Lauraceae for ID Persea ?? AT MAR 2017/16

[Anil Thakur]

Kindly suggest
Is it some Persea species ??
Lauraceae
Shimla
May 2016




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[Anil Thakur]

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[J.M. Garg]

Super images,  Anil ji

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[Anil Thakur]

Thank you, Sir

[Anil Thakur]

On 3/7/17, Anil Thakur <aniltha...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Nidhan Singh]

Anil Ji, 

I have also seen this tree, in Mussoorie and in Chakrata area, the input received is a conflict between the two, Neolitsea pallens and Persia duthei...all due to the fact that I could not record flower pics on any of the occasions..!!!

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[Anil Thakur]

Dr. Nidhan Singh ji, I have photographs of fruits of Neolitsea pallens with me.  I had photographed them in 2015 & 2016.  I was was successful in clicking the plants in flowering stage this year. Here this plant flowers in February when no other tree is in flowering stage in Shimla. Even herbaceous plants are not in flowering except Viola canescens, Valerians jatamansi and Ainslea aptera. 

Regards

[Tapas Chakrabarty]

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Subject: Re: Lauraceae for ID Persea ?? AT MAR 2017/16
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Cc:

Anil ji,

I am away from Kolkata. I will inform you the ID on my return. I need slight homework for this.

Regards,

Tapas.

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks,  Anil ji and Nidhan ji

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[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

I have also seen this tree, in Mussoorie and in Chakrata area, the input received is a conflict between the two, Neolitsea pallens and Persia duthei...all due to the fact that I could not record flower pics on any of the occasions..!!! -- Regards, Dr. Nidhan Singh

Dr. Nidhan Singh ji, I have photographs of fruits of Neolitsea pallens with me.  I had photographed them in 2015 & 2016.  I was was successful in clicking the plants in flowering stage this year. Here this plant flowers in February when no other tree is in flowering stage in Shimla. Even herbaceous plants are not in flowering except Viola canescens, Valerians jatamansi and Ainslea aptera.  Regards  Anil Thakur

PL. see fruits of Persea duthiei at http://www.europeana.eu/portal/en/record/11614/_HERBARIUMSPECIMEN_RBGK_UK_K000228447.html

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[Tapas Chakrabarty]

Anil ji,

I am now in a position to comment on the images of the supposed Persea species posted by you under this thread.

Let us start with the generic identity. Well, Persea is a poorly defined genus, and especially it is difficult to distinguish it from the segregate genus Machilus.  However, we may observes the paniculate-cymose type of infructescences, 6 tepals persistent at the base of the fruits which are spreading to reflexed (a cupule is absent).  The leaves are alternate or slightly clustered, pinnately veined and glaucous on the undersurface.  These characters conform to the genus Persea Mill. as defined by Werff (in Blumea 46: 125-140. 2001).  In absence of a taxononic revision, we have to depend on the available floristic treatments. I find that the images posted by you closely match with Persea duthiei (King ex Hook.f.) Kosterm., described from your area.but your photographs are not of P. duthiei. If we consult the protologue of this species and the images of the type materials housed in the Kew herbarium (http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getHomePageResults.do?homePageSearchText=Persea+duthiei&x=10&y=10&homePageSearchOption=scientific_name&nameOfSearchPage=home_page) and particularly the image at (http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000228447) we find that the fruits are subglobose and noted to be half inch in diam. (in the protologue) and ca 10 mm in diam. (as on the type specimens).  

Then what is the identity of your plant?  The fruits in your plant are clearly ovoid-ellipsoid and probably much larger in size than in P. duthiei and I also find that the lateral nerves of leaves are fewer in number.  Hence I  feel that the present images are very interesting and need to be studied in detail.  You may please collect plenty of herbarium specimens both in flowering and fruiting and study in detail. The images are not matching with any species of Persea described so far from India and adjoining areas.

With kind regards,

Tapas.

[Anil Thakur]

Thank you, Chakrabarty Sir.

I'll ask someone from Solan area to collect specimens for me. 

I have collected some specimens of the other plant which I am desperately trying to know. I have also collected a few twigs of Neolitsea pallens from Shimla.

