[GMCnet] New build (maybe)

[Hal StClair via Gmclist]

I'm in the early stages of a different type of build. This will be a rather slow process as there are a number of unique challenges facing me. I
hesitate to even share until further along but a good friend (Wally) thinks some may appreciate watching. Just a warning, it may never come to
fruition but the journey should be fun.

I'm building new rear control arms for the 'project' GMC and have been working on a method to make the brakes work as a reaction arm setup. This sends
the braking action straight to the frame instead of the tire/control arm and makes a tremendous difference in stopping distances- nearly drops
stopping distance 50% over the stock system. It's been quite a challenge so far...
Hal

https://www.dropbox.com/l/scl/AAD36I-yv8Mi8_Dhy42wVrh4pbrhTQCxN4Y
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1977 Royale 101348,

1977 Royale 101586, Diesel powered,

1975 Eleganza II, 101230,

1974 Eagle Bus 45',w/slideout,

Rio Rancho, NM

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[Randy Hecht via Gmclist]

Don’t have drop box, have another option?

Chaplain Randy Hecht
Roswell, GA
Chaplains are ready to Listen when you're ready to talk.

1974 Canyon Lakes GMC the Unicorn Express
80mm Front Disc and a work in progress

> On May 10, 2020, at 14:20, Hal StClair via Gmclist <gmc...@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>
> I'm in the early stages of a different type of build. This will be a rather slow process as there are a number of unique challenges facing me. I

[Adolph Santorine via Gmclist]

Hal

That’s a very interesting take.

Can’t wait to hear how it runs on the road!

Dolph Santorine

DE AD0LF

Wheeling, West Virginia

1977 ex-Palm Beach TZE167V100820
Howell EFI/EBL , Reaction Arms, Manny Transmission

> On May 10, 2020, at 2:20 PM, Hal StClair via Gmclist <gmc...@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>
> I'm in the early stages of a different type of build. This will be a rather slow process as there are a number of unique challenges facing me. I

[Hal StClair via Gmclist]

We just posted to U Tube.
Hal

[6cuda6--- via Gmclist]

That's pretty cool! MORE PLEASE :d
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Rich Mondor,

Brockville, ON

77 Hughes 2600

[Mike Kelley via Gmclist]

Lots of us GMCers will be very interested - would love to be able to stop on a dime!
Mike/The Corvair a holic

Sent from my iPhone

[Bill Van Vlack via Gmclist]

Thanks for sharing, Hal
It's great to see well thought through approaches to issues we all share. Like having the engine too close to the driver.
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Bill Van Vlack
'76 Royale; Guemes Island, Washington; Twin bed, full (DS) side bath, Brazilian Redwood counter and settee tops,455, 6KW generator; new owner a/o mid
November 2015.

[Rich Kinas via Gmclist]

What the U-tube link?

[Hal StClair via Gmclist]

https://youtu.be/wayeEBIPf8k

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1977 Royale 101348,

1977 Royale 101586, Diesel powered,

1975 Eleganza II, 101230,

1974 Eagle Bus 45',w/slideout,

Rio Rancho, NM

[Richard via Gmclist]

I call dibs on the first test drive!
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'77 Birchaven TZE...777;
'76 Palm Beach with 18,477 verified miles;
‘76 Edgemonte

[Les Burt via Gmclist]

Interesting solution to combining several improvements into a tight package.
I’m quite curious to see how you will build the actual suspension arm. To minimize flexing, it will take a stout piece.

Les Burt
Montreal
'75 Eleganza 26'

> On May 10, 2020, at 2:20 PM, Hal StClair via Gmclist <gmc...@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>

> I'm in the early stages of a different type of build. This will be a rather slow process as there are a number of unique challenges facing me. I

[Hal StClair via Gmclist]

Got a little more done if you're interested.

https://youtu.be/-rtKa7_BOSI

Hal

[Ken Henderson via Gmclist]

Thanks for keeping us posted, Hal.

Ken H.

[6cuda6--- via Gmclist]

Thats going to be so cool Hal....your making me wish i still had my shop :(

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Rich Mondor,

Brockville, ON

77 Hughes 2600

[Les Burt via Gmclist]

Nicely done. It will be interesting to see if those arms will flex and then return to position any better than the OE units after encountering road obstacles.

Perhaps road testing them on the rear position only of an existing coach might be an effort worth undertaking.

Les Burt
Montreal
'75 Eleganza 26'

> On May 14, 2020, at 10:02 PM, 6cuda6--- via Gmclist <gmc...@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>
> Thats going to be so cool Hal....your making me wish i still had my shop :(

[Johnny Bridges via Gmclist]

You could run a drive axle through that in the rear........

