SK612 03 JUL-2017:ID

[Saroj Kasaju]

Dear Members,

Location: Soureni, Mirik, India

Date: 18 May 2017

Altitude: 4500 ft. 

Impatiens ... ??

Saroj Kasaju

[J.M. Garg]

Beautiful images.
Pl. Also check comparative images in efi site.

[Wojciech Adamowski]

This one looks like I. jurpia or something close.

See recent paper by Akiyama and Ohba https://www.kahaku.go.jp/research/publication/botany/download/41_4/BNMNS_B41-4_161.pdf

Authors don't describe lower side of leaf as purple, but they were working mainly with herbarium specimens. 

Best regards            Wojciech

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Wojciech ji.

[Saroj Kasaju]

Thank you Mr. Adamowski. I guess it is matching .

Shall I wait for further verification ?

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[Saroj Kasaju]

Impatiens jurpia Buch.-Ham.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 10:34 PM, Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Mr. Garg,

Should we refer to Dr. Gogoi ?

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 9:18 PM, Wojciech Adamowski <kruszc...@yahoo.com> wrote:

It could take loooooong time, as all what I know is from literature and pictures found via internet...

However, Dr. Rajib Gogoi will be doing revision of balsams of Sikkim and West Bengal in next three years.

I suppose he will be interested in pictures of Impatiens from this area.

Best regards             Wojciech

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Saroj ji. 

[Tabish]

I don't thing it Impatiens jurpia as in that species, the "hump" on the dorsal petal is 7-11 mm, as shown in the figure attached. Also the the spur (the tail) is quite curved in I. jurpia.

It looks closer to the related species Impatiens cathcartii, which is found in Darjeeling and Sikkim regions. The spur of Impatiens cathcartii is only weakly curved, and the "hump" is 1-5 mm long. Also Saroj's flower visually looks closer to that in Fig. 1G.

   Tabish

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[Saroj Kasaju]

Can anyone help ??

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[Tabish]

Actually it doesn't agree with Impatiens cathcartii too.  Impatiens cathcartii has noticeably large lateral sepals, the ones on top. But from the side-view of your flower, the lateral sepals are very small.

  Tabish

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Wojciech ji. 

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Wojciech Adamowski" <kruszc...@yahoo.com>
Date: 06-Jul-2017 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: Fwd: Fwd: SK612 03 JUL-2017:ID
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>
Cc:

I know this paper by Grey-Wilson. 

Grey-Wilson C. 1989. The Impatiens jurpia complex. Studies in Balsaminaceae: 10. Kew Bull. 44,1: 115-122.

However, recently Akiyama revised this group of balsams and I follow her opinion.

Akiyama S., Ohba H. 2015. Studies of Impatiens (Balsaminaceae) of Nepal 2. Impatiens jurpia, I. urticifolia, and Allied Species. Bull. Natl. Mus. Nat. Sci., Ser. B, 41,4: 161–178.

Besides Saroj's ji plants lacks big lateral sepals - see picture in Grey-Wilson's paper and compare with photographs.

I will ask Rajib Gogoi for opinion.

Best regards             Wojciech 

--

With regards,
J.M.Garg

'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna'

Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia. 

For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group (largest in the world- around 2800 members & 2,65,000 messages on 31.3.17) or Efloraofindia website (with a species database of more than 12,000 species & 2,50,000 images).

The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as per Creative Commons license attached with each image.

Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of India'.

[Tabish]

Yes, the spur shown in the figure in Akiyama & Ohba (which I have attached) agrees well with Saroj's flower. Interestingly, it is different from that in the figure in Grey-Wilson, which I had attached in my earlier response. 
However the prominently jutting forward "hump" on the dorsal petal, characteristic of I. jurpia, is missing in Saroj's flower. I hope this small hump is within the variations in the species.

    Tabish

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www.flowersofindia.net
The waterhole of flower lovers

On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 8:39 AM, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks, Wojciech ji. 

[Saroj Kasaju]

Dear Mr. Garg,

Any responce from Dr. Gogoi ?

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[Wojciech Adamowski]

Dr. Rajib Gogoi is just going to Sikkim for field trip, so he will be out of commision for at least three weeks.

Best regards             Wojciech

17:51 wtorek, 2017-8-22, Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com> napisał(a):

Dear Mr. Garg,

Any responce from Dr. Gogoi ?

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Tabish <tab...@gmail.com> wrote:

Yes, the spur shown in the figure in Akiyama & Ohba (which I have attached) agrees well with Saroj's flower. Interestingly, it is different from that in the figure in Grey-Wilson, which I had attached in my earlier response. 
However the prominently jutting forward "hump" on the dorsal petal, characteristic of I. jurpia, is missing in Saroj's flower. I hope this small hump is within the variations in the species.

