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Richard Keebler <Richkeebler trumpite.ru> wrote:
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> How Trump Is Ending the American Era
> For all the visible damage the president has done to the nation's global
> standing, things are much worse below the surface.
>
> In January 2017, American foreign policy was, if not in crisis, in big
> trouble. Strong forces were putting stress on the old global political
> order: the rise of China to a power with more than half the productive
> capacity of the United States (and defense spending to match); the partial
> recovery of a resentful Russia under a skilled and thuggish autocrat; the
> discrediting of Western elites by the financial crash of 2008, followed by
> roiling populist waves, of which Trump himself was part; a turbulent
> Middle East; economic dislocations worldwide.
>
> An American leadership that had partly discredited itself over the past
> generation compounded these problems. The Bush administration's war
> against jihadist Islam had been undermined by reports of mistreatment and
> torture; its Afghan campaign had been inconclusive; its invasion of Iraq
> had been deeply compromised by what turned out to be a false premise and
> three years of initial mismanagement.
>
> The Obama administration's policy of retrenchment (described by a White
> House official as "leading from behind") made matters worse. The United
> States was generally passive as a war that caused some half a million
> deaths raged in Syria. The ripples of the conflict reached far into
> Europe, as some 5 million Syrians fled the country. A red line about the
> use of chemical weapons turned pale pink and vanished, as Iran and Russia
> expanded their presence and influence in Syria ever more brazenly. A
> debilitating freeze in defense spending, meanwhile, left two-thirds of
> U.S. Army maneuver brigades unready to fight and Air Force pilots unready
> to fly in combat.
>
> These circumstances would have caused severe headaches for a competent and
> sophisticated successor. Instead, the United States got a president who
> had unnervingly promised a wall on the southern border (paid for by
> Mexico), the dismantlement of long-standing trade deals with both
> competitors and partners, a closer relationship with Vladimir Putin, and a
> ban on Muslims coming into the United States.
>
> Some of these and Trump's other wild pronouncements were quietly walked
> back or put on hold after his inauguration; one defense of Trump is that
> his deeds are less alarming than his words. But diplomacy is about words,
> and many of Trump's words are profoundly toxic.
>
> Trump seems incapable of restraining himself from insulting foreign
> leaders. His slogan "America First" harks back to the isolationists of
> 1940, and foreign leaders know it. He can read speeches written for him by
> others, as he did in Warsaw on July 6, but he cannot himself articulate a
> worldview that goes beyond a teenager's bluster. He lays out his
> resentments, insecurities, and obsessions on Twitter for all to see,
> opening up a gold mine to foreign governments seeking to understand and
> manipulate the American president.
>
> Foreign governments have adapted. They flatter Trump outrageously. Their
> emissaries stay at his hotels and offer the Trump Organization abundant
> concessions (39 trademarks approved by China alone since Trump took
> office, including one for an escort service). They take him to military
> parades; they talk tough-guy-to-tough-guy; they show him the kind of
> deference that only someone without a center can crave. And so he flip-
> flops: Paris was no longer "so, so out of control, so dangerous" once he'd
> had dinner in the Eiffel Tower; Xi Jinping, during an April visit to Mar-
> a-Lago, went from being the leader of a parasitic country intent on
> ripping off American workers to being "a gentleman" who "wants to do the
> right thing." (By July, Trump was back to bashing China, for doing
> "NOTHING" to help us.)
>
>
> In short, foreign leaders may consider Trump alarming, but they do not
> consider him serious. They may think they can use him, but they know they
> cannot rely on him. They look at his plans to slash the State Department's
> ranks and its budget-the latter by about 30 percent-and draw conclusions
> about his interest in traditional diplomacy. And so, already, they have
> begun to reshape alliances and reconfigure the networks that make up the
> global economy, bypassing the United States and diminishing its standing.
> In January, at the World Economic Forum, in Davos, Switzerland, Xi made a
> case for Chinese global leadership that was startlingly well received by
> the rich and powerful officials, businesspeople, and experts in
> attendance. In March, Canada formally joined a Chinese-led regional
> development bank that the Obama administration had opposed as an
> instrument of broadened Chinese influence; Australia, the United Kingdom,
> Germany, and France were among the founding members. In July, Japan and
> Europe agreed on a free-trade deal as an alternative to the Trans-Pacific
> Partnership, which Trump had unceremoniously discarded.
