Hint Translation Not Available When Not in Debug Mode

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Phil

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Mar 20, 2012, 6:47:34 AM3/20/12
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Hello guys,

I'm used to take all advantages of Content mode system, which let us have a contextual tool, to translate phrases where they appear.
However, Hint translation isn't available when debug mode is off, but only in content mode; if you go to Phrases, you can edit hints even without debug mode.
I suggest here to let users ability to translate all type of content (phrase & hints), when using Content mode.

What do yo think?
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Alexander Obuhovich

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Mar 20, 2012, 7:23:52 AM3/20/12
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We had some idea behind not showing Hint/Column translation textareas when editing phrases from Content Mode, but I don't remember what it was.

I guess we can show all of them if nobody is against that.


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Dmitry A.

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Mar 27, 2012, 4:23:32 PM3/27/12
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The main problem is that it will confuse some people on our end.

We don't allow translating interfaces with DBG off at all - I believe we should keep it this way. By the way, Translations section is closed from End website User/Admin too - unless it's an advanced one.

DA

Alexander Obuhovich

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Mar 27, 2012, 4:58:01 PM3/27/12
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We don't allow translating interfaces with DBG off at all  - I believe we should keep it this way.

Not true. We have content modes functionality (which allows phrase translations) in all interface presets with and without debug mode enabled.


By the way, Translations section is closed from End website User/Admin too - unless it's an advanced one.

Exactly - "unless it's an advanced one". That's what Phil is talking about - users, who manually set non-simple interface preset with no limits still don't see these HintTranslation/ColumnTranslation fields while using Browse Mode.
This is happening, because we manually remove these fields in template no matter what is told by interface preset chosen by user.

If in turn we set these HintTranslation/ColumnTranslation fields on phrase editing form (from browse mode) to be debug-only in simple interface preset and not directly in TPL then this all would work the same way and HintTranslation/ColumnTranslation fields won't be visible in "Labels & Phrases" section edit page and on "Regional" section edit page.



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Dmitry A.

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Mar 27, 2012, 5:44:20 PM3/27/12
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I was actually thinking about ability to translate Admin Interface Phrases and Hints.

Alex we can do it the way you proposing I guess.

DA


On Tuesday, March 27, 2012 3:58:01 PM UTC-5, Alexander Obuhovich wrote:
We don't allow translating interfaces with DBG off at all  - I believe we should keep it this way.

Not true. We have content modes functionality (which allows phrase translations) in all interface presets with and without debug mode enabled.


By the way, Translations section is closed from End website User/Admin too - unless it's an advanced one.

Exactly - "unless it's an advanced one". That's what Phil is talking about - users, who manually set non-simple interface preset with no limits still don't see these HintTranslation/ColumnTranslation fields while using Browse Mode.
This is happening, because we manually remove these fields in template no matter what is told by interface preset chosen by user.

If in turn we set these HintTranslation/ColumnTranslation fields on phrase editing form (from browse mode) to be debug-only in simple interface preset and not directly in TPL then this all would work the same way and HintTranslation/ColumnTranslation fields won't be visible in "Labels & Phrases" section edit page and on "Regional" section edit page.
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 11:23 PM, Dmitry A. <dand...@gmail.com> wrote:
The main problem is that it will confuse some people on our end.

We don't allow translating interfaces with DBG off at all - I believe we should keep it this way. By the way, Translations section is closed from End website User/Admin too - unless it's an advanced one.

DA

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Phil

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Mar 28, 2012, 4:29:10 AM3/28/12
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The thing I was pointing out was that despite you can't have hint translations in content mode (advanced interface), you can still see and translate them by going in Labels & Phrases section. Thus, it's not true that we don't allow to translate interface, it's just that it's hidden in content mode :)
(tested in 5.2.0.b2)

Then, I propose to display them even in content mode, for advanced interface only.

What do you think guys?


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Le mardi 27 mars 2012 à 23:44, Dmitry A. a écrit :

> I was actually thinking about ability to translate Admin Interface Phrases and Hints.
>
> Alex we can do it the way you proposing I guess.
>
> DA
>
> On Tuesday, March 27, 2012 3:58:01 PM UTC-5, Alexander Obuhovich wrote:
> > We don't allow translating interfaces with DBG off at all - I believe we should keep it this way.
> >
> > Not true. We have content modes functionality (which allows phrase translations) in all interface presets with and without debug mode enabled.
> >
> >
> > By the way, Translations section is closed from End website User/Admin too - unless it's an advanced one.
> >
> > Exactly - "unless it's an advanced one". That's what Phil is talking about - users, who manually set non-simple interface preset with no limits still don't see these HintTranslation/ColumnTranslation fields while using Browse Mode.
> > This is happening, because we manually remove these fields in template no matter what is told by interface preset chosen by user.
> >
> > If in turn we set these HintTranslation/ColumnTranslation fields on phrase editing form (from browse mode) to be debug-only in simple interface preset and not directly in TPL then this all would work the same way and HintTranslation/ColumnTranslation fields won't be visible in "Labels & Phrases" section edit page and on "Regional" section edit page.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 11:23 PM, Dmitry A. <dand...@gmail.com (mailto:dand...@gmail.com)> wrote:
> > > The main problem is that it will confuse some people on our end.
> > >
> > > We don't allow translating interfaces with DBG off at all - I believe we should keep it this way. By the way, Translations section is closed from End website User/Admin too - unless it's an advanced one.
> > >
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Dmitry A.

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Mar 30, 2012, 11:54:08 AM3/30/12
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I am ready said what I think in my prev. post - it's okay with me.


DA

Alexander Obuhovich

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Mar 31, 2012, 5:26:13 AM3/31/12
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Task:  http://tracker.in-portal.org/view.php?id=1242 

Ready for testing.


On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 6:54 PM, Dmitry A. <dand...@gmail.com> wrote:
I am ready said what I think in my prev. post - it's okay with me.


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