Gori Valley Tour: Primula for identification..

[Nidhan Singh]

Dear All,

This very beautiful herb was shot from near a water source...a Primula species...shows similarity with P. vulgaris...wanted to know exact identification...you will notice the pictures without date have bluish tinge..which was not natural..only due to camera settings..actual colour is bright pink...hope to get id...

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Dr. Nidhan Singh

Assistant Professor
Department of Botany
I.B. (PG) College
Panipat-132103 Haryana
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[jmgarg1]

Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

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[jmgarg1]

A reply:

"It may be Prumula sessilis.

Krishan Lal"

[jmgarg1]

Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

"It may be Prumula sessilis. Krishan Lal"

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From: Nidhan Singh <nidhans...@gmail.com>
Date: 14 December 2012 07:56
Subject: [efloraofindia:140534] Gori Valley Tour: Primula for identification..
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[Nidhan Singh]

Dear All, 

This is again submitted for identification please..

Some earlier relevant feedback:

"It may be Primula sessilis. Krishan Lal"

[Dr Pankaj Kumar]

This is very strange... it cant be Primula sessilis as in sessilis petals will have pointed tips but here they are blunt two lobes. It looks like deformed form of Primula denticulata but thats a wild guess. I might be missing something....

Regards

Pankaj

[chrischa...@btinternet.com]

Would you be kind enough to tell me the altitudes of the TWO different species you have posted images of?  The FIRST (7 images) which you say was near a water source is clearly different fro  the SECOND (the final two images); do you possibly have any additional images of the latter.

Neither are close to Primula denticulata nor Primula vulgaris - which is not a native of the Himalaya.

Knowing the different altitudes (the habitats are clearly very different) will help my efforts to identify them.   Would you also supply approximate dates of flowering?

[J.M. Garg]

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[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

It may be Primula sessilis. Krishan Lal

This is very strange... it cant be Primula sessilis as in sessilis petals will have pointed tips but here they are blunt two lobes. It looks like deformed form of Primula denticulata but thats a wild guess. I might be missing something.... Regards Pankaj

Would you be kind enough to tell me the altitudes of the TWO different species you have posted images of?  The FIRST (7 images) which you say was near a water source is clearly different fro  the SECOND (the final two images); do you possibly have any additional images of the latter.

Neither are close to Primula denticulata nor Primula vulgaris - which is not a native of the Himalaya. Knowing the different altitudes (the habitats are clearly very different) will help my efforts to identify them.   Would you also supply approximate dates of flowering?

Chris Chadwell

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Date: 14 December 2012 at 07:56
Subject: [efloraofindia:140534] Gori Valley Tour: Primula for identification..
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[C CHADWELL]

Dear Dr Singh

My request for altitudes where the two sets of photos were taken has not been answered. 

Am I correct that the last two images are not from the same plant?

I am willing to take a further look but need some input from you to help narrow down the

options nor waste time - that would not be fair on me.

Best Wishes,

Chris Chadwell

81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK

www.shpa.org.uk

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Sent: Tuesday, 22 November 2016, 20:13
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:140534] Gori Valley Tour: Primula for identification..

Pankaj, I agree with your direction on this. The pedicels are too long for P. denticulata or P. erosa (thus your suggestion of deformed). The whole plant looks like it could belong in the Petiolares Section, but that doesn't fit with the last two detailed images showing farinose pedicels and emarginate corolla lobe shape.

I will have to think more on this, but I would welcome more suggestions.

Pam

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Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 1:00:56 AM
Subject: Fwd: [efloraofindia:140534] Gori Valley Tour: Primula for identification..

[Pankaj Kumar]

I noticed, the time on the photographs are matching for all pics, but just incase the individuals are differrent.

Thanks and regards

Pankaj

On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 4:32 AM, C CHADWELL <chrischa...@btinternet.com> wrote:

Dear Dr Singh

My request for altitudes where the two sets of photos were taken has not been answered. 

Am I correct that the last two images are not from the same plant?

I am willing to take a further look but need some input from you to help narrow down the

options nor waste time - that would not be fair on me.

Best Wishes,

Chris Chadwell

81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK

www.shpa.org.uk

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To: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>

Cc: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>; chrischadwell261@btinternet.com; Dr. Pankaj Kumar <sahani...@gmail.com>; Nidhan Singh <nidhans...@gmail.com>

Sent: Tuesday, 22 November 2016, 20:13
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:140534] Gori Valley Tour: Primula for identification..