--johnny
--
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell

[Hal StClair via Gmclist]

GMC.LES wrote on Fri, 15 May 2020 03:17

> Nicely done. It will be interesting to see if those arms will flex and then return to position any better than the OE units after encountering
> road obstacles.
>
> Perhaps road testing them on the rear position only of an existing coach might be an effort worth undertaking.
>
>
> Les Burt
> Montreal
> '75 Eleganza 26'
>

> I have my doubts they will do much flexing Les. I'm planning on building a 'true track' type support to help protect things. I want to protect the
> bogey box/pins as I think they will be stressed more in this application. With the extra support from the added bearing and acting as a stop for
> arm movement I think it will be OK. Lots of balls in the air with this build :roll: Hal

>
> > On May 14, 2020, at 10:02 PM, 6cuda6--- via Gmclist wrote:
> >
> > Thats going to be so cool Hal....your making me wish i still had my shop :(
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> >
> > Brockville, ON
> >
> > 77 Hughes 2600
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1977 Royale 101348,

1977 Royale 101586, Diesel powered,

1975 Eleganza II, 101230,

1974 Eagle Bus 45',w/slideout,

Rio Rancho, NM

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[Hal StClair via Gmclist]

I had some feedback that my last video was a bit confusing. I've tried to explain things a little better here.

https://youtu.be/ObQZixeI39E

Hal

[Bill Van Vlack via Gmclist]

Thanks, Hal... pretty clear now. Question: how will the drive axles pass by/through the frame?

It occurs to me that the electric drive folks might need this sort of system once batteries shrink by a few orders of magnitude.

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Bill Van Vlack
'76 Royale; Guemes Island, Washington; Twin bed, full (DS) side bath, Brazilian Redwood counter and settee tops,455, 6KW generator; new owner a/o mid
November 2015.

[Hal StClair via Gmclist]

As I'm building a new frame a loop will be required for axle/half shaft clearance. Driving the rear wheels should let me hide any in floor intrusion
of the differential or half shafts (if necessary, it'll be close) under the bed. The stretch makes room for the rear wheel drive with about a foot
extension behind the axle. The taller new frame will help with ground clearance especially with the 12" added overhang.
Lots of fun, thanks for watching.

Hal
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1977 Royale 101348,

1977 Royale 101586, Diesel powered,

1975 Eleganza II, 101230,

1974 Eagle Bus 45',w/slideout,

Rio Rancho, NM

[Chip Chebuhar via Gmclist]

Hal:

Sounds like a cool project!

Any pics posted yet / how do I follow along?

Thx - Chip

Sent from the Mac in my pocket

> On May 16, 2020, at 1:32 PM, Hal StClair via Gmclist <gmc...@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>
> As I'm building a new frame a loop will be required for axle/half shaft clearance. Driving the rear wheels should let me hide any in floor intrusion

[Billy Massey via Gmclist]

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Sounds like a cool project!

Any pics posted yet / how do I follow along?

[Chip Chebuhar via Gmclist]

Thanks Billy.

Chip

> On May 16, 2020, at 5:39 PM, Billy Massey via Gmclist <gmc...@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
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> 

[Richard via Gmclist]

Hal,

How much higher do you reckon the floor will be?
I'm assuming you're using the stock front clip, minus the engine and transmission, so the new frame is from the front clip back, right?

I'm having visions of a lift-the-body & remove-the-front-clip GMC rejuvenation drive-through! 😉

Richard

--
'77 Birchaven TZE...777;
'76 Palm Beach with 18,477 verified miles;
‘76 Edgemonte

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[Hal StClair via Gmclist]

Richard, if even with the floor the differential would hang below the chassis about 3 1/2" which would equate to about 5 1/2-6" ground clearance
depending on ride height. I can easily lower the bogey box another inch if necessary to raise that number and keep rear geometry and handling
characteristics intact. The average auto has about 6" and we usually have a toad which has less than that (Mini Cooper). And yes on the new frame. I'd
love to redo the front with more caster and maybe a rack and pinion but that would open up a whole new can of worms. I wish I'd have gotten into GMC's
earlier but it is what it is.

Hal
--
1977 Royale 101348,

1977 Royale 101586, Diesel powered,

1975 Eleganza II, 101230,

1974 Eagle Bus 45',w/slideout,

Rio Rancho, NM

[Hal StClair via Gmclist]

Got a little more done, here's a bit of it;
https://youtu.be/QjazAlBQFH4
Hal

[Richard via Gmclist]

Hal,

My definition of 'little' differs from yours... by a lot!

Your build would interest probably only 95% of motor-heads, fabricators, makers, etc, and 100% of a guy who wouldn't mind being your agent scheduling
your interviews when you start making the rounds.

Richard
--
'77 Birchaven TZE...777;
'76 Palm Beach with 18,477 verified miles;
‘76 Edgemonte

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[Ken Henderson via Gmclist]

Hal,

Since I certainly don't have the 20-30 years left to try to catch up with
your skills, I especially appreciate your letting us follow along! :-)

Ken H.
Americus, GA
'76 X-Birchaven w/Cad500/Howell EFI & EBL,
Manny Brakes & 1-Ton, Troy-Bilt APU, etc., etc., etc.
www.gmcwipersetc.com

[Hal StClair via Gmclist]

Thanks guys, it is fun-mostly. That gutting of the Royale hasn't been much fun though. The fabrication stuff, now that is fun. Lots of new stuff to
piece together.
Hal
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"I enjoy talking to you. Your mind appeals to me. It resembles my own mind, except you happen to be insane."

1977 Royale 101348,

1977 Royale 101586, Diesel powered,

[Todd Sullivan via Gmclist]

Gutting the coach is a lot more “fun” than rebuilding it imo.

I sure enjoy watching your process. Please keep it up.