    Tabish

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www.flowersofindia.net
The waterhole of flower lovers

[J.M. Garg]

Not since past around 50 days. 

[Saroj Kasaju]

Thank you.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[Saroj Kasaju]

Thank you Dr. Gogoi !

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 3:13 PM, Rajib Gogoi <raji...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

The images looks like I. cathcarthii

Rajib Gogoi

On Thursday 19 October 2017, 10:05:33 PM IST, Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com> wrote:

Need your help again !

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 10:18 PM
To: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>, "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>

Dear Members,

Location: Soureni, Mirik, India

Date: 18 May 2017

Altitude: 4500 ft. 

Impatiens ... ??

Saroj Kasaju

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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 7:54 AM
To: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>
Cc: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>

Beautiful images.
Pl. Also check comparative images in efi site.

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From: Wojciech Adamowski <kruszc...@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 7:41 PM
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>, efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>
Cc: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>

This one looks like I. jurpia or something close.

See recent paper by Akiyama and Ohba https://www.kahaku.go.jp/ research/publication/botany/ download/41_4/BNMNS_B41-4_161. pdf

Authors don't describe lower side of leaf as purple, but they were working mainly with herbarium specimens. 

Best regards            Wojciech

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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 7:43 PM
To: Wojciech Adamowski <kruszc...@yahoo.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>, Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>

Thanks, Wojciech ji.

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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 8:35 PM
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>
Cc: Wojciech Adamowski <kruszc...@yahoo.com>, efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>

Thank you Mr. Adamowski. I guess it is matching .

Shall I wait for further verification ?

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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From: Wojciech Adamowski <kruszc...@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 9:18 PM
To: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>

From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 10:34 PM
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>

Dear Mr. Garg,

Should we refer to Dr. Gogoi ?

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 10:20 PM
To: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>, "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>, "flowers...@gmail.com" <flowers...@gmail.com>, Tabish <tab...@gmail.com>

Impatiens jurpia Buch.-Ham.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 9:54 AM
To: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>

Thanks, Saroj ji. 

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From: Tabish <tab...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 3:59 PM
To: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>, "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>, "flowers...@gmail.com" <flowers...@gmail.com>

I don't thing it Impatiens jurpia as in that species, the "hump" on the dorsal petal is 7-11 mm, as shown in the figure attached. Also the the spur (the tail) is quite curved in I. jurpia.

It looks closer to the related species Impatiens cathcartii, which is found in Darjeeling and Sikkim regions. The spur of Impatiens cathcartii is only weakly curved, and the "hump" is 1-5 mm long. Also Saroj's flower visually looks closer to that in Fig. 1G.

   Tabish

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www.flowersofindia.net
The waterhole of flower lovers

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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 9:50 PM
To: Tabish <tab...@gmail.com>, Wojciech Adamowski <kruszc...@yahoo.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>, "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>, "flowers...@gmail.com" <flowers...@gmail.com>

Can anyone help ??

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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From: Tabish <tab...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 10:12 PM
To: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Cc: Wojciech Adamowski <kruszc...@yahoo.com>, efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>, "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>, "flowers...@gmail.com" <flowers...@gmail.com>

Actually it doesn't agree with Impatiens cathcartii too.  Impatiens cathcartii has noticeably large lateral sepals, the ones on top. But from the side-view of your flower, the lateral sepals are very small.

  Tabish

------------------------------ -------------
www.flowersofindia.net
The waterhole of flower lovers

----------
From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 8:54 AM
To: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>
Cc: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>, Tabish <tab...@gmail.com>, Wojciech Adamowski <kruszc...@yahoo.com>

Thanks, Wojciech ji. 

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Wojciech Adamowski" <kruszc...@yahoo.com>
Date: 06-Jul-2017 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: Fwd: Fwd: SK612 03 JUL-2017:ID
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>
Cc:

I know this paper by Grey-Wilson. 

Grey-Wilson C. 1989. The Impatiens jurpia complex. Studies in Balsaminaceae: 10. Kew Bull. 44,1: 115-122.

However, recently Akiyama revised this group of balsams and I follow her opinion.

Akiyama S., Ohba H. 2015. Studies of Impatiens (Balsaminaceae) of Nepal 2. Impatiens jurpia, I. urticifolia, and Allied Species. Bull. Natl. Mus. Nat. Sci., Ser. B, 41,4: 161–178.

Besides Saroj's ji plants lacks big lateral sepals - see picture in Grey-Wilson's paper and compare with photographs.

I will ask Rajib Gogoi for opinion.

Best regards             Wojciech 

13:18 czwartek, 2017-7-6, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> napisał(a):

--

With regards,
J.M.Garg

'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna'

Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia. 

For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group (largest in the world- around 2800 members & 2,65,000 messages on 31.3.17) or Efloraofindia website (with a species database of more than 12,000 species & 2,50,000 images).