>
> In almost every region of the world, the administration has already left a
> mark, by blunder, inattention, miscomprehension, or willfulness. Trump's
> first official visit abroad began in Saudi Arabia-a bizarre choice, when
> compared with established democratic allies-where he and his senior
> advisers offered unreserved praise for a kingdom that has close relations
> with the United States but has also been the heartland of Islamist
> fanaticism since well before 9/11. The president full-throatedly took its
> side in a dispute with Qatar, apparently ignorant of the vast American air
> base in the latter country. He has seemed unaware that he is feeding an
> inchoate but violent conflict between the Gulf kingdoms and a
> countervailing coalition of Iran, Russia, Syria, Hezbollah, and even
> Turkey-which now plans to deploy as many as 3,000 troops to Qatar, at its
> first base in the Arab world since the collapse of the Ottoman empire at
> the end of World War I.
>
>
> The administration obsesses about defeating the Islamic State in Iraq and
> Syria, and yet intends to sharply reduce the kinds of advice and support
> that are needed to rebuild the areas devastated by war in those same
> countries-support that might help prevent a future recurrence of Islamist
> fanaticism. The president, entranced by the chimera of an
> Israeli-Palestinian peace, has put his inexperienced and overburdened son-
> in-law, Jared Kushner, in charge of a process headed nowhere. Either
> ignorant or contemptuous of the deep-seated maladies that have long
> afflicted the Arab world, Trump embraces authoritarians like Egypt's
> President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi ("Love your shoes") and seems to dismiss
> the larger problems of governance posed by the crises within Middle
> Eastern societies as internal issues irrelevant to the United States. A
> freedom agenda, in either its original Bush or subsequent Obama form, is
> dead.
>
> In Europe, the administration has picked a fight with the Continent's most
> important democratic state, Germany ("Bad, very bad"). Trump is
> sufficiently despised in Great Britain, America's most enduring ally, that
> he will reportedly defer a trip there until his press improves (it will
> not). Paralyzed by scandal and internal division, the administration has
> no coherent Russia policy: no plan for getting Moscow back out of the
> Middle East; no counter to Russian political subversion in Europe or the
> United States; no response to reports of new Russian meddling in
> Afghanistan. Rather than pushing back when the Russians announced in July
> that 755 U.S. government employees would be expelled, Trump expressed his
> thanks for saving taxpayers 755 salaries.
>
> America's new circumstances in Asia were not much better as this story
> went to press, in mid-August-and with the world on edge, they could
> quickly get much worse. Though North Korea is on the verge of developing a
> nuclear-tipped intercontinental ballistic missile, Trump neglected to
> rally American allies to confront the problem during his two major trips
> abroad. His aides proclaimed that they had discovered the solution,
> Chinese intervention-apparently unaware of the repeated failure of that
> gambit in the Clinton, Bush, and Obama administrations. Trump did,
> however, take a break from a golfing holiday to threaten North Korea with
> "fire and fury" in the event that Kim Jong Un failed to pipe down. To
> accommodate a president fixated on economic deals, an anxious Japan has
> pledged investments that would result in American jobs. A prickly
> Australia, whose prime minister Trump snarled at during their first
> courtesy phone call, has edged further from its traditional alliance with
> America-an alliance that has been the cornerstone of its security since
> World War II. (In a gesture that may seem trivial but signifies much, in
> July Australia's foreign minister, Julie Bishop, slapped at Trump for his
> ogling of the French president's wife, suggesting that his admiring looks
> had gone unreciprocated.)
>
> On issues that are truly global in scope, Trump has abdicated leadership
> and the moral high ground. The United States has managed to isolate itself
> on the topic of climate change, by the tone of its pronouncements no less
> than by its precipitous exit from the Paris Agreement. As for human
> rights, the president has taken only cursory notice of the two arrests of
> the Russian dissident Alexei Navalny or the death of the Chinese Nobel
> Prize winner and prisoner of conscience Liu Xiaobo. Trump did not object
> after Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan's security detail beat
> American protesters on American soil, in Washington, D.C. In April, he
> reportedly told Filipino President Rodrigo Duterte, who has used death
> squads to deal with offenders of local narcotics laws, that he was doing
> an "unbelievable job on the drug problem." Trump's secretary of state, Rex
> Tillerson, made it clear in his first substantive speech to State
> Department employees that American values are now of at best secondary
> importance to "American interests," presumably economic, in the conduct of
> foreign policy.
>
> All this well before a year was out.
>
>
> More here:
>
> https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/10/is-trump-ending-the-
> american-era/537888/
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> How Trump Is Ending the American Era
> For all the visible damage the president has done to the nation's global
> standing, things are much worse below the surface.
