I think it's a very sad day when one of the cities crown jewels is going
to be turned over to a very select group of land speculators and carved
up.
In the whole world there are probably only about three to four dozen
communities, towns, cities who can boast an inner city airport.
Edmonton was one of them.
To say that every other northern community is going to be impacted by
this decision is an understatement.
It will be very interesting to see what individuals profit the most by
this shameful action and who they are aligned with on city council.
For shame Edmonton this is a very sad day in your history.
Too fucking bad. As soon as you cheap fuckers in northern Alberta start
PAYING the fucking costs of keeping that white elephant running, THEN and
only THEN, do you have the right to comment. Until then, shut the FUCK UP.
Many of those FOR keeping the airport open did so for purely SELFISH
PERSONAL FINANCIAL reasons. Too fucking bad for the Oilers and their
private jets landing there--they can use the fucking international airport
like all the other sports teams.
Make the whole area into both a park, with an artificial lake, along with
high rises along the proposed NW LRT route.
I couldn't agree more Sharx. Now NAIT can expand and keep it's campus in
one area instead of that site they planned deep in the south side!
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PV
"Little men with little minds and little imaginations go through life
in little ruts, smugly resisting all changes which would jar their
little worlds. Zig Zigler
Vote out the whole lot!!
Time for a referendum!!
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Member - Liberal International This is doc...@nl2k.ab.ca
Ici doc...@nl2k.ab.ca God, Queen and country! Beware Anti-Christ rising!
Never Satan President Republic!
The fool says in his heart, "There is no God". They are corrupt, and their ways are vile; there is no one who does good. - Ps 53:1
I agree...they have been arguing about this issue for over fifty
years...time to settle it once and forever.
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On this one, doctor, you and I agree.
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John Fleming
Edmonton, Canada
Old MacDonald had a farm E-I-E-I-O
And on that farm he had a genome E-I-E-I-O
With a SNP SNP here and a SNP SNP there,
Here a SNP, there a SNP, everywhere a SNP SNP
Old MacDonald had a farm E-I-E-I-O
I agree, keeping it open for a few northern communities at our expense is
just plain stupid, I was working in Ft Mac for 2 years on a fly in-fly out
job and we had to fly out of the International, cuz the plane we were on was
a 19 seat plane. It seems the only people who use it are people with private
planes, like I need to subsidize people like that...lol A few northern
communities, Suits flying in from Cowgary, and all the MLA's from Cowgary,
it doesn't make sense to keep it open if the people that pay to keep it open
can't even use the damn thing, consolidating the flights to the
International so we could get more flights to Edmonton didn't seem to work,
as I have to fly to Cowgary to get to Toronto.
There are other small airstrips around the city for the small private
planes, medi-vacs can fly to the International, and if time is crucial for
them they can always use Stars Air Ambulance to cut the time into the city,
that is if the Tories can keep the Hospital heli-pads up to date.
Plus we have been lucky that there have been no crashes into residential
neighborhoods under the flight paths.
just my 2 cents worth....
There ALREADY HAS been a referendum. Where the FUCK were you? Blowing goats
on some Caribbean island?
I would vote for the Doctor BEFORE I would vote for that idiot Mandel.
You made a lot of sense.
Sharx for Mayor!
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I pretty much agree with this article in the Edmonton Journal:
Muni is not 'my' airport
Campaign an attempt to get taxpayers to foot bill for private interests
By Lorne Gunter, Lgu...@shaw.ca
June 21, 2009
"Airport Not For Sale" is the message on the indignant placards that are
springing up on private lawns and public boulevards around the city in an
effort to pressure council into not selling the City Centre Airport for
commercial and residential redevelopment.
"Save Your Airport," the signs add. "Fight for Flight."
Pardon me. Save whose airport? "Your Airport," the signs proclaim, meaning
yours and mine.
Sorry, but I fly in and out of Edmonton a dozen or more times each year.
And I have not taken a flight from "the Muni" in 20 years.
No, wait, that's wrong. The department of National Defence once flew me
and a bunch of other journalists up to Cold Lake to watch jet fighter
training exercises and we left from City Centre. So once in 200 or more
flights, I have flown out of that airport.
If by "Your Airport," the organizers of the sneering "Airport Not For
Sale" campaign mean "My Airport," then they are mistaken. My airport is
Edmonton International.
I may not like the fact that I have to drive so far south of the city to
reach "My Airport," although since the Anthony Henday opened the drive is
now about five minutes shorter.
I may wish scheduled passenger flights were still operating out of the
downtown airport. Certainly those people who work downtown and fly back
and forth to Calgary wish it.
But the fact remains, the voters of this city decided by plebiscite more
than two decades ago to make Edmonton International "Our Airport." Too
much work and momentum has gone into diverting air business to the North
Leduc location to go back now. It's time city council finished the process
by turning the land our other airport sits on into housing for nearly
25,000 people.
Those who want City Centre kept open are really just demanding that the
rest of Edmontonians subsidize their desired outcome.
They want the airport to survive, but they don't want to pay its full
annual operating costs themselves and they don't want to make up to
ratepayers the property tax reduction we would enjoy if the land were sold
to developers, to say nothing of the loss of an exciting new development
in the city core.