Sully
Bellevue wa

[6cuda6--- via Gmclist]

Yes i love watching the skills and creativeness of others....its inspires us all keep goong with our tiny projects :d

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Rich Mondor,

Brockville, ON

77 Hughes 2600

[Les Burt via Gmclist]

Hal,
Nice work.
In your video, you rest the bogie box on a short piece of 2x3 tubing, making it appear as though you are spacing the box outwards from the framerail. I assume this is not the case and that the short 2x3 tube will fit behind the large plate when all is assembled.

I am following this closely. You are creating what I’ve wanted to do for years. Lack of available time, and a CFO with different views has been my limiting factor.

Les Burt
Montreal
'75 Eleganza 26'

> On Jun 6, 2020, at 10:31 AM, 6cuda6--- via Gmclist <gmc...@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>
> Yes i love watching the skills and creativeness of others....its inspires us all keep goong with our tiny projects :d

[Hal StClair via Gmclist]

I used the 2x3 tube just as a temp. spacer to show the relationship to the frame. The bogey box will be 2" below the normal location on the frame
though. It helps give the differential some needed extra ground clearance ( a smidgen over 8") as well as the engine/trans. And yes, the plate will be
in front of the 2" drop.
I'm blessed to have a CFO that's very understanding with all my unorthodox building. Things have usually come to fruition in the past and I pray this
one will also.

Hal
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"I enjoy talking to you. Your mind appeals to me. It resembles my own mind, except you happen to be insane."

1977 Royale 101348,

1977 Royale 101586, Diesel powered,



1974 Eagle Bus 45',w/slideout,

Rio Rancho, NM

[Richard via Gmclist]

Hal,

Your new frame is going to have deeper frame rail channels, right? You know how when the coach is at the proper ride height the belt line isn't
level, it's down at the back? I'm trying to picture if the change in frame rails will provide an opportunity to 'level' the body.

I've been tied up with prepping to leave Phoenix, so I'm behind in things. Was I supposed to set up a GoFundHalGMCFab account...? There are a whole
slew of things I'm putting on the list for you to fix! :)

Richard
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'77 Birchaven TZE...777;
'76 Palm Beach with 18,477 verified miles;
‘76 Edgemonte

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[Hal StClair via Gmclist]

Richard, the frame won't change the ride attitude but adding the 2" under the bogey box will. It should make it close to level I'd guess. Now that
GoFundMe idea sounds interresting...maybe NOT. :d

Hal
--
"I enjoy talking to you. Your mind appeals to me. It resembles my own mind, except you happen to be insane."

1977 Royale 101348,

1977 Royale 101586, Diesel powered,



1974 Eagle Bus 45',w/slideout,

Rio Rancho, NM

[Les Burt via Gmclist]

Having a taller frame rail was an idea I’ve tossed about since I’ve owned a TZE. If I ever have some new rails manufactured, I intend to make them 2“ taller. This allows a bunch of potential. Originally I wanted the extra 2“ of engine to hatch clearance, but the taller rails also permit deeper custom fuel and holding tanks, more room for under tank insulation, and slightly larger tire diameters. What I know I won’t like is the higher body stance. I like the low stance of the stock coaches.

Hal’s RWD mods make me want to try building a custom 23’ coach with all 4 rear wheels driven. It would be a decent camper for mild offroad use. Not too long, not too heavy, soft ride, and decent traction.

Les Burt
Montreal
'75 Eleganza 26'

> On Jun 8, 2020, at 12:09 AM, Hal StClair via Gmclist <gmc...@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>
> Richard, the frame won't change the ride attitude but adding the 2" under the bogey box will. It should make it close to level I'd guess. Now that

[Hal StClair via Gmclist]

Less, I raised the body 2.5" on my first build (6.5 Diesel with 4l80e trans) and added the ground effects fiberglass all around that hides the frame.
It worked fine and I was able to build a 75 gallon single fuel tank with the added height provided. It also let the engine hatch remain virtually
intact. This build should let me use the engine/trans compartment to great advantage for a generator (5kw 2 cylinder Kabota) as well as a fuel tank,
and batteries. There should be room for holding tanks where the gas tanks once resided with an added 1" height and an extra foot of length in front of
the wheels. I shouldn't need to add the ground effects, maybe only adding wheel well flares to hide the height increase. Still a lot in limbo at this
juncture.

[John Wright via Gmclist]

All the Buskirk stretch coaches were raised a little over 2”, I have MPFI and everything clears without raising the engine door.

JR Wright

[Hal StClair via Gmclist]

Made a small detour to meet with Manny so lost a few days but here is some progress on the build. Getting into some of the fun 'stuff'
Hal

https://youtu.be/j2_M2Nwvkqo

[Ken Henderson via Gmclist]

Only one thing I can say: WOW!!!

Ken H.

[Billy Massey via Gmclist]

Link to the series for all Hal's followers. Hit the SUBSCRIBE button.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3h98fonJ-EKPA8QljzKhjQ

Blanca does and exceptional job as a videographer. :-)

Thanks so much for sharing, Hal. This is most excellent!

bdub

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Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 8:54 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] New build (maybe)

Made a small detour to meet with Manny so lost a few days but here is some
progress on the build. Getting into some of the fun 'stuff'
Hal

https://youtu.be/j2_M2Nwvkqo
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"I enjoy talking to you. Your mind appeals to me. It resembles my own mind,
except you happen to be insane."

[Hal StClair via Gmclist]

Thank you Billy, you brought a big smile to Blanca's face. She really tries hard to get it right.
Hal

--
"I enjoy talking to you. Your mind appeals to me. It resembles my own mind, except you happen to be insane."

