Another Phyllanthus species ABAUG2016/10

[Ashwini Bhatia]

I saw this plant yesterday and almost missed its flowers which were about 3mm across on stalks of similar lengths growing singly on leaf axils. I am not sure which species this is. Please advise.

Phyllanthus sp.

Near Mcleodganj, Dharamshala, HP

1800m approx.

03 August 2016

Thanks.

Ashwini

[J.M. Garg]

Beautiful capture, Ashwini ji.

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[Tapas Chakrabarty]

Solitary female flowers with six sepals.  Phyllanthus clarkei occurs between 1500 - 2500 m altitudes. Its stature and texture of leaves vary with altitude.  The growth is stunted and the leaves become coriaceous at higher elevations.  Kindly compare the present image with the earlier ones.

Regards.

[Gurcharan Singh]

I was thinking about Phyllanthus reticulatus

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[Ashwini Bhatia]

Thank you Tapas ji. It looked so different in habit at first glance that I did not think of it as the same species I had found a couple of days ago. But now that you point out the characteristics, it appears to be more similar. The altitude difference was about 75m or so, I am not sure if that’s enough to cause a variation.

Dr Singh has also suggested P. reticulatus which looks similar although the images on the internet show larger leaves on longer stalks. I am including two more images from the same lot if these can be of any help.

With regards,

Ashwini

The stems in the foreground belong to our plant;

On 4 Aug 2016, at 22:36, Tapas Chakrabarty <tcha...@gmail.com> wrote:

Solitary female flowers with six sepals.  Phyllanthus clarkei occurs between 1500 - 2500 m altitudes. Its stature and texture of leaves vary with altitude.  The growth is stunted and the leaves become coriaceous at higher elevations.  Kindly compare the present image with the earlier ones.

Regards.

On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 11:34 AM, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:

Beautiful capture, Ashwini ji.

On 4 August 2016 at 08:13, Ashwini Bhatia <ash...@ashwinibhatia.com> wrote:

I saw this plant yesterday and almost missed its flowers which were about 3mm across on stalks of similar lengths growing singly on leaf axils. I am not sure which species this is. Please advise.

Phyllanthus sp.

Near Mcleodganj, Dharamshala, HP

1800m approx.

03 August 2016

Thanks.

Ashwini

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[Tapas Chakrabarty]

Now you are showing the true habit of a shrub and  the male flowers with 6 sepals, 6 distinct disc glands, two stamens at the centre with the filaments united into a conspicuous column. Though not clear in the image but it appears that there are a few free stamens surrounding this central column. Then yes, this is Phyllanthus reticulatus.  Thank you Gurcharan Sir for pointing out.

Please check the fruits which will be fleshy (berries), 5 - 6-locular and indehiscent (subg. Kirganelia). This species rarely ascends up to 1800 m altitude.

Thanks and regards.

Tapas.

[Ashwini Bhatia]

Dear Tapas ji,

Thank you very much once again for taking the time to explain the characteristics. I can see three stamen surrounded by six glands. To my inexperienced eye they seem to be free but could be fused at the bottom. I am attaching a tighter crop of the same flower and another angle.

I will look out for the fruits and report. Is there anything else I could check to confirm the identification?

With regards,

Ashwini

On 5 Aug 2016, at 22:34, Tapas Chakrabarty <tcha...@gmail.com> wrote:

Now you are showing the true habit of a shrub and  the male flowers with 6 sepals, 6 distinct disc glands, two stamens at the centre with the filaments united into a conspicuous column. Though not clear in the image but it appears that there are a few free stamens surrounding this central column. Then yes, this is Phyllanthus reticulatus.  Thank you Gurcharan Sir for pointing out.

Please check the fruits which will be fleshy (berries), 5 - 6-locular and indehiscent (subg. Kirganelia). This species rarely ascends up to 1800 m altitude.

Thanks and regards.

Tapas.