On Thursday, the City released consultants' reports that show the profit
from sale of the airport would net between $91 million and $335 million.
While this is down from projections of $486 million a year ago, it is
still a sizable chunk of change, enough in the best-case scenario to lower
property taxes by two per cent or more a year for 35 years.
It would also end the annual operating losses at the Muni-estimated at
over $1 million a year-that users of the regions' other airports must
cover in higher landing taxes and airfares.
It's not much, admittedly. But I don't see the supporters of City Centre
clamouring to pay extra out of their own pockets to cover the real annual
costs of their airport choice.
If the effort to save the airport was more than a selfish, self-interested
endeavour, the organizers' slogan would be: "Sell Us the Airport."
If the Kingsway Business Association and the Edmonton Enterprise Group and
others want the airport kept open, let them buy and operate it as a
private airport. If they are so sure a second airport in a city of one
million is such a viable enterprise, let them take the risk to own and run
it.
But, of course, if they had to pay $483 million for it or $335 million or
even just $91 million, they would never do it. So their demand boils down
to insisting that you and I pay for their vision for them by leaving the
airport as is and for the next three-and-a-half decades paying higher
municipal taxes than we would have to.
No thanks. The airport
savers should also stop trying to argue that the use of the 217-hectare
site as an airport generates anywhere near the economic activity that
would be generated were the field converted into a residential community
for nearly 25,000 with a transportation hub, an expanded campus for NAIT
and shops, restaurants, parks and offices. The reason airports are built
on marginal land on the fringes of cities -as City Centre was when it
opened 80 years ago-is that their low-intensity activities (relative to
commercial and residential uses)make airports uneconomical in city centres
where land prices are at a premium.
What's more, the medevac argument is a canard. Of the 87,000 takeoffs and
landings at the airport last year, just three per cent were medevac
flights and fewer than 400 of those (less than one-half of one per cent)
were flights with critical patients. If fixed-wing medevac flights were
impossible after City Centre closed, those 400 would not die. Rather,
their rescues would most likely be switched to helicopters that land
directly at hospitals.
There may be a lot of arguments for keeping City Centre an airport, but
none of them is convincing.
Source <http://www.edmontonjournal.com/story_print.html?id=1717970>
> $> And I won't vote for Mandel!
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> $I would vote for the Doctor BEFORE I would vote for that idiot Mandel.
During his first term, I don't think he was too bad.
But this time around, I've heard him say some pretty stupid
things. Hopefully it's not something they put in the water
cooler in the mayor's office.
Maybe we should have a one term limit for mayors.
To the rest of your comment, I'm sure we can find a better
candidate than the doctor for mayor. After all, we both
know his track record in Usenet . . ..
Excellent article.
I said Sharx for mayor!!
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Nobody really gives a rat's patoonie what you said.
I was responding to sharx comment, not yours.
Do you guys still chum around in Toastmasters?
We still do belong to the same TM club.
LOL!!
>
> I was responding to sharx comment, not yours.
>
> --
>
> John Fleming
> Edmonton, Canada
>
> Old MacDonald had a farm E-I-E-I-O
> And on that farm he had a genome E-I-E-I-O
> With a SNP SNP here and a SNP SNP there,
> Here a SNP, there a SNP, everywhere a SNP SNP
> Old MacDonald had a farm E-I-E-I-O- Hide quoted text -
Is Yads as mentally defective at TM meetings as he is on usenet?
> --
>
> John Fleming
> Edmonton, Canada
>
> Old MacDonald had a farm E-I-E-I-O
> And on that farm he had a genome E-I-E-I-O
> With a SNP SNP here and a SNP SNP there,
> Here a SNP, there a SNP, everywhere a SNP SNP
LOL!
So Sharx would you consider running for Mayor?
Lets put it this way. Given his speaking skills and his
currently attained Toastmasters designation, it is tempting
to use the teachers' expression, "performing below grade
level". Not everyone may agree with me. However, it's my
perception based on listening to his speeches,listening to
his answers to table topic questions, and his general
performance at (and preparing for) roles at club meetings.
How many of you people cryng about the Muni closing actually use the damn
thing?
LOL!!
Just as I thought.
> --
>
> John Fleming
> Edmonton, Canada
>
> Old MacDonald had a farm E-I-E-I-O
> And on that farm he had a genome E-I-E-I-O
> With a SNP SNP here and a SNP SNP there,
> Here a SNP, there a SNP, everywhere a SNP SNP
It's really kind of sad.
Well, only Yads can change Yads.
> --
>
> John Fleming
> Edmonton, Canada
>
> Old MacDonald had a farm E-I-E-I-O
> And on that farm he had a genome E-I-E-I-O
> With a SNP SNP here and a SNP SNP there,
> Here a SNP, there a SNP, everywhere a SNP SNP
True. Too true.
First you need the Holocaust facts RH!
FIRST, *you* have to understand we are NOT talking about the holohoax
or me. We are talking about YOU.
> Member - Liberal International This is doc...@nl2k.ab.ca
> Ici doc...@nl2k.ab.ca God, Queen and country! Beware Anti-Christ rising!
> Never Satan President Republic!
> The fool says in his heart, "There is no God". They are corrupt, and their ways are vile; there is no one who does good. - Ps 53:1- Hide quoted text -