[Dillo-dev] DuckDuckGo: I am disappoint

[Jeremy Henty]

Since a day or two ago the links in the results from the DuckDuckGo
lite search page (which Dillo uses by default when I type Ctrl-S)
return a tiny bit of HTML wrapping a Javascript redirect. Clicking
the link in Dillo goes to an empty page. I have to copy-paste the URL
into Firefox to see the result. Annoying.

If I search from the main site, not the lite version, the results page
still links directly to the target pages. (But for how long?)

I can't think what Dillo can do about this, but maybe one of the devs
has an idea?

Or maybe I should switch to a different search engine. Does anyone
have any recommendations?

Regards,

Jeremy Henty

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[Axel Beckert]

Hi,

On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 04:21:53PM +0000, Jeremy Henty wrote:
> Since a day or two ago the links in the results from the DuckDuckGo
> lite search page (which Dillo uses by default when I type Ctrl-S)
> return a tiny bit of HTML wrapping a Javascript redirect. Clicking
> the link in Dillo goes to an empty page. I have to copy-paste the URL
> into Firefox to see the result. Annoying.

Works fine for me inside dillo as well as inside lynx.

So maybe they noticed (or got informed about) these issues and did a
rollback?

Kind regards, Axel
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[Axel Beckert]

Hi,

On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 10:53:53PM +0000, higuita wrote:
> As alternative, i use startpage.com, it uses google and their
> own engine for the search, but without any log and tracking.

It's not fully without tracking. If Google adds a redirector between
the result list and the result link, you'll click on a URL starting
with www.google.com and hence might get tracked by them anyways.

[higuita]

On Wed, 11 Jan 2017 00:00:51 +0100, Axel Beckert <a...@deuxchevaux.org>
wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 10:53:53PM +0000, higuita wrote:
> > As alternative, i use startpage.com, it uses google and their
> > own engine for the search, but without any log and tracking.
> It's not fully without tracking. If Google adds a redirector between
> the result list and the result link, you'll click on a URL starting
> with www.google.com and hence might get tracked by them anyways.

hehe, try it and you will see: :)

https://www.startpage.com

they extract the final url, the link you click is directly to the
site with the page. They even support "proxy" mode, where they fetch the
page and present it via their site. this way you don't even connect to the
remove server. Of course, not all sites can work this way, but sites that
break usually also do not work with dillo :)

higuita
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[Charles Lehner]

Hi all,

DDG's redirect can be disabled by setting kd=-1 in the querystring or settings cookie.
I recommend updating dillorc to add this param by default. e.g.
https://duckduckgo.com/lite/?kp=-1&kd=-1&q=%s

More info:
https://duckduckgo.com/params

Cheers,
Charles

[Jeremy Henty]

Charles Lehner wrote:

> DDG's redirect can be disabled by setting kd=-1 in the querystring
> or settings cookie.

Confirmed (by adding kd=-1 to the querystring in dillorc.) Nice one!

> I recommend updating dillorc to add this param by default. e.g.
> https://duckduckgo.com/lite/?kp=-1&kd=-1&q=%s

+1

> https://duckduckgo.com/params

Never forget that a few weeks' programming can save *hours* searching
the web! :-)

I note that they list the kd parameter under "Privacy". I did wonder
if the redirect was meant to increase privacy but I could not imagine
how that could work. Any ideas?

Regards,

Jeremy Henty

[Charles Lehner]

On Mon, 6 Feb 2017 01:36:23 +0000
Jeremy Henty <onep...@starurchin.org> wrote:

> I note that they list the kd parameter under "Privacy". I did wonder
> if the redirect was meant to increase privacy but I could not imagine
> how that could work. Any ideas?

Probably it is to prevent the search result website from getting the Referer header with the search query. Not an issue with Dillo of course.

[Jeremy Henty]

Thanks, that makes sense. I keep forgetting how much information most
browsers leak by default!