1977 Royale 101348,

1977 Royale 101586, Diesel powered,



1974 Eagle Bus 45',w/slideout,

Rio Rancho, NM

[Richard via Gmclist]

bdub wrote on Fri, 26 June 2020 06:03

> Blanca does and exceptional job as a videographer.

> bdub

Hey!! Spoiler Alert! Billy, the big reveal of the videographer was going to be the, ahem, focus of the Season 2 premiere episode!

Hal, these leaks are going to hurt our hopes for a syndication deal. Just saying.

Richard

PS Blanca does an excellent job. She anticipates what will be the clearest view highlighting what you're explaining. My compliments!

--
'77 Birchaven TZE...777;
'76 Palm Beach with 18,477 verified miles;
‘76 Edgemonte

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[Hal StClair via Gmclist]

Funny you should mention those mini split Kerry. A friend, retired A/C guy and I have been brain storming on installing one in this new rig. Putting
the condensor up front with the radiator probably won't work but there are other possile locations.
My DMax is set at 800 ft lb's so I'd guess it SHOULD work. Only a 6 speed though :lol: .
And just what kind of parts coach do you have?
Have fun, Hal

--
"I enjoy talking to you. Your mind appeals to me. It resembles my own mind, except you happen to be insane."

1977 Royale 101348,

1977 Royale 101586, Diesel powered,



1974 Eagle Bus 45',w/slideout,

Rio Rancho, NM

[Bill Van Vlack via Gmclist]

These guys make a rooftop heat pump. The smallest is 6-8KW or about 21K BTUs using 47 amps @ 12V. It would be great is they made one using mini-split
technology.
--
Bill Van Vlack
'76 Royale; Guemes Island, Washington; Twin bed, full (DS) side bath, Brazilian Redwood counter and settee tops,455, 6KW generator; new owner a/o mid
November 2015.

[Hal StClair via Gmclist]

Here's another clip of the project.
Just to clarify a bit, the caliper I plan on using is an electric Tesla piece.
Hope you enjoy, thanks for watching, Hal

https://youtu.be/tZN29BVkAF8

--
"I enjoy talking to you. Your mind appeals to me. It resembles my own mind, except you happen to be insane."

1977 Royale 101348,

1977 Royale 101586, Diesel powered,



1974 Eagle Bus 45',w/slideout,

Rio Rancho, NM

[Keith V via Gmclist]

Thats pretty awesome. What engine are you using again?
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From: Gmclist <gmclist...@list.gmcnet.org> on behalf of Hal StClair via Gmclist <gmc...@list.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 11:16 PM
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Cc: Hal StClair <eaglefab...@gmail.com>

Subject: Re: [GMCnet] New build (maybe)

[Hal StClair via Gmclist]

It's a 2007 Duramax and 6 speed Allison, set at 400 hp and 800 lbft of tq. Its a LBZ, probably the best of the D Maxes for swaps. It came out of a
C5500 truck.
Hal

[Johnny Bridges via Gmclist]

Hal, Bianca is an accomplished videographer. Ask her if she might have some interest in videoing dog shows. They're fun, most have RV slots, and
there's a dime or two to be made. I guarantee you, any GMC will draw a crowd at one.

johnny
--
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell

[Keith V via Gmclist]

800 ft lbs??? holy smokes, I suppose it peaks at something like 1600 rpm too
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Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 3:21 PM
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] New build (maybe)

[Steve Weinstock via Gmclist]

Hi Hal -

I’ve previously said that your Eagle Bus is the most beautiful and functional custom fabrication work that I’ve ever witnessed - and I’ve
witnessed plenty.

But now - you’ve introduced some fear, uncertainty, and doubt into that statement.

Amazing work - on all levels. Truly amazing.

Steve W
1973 23.
Southern California

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Steve W
1973 : 23'
Southern California

[Hal StClair via Gmclist]

SteveW wrote on Wed, 08 July 2020 23:24

> Hi Hal -
>
> I’ve previously said that your Eagle Bus is the most beautiful and functional custom fabrication work that I’ve ever witnessed - and I’ve
> witnessed plenty.
>
> But now - you’ve introduced some fear, uncertainty, and doubt into that statement.
>
> Amazing work - on all levels. Truly amazing.
>
> Steve W
> 1973 23.
> Southern California

Gee Steve, I don't know how to respond. Thank you doesn't seem to really be adequite. I just hope this build pans out and isn't a dissapointment.
Thank you, Hal

--
"I enjoy talking to you. Your mind appeals to me. It resembles my own mind, except you happen to be insane."

1977 Royale 101348,

1977 Royale 101586, Diesel powered,

1974 Eagle Bus 45',w/slideout,

Rio Rancho, NM

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[jdlisenby--- via Gmclist]

Amazing project, I wish I had 1/2 of your fabrication skills!
--
JD Lisenby- USAF Ret
1978 Royale-455
MacDash, Manny Tranny, FI-tech, 3.70 etc etc

Navarre, FL

[Hal StClair via Gmclist]

Did another update;

https://youtu.be/klU7tvqQPLo

Hal
--
"I enjoy talking to you. Your mind appeals to me. It resembles my own mind, except you happen to be insane."