Regards 

Anil Thakur

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks,  Tapas ji

[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

I have also seen this tree, in Mussoorie and in Chakrata area, the input received is a conflict between the two, Neolitsea pallens and Persia duthei...all due to the fact that I could not record flower pics on any of the occasions..!!! -- Regards, Dr. Nidhan Singh

Dr. Nidhan Singh ji, I have photographs of fruits of Neolitsea pallens with me.  I had photographed them in 2015 & 2016.  I was was successful in clicking the plants in flowering stage this year. Here this plant flowers in February when no other tree is in flowering stage in Shimla. Even herbaceous plants are not in flowering except Viola canescens, Valerians jatamansi and Ainslea aptera.  Regards  Anil Thakur

PL. see fruits of Persea duthiei at http://www.europeana.eu/portal/en/record/11614/_HERBARIUMSPECIMEN_RBGK_UK_K000228447.html

Let us start with the generic identity. Well, Persea is a poorly defined genus, and especially it is difficult to distinguish it from the segregate genus Machilus.  However, we may observes the paniculate-cymose type of infructescences, 6 tepals persistent at the base of the fruits which are spreading to reflexed (a cupule is absent).  The leaves are alternate or slightly clustered, pinnately veined and glaucous on the undersurface.  These characters conform to the genus Persea Mill. as defined by Werff (in Blumea 46: 125-140. 2001).  In absence of a taxononic revision, we have to depend on the available floristic treatments. I find that the images posted by you closely match with Persea duthiei (King ex Hook.f.) Kosterm., described from your area.but your photographs are not of P. duthiei. If we consult the protologue of this species and the images of the type materials housed in the Kew herbarium (http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getHomePageResults.do?homePageSearchText=Persea+duthiei&x=10&y=10&homePageSearchOption=scientific_name&nameOfSearchPage=home_page) and particularly the image at (http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000228447) we find that the fruits are subglobose and noted to be half inch in diam. (in the protologue) and ca 10 mm in diam. (as on the type specimens).

Then what is the identity of your plant?  The fruits in your plant are clearly ovoid-ellipsoid and probably much larger in size than in P. duthiei and I also find that the lateral nerves of leaves are fewer in number.  Hence I  feel that the present images are very interesting and need to be studied in detail.  You may please collect plenty of herbarium specimens both in flowering and fruiting and study in detail. The images are not matching with any species of Persea described so far from India and adjoining areas. With kind regards, Tapas.

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[Tapas Chakrabarty]

I clearly hinted that this plant is a hitherto unrecognized species of Persea and therefore think that it should be described as a new species after thorough investigation following usual procedure.

[Anil Thakur]

Respected Chakrabarty Sir,

Can I send dried specimens to you for further action?

Regards
Dr. Anil Thakur

>> Let us start with the generic identity. Well, *Persea *is a poorly

>> defined genus, and especially it is difficult to distinguish it from the

>> segregate genus *Machilus*. However, we may observes the

>> paniculate-cymose type of infructescences, 6 tepals persistent at the
>> base
>> of the fruits which are spreading to reflexed (a cupule is absent). The
>> leaves are alternate or slightly clustered, pinnately veined and glaucous

>> on the undersurface. These characters conform to the genus *Persea
>> *Mill.

>> as defined by Werff (in Blumea 46: 125-140. 2001). In absence of a
>> taxononic revision, we have to depend on the available floristic
>> treatments. I find that the images posted by you closely match with

>> *Persea
>> duthiei *(King ex Hook.f.) Kosterm., described from your area.but your
>> photographs are not of *P. duthiei. *If we consult the protologue of this

>> species and the images of the type materials housed in the Kew herbarium
>> (
>> http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getHomePageResults.do?homePageS
>> earchText=Persea+duthiei&x=10&y=10&homePageSearchOption=scie
>> ntific_name&nameOfSearchPage=home_page) and particularly the image at (
>> http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000228447) we find
>> that the fruits are subglobose and noted to be half inch in diam. (in the
>> protologue) and ca 10 mm in diam. (as on the type specimens).
>> Then what is the identity of your plant? The fruits in your plant are

>> clearly ovoid-ellipsoid and probably much larger in size than in *P.
>> duthiei *and I also find that the lateral nerves of leaves are fewer in

>> number. Hence I feel that the present images are very interesting and
>> need to be studied in detail. You may please collect plenty of herbarium
>> specimens both in flowering and fruiting and study in detail. The images

>> are not matching with any species of *Persea *described so far from India

>> and adjoining areas.
>> With kind regards,
>> Tapas.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> From: Anil Thakur <aniltha...@gmail.com>
>> Date: 7 March 2017 at 21:41
>> Subject: [efloraofindia:265306] Lauraceae for ID Persea ?? AT MAR 2017/16
>> To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>
>> Cc: Tapas Chakrabarty <tcha...@gmail.com>
>>
>>
>> Kindly suggest
>> Is it some Persea species ??
>> Lauraceae
>> Shimla
>> May 2016
>>
>>
>>
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[Tapas Chakrabarty]

Anil ji,

You are most welcome.  Please also attach herbarium labels with the specimens so that they can be deposited in herb. CAL in due course when the studies on them are over. Please use some hard board so that the specimens are not damaged during transit.