>
> In January 2017, American foreign policy was, if not in crisis, in big
> trouble. Strong forces were putting stress on the old global political
> order: the rise of China to a power with more than half the productive
> capacity of the United States (and defense spending to match); the partial
> recovery of a resentful Russia under a skilled and thuggish autocrat; the
> discrediting of Western elites by the financial crash of 2008, followed by
> roiling populist waves, of which Trump himself was part; a turbulent
> Middle East; economic dislocations worldwide.
>
> An American leadership that had partly discredited itself over the past
> generation compounded these problems. The Bush administration's war
> against jihadist Islam had been undermined by reports of mistreatment and
> torture; its Afghan campaign had been inconclusive; its invasion of Iraq
> had been deeply compromised by what turned out to be a false premise and
> three years of initial mismanagement.
>
> The Obama administration's policy of retrenchment (described by a White
> House official as "leading from behind") made matters worse. The United
> States was generally passive as a war that caused some half a million
> deaths raged in Syria. The ripples of the conflict reached far into
> Europe, as some 5 million Syrians fled the country. A red line about the
> use of chemical weapons turned pale pink and vanished, as Iran and Russia
> expanded their presence and influence in Syria ever more brazenly. A
> debilitating freeze in defense spending, meanwhile, left two-thirds of
> U.S. Army maneuver brigades unready to fight and Air Force pilots unready
> to fly in combat.
>
> These circumstances would have caused severe headaches for a competent and
> sophisticated successor. Instead, the United States got a president who
> had unnervingly promised a wall on the southern border (paid for by
> Mexico), the dismantlement of long-standing trade deals with both
> competitors and partners, a closer relationship with Vladimir Putin, and a
> ban on Muslims coming into the United States.
>
> Some of these and Trump's other wild pronouncements were quietly walked
> back or put on hold after his inauguration; one defense of Trump is that
> his deeds are less alarming than his words. But diplomacy is about words,
> and many of Trump's words are profoundly toxic.
>
> Trump seems incapable of restraining himself from insulting foreign
> leaders. His slogan "America First" harks back to the isolationists of
> 1940, and foreign leaders know it. He can read speeches written for him by
> others, as he did in Warsaw on July 6, but he cannot himself articulate a
> worldview that goes beyond a teenager's bluster. He lays out his
> resentments, insecurities, and obsessions on Twitter for all to see,
> opening up a gold mine to foreign governments seeking to understand and
> manipulate the American president.
>
> Foreign governments have adapted. They flatter Trump outrageously. Their
> emissaries stay at his hotels and offer the Trump Organization abundant
> concessions (39 trademarks approved by China alone since Trump took
> office, including one for an escort service). They take him to military
> parades; they talk tough-guy-to-tough-guy; they show him the kind of
> deference that only someone without a center can crave. And so he flip-
> flops: Paris was no longer "so, so out of control, so dangerous" once he'd
> had dinner in the Eiffel Tower; Xi Jinping, during an April visit to Mar-
> a-Lago, went from being the leader of a parasitic country intent on
> ripping off American workers to being "a gentleman" who "wants to do the
> right thing." (By July, Trump was back to bashing China, for doing
> "NOTHING" to help us.)
>
>
> In short, foreign leaders may consider Trump alarming, but they do not
> consider him serious. They may think they can use him, but they know they
> cannot rely on him. They look at his plans to slash the State Department's
> ranks and its budget-the latter by about 30 percent-and draw conclusions
> about his interest in traditional diplomacy. And so, already, they have
> begun to reshape alliances and reconfigure the networks that make up the
> global economy, bypassing the United States and diminishing its standing.
> In January, at the World Economic Forum, in Davos, Switzerland, Xi made a
> case for Chinese global leadership that was startlingly well received by
> the rich and powerful officials, businesspeople, and experts in
> attendance. In March, Canada formally joined a Chinese-led regional
> development bank that the Obama administration had opposed as an
> instrument of broadened Chinese influence; Australia, the United Kingdom,
> Germany, and France were among the founding members. In July, Japan and
> Europe agreed on a free-trade deal as an alternative to the Trans-Pacific
> Partnership, which Trump had unceremoniously discarded.