1977 Royale 101348,

1977 Royale 101586, Diesel powered,



1974 Eagle Bus 45',w/slideout,

Rio Rancho, NM

[6cuda6--- via Gmclist]

Great stuff Hal!!

--
Rich Mondor,

Brockville, ON

77 Hughes 2600

[Bill Van Vlack via Gmclist]

Thanks for sharing, Hal. Curious about the changes you've made to the front end suspension geometry vs the stock or 1-Ton kit.

--
Bill Van Vlack
'76 Royale; Guemes Island, Washington; Twin bed, full (DS) side bath, Brazilian Redwood counter and settee tops,455, 6KW generator; new owner a/o mid
November 2015.

[Hal StClair via Gmclist]

I used a 1997 one ton frame and built a jig with the locating points for the control arms, shock mounts and snubbers. The idea is to keep the geometry
exactly as the one ton truck was and use the stock components. The GM trucks came with either a stamped steel or forged lower control arm. The forged
ones I'm using are real monsters with T Bar sockets that should never fail. I will probably need to ream the knuckle to accept the tie rod ends as
they need to connect higher than previously but other than that everything is OEM, unmodified. The T bars are 1.75" vs the 1.5" GMC and slightly
shorter (about 4.25"). GM offered a lot of options in spring rates, maybe 17? so finding one that works shouldn't be too difficult. The bars I will
start with were used on a single cab truck.
One thing that threw me off was the stock angle of the lower control arms on the GMC. I tried to mimic it with the other mounting locations but had a
little bit of 'stinkin thinkin' on that one and it cost me a weeks work in the redo. The caster was way off with that setup. The truck mounts the
lower control arms parallel with the ground as I have now done.
Like I said before, there are a lot of balls in the air on this build.

Hal
--
"I enjoy talking to you. Your mind appeals to me. It resembles my own mind, except you happen to be insane."

1977 Royale 101348,

1977 Royale 101586, Diesel powered,



1974 Eagle Bus 45',w/slideout,

Rio Rancho, NM

[Randy Hecht via Gmclist]

Great to watch the process and hear how it’s coming together.

Chaplain Randy Hecht
Roswell, GA
Chaplains are ready to Listen when you're ready to talk.

1974 Canyon Lakes GMC the Unicorn Express
80mm Front Disc and a work in progress
Electric Brake Vacuum System

> On Jul 29, 2020, at 11:39, Bill Van Vlack via Gmclist <gmc...@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>
> Thanks for sharing, Hal. Curious about the changes you've made to the front end suspension geometry vs the stock or 1-Ton kit.

[klaussmc--- via Gmclist]

hey i like your video....
do still have the old control arms?
let me know if want sell it...
thx

[Richard via Gmclist]

Hal StClair wrote on Wed, 29 July 2020 09:51

> Like I said before, there are a lot of balls in the air on this build.

It obviously takes a lot of balls to tackle a project like yours. ;)

Richard

--
'77 Birchaven TZE...777;
'76 Palm Beach with 18,477 verified miles;
‘76 Edgemonte

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[Hal StClair via Gmclist]

Richard, I think you must mean nuts. One has to be 'nuts' to tackle a project like this. :lol:
Hal

Richard RV wrote on Fri, 11 September 2020 07:21

> Hal StClair wrote on Wed, 29 July 2020 09:51
> > Like I said before, there are a lot of balls in the air on this build.
>
> It obviously takes a lot of balls to tackle a project like yours. ;)
>
> Richard


--

"I enjoy talking to you. Your mind appeals to me. It resembles my own mind, except you happen to be insane."

1977 Royale 101348,

1977 Royale 101586, Diesel powered,



1974 Eagle Bus 45',w/slideout,

Rio Rancho, NM

[Hal StClair via Gmclist]

Got another update. Was out of town for a month so things have been a little slow.
Also have been moving in a little different direction than I had planned which is eating into the time. I think the Dana 70 will probably be the
best/strongest way to go even if it takes a little redo work. Hope people enjoy. Hal

https://youtu.be/8s0L0KBi6AY

[Richard via Gmclist]

Hal, we're going to need bleacher seating in your shop. There's lots of interest in watching you work on the GMC St Clair®️ and I've started
selling tickets. I've already made some arrangements for the concession stand. :)

Richard
--
'77 Birchaven TZE...777;
'76 Palm Beach with 18,477 verified miles;
‘76 Edgemonte

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[Ken Henderson via Gmclist]

Sign me up for a box seat.

Ken H.

On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 9:55 AM Richard via Gmclist <gmc...@list.gmcnet.org>
wrote:

[Hal StClair via Gmclist]

Well at least someone might make some money off this project Richard-it sure won't be me :lol:
And thanks for the input. There hasn't seemed to be much interest/trafic via my video's and I was wondering if I should continue them.
Hal

--
"I enjoy talking to you. Your mind appeals to me. It resembles my own mind, except you happen to be insane."

1977 Royale 101348,

1977 Royale 101586, Diesel powered,



1974 Eagle Bus 45',w/slideout,

Rio Rancho, NM

[Bruce Hart via Gmclist]

I'll take a seat as well!!😀😀

--
Bruce Hart
1976 Palm Beach
Milliken, Co
GMC=Got More Class

[Gary Bovee via Gmclist]

Hal,

Keep making those videos. I really enjoy watching how your masterpiece is coming together!

I wish I had your skill set.

