efloraofindia:''For Id'' wild plant with roundish leaves at Talegaon Dabhade :June 2015: MR-02

Bhagyashri

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Jun 24, 2015, 3:47:53 AM6/24/15

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Hello friends,

Talegaon Dabhade Pune

JUne 2015

Requesting to please identify this wild plant with roundish leaves. no flowers or fruits were seen

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Adittya Dharap

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Jun 24, 2015, 6:00:54 AM6/24/15

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This is early stage of Rivea laotica Convolvulaceae .

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adittya

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Bhagyashri

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Jun 24, 2015, 7:30:16 AM6/24/15

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Adittya ji,

Many thanks for the Id of this plant which has interesting leaves

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J.M. Garg

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Jun 29, 2015, 11:45:57 AM6/29/15

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Thanks, Adittya ji,

From persual of refrences at Rivea & at link it appears that there is some taxonomic confusion & Rivea laotica in India may actually be Rivea ornata (Roxb.) Choisy.

Comments are welcome.

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Jun 29, 2015, 11:51:47 PM6/29/15

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Thanks, Ron ji, for these valuable inputs.

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Date: 30 June 2015 at 05:05
Subject: Re: Fwd: [efloraofindia:226347] efloraofindia:''For Id'' wild plant with roundish leaves at Talegaon Dabhade :June 2015: MR-02
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>

Hello Gargji,

My thoughts are that the plant is too young to identify...it may be a Rivea, although many species frequently display changes in leaf shape as the plant matures...

I am aware of 3 accepted species of Rivea that are not reflected in IPNI...and those 3 species are :

Rivea ornata
Rivea hypocrateriformis
Rivea wightiana

Rivea laotica was determined to be synonym of Rivea ornata...

The Plant List , IPNI and Tropicos are very frustratingly almost constantly out dated (at leastregarding Convolvulaceae) and Tropicos frequently lists multiple accepted names for the same plant in violation of the IAPT code...

I would suggest any interested in clarifying Rivea species to review the following :

Mill, R. R., 1996:
Notes relating to the flora of Bhutan: XXXIV. Convolvulaceae.
Edinburgh Journal of Botany 53(2): 229-246

A Synopsis Of Rivea (Convolvulaceae)
Staples, G W.
Edinburgh journal of botany. VOL 64; Numb 2, ; (Jul 2007) , 213-224
Cambridge University Press

regards,

Ron Kushner

----- Original Message -----
From: "J.M. Garg"
Date: Monday, June 29, 2015 11:45 am
Subject: Fwd: [efloraofindia:226347] efloraofindia:''For Id'' wild plant with roundish leaves at Talegaon Dabhade :June 2015: MR-02
To: efloraofindia
Cc: Adittya Dharap , Bhagyashri Ranade

> Thanks, Adittya ji,
> From persual of refrences at Rivea

> > l/cl/convolvulaceae/rivea>& at link
> it
> appears that there is some taxonomic confusion & *Rivea laotica
> *in India
> may actually be *Rivea ornata *(Roxb.) Choisy.

> Comments are welcome.
>
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> From: Bhagyashri
> Date: 24 June 2015 at 13:17
> Subject: [efloraofindia:226347] efloraofindia:''For Id'' wild
> plant with
> roundish leaves at Talegaon Dabhade :June 2015: MR-02
> To: efloraofindia
>
>

J.M. Garg

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Jun 29, 2015, 11:52:23 PM6/29/15

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Thanks a lot, Mahua ji.

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From: Mahua Pal
Date: 29 June 2015 at 22:20
Subject: Re: Fwd: [efloraofindia:226347] efloraofindia:''For Id'' wild plant with roundish leaves at Talegaon Dabhade :June 2015: MR-02
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>

It may be Rivea hypocrateriformis.
Mahua Pal, CNH, BSI.

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Ponnutheerthagiri Santhan

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Jun 30, 2015, 12:26:13 AM6/30/15

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It is an Argyreia species.(Convolvulaceae)

Bhagyashri

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Jun 30, 2015, 5:14:37 AM6/30/15

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Thank you Garg ji, Ron ji, Mahua ji and Santhan ji.

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Bhagyashri

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Adittya Dharap

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Jul 1, 2015, 1:58:45 AM7/1/15

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Hi,

I have seen the detailed communication and I agree that the plant is too young to identify. But knowing the area (Talegaon Dabhade) very well, I am sure that this is Rivea laotica (as pointed out by Ron Kushner R.ornata & R. laotica are treated as synonyms. but both the names are unresolved according to Plant List).

The Two Revia s occuring in Talegaon are Rivea hypocrateriformis & R.laotica. These two Rivea s clearly differ in habit, leaf size and shape & inflorescence. Following is the key from Flora of Maharashtra.

RIVEA Choisy

1. Woody climbers; peduncles usually 1.flowered;

corolla glabrous outside................ .R. hypocrateriformis

1. Erect undershrubs or shrubs; peduncles usually 2.7.flowered;

corolla appressedly hairy only along mid.petaline bands .............. R. laotica

I will post the images of these two Rivea s revealing the these distinct characters.

Regarding the synonyms and correct names for R.laotica & R.ornata , I am not the right person who can comment on.

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Adittya Dharap

Ponnutheerthagiri Santhan

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Jul 2, 2015, 1:56:09 AM7/2/15

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We can agree Mr. Adittya comment. Thanks Mr. Adittya.

girish kumar ellezhuthil

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Jul 4, 2015, 2:12:05 AM7/4/15

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It reminds Menispermaceae member....wait for flowering

Bhagyashri

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Jul 4, 2015, 3:40:01 AM7/4/15

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Girish kumar ji,

Thank you.

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 11:42 AM, girish kumar ellezhuthil <giri...@gmail.com> wrote:

It reminds Menispermaceae member....wait for flowering

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