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Chris
Feb 13, 2015, 2:21:45 PM2/13/15
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The last time I set up Turnpike for a new ISP was more than ten years
ago.
Please remind me of the steps.
The ISPs are both broadband using a router.
--
Chris
ago.
Please remind me of the steps.
The ISPs are both broadband using a router.
--
Chris
J. P. Gilliver (John)
Feb 13, 2015, 5:39:53 PM2/13/15
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In article <EGGNWTBV7k3UFwyo@[127.0.0.1]>, on Fri, 13 Feb 2015, Chris
<nospam@[127.0.0.1]> wrote
If by the last line you mean your present ISP and your new ISP, then
that's fine - Turnpike will already be using "use external connection"
rather than trying to dial.
You'll need to change settings in the router - your new ISP should tell
you how to do that. Then, within Turnpike (the explorer part, not
Connect - probably better to close Connect):
Configure | Email transfer.
In there, enter the SMTP (outgoing mail) server you've been told by the
new ISP. If it needs a username and password, click the Password button;
in there ensure "Log on using" is ticked. For incoming mail, Add the new
mailbox, entering the name of the POP3 server, and the mailbox (which
may be something with an @ in it, or may not; you'll have to get the
details from the ISP) and password. (I say "Add" because you can leave
both lots of details there; one will cease to work eventually, possibly
as soon as you stop connecting to that ISP.)
The passwords for SMTP and POP3 may or may not be the same, and the
number of asterisks shown in Turnpike will _not_ represent the number of
characters in the password(s).
You don't have to change the name at the top of the Configure email
transfer window (mine still says Demon).
I _think_ that's about it; get the settings from your ISP - they'll be
on their website somewhere. Ideally there'll be a page giving the raw
settings; failing that, there'll be something about how to set up
Outlook Express, or Thunderbird, or similar, from which you can dig out
the server names, mailbox formats, and the like.
If you're unlucky, one of the mail directions will require a form of
authentication Turnpike can't do natively; if that's the case, there
seem to be two solutions: either set up stunnel, or use a particular AV
tool which apparently handles that as part of it.
(I haven't covered setting up news, as very few ISPs provide news these
days, so I assume you're using one of the free news providers (in which
case you'll continue to do so); if your new ISP _does_ do news (and you
intend to use their server), say and we'll address that.
Re-start Connect.
If you tell us which ISPs you're moving from and to, we can be a lot
more helpful.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
If it ain't broke, fix it 'til it is.
<nospam@[127.0.0.1]> wrote
that's fine - Turnpike will already be using "use external connection"
rather than trying to dial.
You'll need to change settings in the router - your new ISP should tell
you how to do that. Then, within Turnpike (the explorer part, not
Connect - probably better to close Connect):
Configure | Email transfer.
In there, enter the SMTP (outgoing mail) server you've been told by the
new ISP. If it needs a username and password, click the Password button;
in there ensure "Log on using" is ticked. For incoming mail, Add the new
mailbox, entering the name of the POP3 server, and the mailbox (which
may be something with an @ in it, or may not; you'll have to get the
details from the ISP) and password. (I say "Add" because you can leave
both lots of details there; one will cease to work eventually, possibly
as soon as you stop connecting to that ISP.)
The passwords for SMTP and POP3 may or may not be the same, and the
number of asterisks shown in Turnpike will _not_ represent the number of
characters in the password(s).
You don't have to change the name at the top of the Configure email
transfer window (mine still says Demon).
I _think_ that's about it; get the settings from your ISP - they'll be
on their website somewhere. Ideally there'll be a page giving the raw
settings; failing that, there'll be something about how to set up
Outlook Express, or Thunderbird, or similar, from which you can dig out
the server names, mailbox formats, and the like.
If you're unlucky, one of the mail directions will require a form of
authentication Turnpike can't do natively; if that's the case, there
seem to be two solutions: either set up stunnel, or use a particular AV
tool which apparently handles that as part of it.