The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as per Creative Commons license attached with each image.

Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of India'.

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From: Tabish <tab...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 11:32 AM
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>, Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>, Wojciech Adamowski <kruszc...@yahoo.com>

Yes, the spur shown in the figure in Akiyama & Ohba (which I have attached) agrees well with Saroj's flower. Interestingly, it is different from that in the figure in Grey-Wilson, which I had attached in my earlier response. 
However the prominently jutting forward "hump" on the dorsal petal, characteristic of I. jurpia, is missing in Saroj's flower. I hope this small hump is within the variations in the species.

    Tabish

------------------------------ -------------
www.flowersofindia.net
The waterhole of flower lovers

----------
From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 9:10 PM
To: "flowers...@gmail.com" <flowers...@gmail.com>, Tabish <tab...@gmail.com>

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

Forwarded conversation

Subject: SK612 03 JUL-2017:ID

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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 10:18 PM
To: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups. com>, "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>

Dear Members,

Location: Soureni, Mirik, India

Date: 18 May 2017

Altitude: 4500 ft. 

Impatiens ... ??

Saroj Kasaju

----------
From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 7:54 AM
To: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups. com>
Cc: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>

Beautiful images.
Pl. Also check comparative images in efi site.

----------

From: Wojciech Adamowski <kruszc...@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 7:41 PM
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>, efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups. com>
Cc: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>

This one looks like I. jurpia or something close.

See recent paper by Akiyama and Ohba https://www.kahaku.go.jp/ research/publication/botany/do wnload/41_4/BNMNS_B41-4_161.pd f

Authors don't describe lower side of leaf as purple, but they were working mainly with herbarium specimens. 

Best regards            Wojciech

----------
From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 7:43 PM
To: Wojciech Adamowski <kruszc...@yahoo.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups. com>, Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>

Thanks, Wojciech ji.

----------
From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 8:35 PM
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>
Cc: Wojciech Adamowski <kruszc...@yahoo.com>, efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups. com>

Thank you Mr. Adamowski. I guess it is matching .

Shall I wait for further verification ?

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

----------
From: Wojciech Adamowski <kruszc...@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 9:18 PM
To: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>

From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 10:34 PM
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>

Dear Mr. Garg,

Should we refer to Dr. Gogoi ?

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

----------
From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 10:20 PM
To: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups. com>, "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>, "flowers...@gmail.com" <flowers...@gmail.com>, Tabish <tab...@gmail.com>

Impatiens jurpia Buch.-Ham.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

----------
From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 9:54 AM
To: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups. com>

Thanks, Saroj ji. 

----------
From: Tabish <tab...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 3:59 PM
To: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups. com>, "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>, "flowers...@gmail.com" <flowers...@gmail.com>

I don't thing it Impatiens jurpia as in that species, the "hump" on the dorsal petal is 7-11 mm, as shown in the figure attached. Also the the spur (the tail) is quite curved in I. jurpia.

It looks closer to the related species Impatiens cathcartii, which is found in Darjeeling and Sikkim regions. The spur of Impatiens cathcartii is only weakly curved, and the "hump" is 1-5 mm long. Also Saroj's flower visually looks closer to that in Fig. 1G.

   Tabish

------------------------------ -------------
www.flowersofindia.net
The waterhole of flower lovers

----------
From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 9:50 PM
To: Tabish <tab...@gmail.com>, Wojciech Adamowski <kruszc...@yahoo.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups. com>, "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>, "flowers...@gmail.com" <flowers...@gmail.com>

Can anyone help ??

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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From: Tabish <tab...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 10:12 PM
To: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Cc: Wojciech Adamowski <kruszc...@yahoo.com>, efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups. com>, "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>, "flowers...@gmail.com" <flowers...@gmail.com>

Actually it doesn't agree with Impatiens cathcartii too.  Impatiens cathcartii has noticeably large lateral sepals, the ones on top. But from the side-view of your flower, the lateral sepals are very small.

  Tabish

------------------------------ -------------
www.flowersofindia.net
The waterhole of flower lovers

----------
From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 8:54 AM
To: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups. com>
Cc: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>, Tabish <tab...@gmail.com>, Wojciech Adamowski <kruszc...@yahoo.com>

Thanks, Wojciech ji. 

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Wojciech Adamowski" <kruszc...@yahoo.com>
Date: 06-Jul-2017 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: Fwd: Fwd: SK612 03 JUL-2017:ID
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>
Cc:

I know this paper by Grey-Wilson. 

Grey-Wilson C. 1989. The Impatiens jurpia complex. Studies in Balsaminaceae: 10. Kew Bull. 44,1: 115-122.

However, recently Akiyama revised this group of balsams and I follow her opinion.