On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 9:25 AM, Ashwini Bhatia <ash...@ashwinibhatia.com> wrote:

Thank you Tapas ji. It looked so different in habit at first glance that I did not think of it as the same species I had found a couple of days ago. But now that you point out the characteristics, it appears to be more similar. The altitude difference was about 75m or so, I am not sure if that’s enough to cause a variation.

Dr Singh has also suggested P. reticulatus which looks similar although the images on the internet show larger leaves on longer stalks. I am including two more images from the same lot if these can be of any help.

With regards,

Ashwini

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The stems in the foreground belong to our plant;

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[J.M. Garg]

Very nice, Ashwini ji.

[Tapas Chakrabarty]

Dear Ashwini ji,

Sorry for the late reply but I was away from Kolkata.

Here, there are three stamens surrounding the central column, which may be partially united at base.  Thus, this is Phyllanthus reticulatus.

Regards,

Tapas.

[ash...@ashwinibhatia.com]

Thank you very much Tapas Ji. 

With warm regards,

Ashwini 

On 19-Aug-2016, at 11:27 PM, Tapas Chakrabarty <tcha...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Ashwini ji,

Sorry for the late reply but I was away from Kolkata.

Here, there are three stamens surrounding the central column, which may be partially united at base.  Thus, this is Phyllanthus reticulatus.

Regards,

Tapas.

On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 10:11 AM, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:

Very nice, Ashwini ji.

On 8 August 2016 at 09:24, Ashwini Bhatia <ash...@ashwinibhatia.com> wrote:

Dear Tapas ji,

Thank you very much once again for taking the time to explain the characteristics. I can see three stamen surrounded by six glands. To my inexperienced eye they seem to be free but could be fused at the bottom. I am attaching a tighter crop of the same flower and another angle.

I will look out for the fruits and report. Is there anything else I could check to confirm the identification?

With regards,

Ashwini

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[Ashwini Bhatia]

Dear Tapas ji/ Gurcharan Singh ji,,

I found the shrub fruiting and took some photos today. There are three prominent lines on the fruit suggesting it to be 3-locular but perhaps the fainter lines will develop into deeper grooves as the fruit ripens. Please advise.

Thanks and regards,

Ashwini

[Tapas Chakrabarty]

Aswini ji,

Please take little more trouble.  Take a cross section of one fruit and let us know how many chambers are actually there.

[Ashwini Bhatia]

Thank you Tapas ji. I will do that soon and report back.

Regards,

Ashwini

On 29 Aug 2016, at 22:30, Tapas Chakrabarty <tcha...@gmail.com> wrote:

Aswini ji,

Please take little more trouble.  Take a cross section of one fruit and let us know how many chambers are actually there.

On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 8:01 PM, Ashwini Bhatia <ash...@ashwinibhatia.com> wrote:

Dear Tapas ji/ Gurcharan Singh ji,,

I found the shrub fruiting and took some photos today. There are three prominent lines on the fruit suggesting it to be 3-locular but perhaps the fainter lines will develop into deeper grooves as the fruit ripens. Please advise.

Thanks and regards,

Ashwini

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[Ashwini Bhatia]

Tapas ji, I brought two tiny fruits home but could not cut them cleanly across due ti their small size. Here is a photo of the cross-section. There appear to be six sections if I am not mistaken.

Thanks and regards,

Ashwini

[Tapas Chakrabarty]

Ashwini ji,

Thank very much for your efforts and interest.

Now we all can see a berry with five chambers in it.  Thus, this is Phyllanthus reticulatus Poir. subgenus Kirganelia.

[Ashwini Bhatia]

Thank you very much Tapas ji. I will also go and check the P. clarkei soon for fruits.

Regards,

Ashwini

On 30 Aug 2016, at 21:56, Tapas Chakrabarty <tcha...@gmail.com> wrote:

Ashwini ji,

Thank very much for your efforts and interest.

Now we all can see a berry with five chambers in it.  Thus, this is Phyllanthus reticulatus Poir. subgenus Kirganelia.