(I haven't covered setting up news, as very few ISPs provide news these
days, so I assume you're using one of the free news providers (in which
case you'll continue to do so); if your new ISP _does_ do news (and you
intend to use their server), say and we'll address that.
Re-start Connect.
If you tell us which ISPs you're moving from and to, we can be a lot
more helpful.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
If it ain't broke, fix it 'til it is.
Jim Crowther
Feb 13, 2015, 9:36:07 PM2/13/15
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In demon.ip.support.turnpike, on Fri, 13 Feb 2015 22:38:52, J. P.
If you have your own domain and associated email settings - then
changing stuff in the router to enable the new ISP connectivity is all
you need to do.
Having one's own domain(s) is great - you can use any connection that
gets to the internet, and all 'just works'. Anyone with a laptop or
smartphone will probably have already[1] appreciated this. ;)
[1] Should that have been 'already have' ?
--
Jim Crowther
Gilliver (John) wrote:
>In article <EGGNWTBV7k3UFwyo@[127.0.0.1]>, on Fri, 13 Feb 2015, Chris
><nospam@[127.0.0.1]> wrote
>>The last time I set up Turnpike for a new ISP was more than ten years
>>ago.
>>Please remind me of the steps.
>>The ISPs are both broadband using a router.
>
>If by the last line you mean your present ISP and your new ISP, then
>that's fine - Turnpike will already be using "use external connection"
>rather than trying to dial.
>
>You'll need to change settings in the router - your new ISP should tell
>you how to do that.
[big snip]
>In article <EGGNWTBV7k3UFwyo@[127.0.0.1]>, on Fri, 13 Feb 2015, Chris
><nospam@[127.0.0.1]> wrote
>>The last time I set up Turnpike for a new ISP was more than ten years
>>ago.
>>Please remind me of the steps.
>>The ISPs are both broadband using a router.
>
>If by the last line you mean your present ISP and your new ISP, then
>that's fine - Turnpike will already be using "use external connection"
>rather than trying to dial.
>
>You'll need to change settings in the router - your new ISP should tell
>you how to do that.
If you have your own domain and associated email settings - then
changing stuff in the router to enable the new ISP connectivity is all
you need to do.
Having one's own domain(s) is great - you can use any connection that
gets to the internet, and all 'just works'. Anyone with a laptop or
smartphone will probably have already[1] appreciated this. ;)
[1] Should that have been 'already have' ?
--
Jim Crowther
John Hall
Feb 14, 2015, 5:46:00 AM2/14/15
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In message <P$D4$uR8zn...@soft255.demon.co.uk>, "J. P. Gilliver
(John)" <ju...@soft255.demon.co.uk> writes
needed in Configure > Email transfer.
--
I'm not paid to implement the recognition of irony.
(Taken, with the author's permission, from a LiveJournal post)
(John)" <ju...@soft255.demon.co.uk> writes
>Then, within Turnpike (the explorer part, not Connect - probably better
>to close Connect):
>
>Configure | Email transfer.
Interesting. In Connect is where I always make any changes that might be
>to close Connect):
>
>Configure | Email transfer.
needed in Configure > Email transfer.
--
I'm not paid to implement the recognition of irony.
(Taken, with the author's permission, from a LiveJournal post)
Andy
Feb 14, 2015, 6:26:15 AM2/14/15
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In message <AAUVp2Cj...@nospam.at.my.choice.of.UID.invalid>, Jim
Crowther <Don't_bo...@blackhole.do-not-spam.me.uk> wrote
[]
--
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Visit <URL:http://www.austrianphilately.com>
Crowther <Don't_bo...@blackhole.do-not-spam.me.uk> wrote
[]
> Anyone with a laptop or smartphone will probably have already[1]
>appreciated this. ;)
>
>[1] Should that have been 'already have' ?
>
Depends if you went to Oxbridge or Camford :)
>appreciated this. ;)
>
>[1] Should that have been 'already have' ?