Pankaj, I agree with your direction on this. The pedicels are too long for P. denticulata or P. erosa (thus your suggestion of deformed). The whole plant looks like it could belong in the Petiolares Section, but that doesn't fit with the last two detailed images showing farinose pedicels and emarginate corolla lobe shape.

I will have to think more on this, but I would welcome more suggestions.

Pam

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[C CHADWELL]

OK but what is the approximate altitude and what do you mean by a water source?

Can you describe the habitat please? 

Best Wishes,

Chris Chadwell

81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK

www.shpa.org.uk

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From: Pankaj Kumar <sahani...@gmail.com>
To: C CHADWELL <chrischa...@btinternet.com>
Cc: Craig & Pam Eveleigh <evel...@shaw.ca>; J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>; efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>; Nidhan Singh <nidhans...@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 23 November 2016, 1:00

Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:140534] Gori Valley Tour: Primula for identification..

I noticed, the time on the photographs are matching for all pics, but just incase the individuals are differrent.

Thanks and regards

Pankaj

On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 4:32 AM, C CHADWELL <chrischa...@btinternet.com> wrote:

Dear Dr Singh

My request for altitudes where the two sets of photos were taken has not been answered. 

Am I correct that the last two images are not from the same plant?

I am willing to take a further look but need some input from you to help narrow down the

options nor waste time - that would not be fair on me.

Best Wishes,

Chris Chadwell

81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK

www.shpa.org.uk

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From: Craig & Pam Eveleigh <evel...@shaw.ca>
To: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>

Cc: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups. com>; chrischadwell261@btinternet. com; Dr. Pankaj Kumar <sahani...@gmail.com>; Nidhan Singh <nidhans...@gmail.com>

Sent: Tuesday, 22 November 2016, 20:13
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:140534] Gori Valley Tour: Primula for identification..

Pankaj, I agree with your direction on this. The pedicels are too long for P. denticulata or P. erosa (thus your suggestion of deformed). The whole plant looks like it could belong in the Petiolares Section, but that doesn't fit with the last two detailed images showing farinose pedicels and emarginate corolla lobe shape.

I will have to think more on this, but I would welcome more suggestions.

Pam

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To: "efloraofindia" <indiantreepix@googlegroups. com>

Cc: chrischadwell261@btinternet. com, "Dr. Pankaj Kumar" <sahani...@gmail.com>, "Nidhan Singh" <nidhans...@gmail.com>

[Nidhan Singh]

I am sorry to delay the matter, I have two submissions:

1. The altitude of the place was around 1500-1800 m, and the pics do all belong to one taxon only (may be more than one individuals). The differences are due to two different cameras. The place, locality and time is same.

2. The habitat was a small seasonal stream, on exposed slope. The water just enough to keep a few meters wet and dripping.

I will be happy to know your valued opinions, thanks for all your efforts.

[C CHADWELL]

Dear Dr Singh

Thanks.  This information is a BIG help.  I shall things further.

Best Wishes,

Chris Chadwell

81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK

www.shpa.org.uk

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From: Nidhan Singh <nidhans...@gmail.com>
To: C CHADWELL <chrischa...@btinternet.com>
Cc: Pankaj Kumar <sahani...@gmail.com>; Craig & Pam Eveleigh <evel...@shaw.ca>; J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>; efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 23 November 2016, 1:51
Subject: Re: Gori Valley Tour: Primula for identification..

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Pam ji

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Date: 23 Nov 2016 1:43 am
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:140534] Gori Valley Tour: Primula for identification..
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>
Cc: "efloraofindia" <indian...@googlegroups.com>, <chrischa...@btinternet.com>, "Dr. Pankaj Kumar" <sahani...@gmail.com>, "Nidhan Singh" <nidhans...@gmail.com>

Pankaj, I agree with your direction on this. The pedicels are too long for P. denticulata or P. erosa (thus your suggestion of deformed). The whole plant looks like it could belong in the Petiolares Section, but that doesn't fit with the last two detailed images showing farinose pedicels and emarginate corolla lobe shape.

I will have to think more on this, but I would welcome more suggestions.

Pam

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From: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>
To: "efloraofindia" <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>

Cc: chrischadwell261@btinternet.com, "Dr. Pankaj Kumar" <sahani...@gmail.com>, "Nidhan Singh" <nidhans...@gmail.com>

Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 1:00:56 AM

Subject: Fwd: [efloraofindia:140534] Gori Valley Tour: Primula for identification..

