Announcing: The Go Forum

[Matthew Holt]

Today, we're announcing the Go Forum, a place for gophers around the world to get and give help, talk about and find packages, do code reviews, announce community events, and engage in other technical chatter. It is community-organized and members do abide a Code of Conduct.

Realizing that many golang-nuts subscribers appreciate the mailing list workflow, the forum is set up to accommodate email participation. It's easy to do and instructions are on the forum.

Please read the announcement blog post for a more thorough introduction to the forum. We hope you'll enjoy this public, searchable venue for Go discussion!

Huge thanks to all who helped set this up, especially Luna and Palm Stone Games for sponsoring the hosting of the forum.

[Peter Kleiweg]

I'd be much more comfortable with an unmoderated comp.lang.go on usenet.

[Thomas Bushnell, BSG]

Yeah. Usenet is dead. :(

On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 11:27 AM Peter Kleiweg <pkle...@xs4all.nl> wrote:

I'd be much more comfortable with an unmoderated comp.lang.go on usenet.

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[Chris Manghane]

I don't think there is a limit on how many different forums of discussion for Go there can be. You should be able to discuss the language on whichever forum fits your style of communication and moderation. That being said, it is really nice to see a community-organized forum for Go where the members have committed to a code of conduct. Thank you to everyone who was involved in discussing, implementing, and working on making this happen. It looks very promising.

[Burcu Dogan]

I'd be more comfortable with a list no one attempts to dictate others where and how to discuss Go.

On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 11:27 AM, Peter Kleiweg <pkle...@xs4all.nl> wrote:

I'd be much more comfortable with an unmoderated comp.lang.go on usenet.

[Tyler Compton]

Something awful seems to have happened to the public perception of codes of conduct.

Is there any reason why this forum is /The/ Go Forum? Don't get me wrong, it looks nice, and I don't personally have any issues with it, but that sounds like some pretty confident wording :)

[Kiki Sugiaman]

Is golang-nuts going to die a slow, painful death? :D

[Daniel Skinner]

If asked to visit /a/ go forum, and there's only /one/ go forum, one might say they've gone to /the/ go forum. The crux of this thought now lies in the definition of /forum/ which may vary widely but as far as community titles go, this is the go /forum/. This where I placed emphasis when reading.

If the site generates useful content, I may set it up to bundle into my email with the mailing list given I mostly lurk.

I am often disturbed by the disjoint of communication over the internet; email being the only way to mux various channels. I still feel the reverb of google wave; if only we had something better.

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[Andrew Gerrand]

I think this is promising. It appears to provide a much better user experience than Google Groups, at least.

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[Nate Finch]

I'm super excited about this.  The forum software being run is Discourse, which is made specifically to give the community power to moderate itself.  In addition, it adds a lot of great features above and beyond moderation, such as linked threads (so if you want to go off on a tangent about one specific post, you can do so with two way links, without derailing the original thread, or losing all context in the new thread).  It also supports markdown for writing posts, which is ever so handy when posting code, and is just plain easier to use than the WYSIWI(sometimes)G controls pretty much anywhere else.

I hope it takes off.

[Nico]

It is very sad that the code of conduct for this "Go Forum" doesn't try to accommodate a large number of the views shared on this thread:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/golang-nuts/sy-YcVPADjg/bcO6LAr29EIJ

[vari...@gmail.com]

For those of you who prefer an environment where forum participants take responsibility for their own feelings, sensibilities, sensitivities, and vulnerabilities, I warmly invite you to participate in the Voat golang subforum. I can't personally vouch for the moderator, but I can vouch for the collective character of the Voat community insomuch as it relates to their taking responsibility for their own feelings etc, and their stalwart advocacy of absolutely minimally restricted free speech. Not every subforum is anything-goes, but the owner of the website and pretty much all the users deeply support free speech and it makes for a pleasantly rich and diverse open environment for respectful communication amongst people with vastly different values. https://voat.co/v/golang

[Daniel Skinner]

Well I have to say, discourse *is* really nice, I've never used it before, but it looks like my stay there has come to an end ...

http://i.imgur.com/RHj283h.png

On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 11:52 PM Nate Finch <nate....@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm super excited about this.  The forum software being run is Discourse, which is made specifically to give the community power to moderate itself.  In addition, it adds a lot of great features above and beyond moderation, such as linked threads (so if you want to go off on a tangent about one specific post, you can do so with two way links, without derailing the original thread, or losing all context in the new thread).  It also supports markdown for writing posts, which is ever so handy when posting code, and is just plain easier to use than the WYSIWI(sometimes)G controls pretty much anywhere else.

I hope it takes off.

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[Justin Israel]

On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 6:26 PM Daniel Skinner <dan...@dasa.cc> wrote:

Well I have to say, discourse *is* really nice, I've never used it before, but it looks like my stay there has come to an end ...

http://i.imgur.com/RHj283h.png

That's a shame. Sorry to see it didn't work out. I'm still going to follow the forum though, because I use a full name and...  I don't really care about this long discussion about full names.

[Klaus Post]

Hi!

Just want to say I love it. 

* Markdown editing is so much easier and less random than this. 

* There is no random reload errors like this. 

* You can ignore trolls.

* Images without links.

* Mentions.

* Likes - easy way to indicate interest in something without posting.

Thanks for the effort!

/Klaus

[Benjamin Measures]

On Friday, 2 October 2015 07:29:45 UTC+1, Justin Israel wrote:

That's a shame. Sorry to see it didn't work out. I'm still going to follow the forum though, because I use a full name and...  I don't really care about this long discussion about full names.

One look at the not-prominently-displayed ToS and I bounced right out of there. Highlights include:

• You warrant that Content posted or linked will not infringe patent rights of any Third Party;
• Content is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License;
  
• They reserve the right to display advertisements on your Content;
• You must periodically check for changes to the Agreement, as They can change the Agreement without notice;
  
• provisions of the Agreement survive termination including, without limitation, ownership provisions, warranty disclaimers, indemnity and limitations of liability;
  
• You agree to indemnify Them (including Their Licensors) against any and all claims and expenses arising out of your use of the Website.

So, should you post or link code from which an unforseable patent case arises years from now, you are liable for claims against the forum and their users (who licence derivatives of your Content) regardless of your involvement since then.

Also, they can claim your immortal soul without notice: http://www.out-law.com/page-10929

[Peter Waller]

On 2 October 2015 at 07:28, Justin Israel <justin...@gmail.com> wrote:

That's a shame. Sorry to see it didn't work out. I'm still going to follow the forum though, because I use a full name and...  I don't really care about this long discussion about full names.

I use my full name, too.

I don't want to be a part of a service that requires people use their full real names. I know that there exists decent vulnerable people who don't use their full names for personal reasons and I wouldn't want to encourage a service that excludes them.

[Daniel Skinner]

Yeah, basically this. I hope my protest wasn't construed as a nuisance or trolling. I simply felt the discussion around the issue wasn't being addressed, or perhaps only being discussed in private (no transparency).

It appeared action was being taken against such users while a discussion was occurring. I'd rather be part of that group to assure my expectations of how a situation is being handled is ok.

I understand Benjamin's concerns over the TOS though I'm more lenient in thought regarding those items.

Regardless, discourse is a very nice platform, as Klaus listed out, and I do hope they reconsider their stance in the future.

[Luna Duclos]

I wanted to give you guys a headsup, the full name policy has been removed for the forums.

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[James Aguilar]

This is probably a good thing. I'm on board with the spirit behind real names policy. I also believe that anonymity encourages people to say things they oughtn't. But you only have to look at YouTube/G+, or even my friends' Facebook posts, to see that it alone cannot stop the tone of the conversation from degrading. With such a small forum, I think aggressive moderation against those that violate community standards is probably going to get you 99% of the benefits, and that real names aren't the key to that last 1%.