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[Jeff Siegel]

Many thanks, Kim. 

I’d like to strongly support David’s idea that Pathway have some mechanism of setting the size and position of all photos when they’re exported. Currently, the photos seem to be given a standard height, which makes the portrait ones too small compared to the landscape ones. In Lexique Pro, they can be given a standard width, which works much better, and they can be positioned after the entry. The problem with Lexique Pro, though, is that there doesn’t appear to be a way of including captions or of changing the order of information in entries.

-Jeff

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David Coward <saumla...@gmail.com>: Nov 16 08:51PM -0500 Thanks Kim for the clear instructions. I found this to be the case when exporting from Paratext too.   But would also like to up-vote the idea of giving a width and/or height specifications and maybe left, right, center positioning specification too. Because dictionaries are best if exported somewhat frequently and shared. But post-processing is a buzz kill especially after the second or third time reformatting all the illustrations.   If the feature were added to Pathway, it'd benefit both Flex and Paratext users.   David Coward Konsultan YPMD   -----Original Message----- From: "Kim Blewett (gm)" <kble...@gmail.com> Sent: 11/11/2015 11:51 PM To: "flex...@googlegroups.com" <flex...@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [FLEx] Question about Pictures in Pathway   Hi Jeff,   Pathway places each picture into a "frame" along with its caption. I've found that I have to resize the frame first, then resize the picture to fill it. (I haven't done this with FLEx yet but I assume it works like Pathway's Paratext output.)   To move a picture you must be sure the frame is selected, not just the picture inside the frame. I usually click just below the caption to select the frame, rather than clicking on the picture itself. If you experiment a bit you'll see what I mean. When the frame is selected you may drag it or move it with the arrow keys, or right-click in the frame and choose "Frame" to bring up the Frame properties dialog.   One caution about the "Anchor" spec in Frame Properties: A picture that is attached to a dictionary entry should be anchored to Paragraph or perhaps to Character, not to Page. Objects in LO that are anchored to Page do funny things if you change the page size or repaginate somehow, or if you use LO's Master Document feature.   Kim     On 11/11/2015 11:09 PM, Jeff Siegel wrote:   Thanks, Greg.     I can move the pictures (with some difficulty) in Libre Office and make them smaller and longer. However, I cannot make them wider or reposition them left, right or centre using the dialog. But what I was mainly looking for was something to change their size and position on every export — having a specific width (rather than height), and coming after the entry.     -Jeff             Question about Pictures in Pathway Jeff Siegel <jsie...@une.edu.au>: Nov 10 11:29AM   Greetings: Does anyone know of a way to change the size and position of pictures in Pathway (as one can in Lexique Pro)? Thanks, Jeff   GregT <gtr...@gmail.com>: Nov 10 06:15AM -0800   Jeff, The simple way to change size and position in Pathway is to do it in Libre Office after the export. Click the lower left or right corner of the frame including the caption. Then you can move that whole frame with the mouse. If you prefer to use program control, you can right click and use the dialog to position it left or centered or right in the column or frame or page. You have quite a bit of control. You can similarly resize the pictures. Is this the kind of thing you are looking for or are you hoping for something that will change their size and position on every export? -g   -- You are subscribed to the publicly accessible group "FLEx list". Only members can post but anyone can view messages on the website. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "FLEx list" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to flex-list+...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to flex...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/flex-list/D26976F1.13169%25jsiegel2%40une.edu.au. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.       -- You are subscribed to the publicly accessible group "FLEx list". Only members can post but anyone can view messages on the website. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "FLEx list" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to flex-list+...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to flex...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/flex-list/56441AA8.3010304%40gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

"Kim Blewett (gm)" <kble...@gmail.com>: Nov 17 01:20PM +1100 Great idea, David! Especially for dictionaries, post-processing is a killer. I expect to do some fine-tuning on a Scripture publication--more or less depending on the drafting stage.   Kim   On 11/17/2015 12:51 PM, David Coward wrote:   Thanks Kim for the clear instructions. I found this to be the case when exporting from Paratext too.   But would also like to up-vote the idea of giving a width and/or height specifications and maybe left, right, center positioning specification too. Because dictionaries are best if exported somewhat frequently and shared. But post-processing is a buzz kill especially after the second or third time reformatting all the illustrations.   If the feature were added to Pathway, it'd benefit both Flex and Paratext users.   David Coward   Konsultan YPMD   From: Kim Blewett (gm)   Sent: 11/11/2015 11:51 PM   To: flex...@googlegroups.com   Subject: Re: [FLEx] Question about Pictures in Pathway   Hi Jeff,   Pathway places each picture into a "frame" along with its caption. I've found that I have to resize the frame first, then resize the picture to fill it. (I haven't done this with FLEx yet but I assume it works like Pathway's Paratext output.)   To move a picture you must be sure the frame is selected, not just the picture inside the frame. I usually click just below the caption to select the frame, rather than clicking on the picture itself. If you experiment a bit you'll see what I mean. When the frame is selected you may drag it or move it with the arrow keys, or right-click in the frame and choose "Frame" to bring up the Frame properties dialog.   One caution about the "Anchor" spec in Frame Properties: A picture that is attached to a dictionary entry should be anchored to Paragraph or perhaps to Character, not to Page. Objects in LO that are anchored to Page do funny things if you change the page size or repaginate somehow, or if you use LO's Master Document feature.   Kim   On 11/11/2015 11:09 PM, Jeff Siegel wrote:   Thanks, Greg.   I can move the pictures (with some difficulty) in Libre Office and make them smaller and longer. However, I cannot make them wider or reposition them left, right or centre using the dialog. But what I was mainly looking for was something to change their size and position on every export — having a specific width (rather than height), and coming after the entry.   -Jeff   Question about Pictures in Pathway   Jeff Siegel <jsie...@une.edu.au>: Nov 10 11:29AM   Greetings:   Does anyone know of a way to change the size and position of pictures in Pathway (as one can in Lexique Pro)?   Thanks,   Jeff   GregT <gtr...@gmail.com>: Nov 10 06:15AM -0800   Jeff,   The simple way to change size and position in Pathway is to do it in Libre   Office after the export. Click the lower left or right corner of the frame   including the caption. Then you can move that whole frame with the mouse.   If you prefer to use program control, you can right click and use the   dialog to position it left or centered or right in the column or frame or   page. You have quite a bit of control. You can similarly resize the   pictures. Is this the kind of thing you are looking for or are you hoping   for something that will change their size and position on every export?   -g   --   You are subscribed to the publicly accessible group "FLEx list".   Only members can post but anyone can view messages on the website.   ---   You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "FLEx list" group.   To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to flex-list+...@googlegroups.com.   To post to this group, send email to flex...@googlegroups.com.   To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/flex-list/D26976F1.13169%25jsiegel2%40une.edu.au.   For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.   --   You are subscribed to the publicly accessible group "FLEx list".   Only members can post but anyone can view messages on the website.   ---   You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "FLEx list" group.   To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to flex-list+...@googlegroups.com.   To post to this group, send email to flex...@googlegroups.com.   To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/flex-list/56441AA8.3010304%40gmail.com.   For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.   --   You are subscribed to the publicly accessible group "FLEx list".   Only members can post but anyone can view messages on the website.   ---   You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "FLEx list" group.   To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to flex-list+...@googlegroups.com.   To post to this group, send email to flex...@googlegroups.com.   To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/flex-list/564a882c.6ae1320a.3aa34.6fdf%40mx.google.com.   For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