[C CHADWELL]

Dear Dr Singh

This really is proving to be a mystery!   Not that many Primulas are known from Uttarakhand and none

seem to fit the plant you have photographed.  Mind you, I cannot think what it is.  Perhaps someone can forward

the images to Professor Richards for his thoughts?  Could it be something special?  Late flowering, low-

elevation, seemingly contradictory characteristics.....

I agree with the thoughts of Pam Eveleigh.   The foliage and habit of the first images suggest must be a Petiolarid yet

the last two images contradict this.  You have assured me the last two images are from the same population - though I

can be forgiven for thinking they might have been from a different species as the pedicels are much longer and the leaf

shape different (much narrower).  Pity you did not photograph both upper and lower surfaces of same flowers and foliage.

The use of different cameras and exposure issues complicate matters further.

Are there any Petiolares section Primula with such pronounced emarginate petals?  The first images are superficially

similar to what I understand is  Primula boothii susbp. autumnalis (have just posted images of this taken by my eldest

son in Nepal) which as the name suggests flowers late in the year and is found at modest elevations, especially near a 'water source'

(though most Himalayan Primulas "like their feet wet", yet the ends of the petals in that are nothing like your plant.

Most peculiar and defeating me, for the present.

Best Wishes,

Chris Chadwell

81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK

www.shpa.org.uk

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From: Nidhan Singh <nidhans...@gmail.com>
To: C CHADWELL <chrischa...@btinternet.com>
Cc: Pankaj Kumar <sahani...@gmail.com>; Craig & Pam Eveleigh <evel...@shaw.ca>; J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>; efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 23 November 2016, 1:51
Subject: Re: Gori Valley Tour: Primula for identification..

[Nidhan Singh]

Thanks for investing much of your time Chadwell Ji, what I can do additionally at this point of time is that I can request Balkar Ji also who was with me and he also did take the pics..hope some different and better views are available with him. This may take little time to execute..

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Chadwell ji

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Cc: Pankaj Kumar <sahani...@gmail.com>; Craig & Pam Eveleigh <evel...@shaw.ca>; J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>; efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>

Sent: Wednesday, 23 November 2016, 1:51
Subject: Re: Gori Valley Tour: Primula for identification..

[C CHADWELL]

Such images and information would be useful to have - and perhaps help confirm possibility

novelty for Uttarakhand. 

Best Wishes,

Chris Chadwell

81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK

www.shpa.org.uk

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From: Nidhan Singh <nidhans...@gmail.com>
To: C CHADWELL <chrischa...@btinternet.com>
Cc: Pankaj Kumar <sahani...@gmail.com>; Craig & Pam Eveleigh <evel...@shaw.ca>; J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>; efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>

Sent: Thursday, 24 November 2016, 2:04

Subject: Re: Gori Valley Tour: Primula for identification..

[C CHADWELL]

Ignore the previous post, sent in error. 

Best Wishes,

Chris Chadwell

81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK

www.shpa.org.uk

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To: C CHADWELL <chrischa...@btinternet.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>; Craig & Pam Eveleigh <evel...@shaw.ca>; Dr. Pankaj Kumar <sahani...@gmail.com>; Nidhan Singh <nidhans...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, 24 November 2016, 4:38

Subject: Re: Gori Valley Tour: Primula for identification..

[J.M. Garg]

Hi, Nidhan ji,

Forwarding again for posting more images by Balkar ji.

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Date: 24 November 2016 at 07:34
Subject: Re: Gori Valley Tour: Primula for identification..
To: C CHADWELL <chrischa...@btinternet.com>

[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

It may be Prumula sessilis. Krishan Lal

This is very strange... it cant be Primula sessilis as in sessilis petals will have pointed tips but here they are blunt two lobes. It looks like deformed form of Primula denticulata but thats a wild guess. I might be missing something.... Regards Pankaj

Would you be kind enough to tell me the altitudes of the TWO different species you have posted images of?  The FIRST (7 images) which you say was near a water source is clearly different fro  the SECOND (the final two images); do you possibly have any additional images of the latter. Neither are close to Primula denticulata nor Primula vulgaris - which is not a native of the Himalaya.

Knowing the different altitudes (the habitats are clearly very different) will help my efforts to identify them.   Would you also supply approximate dates of flowering? - Chadwell ji

My request for altitudes where the two sets of photos were taken has not been answered.  Am I correct that the last two images are not from the same plant? I am willing to take a further look but need some input from you to help narrow down the options nor waste time - that would not be fair on me. Best Wishes, Chris Chadwell

I noticed, the time on the photographs are matching for all pics, but just incase the individuals are differrent. Thanks and regards Pankaj

OK but what is the approximate altitude and what do you mean by a water source?