Best regards,

Tapas.

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[Anil Thakur]

Thank you, Sir

Regards

[J.M. Garg]

Pl. also check with images at Ocotea lancifolia (Schott) Mez although I am doubtful.

[Anil Thakur]

Thank you, Garg ji

I have this plant with me. I have kept it with its old name Persea angustifolia. Thank you for familiarizing me with new name.

Regards

[Tapas Chakrabarty]

Anil ji was supposed to send me dried specimens for further studies but he changed his mind. 

Anyway my comments are still standing. 

Thank you for resurfacing .

[Anil Thakur]

Respected Dr. Tapas Sir

I have not changed my mind, but wanted to collected some more samples, for detailed studies. Secondly, our schedule is very tight (28 hours of teaching per week as against 14 hours suggested by UGC for associate professors) during July-Sept as final semester exams start in October here in H.P. I'll send, what ever I have collected,  within 3-4 days. Kindly guide me on my mail (aniltha...@gmail.com) as I have no practical training in taxonomy.

Regards.

[J.M. Garg]

Can it be Persea odoratissima as per http://manipurforestflora.co.in/specimen/view/308#prettyPhoto

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I am happy that this old post has resurfaced. I will check and inform. 

However, I may be very irregular till 15th June.

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What do you think, Anil ji

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To me appears close to images at Machilus odoratissima

Pl. validate.

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To me appears close to images at Machilus odoratissima

Pl. validate or otherwise.

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Not matching with Machilus odoratissima. Leaves size and fruits are different.
I have send these photographs to Dr. Tapas Ji also.

Regards

On 10/5/20, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>  To me appears close to images at Machilus odoratissima

> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/l/lauraceae/machilus/machilus-odoratissima>

> Pl. validate or otherwise.
>
>
>
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> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2018 at 13:02
> Subject: Fwd: [efloraofindia:265306] Lauraceae for ID Persea ?? AT MAR
> 2017/16
> To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>
> Cc: Anil Thakur <aniltha...@gmail.com>, Tapas Chakrabarty <
> tcha...@gmail.com>
>
>
> To me appears close to images at Machilus odoratissima

> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/l/lauraceae/machilus/machilus-odoratissima>

> Pl. validate.
>
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> Date: 1 June 2018 at 15:47
> Subject: Fwd: [efloraofindia:265306] Lauraceae for ID Persea ?? AT MAR
> 2017/16
> To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>
> Cc: Anil Thakur <aniltha...@gmail.com>, Nidhan Singh <
> nidhans...@gmail.com>, Tapas Chakrabarty <tcha...@gmail.com>
>
>

> Can it be *Persea odoratissima* as per

> Let us start with the generic identity. Well, *Persea *is a poorly defined

> genus, and especially it is difficult to distinguish it from the segregate

> genus *Machilus*.  However, we may observes the paniculate-cymose type of

> infructescences, 6 tepals persistent at the base of the fruits which are
> spreading to reflexed (a cupule is absent).  The leaves are alternate or
> slightly clustered, pinnately veined and glaucous on the undersurface.

> These characters conform to the genus *Persea *Mill. as defined by Werff

> (in Blumea 46: 125-140. 2001).  In absence of a taxononic revision, we have
> to depend on the available floristic treatments. I find that the images

> posted by you closely match with *Persea duthiei *(King ex Hook.f.)
> Kosterm., described from your area.but your photographs are not of *P.
> duthiei. *If we consult the protologue of this species and the images of

> the type materials housed in the Kew herbarium (
> http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getHomePageResults.do?homePageSearchText=Persea+duthiei&x=10&y=10&homePageSearchOption=scientific_name&nameOfSearchPage=home_page)
> and particularly the image at (http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/
> getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000228447) we find that the fruits are subglobose
> and noted to be half inch in diam. (in the protologue) and ca 10 mm in
> diam. (as on the type specimens).
> Then what is the identity of your plant?  The fruits in your plant are

> clearly ovoid-ellipsoid and probably much larger in size than in *P.
> duthiei *and I also find that the lateral nerves of leaves are fewer in

> number.  Hence I  feel that the present images are very interesting and
> need to be studied in detail.  You may please collect plenty of herbarium
> specimens both in flowering and fruiting and study in detail. The images

> are not matching with any species of *Persea *described so far from India

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> per Creative Commons license attached with each image.
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> India'.
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>
>
> --
> With regards,
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[J.M. Garg]

Hi, Anil ji and Tapas ji,

Could it be finally identified?