Gary Bovee
Red Bluff, CA
1978 GMC Royale
www.gmcidiotsguide.com

[Douglas Smith via Gmclist]

Hal,
You have unique skills and resources, working on a unique motorhome, chasing a build that most of us could only dream of.
My guess is that GMC owners as a group have 1/5th of your skills and 2/3rds of your passion to enjoy and improve their coaches.
Successfully diagnosing and solving problems is one of the joys of our coaches and also one of necessity.
Therefore, watching someone as creative, resourceful and accomplished as you solve such unusual problems in what will eventually look something like
what I drive is equal parts amazing, instructive and jealousy inducing.
Don't you dare stop doing the videos, and tell your lovely wife her documenting is perfect.
You are preaching to a choir that appreciates what you are doing very much.
Doug
--
Douglas & Virginia Smith
dsmithy18 at gmail
Lincoln Nebraska
’73 “Canyonlands” since ‘95: Wanabizo"
Quadrabag/6 wheel disks/3;70 final/Paterson QuadraJet/Thorley’s/Alloy wheels(finally!)/Sundry other

[Richard via Gmclist]

Definitely keep making the videos and posting them, Hal. If Wilbur and Orville had filmed their earliest tinkering and distributed it so others could
benefit and build on that work we'd already be running hotdog stands on the Moon.

Did you ever see the movie Field of Dreams? "Build it and they will come."

Richard
--
'77 Birchaven TZE...777;
'76 Palm Beach with 18,477 verified miles;
‘76 Edgemonte

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[John Shutzbaugh via Gmclist]

Ditto what dsmithy said!

JohnS
--
John Shutzbaugh, Vacaville, CA, ncs...@aol.com;
77 Eleganza, bought it new, can't blame PO; and
78 Buskirk stretch, "What were we thinking?"

[Billy Massey via Gmclist]

We are currently at a lication with barely accessable internet so cannot
view. But will ASAP.
I'm amazed and entertained by your and Biancas work.
Please don't stop! :-)
Bdub

[James Hupy via Gmclist]

Hey, Hal and your own personal Video Grapher.
Things are still smokin' here in Oregon, but the fires are mostly
contained. A good thing. The towns up in the Canyon don't exist anymore,
totally destroyed. That includes Detroit, and the two marinas at the lake,
most of the town of Gates, much of Lyons, some of Mehama. All of Jawbone
Flats, and much of the old growth forests surrounding it succumbed to the
fires as well. Nearly all the State Parks, and County Parks in the area of
Little North Fork of the Santiam River, and the canyon from Detroit dam to
Mehama on the Santiam River are heavily impacted. The main road from the
Willamete Valley to Sisters and Central Oregon is still closed and is
likely to remain that way for some time, due to downed trees, power lines,
destroyed guard rails, road signs, etc. That does not even talk about
Medford, Phoenix, Talent, etc. Different fires, same results.
But, please continue to videotape your work on your current pusher
project. Many of us are really interested in your efforts. Inspiration to
all of us "gearheads" in GMC Land.
Still smokin'!!
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon

[Hal StClair via Gmclist]

Gee folks, I'm really flattered at the remarks although I'm sure there are others here that could do the same if they wished and had the facilities.
I'm just a backyard wannabe engineer having fun. I'm blessed to have the resorces and a wife that is on board (and pretty good with the camera to
boot).
I'll be sure to continue with the videos and hope that if/when I make blunders the brain trust here might step in and offer suggestions.
Thank you again for the kind remarks, Hal

Proprietor of Papa's Garage :lol:

--
"I enjoy talking to you. Your mind appeals to me. It resembles my own mind, except you happen to be insane."

1977 Royale 101348,

1977 Royale 101586, Diesel powered,



1974 Eagle Bus 45',w/slideout,

Rio Rancho, NM

[Todd Sullivan via Gmclist]

👍

[Johnny Bridges via Gmclist]

Hal is hiding his technical/fab expertise under a bushel here. For those who haven't had the privilege of visiting the StClair demesne and touring
the Olds wagon, and the Eagle with the raised roof and the front drive Diesel GMC and the split window 'Vette undergoing a frame - off may not realize
this build is merely a step up from the past. I might add EVERYthing there looks like it came from the factory, if the factory had about three times
the normal QC stress. I'm holding off for the clean sheet motor home - I'm sure it's in mind for the future!

--johnny

--
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell

[James Hupy via Gmclist]

If you haven't had the distinct pleasure of seeing his bus, you have missed
the 8th wonder of the civilized world. I am not exaggerating much here.
It started out as a Prevost (i think) it has been gutted, widened,
roof raised, lengthened, re-powered, (not just engine, but transmission,
differential, turbos, on board generator, Air conditioning, not a stone
unturned here. I am unable to describe the interior adequately. I do not
posses enough superlatives in my vocabulary. It really needs to be seen in
person.
Anything he touches receives the same treatment. Master Craftsman only
touches his skill set. And it takes a whole bunch of skill to impress me.
So, his current project bears close attention. Amazing, does not even begin
to cover it.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon

[Billy Massey via Gmclist]

I'm here to tell ya, Jim's not exaggerating on this one. That bus is
amazing!

bdub

On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 12:05 PM James Hupy via Gmclist <
gmc...@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:

> If you haven't had the distinct pleasure of seeing his bus, you have missed
> the 8th wonder of the civilized world. I am not exaggerating much here.
> It started out as a Prevost (i think) it has been gutted, widened,
> roof raised, lengthened, re-powered, (not just engine, but transmission,
> differential, turbos, on board generator, Air conditioning, not a stone
> unturned here. I am unable to describe the interior adequately. I do not
> posses enough superlatives in my vocabulary. It really needs to be seen in
> person.
> Anything he touches receives the same treatment. Master Craftsman only
> touches his skill set. And it takes a whole bunch of skill to impress me.
> So, his current project bears close attention. Amazing, does not even begin
> to cover it.
>

[Douglas Smith via Gmclist]

So he's got a reworked Prevost that's kinda nice?
Oh yeah...
So where's da pictures?