Can you describe the habitat please?  Best Wishes, Chris Chadwell

I am sorry to delay the matter, I have two submissions:

1. The altitude of the place was around 1500-1800 m, and the pics do all belong to one taxon only (may be more than one individuals). The differences are due to two different cameras. The place, locality and time is same. 2. The habitat was a small seasonal stream, on exposed slope. The water just enough to keep a few meters wet and dripping.

I will be happy to know your valued opinions, thanks for all your efforts.

Nidhan Singh

Pankaj, I agree with your direction on this. The pedicels are too long for P. denticulata or P. erosa (thus your suggestion of deformed). The whole plant looks like it could belong in the Petiolares Section, but that doesn't fit with the last two detailed images showing farinose pedicels and emarginate corolla lobe shape. I will have to think more on this, but I would welcome more suggestions. Pam

This really is proving to be a mystery!   Not that many Primulas are known from Uttarakhand and none

seem to fit the plant you have photographed.  Mind you, I cannot think what it is.  Perhaps someone can forward the images to Professor Richards for his thoughts?  Could it be something special?  Late flowering, low- elevation, seemingly contradictory characteristics..... I agree with the thoughts of Pam Eveleigh.   The foliage and habit of the first images suggest must be a Petiolarid yet the last two images contradict this.  You have assured me the last two images are from the same population - though I can be forgiven for thinking they might have been from a different species as the pedicels are much longer and the leaf shape different (much narrower).  Pity you did not photograph both upper and lower surfaces of same flowers and foliage. The use of different cameras and exposure issues complicate matters further. Are there any Petiolares section Primula with such pronounced emarginate petals?  The first images are superficially similar to what I understand is  Primula boothii susbp. autumnalis (have just posted images of this taken by my eldest son in Nepal) which as the name suggests flowers late in the year and is found at modest elevations, especially near a 'water source' (though most Himalayan Primulas "like their feet wet", yet the ends of the petals in that are nothing like your plant. Most peculiar and defeating me, for the present. Best Wishes, Chris Chadwell

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Date: 14 December 2012 at 07:56

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks a lot, Richards ji.

These were clicked in Gori Valley, Uttarakhand, India (possibly in 1st week of Oct. 2012). 

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From: JOHN RICHARDS
Date: 9 December 2016 at 15:43
Subject: Re: Fwd: [efloraofindia:140534] Gori Valley Tour: Primula for identification..
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>

Thank you for these images. I am not sure where they were taken or at what time of year. At present I am assuming that they are taken in spring. This is a farinose plant (at least those taken from the side) with small erect sepals which can only be P. gracilipes a common and widespread spring flowering forest species in Nepal. With this farina the only other possibility is P. irregularis which has bigger, stiffer, spreading sepals with teeth.

John Richards

On Friday, 9 December 2016, 5:57, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi, Richards ji,

Forwarding for any assistance in the matter pl. as requested by Chadwell ji & Pam ji.

[C CHADWELL]

It is so helpful to receive input from those with the maximum knowledge/familiarity with a genus, especially

for examples we have been uncertain about.

Important though, that Professor Richards is made aware of the location, altitude and month of flowering - just

in case they impact upon his opinion.  Perhaps an autumn-flowering variant?

He has, as indicated in his e-mail about the Primula photographed at Munsyari, which he considers is P.boothii,

recognised an autumn-flowering variant of that species, as subspecies autumnalis.

Naturally, it is of special interest to members of this group, when a species, subspecies or variety has their range

extended into Indian territory or recognised only in Indian territory.

As far as I know, Richards 'determination' (not sure if he would count it as such) for this plant from Gori Valley means this

represents the first record of Primula gracilipes in Uttarakhand, as is the case for Primula boothii at Munsyari. 

Best Wishes,

Chris Chadwell

81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK

www.shpa.org.uk

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[C CHADWELL]

It is so helpful to receive input from those with the maximum knowledge/familiarity with a genus, especially

for examples we have been uncertain about.

Important though, that Professor Richards is made aware of the location, altitude and month of flowering - just

in case they impact upon his opinion.  Perhaps an autumn-flowering variant?