>
--
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Visit <URL:http://www.austrianphilately.com>
Chris
Feb 14, 2015, 1:02:50 PM2/14/15
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In article <P$D4$uR8zn...@soft255.demon.co.uk>, "J. P. Gilliver
(John)" <ju...@soft255.demon.co.uk> writes
Thanks for your detailed answer.
Let me clarify the situation.
I have already changed ISP - Internet is working well.
Turnpike is still working with my old ISP's email addresses.
I don't know why they are still working - they may stop any time.
What I would really like to do is keep the old addresses going
and add the addresses of the new ISP
so that Turnpike can send and receive both for as long as possible.
Can this be done?
--
Chris
(John)" <ju...@soft255.demon.co.uk> writes
Let me clarify the situation.
I have already changed ISP - Internet is working well.
Turnpike is still working with my old ISP's email addresses.
I don't know why they are still working - they may stop any time.
What I would really like to do is keep the old addresses going
and add the addresses of the new ISP
so that Turnpike can send and receive both for as long as possible.
Can this be done?
--
Chris
John Hall
Feb 14, 2015, 2:45:23 PM2/14/15
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In message <3f9PtHBa343UFw0u@[127.0.0.1]>, Chris <nospam@[127.0.0.1]>
writes
"Mail Gateway"), but you can have as many for receiving as you like
(just press the Add button and enter the appropriate details).
writes
>Turnpike is still working with my old ISP's email addresses.
>I don't know why they are still working - they may stop any time.
>
>What I would really like to do is keep the old addresses going
>and add the addresses of the new ISP
>so that Turnpike can send and receive both for as long as possible.
>
>Can this be done?
You can only have one address configured for sending (as entered for
>I don't know why they are still working - they may stop any time.
>
>What I would really like to do is keep the old addresses going
>and add the addresses of the new ISP
>so that Turnpike can send and receive both for as long as possible.
>
>Can this be done?
"Mail Gateway"), but you can have as many for receiving as you like
(just press the Add button and enter the appropriate details).
Jim Crowther
Feb 14, 2015, 9:40:54 PM2/14/15
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In demon.ip.support.turnpike, on Sat, 14 Feb 2015 19:34:54, John Hall
wrote:
>In message <3f9PtHBa343UFw0u@[127.0.0.1]>, Chris <nospam@[127.0.0.1]>
>writes
>>Turnpike is still working with my old ISP's email addresses.
>>I don't know why they are still working - they may stop any time.
>>
>>What I would really like to do is keep the old addresses going
>>and add the addresses of the new ISP
>>so that Turnpike can send and receive both for as long as possible.
>>
>>Can this be done?
>
>You can only have one address configured for sending (as entered for
>"Mail Gateway"), but you can have as many for receiving as you like
>(just press the Add button and enter the appropriate details).
Huh?
I send and receive with multiple email addresses - aliases and domains.
TP only allows one SMTP server - but that doesn't stop you sending with
whatever *email* address (or sender details etc) that you wish. All
taken care of by those lovely 'personalities'. ;)
--
Jim Crowther
wrote:
>In message <3f9PtHBa343UFw0u@[127.0.0.1]>, Chris <nospam@[127.0.0.1]>
>writes
>>Turnpike is still working with my old ISP's email addresses.
>>I don't know why they are still working - they may stop any time.
>>
>>What I would really like to do is keep the old addresses going
>>and add the addresses of the new ISP
>>so that Turnpike can send and receive both for as long as possible.
>>
>>Can this be done?
>
>You can only have one address configured for sending (as entered for
>"Mail Gateway"), but you can have as many for receiving as you like
>(just press the Add button and enter the appropriate details).
I send and receive with multiple email addresses - aliases and domains.
TP only allows one SMTP server - but that doesn't stop you sending with
whatever *email* address (or sender details etc) that you wish. All
taken care of by those lovely 'personalities'. ;)
--
Jim Crowther
John Hall
Feb 15, 2015, 3:57:50 AM2/15/15
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In message <hqE9jKFf...@nospam.at.my.choice.of.UID.invalid>, Jim
Crowther <Don't_bo...@blackhole.do-not-spam.me.uk> writes
Ah, sorry, for some reason I misinterpreted "address" as meaning "server
address". The sort of "senior moment" that happens more frequently these
days, I fear.