I've seen what Hal can do from his videos, and his problem solving is clearly "genius-at-work" but I have not seen a finished project.
Time to appeal to his videographer bride???

--
Douglas & Virginia Smith
dsmithy18 at gmail
Lincoln Nebraska
’73 “Canyonlands” since ‘95: "Wanabizo";
Quadrabag/6 wheel disks/3:70 final/Paterson QuadraJet/Thorley’s/Alloy wheels(finally!)/Sundry other

[Hal StClair via Gmclist]

Actually it's an Eagle bus, former Trailways unit.
Last year at a rally in Oregon a fellow did a video, here's the link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMDS9gcbs0Q&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR2PIgm-z-YcmQe3PMwNl-pi9TR6K5lboc5Yk0PvTBMZuXs1FjKMKRwxtkI&ab_channel=ThisOldBus

Hal

--
"I enjoy talking to you. Your mind appeals to me. It resembles my own mind, except you happen to be insane."

1977 Royale 101348,

1977 Royale 101586, Diesel powered,



1974 Eagle Bus 45',w/slideout,

Rio Rancho, NM

[Mike Hamm via Gmclist]

WOW!

Hal StClair wrote on Mon, 12 October 2020 00:25

> Actually it's an Eagle bus, former Trailways unit.
> Last year at a rally in Oregon a fellow did a video, here's the link.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMDS9gcbs0Q&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR2PIgm-z-YcmQe3PMwNl-pi9TR6K5lboc5Yk0PvTBMZuXs1FjKMKRwxtkI&ab_chann
> el=ThisOldBus
>
> Hal


--

1977 Kingsley 455 as stock as it gets except lots of Ragusa parts

[roy keen via Gmclist]

Hal that coach is fantastic probably better then a 2 million dollar Newell. Your talent is beyond belief.
--
Roy Keen
Minden,NV
76 X Glenbrook

[Douglas Smith via Gmclist]

Wow, Hal...
I stand corrected on the bus, it deserves all the superlatives its collected.
What stops me in my tracks is that not only are you really smart about your improvements, you have the skills (and the discernment with vendors) to
actually realize them. Oh, and you actually bring your projects to completion, unlike most of us. (Sez the guy with his new air pump still mounted
with zip ties.) Sigh.
The guys at Prevost and other high-end builders should be following you around taking notes.

One example; Va and I travel and discover by sharing with each other moment by moment. I would never consider a high-end coach (even if I could afford
it) where the passenger seat is aft of the drivers seat to accommodate the original entry door. That would put my best-friend/lover/bride out of my
immediate space. Your solution to move the steering to enable side-by-side seating is a brilliant solution, thus solving a problem no one else even
mentions. Yet, side-by-side seating is central to my/our travel experience. Well done sir.

Don't stop the videos or I will hunt you down.
Doug

--
Douglas & Virginia Smith
dsmithy18 at gmail
Lincoln Nebraska
’73 “Canyonlands” since ‘95: "Wanabizo";
Quadrabag/6 wheel disks/3:70 final/Paterson QuadraJet/Thorley’s/Alloy wheels(finally!)/Sundry other

[James Hupy via Gmclist]

Like I said. It defies description with the words that I posses in my
vocabulary. Absolutely speechless. Anything that he touches describes
description. No stone unturned. No detail left to chance. Every mechanical
detail attended to.
Master of his trade doesn't even touch his abilities. I served an
apprenticeship in Power Mechanics and Small Engine Repair. I still hold a
journeyman's certification. I have seen a whole bunch of very, very skilled
technicians in my lifetime, and he is got to be in the very best of the
very best in his trade. Artist can't describe it. His work serves as an
inspiration to all of us to strive to do our very best work, every time
out.
'Nuff said.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon

[Hal StClair via Gmclist]

Funny you should mention moving the steering wheel, in my original design I had the front floor moving over 8.5". I couldn't figure a great way to
conceal and seal the gap and I was concerned with the integrity of the seat on a movable platform. After changing the column location, we had the
seats narrowed 2" and both promised ourselves we wouldn't bulk up enough not fit comfortably. It's worked.
There were quite a few details that were left off the video, too much 'gear head' stuff I guess .
Thank everyone for their nice comments, I'm embarrassed.

Hal
--
"I enjoy talking to you. Your mind appeals to me. It resembles my own mind, except you happen to be insane."

1977 Royale 101348,

1977 Royale 101586, Diesel powered,



1974 Eagle Bus 45',w/slideout,

Rio Rancho, NM

[Hal StClair via Gmclist]

Got another update.
https://youtu.be/PHTRaijJQO0

[Richard via Gmclist]

Hal,
Ever think about live-streaming your build?

