Re: R: Re: [ID] ³clean² the gunk out of my decade old IDds

[Bret Perry]

Save-as does remove some stuff (cruft left from stuff that was deleted)
but export to IDML will remove more (picture and page previews).

If you copy and Paste a pic into InDesign, file size would increase by at
least the size of the pasted file - with paste, you are embedding the pic
into the InDesign file rather than linking. IDML will not help that very
much, as pictures would still be in the file. Use linked ³Placed² images
instead.

There is a script to un-embed the pictures and link to them instead:
http://www.kahrel.plus.com/indesign/dump_pasted_images.jsx


(thanks Peter!)

Also, changing the resolution of your linked images can help (all 72ppi
images are ³embedded² in files as a BIG preview even when linked(?)
(don¹t have to change the lic¹s files size, just make the resolution
higher and the dimensions smaller-same pixels, different resolution)
http://indesignsecrets.com/why-is-my-file-size-so-huge.php


And here is another great Peter Karel script that saves batches of files
as IDML (or PDF or earlier/later versions, wow)
http://www.kahrel.plus.com/indesign/batch_convert.html


Here is a more basic set of scripts that do IDML or EPUB etc. by dragging
These are old and won¹t run on Intel until you open them in Script Editor
and re-save as an (Applescript) Application - Mac only
http://indesignsecrets.com/drag-and-drop-applescripts-for-epub-idml-etc.php





On 5/16/16, 6:58 PM, "indesi...@googlegroups.com on behalf of
frame....@fastwebnet.it" <indesi...@googlegroups.com on behalf of
frame....@fastwebnet.it> wrote:

>>> Would saving them as IDML and then back to INDD do the job? (I'm not
>>>sure, ju
>st asking. But it seems like it might.)
>>
>>Save as to a new file will do the same trick.
>
>AFAIK, not really.
>
>I always thought that "Save as" INDD files would remove any "bloat" or
>spurious
>stuff from them.
>But recently I had a file growing into absurd size (from 50 to 250 MB),
>just bec
>ause I copy/pasted many pictures from other files, and "Save as" had been
>useles
>s.
>Sensing that something wrong was going on, I exported as IDML (or INX)
>and impor
>ted back into ID...
>Bam!!! The file size went from 250 back to 60-70 MB.
>Another file that had been worked over again and again, it too went from
>150 MB
>to 70 MB.
>
>This happened on ID CS3, but I suspect that behavior (bug?) is still in
>modern I
>D.
>It's worth a shot to try exporting and see what happens.
>
>I'm curious to hear opinions and experience from other users about this...



Bret Perry
Application Specialist/Studio Client Manager
ph 626-463-9365
fax 626-449-2201
bpe...@russreid.com


The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately by calling the Help Desk at 855-486-5519.

[katmcg]

This is great!
Thanks so much. I have been IDML-ing, but still retains a lot fo gunk.

kat

> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "InDesign talk" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indesign-tal...@googlegroups.com.
> To post to this group, send email to indesi...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indesign-talk.
> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[Valter Viglietti - Frame Studio]

> Save-as does remove some stuff (cruft left from stuff that was deleted)
> but export to IDML will remove more (picture and page previews).

Of course... but I meant IDML just as an intermediate step toward rebuilding
the ID document anew. And the new ID doc. would have, of course, picture and
page previews.

Hence, when I wrote that an ID doc. went from 150 to 70 MB (going through
the INX intermediate step), I meant 70 MB for the final INDD doc (not the
INX file).
This means that going through IDML/INX gets rid of much more useless stuff.

> If you copy and Paste a pic into InDesign, file size would increase by at
> least the size of the pasted file

I didn't make myself clear: with "I copy/pasted", I meant "copying imported
(Placed) images from other INDD docs".
I know pasting pics into ID is foolish.

[katmcg]

Bret mentioned INX, too, I believe, awhile back.
It sounded daunting.

It looks like we won’t need to clean IDs. Client may be shifting all to word. So I guess it will just be copy & pasting text from ID to word then formatting in word.
Any thoughts?
kat

[Valter Viglietti - Frame Studio]

Il giorno 19/05/16 04.46, "katmcg" ha scritto:

> Bret mentioned INX, too, I believe, awhile back.

INX was for older ID versions (up to CS3, I believe).
IDML is the latest export format, that ID CS4 and up would be using.

> It sounded daunting.
Not really.
You just choose "File / Export", select "InDesign Interchange" format, and
save the resulting IDML file somewhere. The you open the same IDML file in
ID, and ID rebuilds the document (it might take a while with big documents).

In the end, you have a new, clean ID file, that should look identical to the
original, and you save it as usual (save it with a different name and keep
the old for a while, just in case).

> So I guess it will just be copy & pasting text from ID to word then formatting
> in word.
> Any thoughts?

InDesign to Word? I'm afraid it will be hell ;-)

[betty]

> So I guess it will just be copy & pasting text from ID to word then formatting
> in word.
> Any thoughts?

At the InDesign Conference, one of speakers (I think it was Anne-Marie Concepcion) talked about a plugin from Em Software called Words Flow. The pro version goes both ways so you could send your InDesign files into a Word doc.

I haven't used it but it looks like it might be story by story instead of full documents. Even so, it might be very helpful to avoid having to reformat everything.

[William Adams]

Don't copy-paste.

Export to .rtf, open that in Word, save as .docx, then re-import.

If you set up your character and paragraph styles properly at each end, it'll ``just work'' --- if need be, write a script to fix up anything which doesn't quite line up (such as tables).

William

--

[Bret Perry]

Our sympathy ;-)

If there are a ton and they are pretty much final in ID, you might want to
consider a plug-in to just convert to Word.
Haven¹t tried this one lately, but heard good things
http://www.recosoft.com/products/id2office/?gclid=CPzGkrjT5swCFYlrfgodDCMG9
A


I¹ve often had pretty good results exporting PDF from ID and Save-as in
Acrobat to Word.
But of course a hand-crafted Word doc offers most control.



On 5/18/16, 7:46 PM, "indesi...@googlegroups.com on behalf of katmcg"

>--
>You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
>"InDesign talk" group.
>To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
>email to indesign-tal...@googlegroups.com.
>To post to this group, send email to indesi...@googlegroups.com.
>Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indesign-talk.
>For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
>

[katmcg]

Interesting ID plug-in to convert to Word. Don’t know if it’s worth the price, particularly as saving time isn’t the priority.

And yes I IDML–a lot. Hasn’t help particularly with Annotations which I love. I just thought that INX was Bret’s secret weapon for getting the gunk out. Not so, I guess.

kat

[karen kennedy]

Another way without a plug-in is to export to pdf and the from Acrobat save the file for Word. Depends on the files but it does work, mostly!