new mailing list for DIYbio educational outreach
Patrik D'haeseleer
https://groups.google.com/d/forum/diybioteachers
Brian Degger
Can't seem to join it...
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Nathan McCorkle
On Wednesday, September 30, 2015 at 4:55:09 PM UTC-7, Ellen Jorgensen wrote:
Hi Maria,
This list started
This is only going to lose the leverage-ability of the pre-existing
diybio mailing-list members. I'm sure there is a single-digit
percentage of members here. Why splinter the community, experts who
don't check often will miss out on opportunity to contribute (all
those who didn't get the update that a splintering occurred).
If you want to track and filter data... why not standardize on a
message-subject title prefix/suffix. In other words, why not just
start a topic with "TEACHERS: <insert topic here>"???
The existing mailing list with tons of people, following, ease of
google-ability, short name that is easy to remember, etc.
I literally have about 5 or 6 email lists all getting dumped into a
single DIYBio folder in my email client. This seems like a real waste
of time, and a real detriment to the community.
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Brian Degger
Nathan,
I understand your concern...but are not so worried.
If you look at any hackerspace they usually have multiple email lists....some aren't public some are.
Most are published
So hackerspace might have toilet@hackerspace for bathroom related stuff and kitchen@hackerspace for kitchen related stuff..
The problem isn't the splintering, thr problem is the discoverability.
Which is what wiki are good at and teachers who meet other teachers.
Also....many people who use email clients still don't know how to filter....or to reply to the right person or how to unsubscribe from a list.
They will see TEACHERS as spam and irrelevant. I imagine the teachers list topics will be few and deep (in replies and length of reply). Really usefull to practitioners but not to the average person.
Does that make sense?
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Nathan McCorkle
> Nathan,
> I understand your concern...but are not so worried.
>
> If you look at any hackerspace they usually have multiple email
> lists....some aren't public some are.
> Most are published
> So hackerspace might have toilet@hackerspace for bathroom related stuff and
> kitchen@hackerspace for kitchen related stuff..
> The problem isn't the splintering, thr problem is the discoverability.
>
> Which is what wiki are good at and teachers who meet other teachers.
>
> Also....many people who use email clients still don't know how to
> filter....or to reply to the right person or how to unsubscribe from a list.
>
> They will see TEACHERS as spam and irrelevant. I imagine the teachers list
> topics will be few and deep (in replies and length of reply). Really usefull
> to practitioners but not to the average person.
>
> Does that make sense?
fail to know how to filter mail. (a jerk might think: if they can't
handle such a simple technology that humans invented, how will they
handle BIO technology that we didn't invent)
This mailing list does not experience heavy traffic; there is no
'average' person that will likely find ANY of this useful, regardless
of length of a thread (come on, forum threads commonly go on for pages
and pages all over the internet).
This seems to smell of elitism/exclusivism in terms of information
sharing, even if it is subconscious.
Brian Degger
It was just my initial opinion or position .
But what I or you think ...whatever
People will vote with their email addresses ;)
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Pieter
For the sake of transparency I will also post my comments here:
Currently we are running the second season of the BioHack Academy. A 10 week program fully dedicated to DIYBio. Participants learn how to build a bio lab, how to use it and how to share the results.
Here's a magazine with the outcomes of season 1: http://fablab.digitalfabrication.ir/wp-content/uploads/BHA1_Graduation_Magazine.pdf
The course is completely open and free to be followed by anyone on their own, or supported by us from the Open Wet lab in Amsterdam in return to a tuition fee. Lectures are live streamed every week, and recordings published in our Vimeo channel. So far we had about 100 participants from the US, Brazil, Spain, Italy, Turkey, France, UK and most recently a incredible motivated group from Iran. All together we will continuously improve the curriculum.
A collection of natural strains is distributed to partner labs, containing pigmented bacteria, bioluminescent bacteria, spirulina, slime mold, yeast, lactic acid bacteria and mycelium.
A new call for partners and participants will be published in a few weeks in prep of the next season starting in February.
Syllabus: http://biohackacademy.github.io
Videos season 1: http://vimeo.com/channels/biohackacademy
Videos season 2: http://vimeo.com/channels/bha2
All source files: http://github.com/biohackacademy
Patrik D'haeseleer
Is there any particular reason that the content of that mailing list is not visible? That does not fit the core value of openness of the DIYBio movement.