"Robert Hedinger" <hedinge...@gmail.com>: Nov 17 09:25AM I agree. I would like to see more options in Pathway for specifying details about picture placement. Robert   From: Kim Blewett (gm) Sent: Tuesday, 17 November, 2015 2:20 To: flex...@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [FLEx] Question about Pictures in Pathway   Great idea, David! Especially for dictionaries, post-processing is a killer. I expect to do some fine-tuning on a Scripture publication--more or less depending on the drafting stage.   Kim     On 11/17/2015 12:51 PM, David Coward wrote:   Thanks Kim for the clear instructions. I found this to be the case when exporting from Paratext too.   But would also like to up-vote the idea of giving a width and/or height specifications and maybe left, right, center positioning specification too. Because dictionaries are best if exported somewhat frequently and shared. But post-processing is a buzz kill especially after the second or third time reformatting all the illustrations.   If the feature were added to Pathway, it'd benefit both Flex and Paratext users.   David Coward Konsultan YPMD   ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Kim Blewett (gm) Sent: 11/11/2015 11:51 PM To: flex...@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [FLEx] Question about Pictures in Pathway     Hi Jeff,   Pathway places each picture into a "frame" along with its caption. I've found that I have to resize the frame first, then resize the picture to fill it. (I haven't done this with FLEx yet but I assume it works like Pathway's Paratext output.)   To move a picture you must be sure the frame is selected, not just the picture inside the frame. I usually click just below the caption to select the frame, rather than clicking on the picture itself. If you experiment a bit you'll see what I mean. When the frame is selected you may drag it or move it with the arrow keys, or right-click in the frame and choose "Frame" to bring up the Frame properties dialog.   One caution about the "Anchor" spec in Frame Properties: A picture that is attached to a dictionary entry should be anchored to Paragraph or perhaps to Character, not to Page. Objects in LO that are anchored to Page do funny things if you change the page size or repaginate somehow, or if you use LO's Master Document feature.   Kim     On 11/11/2015 11:09 PM, Jeff Siegel wrote:   Thanks, Greg.   I can move the pictures (with some difficulty) in Libre Office and make them smaller and longer. However, I cannot make them wider or reposition them left, right or centre using the dialog. But what I was mainly looking for was something to change their size and position on every export — having a specific width (rather than height), and coming after the entry.   -Jeff       Question about Pictures in Pathway Jeff Siegel <jsie...@une.edu.au>: Nov 10 11:29AM   Greetings: Does anyone know of a way to change the size and position of pictures in Pathway (as one can in Lexique Pro)? Thanks, Jeff GregT <gtr...@gmail.com>: Nov 10 06:15AM -0800   Jeff, The simple way to change size and position in Pathway is to do it in Libre Office after the export. Click the lower left or right corner of the frame including the caption. Then you can move that whole frame with the mouse. If you prefer to use program control, you can right click and use the dialog to position it left or centered or right in the column or frame or page. You have quite a bit of control. You can similarly resize the pictures. 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[GregT]

Yes, we have on our backlog the idea of adding the ability to size and position pictures. I think one SIL entity does this by adding a custom field to Flex with this information. Somehow, that didn't seem like a long term extensible solution. It would really be great if the FieldWorks data model contained this information.

An interim solution I have considered since Flex 8.3.x has come out is that the overrides file contains css commands to specify the size and position of pictures. If this solution was used, we would still need to adjust Pathway to expect this information and use it to size and position the pictures.

A less satisfying hack would be to include a specification in an extra writing system on the caption that Pathway would look for and remove and use to size and position pictures.

Speaking of picture metadata, there is also a request to include rights information with each picture the way Bloom does and some other software.

[Jonathan Dailey]

What if we also had svg as a valid file type for pictures?  It is native xml. 

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