Crowther <Don't_bo...@blackhole.do-not-spam.me.uk> writes
address". The sort of "senior moment" that happens more frequently these
days, I fear.
Chris
Feb 15, 2015, 4:32:04 AM2/15/15
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In article <hqE9jKFf...@nospam.at.my.choice.of.UID.invalid>, Jim
Crowther <Don't_bo...@blackhole.do-not-spam.me.uk> writes
I want to be able to send and receive using old ISP settings (POP3 and
SMTP) and email addresses.
I want to be able to send and receive using new ISP settings (POP3 and
SMTP) and email addresses.
I am doing just the former at the moment.
If you would be so kind, I wonder if you could give me the steps to add
the latter?
I would like to get it right first time rather than experiment resulting
in a confused situation!
--
Chris
Crowther <Don't_bo...@blackhole.do-not-spam.me.uk> writes
>In demon.ip.support.turnpike, on Sat, 14 Feb 2015 19:34:54, John Hall
>wrote:
>
>>In message <3f9PtHBa343UFw0u@[127.0.0.1]>, Chris <nospam@[127.0.0.1]>
>>writes
>>>Turnpike is still working with my old ISP's email addresses.
>>>I don't know why they are still working - they may stop any time.
>>>
>>>What I would really like to do is keep the old addresses going
>>>and add the addresses of the new ISP
>>>so that Turnpike can send and receive both for as long as possible.
>>>
>>>Can this be done?
>
>wrote:
>
>>In message <3f9PtHBa343UFw0u@[127.0.0.1]>, Chris <nospam@[127.0.0.1]>
>>writes
>>>Turnpike is still working with my old ISP's email addresses.
>>>I don't know why they are still working - they may stop any time.
>>>
>>>What I would really like to do is keep the old addresses going
>>>and add the addresses of the new ISP
>>>so that Turnpike can send and receive both for as long as possible.
>>>
>>>Can this be done?
>
>I send and receive with multiple email addresses - aliases and domains.
>TP only allows one SMTP server - but that doesn't stop you sending with
>whatever *email* address (or sender details etc) that you wish. All
>taken care of by those lovely 'personalities'. ;)
>
This looks like what I am seeking.
>TP only allows one SMTP server - but that doesn't stop you sending with
>whatever *email* address (or sender details etc) that you wish. All
>taken care of by those lovely 'personalities'. ;)
>
I want to be able to send and receive using old ISP settings (POP3 and
SMTP) and email addresses.
I want to be able to send and receive using new ISP settings (POP3 and
SMTP) and email addresses.
I am doing just the former at the moment.
If you would be so kind, I wonder if you could give me the steps to add
the latter?
I would like to get it right first time rather than experiment resulting
in a confused situation!
--
Chris
bert
Feb 15, 2015, 9:17:47 AM2/15/15
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In message <G7vuGXAvZG4UFwoI@[127.0.0.1]>, Chris <nospam@[127.0.0.1]>
Leave your old settings alone
Add in your new settings under Configure Connections in Connect with the
connection disconnected.
AFAICR you will have to select which one to use in turn if you want to
use different smtp servers for outgoing mail, but why would you want to
do that?
--
bert
Add in your new settings under Configure Connections in Connect with the
connection disconnected.
AFAICR you will have to select which one to use in turn if you want to
use different smtp servers for outgoing mail, but why would you want to
do that?
--
bert
J. P. Gilliver (John)
Feb 15, 2015, 10:16:45 AM2/15/15
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In article <7v8sbIBzZy3UFwWO@jhall_nospamxx.demon.co.uk>, on Sat, 14 Feb
2015, John Hall <john_...@jhall.co.uk> wrote
the settings while actually connected.
- Barry Norman on Arnold Schwarzenegger (RT 2014/9/27-10/3)
2015, John Hall <john_...@jhall.co.uk> wrote
>In message <P$D4$uR8zn...@soft255.demon.co.uk>, "J. P. Gilliver
>(John)" <ju...@soft255.demon.co.uk> writes
>>Then, within Turnpike (the explorer part, not Connect - probably
>>better to close Connect):
>>
>>Configure | Email transfer.
>
>Interesting. In Connect is where I always make any changes that might
>be needed in Configure > Email transfer.
Ah. Maybe either is OK. I just assumed it might be safer not to change
>(John)" <ju...@soft255.demon.co.uk> writes
>>Then, within Turnpike (the explorer part, not Connect - probably
>>better to close Connect):
>>
>>Configure | Email transfer.
>
>Interesting. In Connect is where I always make any changes that might
>be needed in Configure > Email transfer.
the settings while actually connected.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
... the closest thing the movies have ever got to a human special effect.
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
- Barry Norman on Arnold Schwarzenegger (RT 2014/9/27-10/3)
J. P. Gilliver (John)
Feb 15, 2015, 10:38:46 AM2/15/15
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In article <G7vuGXAvZG4UFwoI@[127.0.0.1]>, on Sun, 15 Feb 2015, Chris
<nospam@[127.0.0.1]> wrote
[]
Demon email address as From: and Reply-To:.
In theory, some ISPs may not allow emails to be sent using their
outgoing server that seem to come from addresses other than one of their
own customers, though I'm not aware of any; I know PlusNet offer less
_support_ for such emails (some years ago I had a problem with a couple
of emails apparently not working properly, and PN weren't interested.
Problem might well not have been anything to do with them of course).
claim the right to do so, though (a) it's often a matter of several
months, (b) they often don't, though they say they will.
Turnpike itself will only let you set a single SMTP server (the one for
_sending_ email). It lets you set multiple POP3 accounts (receiving),
though.
else said from Connect works fine).
In the bottom, you will see a window (under the "Enable POP3 accounts"
tickbox) listing your POP3 accounts; you probably only have one. You can
have several - including ones you aren't using; each has a tickbox in
the window. To add a new one, click the Add button to the right of the
window; a window will pop up asking for the server name, Mailbox, and
Password, all of which you'll have to get from the new ISP. The server
name is usually something like pop3.isp.com, but not always - some have
mail instead of pop3, some have net instead of com, and so on. The
mailbox is often the email address they have given you - but it may or
may not have the @ and the bit after that, or may be something
different. The password, again, may be the same as that for SMTP, and/or
that which you use in the router to establish a connection, or may be
different to both. You also have to choose fetch or mirror, depending on
whether you want to leave the emails on the server (mirror) or not; if
you're setting up several devices (computers, 'phones, ...), you'd
probably want to set mirror on all but one (or on all, but that can risk
your mailbox on the server becoming full and people emailing you getting
bounces; Demon discard emails after 30 [IIRR] days, others vary). And
you set how often TP should check.
You vary the _order_ in which it checks the POP3 accounts with the Move
Up and Down buttons; if you put your old one last, you may see the
sending mail bar in Connect go brown instead of blue once the old ISP
has cut off your access to it, at which point you might untick it, or
delete it. (I still have three mailboxes at pop3.demon.co.uk there,
unticked, as I haven't deleted them, though it's been mail.demon.co.uk
for quite a while.)
<nospam@[127.0.0.1]> wrote
[]
>>I send and receive with multiple email addresses - aliases and domains.
>>TP only allows one SMTP server - but that doesn't stop you sending
>>with whatever *email* address (or sender details etc) that you wish.
>>All taken care of by those lovely 'personalities'. ;)
Yes; I send via PlusNet's outgoing server, but my emails still have my
>>TP only allows one SMTP server - but that doesn't stop you sending
>>with whatever *email* address (or sender details etc) that you wish.
>>All taken care of by those lovely 'personalities'. ;)
Demon email address as From: and Reply-To:.
