. I desperately wanted to visit the place again during last three four years but could not because of lack of company + my age now 71 + my heart on pacemaker. I wanted to click those plants with my camera, but still waiting. Any way I am in California till January, 2017. 

Dr. Gurcharan Singh

Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089

http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ 
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/

On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 8:20 AM, chrischadwell261@btinternet.com <chrischadwell261@btinternet.com> wrote:

Forgot to say, still need help about Waldheimia huegelii - a description please and how to distinguish it from other Waldheimia species in Ladakh (and

elsewhere)?

On Wednesday, 28 September 2016 15:33:01 UTC+1, Saroj Kumar Kasaju wrote:

Dear Members,

Sharing some pictures I guess is Waldheimia vestita (Hook. f. et Thoms. ex C. B. Clarke) Pamp. shot pn the way to Khardung La  Leh on 22 August 2014 at around 14000 ft.

Or could it be  Waldheimia nivea (Hook.f. & Thomson ex C.B.Clarke) Regel

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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[C CHADWELL]

Thanks for information from Hooker, which whilst helpful and some of the content may still hold true,

we must always remember that FBI is very much out-of-date and whilst Hooker and the other

contributors did a remarkable job in the 19th century with strictly limited material and often scrappy, poorly

collected specimens (many early collectors were not professional botanists) frequently with no field notes,

not all the content can be relied upon.  An important starting point and not to be neglected/forgotten but only that.

Similarly, Collet's 'Flora Simlensis' is out-of-date and contain a number of errors.  Of course all printed 'floras' are

to an extent, out-of-date as soon as they are printed.

Sorry but if one accepts the key (based on Hooker) then the images are of Waldheimia nivea not

W.vestitata having more or less sessile flower-heads cf. the peduncled ones of W.vestita.

I have recently come across even better images than the single one by our member you refer to,

see the excellent photos of Jindrich Houska: http://botany.cz/en/waldheimia-nivea/ which have

been named as W.nivea.  So informative to have several images, showing habitat, habit and close-ups

of flowers and foliage (though ideally even closer shots of petals, sepals, undersides of leaves, help

provide further evidence).  And one has to be mindful when photographing at 4000m or especially 5000m

or so, it can be exhausting to work methodically.   We need more people getting into the high mountains

photographing its extraordinary flora.

From the images I have seen this past year, it seems W.nivea is much the commoner of the two species

including being on the Khardung La, now reachable for a day excursion by vehicle from Leh.

I must get to examine some herbarium specimens of W.vestita close up.

Incidentally, neither W.vestita nor W.nivea are mentioned in 'Flora of Lahaul-Spiti' but this does not mean neither species

occurs there, more likely that there are no specimens in the herbaria they inspected and they did not spend much time on

the high passes were these tend to be found. 

As W.nivea is found at such altitudes in Nepal, it is likely that this and perhaps W.vestita occur in Lahoul and or Spiti.

Best Wishes,

Chris Chadwell

81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
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Sent: Friday, 30 September 2016, 23:10

Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:252573] Re: Waldheimia vestita (Hook. f. et Thoms. ex C. B. Clarke) Pamp.

I think the differences listed in Flora of Brirish India are nicely illustrated by to images one above another in "The Most Beautiful Flowers of Ladakh" by M. Dvorsky at http://www.butbn.cas.cz/ladakh/fotky/flora/ornamental_eng.html

Hooker lists under Allardia

1. A. vestita: leaves 3-5 fid, 12-20 mm long, capitula on distinct peduncles, 20-25 mm across, pappus 6 mm long (needs confirmation)

2. A. nivea: leaves 3-fid, not more than 6 mm long, capitula sessile to subsessile, heads 12-19 mm across, pappus 4 mm long

Both leaves and heads are clearly visible in two adjacent photographs on the website.

A. glabra is easily separated by its glabrous (or sparsely woolly) leaves, 3-fid, 12-20 mm long, sessile larger heads 25-40 mm across, pappus 8 mm long.

A. tomentosa is very distinct with much larger (4-8 cm long) 1-2 pinnatifid leaves and peduncled much larger heads 5-8 cm across

Of the 4 above images above 3 and 4 belong to W. glabra while 1 and 2 fit with W. vestita. 

Dr. Gurcharan Singh

Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089

http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ 
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 10:24 AM, chrischa...@btinternet.com <chrischa...@btinternet.com> wrote:

Dr Singh is correct that images 1020 and 1021 (the 3rd & 4th) are of a different species to the first two.  I currently do not know how to tell W.vestita and W.nivea apart. Can anyone tell me what characteristics they use?  I thought I was clear about W.glabra and W.tomentosa but have seen specimens in Ladakh (and Lahoul) which I am uncertain about.  There are photos in 'Flowers of the Himalaya' of W.glabra, W.tomentosa and W.stoliczkai  whilst W.nivea is illustrated in the Supplement but no mention of W.vestita.  The author incorrectly state there were only 3 species of this genus in the Himalaya.

Dickore & Klimes list 5 species of Waldheimia from Ladakh incl. W.huegelii, which is new to me.  They use the name W.tridactylites for what we are familiar with

as W.glabra.  Dvorsky has images of W.nivea and W.vestita.  at: http://www.butbn.cas.cz/ ladakh/fotky/flora/ornamental_ eng.html Comparing with these shots, images 0216a and 0218a shot on the way to the Khardung La appear to be Waldheimia nivea - which is what I thought initially.

Stewart thought that W.stoliczkai might only be a glabrous form of W.tomentosa, as he had found glabrescent plants among a typical population of W.tomentosa.  Stewart recorded W.nivea from Khardung La & Chortren Chen with altitudinal range of 3600-5600m; he records W.vestita at 5250m at Chortren Chen with an altitudinal range 4200-5200m.

I shall be looking into this further but would welcome input from others.   Just for good luck,I see that 'The Plant List' has both W.glabra and W.tridactlites as accepted names!   W.huegelii is an accepted name - published as a new record for India by  Pusalkar, P.K. & Singh, D.K. 2004.  Perhaps the authors belong to this group and can tell us how this species is distinguished from other Waldheimas, perhaps having images to post to help the process and recognition in the future?

On Wednesday, 28 September 2016 15:33:01 UTC+1, Saroj Kumar Kasaju wrote:

Dear Members,

Sharing some pictures I guess is Waldheimia vestita (Hook. f. et Thoms. ex C. B. Clarke) Pamp. shot pn the way to Khardung La  Leh on 22 August 2014 at around 14000 ft.

Or could it be  Waldheimia nivea (Hook.f. & Thomson ex C.B.Clarke) Regel

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[Saroj Kasaju]

Thank you Nidhan Sir!

Saroj Kasaju

On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 10:29 AM Nidhan Singh <nidhans...@gmail.com> wrote:

Very beautiful !!

On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 8:47 PM, Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Dr. Singh,

I guessed so.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 9:00 PM, Gurcharan Singh <sing...@gmail.com> wrote:

Leaves do suggest W. vestita.

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On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 7:32 AM, Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Members,

Sharing some pictures I guess is Waldheimia vestita (Hook. f. et Thoms. ex C. B. Clarke) Pamp. shot pn the way to Khardung La  Leh on 22 August 2014 at around 14000 ft.

Or could it be  Waldheimia nivea (Hook.f. & Thomson ex C.B.Clarke) Regel

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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