Two plants/ABMAR02

[Ashwini Bhatia]

I photographed these on two different locations on different days. Though the general shape is similar, there is a difference in the surface texture (the one photographed earlier on a dry day is hairier). I thought these belong to spurge family but I am most likely wrong. Please advise.

Mcleodganj, Dharamshala, HP

1750m

22 Feb/ 03 March 2015

Thanks.

Ashwini

22 Feb 15

[Ushadi Micromini]

Ashwini

these are naturally growing i take..

first two are a sedum, one of the himalalyan stonecrop.. species name eludes me right now..

may be sedum sedoides , but I may be off base... its supposed to have some hairy leaves ... but best diagnosis is after it flowers...

and last three are Sempervium..  of the hens and chicks group of succulents..

and these grow in colder mountainous climes

Some echeverias can be hirsute also but they grow in mexico

Just like in sedum's case best diagnosis is from the flowering stalk and its shape etc and flowers themselves.

hope it helps

and my be Gurcharanji and Dr Rawat may have more details

hope to hear from them

usha di

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[D.S Rawat]

Usha Di is right in saying that flowering is the exact stage to determine exact ID.

The first one to me is Sedum rosulatum and second one (with hairy leaves) is an Androsace species. But the same thing I will reiterate here- flowering is the exact stage to determine exact ID.

And flowering is not too distant, will be visible withing 45-60 days (late April-May).

Most often taxonomists are accustomed to recognize plants in flowering only. There are taxonomists which recognize plants only when it is in the form of herbarium specimens. Fortunately, we have taxonomists of all types in the group. I am sure these plants will be identified once in flowering.

DSRawat Pantnagar

Dr D.S.Rawat

Department of Biological Sciences, G.B. Pant University of Agriculture & Technology Pantnagar-263 145 Uttarakhand, INDIA

[Ashwini Bhatia]

Thank you Ushadi and Dr Rawat for your advice. I will wait for these to flower and post once again for ID confirmation.

Regards,

Ashwini

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22 Feb 15

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[Ushadi Micromini]

Thank You Dr Rawat

Androsace must be put in my head now, its one group i always forget since it did not really get into houseplants  lists  i never bought one and cared for one etc etc

and thanks for mentioning the upcoming flowering days

So Ashwini now you have a job to do , ha ha...

thanks for showing these ...in their natural habitat..

usha di

ps looking forward to the hot and humid days of their flowering

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[Ushadi Micromini]

Ashwini

if the last three are a primula, the stems should turn reddish under the rosettes..

see if you can periodially check on them like every 10 days or so...

if alpine primula (androsace) its not a succulent and will give us typical primula like flowers...

and search for a different spelling:

Sedum rosulata

and not  sedum  *.....tum..

Dr Rawat you have given me a lot to remember and search

and led me to id one of my dubia pictures from 2007

thanks

usha di

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[Ashwini Bhatia]

Thank you Ushadi. Will report soon.

Ashwini

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[Ashwini Bhatia]

Dear Ushadi/Dr Rawat,

I found the first sample having red stems with a cluster of buds today and took some pictures. Does this confirm it as Sedum rosulata?

Curious about the second sample with hairy leaves, I went back to check but found no change and no flowers. 

Here are the results for your advice.

Above Mcleodganj, Dharamshala, HP

1800m approx.

16 April 2015

Thanks.

Ashwini

And the second one;

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22 Feb 15

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[Ushadi Micromini]

Thanks

the flower buds

let them open and show their faces

gurcharanji had shown a case the base did not turn red on flowering

Now I am stumped

 Dr Rawat and Gurcharanji : help!!!

usha di

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[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

efi page on Rosularia rosulata (syn. Sedum rosulatum Edgew.)

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A reply:

""It should be Sinocassula indica

Krishan Lal""

[D.S Rawat]

Please also check for Rosularia adenotricha (=Sedum adenotrichum) of Crassulaceae. With flowers it does not looks like Sedum rosulatum as earlier suggested by me.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/FBeTQDURLQU
http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Hairy%20Sepal%20Sedum.html

DSRawat Pantnagar

Dr D.S.Rawat

Department of Biological Sciences, G.B. Pant University of Agriculture & Technology Pantnagar-263 145 Uttarakhand, INDIA

[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

It should be Sinocrassula indica Krishan Lal

Please also check for Rosularia adenotricha (=Sedum adenotrichum) of Crassulaceae. With flowers it does not looks like Sedum rosulatum as earlier suggested by me. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/FBeTQDURLQU http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Hairy%20Sepal%20Sedum.html DSRawat Pantnagar

efi pages on Sinocrassula indica & Rosularia adenotricha subsp. adenotricha

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[Ashwini Bhatia]

Thank you Dr Rawat and Krishan Lal ji for your advise. I apologise for not responding earlier.

Regards,

Ashwini

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And the second one;

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[Ashwini Bhatia]

I found one open flower today and took a picture to help with the ID. I think Dr Rawat was correct in suggesting Rosularia adenotricha. Please advise.

Thanks.

Ashwini

[Ushadi Micromini]

well

hairy sepal

who knew

a sedum with hairy leaves and sepals

white flowers on a red stalk

must rremember this

ALok 's pictures are  (see link given by Dr Rawat) very nice too, shows the hairy sepal.

Your picture shows hairy sepal ..

so this must be the hairy sepal sedum as FOI says/Alok says

lets wait for Dr Rawat for confirmation.

thanks Ashwini for very diligent followup.

Usha di

[D.S Rawat]

Beautiful pictures!

It is Rosularia adenotricha (Crassulaceae).

DSRawat Pantnagar

Dr D.S.Rawat

Department of Biological Sciences, G.B. Pant University of Agriculture & Technology Pantnagar-263 145 Uttarakhand, INDIA

[Ashwini Bhatia]

Thank you Dr Rawat.

Regards,
Ashwini

[Ashwini Bhatia]

Some more photos from today’s walk.

Above Mcleodganj, Dharamshala, HP

1850m approx. 

3 May 2015

Thanks.

Ashwini

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