[Gurcharan Singh]

Garg ji, Anil ji and Tapas ji 

I think it is neither Persea duthei nor P. odoratissima

P. duthei is characterized by leaves with 12-20 pairs of nerves, linear-oblong sepals, spreading in fruit and globose fruits.

Persea odoratissima with coriaceous leaves having 7-13 pairs of nerves, sepals oblong, reflexed in fruit, fruit ellipsoid up to 15 mm long, 7 mm broad.

I hope my two uploads are correctly identified

Persea odoratissima from Chopta Uttarakhand-GS06112021-1 (google.com)

Persea duthei from Uttarakhand pl Validate-GS06112021-2 (google.com)

If so the above plant is different in lighter coloured leaves with few veins and ellipsoid fruits (like P. odoratissima) but spreading sepals in fruit (like P. duthei), which are, however much narrower. As Tapas ji suggests, we may have to look for some other species.

[Gurcharan Singh]

Garg ji, Anil ji and Tapas ji 

I think it is neither Persea duthei nor P. odoratissima

P. duthei is characterized by leaves with 12-20 pairs of nerves, linear-oblong sepals, spreading in fruit and globose fruits.

Persea odoratissima with coriaceous leaves having 7-13 pairs of nerves, sepals oblong, reflexed in fruit, fruit ellipsoid up to 15 mm long, 7 mm broad.

I hope my two uploads are correctly identified

Persea odoratissima from Chopta Uttarakhand-GS06112021-1 (google.com)

Persea duthei from Uttarakhand pl Validate-GS06112021-2 (google.com)

If so the above plant is different in lighter coloured leaves with few veins and ellipsoid fruits (like P. odoratissima) but spreading sepals in fruit (like P. duthei), which are, however much narrower. As Tapas ji suggests, we may have to look for some other species.

[Tapas Chakrabarty]

This is still unidentified and may be interesting. Genus Persea is restricted to South America and the Indian species belong to Machilus.

Regards,

Tapas.

[Saroj Kumar Kasaju]

Dear Anil Ji

This looks like a cultivated sp., is it ?

Thank you

Saroj Kasaju

[Anil Thakur]

Not cultivated, Sir 

Regards 

[Saroj Kasaju]

I guess it is very close to Machilus odoratissimus Nees syn : Persea odoratissima (Nees) Kosterm.

https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/439501470

Please check other images also in GBIF !

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[Saroj Kasaju]

http://www.floraofnepal.org/onlineflora?wildcard=8485 ??

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[Saroj Kasaju]

Thank you Anil!

Saroj Kasaju

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Anil Thakur <aniltha...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Feb 16, 2024 at 11:55 PM
Subject: Re: Lauraceae for ID Persea ?? AT MAR 2017/16

To: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>

Now, it seems to be correctly identified.
Regards

On Fri, Feb 16, 2024 at 11:02 AM Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com> wrote:

Any further opinion ?

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

On Fri, Feb 16, 2024 at 12:25 AM Anil Thakur <aniltha...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thank you, Saroj Ji
Regards

[J.M. Garg]

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[J.M. Garg]

I hope Tapas ji agrees with id as Machilus odoratissimus Nees syn : Persea odoratissima (Nees) Kosterm. (as suggested by Saroj ji)

https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/439501470
https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/gallery?taxon_key=7469276

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From: Anil Thakur <aniltha...@gmail.com>

Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 at 21:41

Subject: [efloraofindia:265306] Lauraceae for ID Persea ?? AT MAR 2017/16
To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>
Cc: Tapas Chakrabarty <tcha...@gmail.com>

Kindly suggest
Is it some Persea species ??
Lauraceae
Shimla
May  2016




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[Tapas Chakrabarty]

I think yes, Machilus odoratissima.

Regards,

Tapas

[Saroj Kasaju]

Thank you Taps Da !

Saroj Kasaju

[Anil Thakur]

Thank you Dr. Tapas Sir, Dr. Singh Sir, Saroj ji and Garg ji.

Regards

[Saroj Kasaju]

OK Anil ji.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju