How to make my sent messages shown in a thread?

[Hongxu Chen]

Hi list,

I am using Gnus and there is a problem with it: When I send a message,
it goes to the `sent' archive. But when someone else replies, I cannot
see my own in the THREAD-VIEW. Yeah, I can always see the original
words of ourselves if others also quote it; but is it possible for
Gnus to grab my message when I am using `A T' in gnus summary
buffer(just as if it is a mail list mirror)?

Another related question about the experience of thread reading: When
I `(setq gnus-fetch-old-headers t)', the articles in one thread are
is NOT always guaranteed to be listed; at least less than the entries
when `gnus-summary-refer-thread' is executed. Is it supposed to be so
or I am missing something?

Thanks,
Hongxu Chen

[Emanuel Berg]

Hongxu Chen <leftco...@gmail.com> writes:

> I am using Gnus and there is a problem with it: When I send a
> message, it goes to the `sent' archive. But when someone else
> replies, I cannot see my own in the THREAD-VIEW. Yeah, I can
> always see the original words of ourselves if others also quote
> it; but is it possible for Gnus to grab my message when I am

> using `A T' in gnus summary buffer (just as if it is a mail list
> mirror)?

Is THREAD-VIEW = gnus-summary-mode?

In that case, I see mine, unless I read them, and then close (like
any other article).

Are you saying, you *never* see your posts in the summary?

I've put together a small page on Gnus, if you feel like comparing
notes. But, although Gnus works fine for me (more or less), and
I've spent lots of time with it, I am still somewhat of a novice.

Anyway: http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/gnus/index.html

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[XeCycle]

Hongxu Chen <leftco...@gmail.com> writes:

> Hi list,

>
> I am using Gnus and there is a problem with it: When I send a message,
> it goes to the `sent' archive. But when someone else replies, I cannot
> see my own in the THREAD-VIEW. Yeah, I can always see the original
> words of ourselves if others also quote it; but is it possible for
> Gnus to grab my message when I am using `A T' in gnus summary

> buffer(just as if it is a mail list mirror)?

Something like gcc-self (just search it in the manual).

> Another related question about the experience of thread reading: When
> I `(setq gnus-fetch-old-headers t)', the articles in one thread are
> is NOT always guaranteed to be listed; at least less than the entries
> when `gnus-summary-refer-thread' is executed. Is it supposed to be so
> or I am missing something?

I've no idea about this.

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[Hongxu Chen]

Emanuel Berg <embe...@student.uu.se> writes:

> Hongxu Chen <leftco...@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> I am using Gnus and there is a problem with it: When I send a
>> message, it goes to the `sent' archive. But when someone else
>> replies, I cannot see my own in the THREAD-VIEW. Yeah, I can
>> always see the original words of ourselves if others also quote
>> it; but is it possible for Gnus to grab my message when I am
>> using `A T' in gnus summary buffer (just as if it is a mail list
>> mirror)?
>
> Is THREAD-VIEW = gnus-summary-mode?

By saying THREAD-VIEW I mean I am trying to view the mails sorted by
thread(number, subjects, date, etc); yeah, it is in gnus-summary-mode.

>
> In that case, I see mine, unless I read them, and then close (like
> any other article).
>
> Are you saying, you *never* see your posts in the summary?
>
> I've put together a small page on Gnus, if you feel like comparing
> notes. But, although Gnus works fine for me (more or less), and
> I've spent lots of time with it, I am still somewhat of a novice.
>
> Anyway: http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/gnus/index.html

That's a nice page, thanks! I took a glance at .emacs-gnus file
and from the screenshot I believe you are subscribing usenet. However I
am on the mail list. Emanuel, have you ever before tried the mail list?

XeCycle also mentioned the `gcc' related settings and he suggested
some configurations for special groups. I also noticed the variable
`gnus-message-archive-group' might be useful(I am still trying).

--
Regards,
Hongxu Chen

[Hongxu Chen]

Hongxu Chen <leftco...@gmail.com> writes:

> Emanuel Berg <embe...@student.uu.se> writes:
>
>> Hongxu Chen <leftco...@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> I am using Gnus and there is a problem with it: When I send a
>>> message, it goes to the `sent' archive. But when someone else
>>> replies, I cannot see my own in the THREAD-VIEW. Yeah, I can
>>> always see the original words of ourselves if others also quote
>>> it; but is it possible for Gnus to grab my message when I am
>>> using `A T' in gnus summary buffer (just as if it is a mail list
>>> mirror)?
>>
>> Is THREAD-VIEW = gnus-summary-mode?
>

> By saying THREAD-VIEW I mean I am trying to view the mails sorted by
> thread(number, subjects, date, etc); yeah, it is in gnus-summary-mode.
>
>>

>> In that case, I see mine, unless I read them, and then close (like
>> any other article).
>>
>> Are you saying, you *never* see your posts in the summary?
>>
>> I've put together a small page on Gnus, if you feel like comparing
>> notes. But, although Gnus works fine for me (more or less), and
>> I've spent lots of time with it, I am still somewhat of a novice.
>>
>> Anyway: http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/gnus/index.html
>

> That's a nice page, thanks! I took a glance at .emacs-gnus file
> and from the screenshot I believe you are subscribing usenet. However I
> am on the mail list. Emanuel, have you ever before tried the mail list?
>
> XeCycle also mentioned the `gcc' related settings and he suggested
> some configurations for special groups. I also noticed the variable
> `gnus-message-archive-group' might be useful(I am still trying).

For the record, I succeeded to get a copy of my sent message in
`inbox' with the settings below, although it is just a workaround.

(setq gnus-gcc-mark-as-read t) ;; don't read the sent messages
(setq gnus-message-archive-group '("nnmaildir+mymailbox:sent" "nnmaildir+mymailbox:inbox"))

The other settings can be seen at this page:
https://github.com/HongxuChen/dotfiles/blob/master/_emacs.d/config/init-gnus.el
It's far from perfect, but enough for my requirements presently.

--
Regards,
Hongxu Chen

[Emanuel Berg]

Hongxu Chen <leftco...@gmail.com> writes:

> I took a glance at .emacs-gnus file and from the screenshot I
> believe you are subscribing usenet. However I am on the mail
> list. Emanuel, have you ever before tried the mail list?

Yes, I am reading gnu.emacs.help as a newsgroup, with Gnus.

You are also using Gnus, only you use it as a mail client, and you
get - well, this very message, for example - as a *mail*? (Is that correct?)

In that case, I guess you could automatize (add a hook to sent
message) to add a CC: or GCC: header to also send it to your
email. Perhaps this is already done, and you can activate it as an
option.

I use rmail for mail, and because rmail doesn't have an interface
(at least not by default) to show sent mails, when you reply to a
mail in rmail, your mail is added as a CC: automatically. (I don't
like that, so I had to change it.) But, I don't think rmail is a
good alternative for you because rmail isn't threaded.

[Hongxu Chen]

Emanuel Berg <embe...@student.uu.se> writes:

> Hongxu Chen <leftco...@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> I took a glance at .emacs-gnus file and from the screenshot I
>> believe you are subscribing usenet. However I am on the mail
>> list. Emanuel, have you ever before tried the mail list?
>
> Yes, I am reading gnu.emacs.help as a newsgroup, with Gnus.
>
> You are also using Gnus, only you use it as a mail client, and you
> get - well, this very message, for example - as a *mail*? (Is that correct?)
>
> In that case, I guess you could automatize (add a hook to sent
> message) to add a CC: or GCC: header to also send it to your
> email. Perhaps this is already done, and you can activate it as an
> option.

Yeah, I finally figure that I need to add an entry for `Gcc', and it works!

>
> I use rmail for mail, and because rmail doesn't have an interface
> (at least not by default) to show sent mails, when you reply to a
> mail in rmail, your mail is added as a CC: automatically. (I don't
> like that, so I had to change it.) But, I don't think rmail is a
> good alternative for you because rmail isn't threaded.

Thanks for your help.

--
Regards,
Hongxu Chen

[naren...@gmail.com]

On Saturday, 8 June 2013 06:59:05 UTC+5:30, Hongxu Chen wrote:
> Emanuel Berg <embe...@student.uu.se> writes:
>
> > Hongxu Chen <leftco...@gmail.com> writes:
> >
> >> I took a glance at .emacs-gnus file and from the screenshot I
> >> believe you are subscribing usenet. However I am on the mail
> >> list. Emanuel, have you ever before tried the mail list?
> >
> > Yes, I am reading gnu.emacs.help as a newsgroup, with Gnus.
> >
> > You are also using Gnus, only you use it as a mail client, and you
> > get - well, this very message, for example - as a *mail*? (Is that correct?)
> >
> > In that case, I guess you could automatize (add a hook to sent
> > message) to add a CC: or GCC: header to also send it to your
> > email. Perhaps this is already done, and you can activate it as an
> > option.
> Yeah, I finally figure that I need to add an entry for `Gcc', and it works!
> >

> Regards,
> Hongxu Chen

What did you need to change to accomplish this?

Narendra