Akiyama S., Ohba H. 2015. Studies of Impatiens (Balsaminaceae) of Nepal 2. Impatiens jurpia, I. urticifolia, and Allied Species. Bull. Natl. Mus. Nat. Sci., Ser. B, 41,4: 161–178.

Besides Saroj's ji plants lacks big lateral sepals - see picture in Grey-Wilson's paper and compare with photographs.

I will ask Rajib Gogoi for opinion.

Best regards             Wojciech 

13:18 czwartek, 2017-7-6, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> napisał(a):

--

With regards,
J.M.Garg

'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna'

Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia. 

For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group (largest in the world- around 2800 members & 2,65,000 messages on 31.3.17) or Efloraofindia website (with a species database of more than 12,000 species & 2,50,000 images).

The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as per Creative Commons license attached with each image.

Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of India'.

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From: Tabish <tab...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 11:32 AM
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>

Cc: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups. com>, Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>, Wojciech Adamowski <kruszc...@yahoo.com>

Yes, the spur shown in the figure in Akiyama & Ohba (which I have attached) agrees well with Saroj's flower. Interestingly, it is different from that in the figure in Grey-Wilson, which I had attached in my earlier response. 
However the prominently jutting forward "hump" on the dorsal petal, characteristic of I. jurpia, is missing in Saroj's flower. I hope this small hump is within the variations in the species.

    Tabish

------------------------------ -------------
www.flowersofindia.net
The waterhole of flower lovers

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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 9:36 PM
To: Tabish <tab...@gmail.com>
Cc: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>, efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>, Wojciech Adamowski <kruszc...@yahoo.com>

Dear Mr. Garg,

Any responce from Dr. Gogoi ?

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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From: Wojciech Adamowski <kruszc...@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 9:52 PM
To: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>, Tabish <tab...@gmail.com>
Cc: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>, efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>

Dr. Rajib Gogoi is just going to Sikkim for field trip, so he will be out of commision for at least three weeks.

Best regards             Wojciech

17:51 wtorek, 2017-8-22, Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com> napisał(a):

Dear Mr. Garg,

Any responce from Dr. Gogoi ?

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Tabish <tab...@gmail.com> wrote:

Yes, the spur shown in the figure in Akiyama & Ohba (which I have attached) agrees well with Saroj's flower. Interestingly, it is different from that in the figure in Grey-Wilson, which I had attached in my earlier response. 
However the prominently jutting forward "hump" on the dorsal petal, characteristic of I. jurpia, is missing in Saroj's flower. I hope this small hump is within the variations in the species.

    Tabish

------------------------------ -------------
www.flowersofindia.net
The waterhole of flower lovers

On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 8:39 AM, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks, Wojciech ji. 

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Wojciech Adamowski" <kruszc...@yahoo.com>
Date: 06-Jul-2017 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: Fwd: Fwd: SK612 03 JUL-2017:ID
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>
Cc:

I know this paper by Grey-Wilson. 

Grey-Wilson C. 1989. The Impatiens jurpia complex. Studies in Balsaminaceae: 10. Kew Bull. 44,1: 115-122.

However, recently Akiyama revised this group of balsams and I follow her opinion.

Akiyama S., Ohba H. 2015. Studies of Impatiens (Balsaminaceae) of Nepal 2. Impatiens jurpia, I. urticifolia, and Allied Species. Bull. Natl. Mus. Nat. Sci., Ser. B, 41,4: 161–178.

Besides Saroj's ji plants lacks big lateral sepals - see picture in Grey-Wilson's paper and compare with photographs.

I will ask Rajib Gogoi for opinion.

Best regards             Wojciech 

13:18 czwartek, 2017-7-6, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> napisał(a):

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Tabish <tab...@gmail.com>
Date: 6 July 2017 at 15:44
Subject: Re: Fwd: SK612 03 JUL-2017:ID
To: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>

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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 9:55 PM
To: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>

Not since past around 50 days. 

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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 10:08 PM
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>, Wojciech Adamowski <kruszc...@yahoo.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>

[J.M. Garg]

Impatiens cathcartii Hook.f. as per another thread.

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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: 3 July 2017 at 22:03
Subject: SK612 03 JUL-2017:ID

[ashutoshsharma11sn]

This is again something from Impatiens jurpia complex..

Can be Impatiens cathcartii...
But in last image leaves look much hairy which should be near glabrous and also there looks some differences in flower...

As Dr. Wojciech Adamowski sir have said that Impatiens jurpia is still not completely resolved and there can be possibly some undescribed forms and it has many variations also...
So we can't say with surity about this plant until I.jurpia complex is completely resolved...

Best regards
Ashutosh Sharma

[Saroj Kasaju]

Thank you Ashutosh Ji !

Saroj Kasaju

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