>
> In almost every region of the world, the administration has already left a
> mark, by blunder, inattention, miscomprehension, or willfulness. Trump's
> first official visit abroad began in Saudi Arabia-a bizarre choice, when
> compared with established democratic allies-where he and his senior
> advisers offered unreserved praise for a kingdom that has close relations
> with the United States but has also been the heartland of Islamist
> fanaticism since well before 9/11. The president full-throatedly took its
> side in a dispute with Qatar, apparently ignorant of the vast American air
> base in the latter country. He has seemed unaware that he is feeding an
> inchoate but violent conflict between the Gulf kingdoms and a
> countervailing coalition of Iran, Russia, Syria, Hezbollah, and even
> Turkey-which now plans to deploy as many as 3,000 troops to Qatar, at its
> first base in the Arab world since the collapse of the Ottoman empire at
> the end of World War I.
>
>
> The administration obsesses about defeating the Islamic State in Iraq and
> Syria, and yet intends to sharply reduce the kinds of advice and support
> that are needed to rebuild the areas devastated by war in those same
> countries-support that might help prevent a future recurrence of Islamist
> fanaticism. The president, entranced by the chimera of an
> Israeli-Palestinian peace, has put his inexperienced and overburdened son-
> in-law, Jared Kushner, in charge of a process headed nowhere. Either
> ignorant or contemptuous of the deep-seated maladies that have long
> afflicted the Arab world, Trump embraces authoritarians like Egypt's
> President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi ("Love your shoes") and seems to dismiss
> the larger problems of governance posed by the crises within Middle
> Eastern societies as internal issues irrelevant to the United States. A
> freedom agenda, in either its original Bush or subsequent Obama form, is
> dead.
>
> In Europe, the administration has picked a fight with the Continent's most
> important democratic state, Germany ("Bad, very bad"). Trump is
> sufficiently despised in Great Britain, America's most enduring ally, that
> he will reportedly defer a trip there until his press improves (it will
> not). Paralyzed by scandal and internal division, the administration has
> no coherent Russia policy: no plan for getting Moscow back out of the
> Middle East; no counter to Russian political subversion in Europe or the
> United States; no response to reports of new Russian meddling in
> Afghanistan. Rather than pushing back when the Russians announced in July
> that 755 U.S. government employees would be expelled, Trump expressed his
> thanks for saving taxpayers 755 salaries.
>
> America's new circumstances in Asia were not much better as this story
> went to press, in mid-August-and with the world on edge, they could
> quickly get much worse. Though North Korea is on the verge of developing a
> nuclear-tipped intercontinental ballistic missile, Trump neglected to
> rally American allies to confront the problem during his two major trips
> abroad. His aides proclaimed that they had discovered the solution,
> Chinese intervention-apparently unaware of the repeated failure of that
> gambit in the Clinton, Bush, and Obama administrations. Trump did,
> however, take a break from a golfing holiday to threaten North Korea with
> "fire and fury" in the event that Kim Jong Un failed to pipe down. To
> accommodate a president fixated on economic deals, an anxious Japan has
> pledged investments that would result in American jobs. A prickly
> Australia, whose prime minister Trump snarled at during their first
> courtesy phone call, has edged further from its traditional alliance with
> America-an alliance that has been the cornerstone of its security since
> World War II. (In a gesture that may seem trivial but signifies much, in
> July Australia's foreign minister, Julie Bishop, slapped at Trump for his
> ogling of the French president's wife, suggesting that his admiring looks
> had gone unreciprocated.)
>
> On issues that are truly global in scope, Trump has abdicated leadership
> and the moral high ground. The United States has managed to isolate itself
> on the topic of climate change, by the tone of its pronouncements no less
> than by its precipitous exit from the Paris Agreement. As for human
> rights, the president has taken only cursory notice of the two arrests of
> the Russian dissident Alexei Navalny or the death of the Chinese Nobel
> Prize winner and prisoner of conscience Liu Xiaobo. Trump did not object
> after Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan's security detail beat
> American protesters on American soil, in Washington, D.C. In April, he
> reportedly told Filipino President Rodrigo Duterte, who has used death
> squads to deal with offenders of local narcotics laws, that he was doing
> an "unbelievable job on the drug problem." Trump's secretary of state, Rex
> Tillerson, made it clear in his first substantive speech to State
> Department employees that American values are now of at best secondary
> importance to "American interests," presumably economic, in the conduct of
> foreign policy.
>
> All this well before a year was out.
>
>
> More here:
>
> https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/10/is-trump-ending-the-
> american-era/537888/
>
>
>
>
>
>
John Doe
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Malcolm McMahon
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John Doe <alway...@message.header> wrote:
>Nims shifting troll, changes follow-up groups...
>
Personally the news service I use (Eternal September) won't accept hugely
>Nims shifting troll, changes follow-up groups...
>
crossposted articles. I often have to trim the vast list of generally
irrelevant groups just to post successfully. Maybe this is the same.
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