Hal's Socially Distanced Online Work Rally anyone?

I thought I was jesting, but now I'm not so sure. 🤔

Richard
--
'77 Birchaven TZE...777;
'76 Palm Beach with 18,477 verified miles;
‘76 Edgemonte

_______________________________________________

[Dave Stragand via Gmclist]

In the early days of such things (around 2000-2004) I did live stream a complete restoration of a car. It was video only with no sound. It was always amazing to me when I would be doing some mundane task like chasing threads or rewrapping wiring harnesses and I’d notice there were like 50 people watching me. One person’s boring task is another person’s entertainment, so with how easy it is today to live stream, why not give it a shot?

-Dave
1978 Transmode near Pittsburgh

> On Nov 12, 2020, at 12:51 PM, Richard via Gmclist <gmc...@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hal,

[Hal StClair via Gmclist]

And let everyone see all my mistakes? :lol:
I did get the differential all together today but the axles are 12 weeks out-ouch. With the holidays fast approaching I'm afraid things are going slow
a bit. Always spend time with the family and the closest ones are in Las Vegas, 600 miles from here. After Christmas there's Quartzsite so like I
said, things will have to slow down I'm afraid
Hal.

--
"I enjoy talking to you. Your mind appeals to me. It resembles my own mind, except you happen to be insane."

1977 Royale 101348,

1977 Royale 101586, Diesel powered,



1974 Eagle Bus 45',w/slideout,

Rio Rancho, NM

[Douglas Smith via Gmclist]

Hal,
Not to worry. Have a good holiday(s). Even though we've never met and likely never will, your sharing your journey with the GMC makes us friends. We
are more than acquaintinses because I am familiar with what you're doing more than the average civilian, and I appreciate your engineering and
attention to detail. The legion of us following your work are patient and celebrate your health and willingness to share your progress.

--
Douglas & Virginia Smith
dsmithy18 at gmail
Lincoln Nebraska
’73 “Canyonlands” since ‘95: "Wanabizo";
Quadrabag/6 wheel disks/3:70 final/Paterson QuadraJet/Thorley’s/Alloy wheels(finally!)/Sundry other

[Hal StClair via Gmclist]

Thank you Douglas, I certainly appreciate your post. It seems the whole GMC comunity are really friends even if we haven't officially met.
This project is quite an under taking and keeping motivated can sometimes be a challange. Life can sometimes have its way in affairs. Receiving
feedback and knowing others are following along really helps. I understand there is a wide range of skill sets here, some more into the actual 'nut
and bolts' than others but I really appreciate it when the real gear heads join in.
Thank you again and I hope that one day we'll meet in person.
Hal

--
"I enjoy talking to you. Your mind appeals to me. It resembles my own mind, except you happen to be insane."

1977 Royale 101348,

1977 Royale 101586, Diesel powered,



1974 Eagle Bus 45',w/slideout,

Rio Rancho, NM

[Richard via Gmclist]

Hal StClair wrote on Thu, 12 November 2020 22:17

> And let everyone see all my mistakes? :lol:

Hal, you bring up an interesting point. A few questions:

Have you ever had a project worth doing where you haven't made mistakes?
Do you learn more from the mistakes or from something that works the first time?
Is it possible to have projects or phases of a project work the first time without having a whole lot of learning experiences before that?

Mistakes are what makes us who we are. They are are what experience is built on.

I guess what I'm saying, Hal, is what with your capabilities and experience you must've made a _lot_ of mistakes along the way. Probably more than
most because you're such an ambitious guy.

I'm not trying to convince you to really live stream your build, but if you did I'll be stocking up on my supply of Orville Redenbacher. 😉

Thanks for taking us along for the ride.

Richard

--
'77 Birchaven TZE...777;
'76 Palm Beach with 18,477 verified miles;
‘76 Edgemonte

_______________________________________________

[Hal StClair via Gmclist]

Got another short one up.
Hal

https://youtu.be/9sE72ZFD2Tw

--
"I enjoy talking to you. Your mind appeals to me. It resembles my own mind, except you happen to be insane."

1977 Royale 101348,

1977 Royale 101586, Diesel powered,



1974 Eagle Bus 45',w/slideout,

Rio Rancho, NM

[Billy Massey via Gmclist]

Thank you, Hal and Blanca. Very nice!

[Scott Nutter via Gmclist]

WOW!!! I am completely blown away......you guys are amazing. Those are million dollar ideas being released!! If I had your brains and talents, I
wouldn’t be doing what I do...... I feel lucky just to know you guys..
--
Scott Nutter
1978 Royale Center Kitchen, Patterson 455, switch pitch tranny, 3.21 final drive, Quad bags, tankless water heater, everything Lenzi. Alex Ferrera
installed MSD Atomic EFI
Houston, Texas

[Bill Van Vlack]

For a couple of Brits that have the same gene as Hal... check out these guys:

https://www.youtube.com/c/BadObsessionMotorsport/videos

Particularly the 'Escargot' videos for their take on the motorhome genre.

And for some perspective on those long rebuilds as applied to Toads.. "Project Binky".
--
Bill Van Vlack
'76 Royale; Guemes Island, Washington; Twin bed, full (DS) side bath, Brazilian Redwood counter and settee tops,455, 6KW generator; new owner a/o mid
November 2015.