He has, as indicated in his e-mail about the Primula photographed at Munsyari, which he considers is P.boothii,

recognised an autumn-flowering variant of that species, as subspecies autumnalis.

Naturally, it is of special interest to members of this group, when a species, subspecies or variety has their range

extended into Indian territory or recognised only in Indian territory.

As far as I know, Richards 'determination' (not sure if he would count it as such) for this plant from Gori Valley means this

represents the first record of Primula gracilipes in Uttarakhand, as is the case for Primula boothii at Munsyari. 

 

Best Wishes,

Chris Chadwell

81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK

www.shpa.org.uk

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Sent: Friday, 9 December 2016, 12:29

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks a lot, Chadwell ji.

It is all because you requested that we take his opinion in this matter. 

On 9 December 2016 at 22:13, C CHADWELL <chrischa...@btinternet.com> wrote:

It is so helpful to receive input from those with the maximum knowledge/familiarity with a genus, especially

for examples we have been uncertain about.

Important though, that Professor Richards is made aware of the location, altitude and month of flowering - just

in case they impact upon his opinion.  Perhaps an autumn-flowering variant?

He has, as indicated in his e-mail about the Primula photographed at Munsyari, which he considers is P.boothii,

recognised an autumn-flowering variant of that species, as subspecies autumnalis.

Naturally, it is of special interest to members of this group, when a species, subspecies or variety has their range

extended into Indian territory or recognised only in Indian territory.

As far as I know, Richards 'determination' (not sure if he would count it as such) for this plant from Gori Valley means this

represents the first record of Primula gracilipes in Uttarakhand, as is the case for Primula boothii at Munsyari. 

Best Wishes,

Chris Chadwell

81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK

www.shpa.org.uk

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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks a lot, Richards ji.

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From: JOHN RICHARDS
Date: 9 December 2016 at 21:17
Subject: Re: Fwd: Fwd: [efloraofindia:140534] Gori Valley Tour: Primula for identification..
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>

Thank you. It is unusual to find P. gracilipes flowering in the autumn. If the whole population is flowering freely then, may be this is a new autumn-flowering form of P. gracilipes, as is found in P. boothii. Probably it deserves a new name at lower rank.

John Richards

[C CHADWELL]

Glad my input is appreciated. 

Best Wishes,

Chris Chadwell

81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK

www.shpa.org.uk

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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>

To: C CHADWELL <chrischa...@btinternet.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>; Nidhan Singh <nidhans...@gmail.com>; Balkar Arya <balka...@gmail.com>; Dr. Pankaj Kumar <sahani...@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, 9 December 2016, 23:54
Subject: Re: Fwd: Fwd: [efloraofindia:258689] Gori Valley Tour: Primula for identification..

[C CHADWELL]

Glad my involvement is appreciated. 

Best Wishes,

Chris Chadwell

81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK

www.shpa.org.uk

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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>

To: C CHADWELL <chrischa...@btinternet.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>; Nidhan Singh <nidhans...@gmail.com>; Balkar Arya <balka...@gmail.com>; Dr. Pankaj Kumar <sahani...@gmail.com>
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[D.S Rawat]

Though I have not seen the account of Indian Primulas by Basak et al.  (too costly for me to afford it personally!) but the checklist of flowering plants of Uttarakhand by Uniyal et al (2007) have no mention of this species (P. gracilipes) which indicates that it is also a new record to flora of Uttarakhand. I hope Dr Nidhan Sigh Ji, who found and photographed it, will be able to relocate it for collecting specimens and fresh sets of photographs.

This is in reference to your inquiry in a separate thread on a Primula uploaded by me and identified as P. boothii by Prof. Richards.

I also suspect these two species are widespread in Uttarakhand and probably misidentified earlier.

DSRawat Pantnagar

On Saturday, December 10, 2016 at 6:14:02 PM UTC+5:30, chrischa...@btinternet.com wrote:

Glad my input is appreciated. 

Best Wishes,

Chris Chadwell

81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK

www.shpa.org.uk

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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>

To: C CHADWELL <chrischadwell261@btinternet.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>; Nidhan Singh <nidhans...@gmail.com>; Balkar Arya <balka...@gmail.com>; Dr. Pankaj Kumar <sahani...@gmail.com>

Sent: Friday, 9 December 2016, 23:54
Subject: Re: Fwd: Fwd: [efloraofindia:258689] Gori Valley Tour: Primula for identification..

Thanks a lot, Chadwell ji.

It is all because you requested that we take his opinion in this matter.