Non-inclusion of Gondi language in the FLEx list of the Ethnologue

Mayank Jain

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Mar 25, 2018, 5:27:46 AM3/25/18

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Hi,

I tried to create a new project for Gondi language which is a south-central language in India. However, the process could not be completed because Gondi seems to not included in the ethnologue list provided in FLEx. The ethnologue code of Gondi is gon which can be accessed on https://www.ethnologue.com/language/gon . Please help us in this regard. The following error was flashed before language explorer closed:

Msg: Index was out of range. Must be non-negative and less than the size of the collection.

Parameter name: index

Source: mscorlib

Assembly: mscorlib, Version=4.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=b77a5c561934e089

Stack: at System.ThrowHelper.ThrowArgumentOutOfRangeException(ExceptionArgument argument, ExceptionResource resource)

at SIL.Ethnologue.Ethnologue.GetLanguageNamesLike(String sNameLike, Char chWhichPart) in d:\Fw\fwrepo8.3.11\fw\Lib\src\Ethnologue\Ethnologue.cs:line 522

at SIL.FieldWorks.Common.Controls.LanguageSetup.GetSearchResultSet(String searchText) in d:\Fw\fwrepo8.3.11\fw\Src\Common\Controls\FwControls\LanguageSetup.cs:line 994

at SIL.FieldWorks.Common.Controls.LanguageSetup.LoadList(String searchText, Boolean fShowErrorMessage) in d:\Fw\fwrepo8.3.11\fw\Src\Common\Controls\FwControls\LanguageSetup.cs:line 910

at SIL.FieldWorks.Common.Controls.LanguageSetup.DoInitialSearch() in d:\Fw\fwrepo8.3.11\fw\Src\Common\Controls\FwControls\LanguageSetup.cs:line 806

at SIL.FieldWorks.Common.Controls.LanguageSetup.OnLoad(EventArgs e) in d:\Fw\fwrepo8.3.11\fw\Src\Common\Controls\FwControls\LanguageSetup.cs:line 571

at System.Windows.Forms.UserControl.OnCreateControl()

at System.Windows.Forms.Control.CreateControl(Boolean fIgnoreVisible)

at System.Windows.Forms.Control.CreateControl()

at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WmShowWindow(Message& m)

at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m)

at System.Windows.Forms.ScrollableControl.WndProc(Message& m)

at System.Windows.Forms.Form.WmShowWindow(Message& m)

at System.Windows.Forms.Form.WndProc(Message& m)

at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.OnMessage(Message& m)

at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.WndProc(Message& m)

at System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam)

Thread: Main thread

Thread UI culture: en

Exception: System.ArgumentOutOfRangeException

Additional information about the computer and project:

Version: Version 8.3.11 (apparent build date: 11-Dec-2017)

CommandLine: "C:/Program Files (x86)/SIL/FieldWorks 8/FieldWorks.EXE" -app FLEx

CurrentDirectory: C:\Program Files (x86)\SIL\FieldWorks 8

MachineName: DESKTOP-B3VI5I2

OSVersion: Windows 10

OSRelease: Windows 10

CLR version: 4.0.30319.42000

PhysicalMemory: 4096 Mb

LocalDiskCount: 1

FwProgramDiskSize: 194823 Mb

FwProgramDiskFree: 45168 Mb

WorkingSet: 105623552

UserDomainName: DESKTOP-B3VI5I2

UserName: Mayank

SystemDirectory: C:\Windows\system32

Culture: en-IN

ScreenDpiX: 96

ScreenDpiY: 96

KeyboardAdaptors: WinKeyboardAdaptor

FirstTimeAppHasBeenRun: False

NumberOfLaunches: 254

TotalRuntime: 0:00:00

NumberOfSeriousCrashes: 5

NumberOfAnnoyingCrashes: 1

RuntimeBeforeCrash: 0:00

LoadingProcessId: 0

ShowSideBarSetting: True

ShowStatusBarSetting: True

AutoOpenLastEditedProjectSetting: False

DisableSplashScreenSetting: False

MeasurementUnitSetting: Cm

BackupDirectorySetting: C:\Users\Mayank\Documents\My FieldWorks\Backups

DotNetVersion: 4.0.30319.42000

15:39:12.28 [0x0] Logger started

15:39:13.34 [0x0] Starting app

15:39:13.54 [0x0] Listening on port 9628

15:39:14.23 [0x0] Created application: LexTextApp

15:39:15.57 [0x0] Opening 'Welcome to FieldWorks' dialog

15:39:19.70 [0x0] Closing dialog: New

15:39:19.70 [0x0] Opening New Language Project dialog

15:39:28.72 [0x0] Got exception ArgumentOutOfRangeException

Paul Nelson

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Mar 25, 2018, 6:05:06 AM3/25/18

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please update to the latest version of FieldWorks, which has the latest Ethnologue data.

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Mark Penny

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Mar 26, 2018, 12:28:40 AM3/26/18

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Hi Mayank,

Actually "Gondi" is an entire family of languages (plural) spoken in the central tribal belt of India.

The ethnologue shows "gon" as the macro language code to cover all the different Gondi languages, but when building a database in FLEx, you need to know WHICH of the (approximately) 10 Gondi languages you are using (gno, esg, wsg, etc.)

I know that there is a movement to unite the group and create a "standardized" Gondi dictionary", but even so, the entries will be different for each language (or dialect) of Gondi. So I am guessing that you will need to add multiple Gondi writing systems to adequately capture (and yet keep separate) the various languages/dialects.

Otherwise it would be like trying to make something called a "standardized Dravidian dictionary" which attempts to include and standardize all the words in Tamil, Telugu, Kannada and Malayalam!

Please feel free to ask for further clarification if needed.

Regards,

Mark

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Mayank Jain

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Hi Mark,

Sorry for the late reply. Actually, I discontinued with working on the Gondi project. When I was contacted for this project, I tried to create a project for Gondi. However, they seemed to have used some other method/software to develop their dictionary. Anyway thanks for your suggestions and clarification.

Mayank

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