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 9:43 PM, Ashwini Bhatia <ash...@ashwinibhatia.com> wrote:

Tapas ji, I brought two tiny fruits home but could not cut them cleanly across due ti their small size. Here is a photo of the cross-section. There appear to be six sections if I am not mistaken.

Thanks and regards,

Ashwini

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[Ashwini Bhatia]

In my earlier uploads of this plant there was no hint of scale and size of the individual flowers and the fruit. I am posting some additional photos here to correct that.

Thanks.

Ashwini

Female flower above the male;

Male flower;

Female flowers;

[Ushadi Micromini]

Ashwini:
superb

shadow-less white background

love it

this is what book editors love

time for you to think of making such a collection of photographs for your

neck of the woods flora book

I am serious

even the enlargements ( i surmise not true macro shots) are also nice.

imagine what a true macro (long one ) in your hands would do

usha di

Usha di
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[Tapas Chakrabarty]

I wanted to say something - but not necessary now after seeing comments by Usha di.

[Ashwini Bhatia]

Dear Ushadi,

Thanks. I have had an old manual-fous half-size macro since last year (given by a friend) which I now use almost exclusively for my flora work. It is a great lens when I can focus correctly. Many of the closeups in this thread are taken on a low-res digital microscope which is good for showing details but may not be good for printing.

I do harbour thoughts of compiling a flora of my immediate area. This summer I produced two illustrated catalogues (one on trees and another on wild flowers) of a residential school campus nearby and gifted the copies to its library. I counted and included about 130 wild flowers and more than a dozen wild trees on the campus with detailed photos and text. I plan to produce something similar for Dharamshala. Thanks mostly to this group, I have now about 275 species photographed and identified (around ten still not certain) from the upper areas. I hope to interest a publisher one day.

The white background is to show details otherwise hidden in the field. What I like most are the photos taken in the open. A good mix of the two illustrates different characteristics of the plants well.

I am going hiking tomorrow trying to go beyond 3000m to explore the slopes for wild plants. Hope fully I will have some new plants to share.

Many thanks for your encouragement.

Ashwini

On 2 Sep 2016, at 01:33, Ushadi Micromini <micromi...@gmail.com> wrote:

Ashwini:
superb

shadow-less white background

love it

this is what book editors love

time for you to think of making such a collection of photographs for your

neck of the woods flora book

I am serious

even the enlargements ( i surmise not true macro shots) are also nice.

imagine what a true macro (long one ) in your hands would do

usha di

On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 9:56 PM, Ashwini Bhatia <ash...@ashwinibhatia.com> wrote:

In my earlier uploads of this plant there was no hint of scale and size of the individual flowers and the fruit. I am posting some additional photos here to correct that.

Thanks.

Ashwini

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Female flower above the male;

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Male flower;

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Female flowers;

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Ashwini ji, for these efforts.

I have no doubt that you will do better than what Pradip Krishan has done with Trees of Delhi.

[Tapas Chakrabarty]

When we started working, it was Ashai Pentax camera or cheaper Russian camera, Yashica. Color photography was expensive.

[Ashwini Bhatia]

Thank you Tapas ji. I remember those days too. Pentax K1000 was my first camera before I moved on to Nikon FM10 and then FM2. Now the life is made much easier by digital cameras and the internet. 

Regards,

Ashwini

[Ashwini Bhatia]

You are too generous in your praise Mr Garg. Pradip Krishen’s Trees of Delhi and Trees of Central India are the gold standards of illustrated flora books.

Many thanks for your encouragement though.

Ashwini

[Ushadi Micromini]

Tapasda

please tell us what did you want to say?

please dont stop because of my writing

your writing would be your writings

your thoughts

unique to you

if you dont type out your thoughts we are all the poorere for it

please tell us

usha di

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Usha di
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[Ushadi Micromini]

Ashwini

whats a half size macro?

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Usha di
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