In theory, some ISPs may not allow emails to be sent using their
outgoing server that seem to come from addresses other than one of their
own customers, though I'm not aware of any; I know PlusNet offer less
_support_ for such emails (some years ago I had a problem with a couple
of emails apparently not working properly, and PN weren't interested.
Problem might well not have been anything to do with them of course).
>>
>This looks like what I am seeking.
>
>I want to be able to send and receive using old ISP settings (POP3 and
>SMTP) and email addresses.
>I want to be able to send and receive using new ISP settings (POP3 and
>SMTP) and email addresses.
>
>I am doing just the former at the moment.
Your old ISP may turn off your access to their servers eventually; most
>This looks like what I am seeking.
>
>I want to be able to send and receive using old ISP settings (POP3 and
>SMTP) and email addresses.
>I want to be able to send and receive using new ISP settings (POP3 and
>SMTP) and email addresses.
>
>I am doing just the former at the moment.
claim the right to do so, though (a) it's often a matter of several
months, (b) they often don't, though they say they will.
Turnpike itself will only let you set a single SMTP server (the one for
_sending_ email). It lets you set multiple POP3 accounts (receiving),
though.
>
>If you would be so kind, I wonder if you could give me the steps to add
>the latter?
>I would like to get it right first time rather than experiment
>resulting in a confused situation!
Get into the Configure Email window (I do it from TP explorer; someone
>If you would be so kind, I wonder if you could give me the steps to add
>the latter?
>I would like to get it right first time rather than experiment
>resulting in a confused situation!
else said from Connect works fine).
In the bottom, you will see a window (under the "Enable POP3 accounts"
tickbox) listing your POP3 accounts; you probably only have one. You can
have several - including ones you aren't using; each has a tickbox in
the window. To add a new one, click the Add button to the right of the
window; a window will pop up asking for the server name, Mailbox, and
Password, all of which you'll have to get from the new ISP. The server
name is usually something like pop3.isp.com, but not always - some have
mail instead of pop3, some have net instead of com, and so on. The
mailbox is often the email address they have given you - but it may or
may not have the @ and the bit after that, or may be something
different. The password, again, may be the same as that for SMTP, and/or
that which you use in the router to establish a connection, or may be
different to both. You also have to choose fetch or mirror, depending on
whether you want to leave the emails on the server (mirror) or not; if
you're setting up several devices (computers, 'phones, ...), you'd
probably want to set mirror on all but one (or on all, but that can risk
your mailbox on the server becoming full and people emailing you getting
bounces; Demon discard emails after 30 [IIRR] days, others vary). And
you set how often TP should check.
You vary the _order_ in which it checks the POP3 accounts with the Move
Up and Down buttons; if you put your old one last, you may see the
sending mail bar in Connect go brown instead of blue once the old ISP
has cut off your access to it, at which point you might untick it, or
delete it. (I still have three mailboxes at pop3.demon.co.uk there,
unticked, as I haven't deleted them, though it's been mail.demon.co.uk
for quite a while.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
Chris
Feb 15, 2015, 4:04:06 PM2/15/15
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In article <ziKnoAWn...@soft255.demon.co.uk>, "J. P. Gilliver
(John)" <ju...@soft255.demon.co.uk> writes
Thankyou - I am getting on well - up to a point.
I have gone to Configure Email Transfer - ADD - and set up one of the
new ISP email addresses.
Emails to this address can be received using the old ISP's SMTP server.
Then I changed to the new ISP's SMTP server - and that worked as well.
Emails with all email addresses (old and new) were received.
I could even send from one old address to another old address using the
new SMTP.
What are the next steps?
I suspect they involve setting up folders, personalities, routing, email
aliases, domain etc.
I am sighing. It's been over ten years since I messed about with those!
It has all become rather hazy.
What is the order of setting up the above things?
--
Chris
(John)" <ju...@soft255.demon.co.uk> writes
I have gone to Configure Email Transfer - ADD - and set up one of the
new ISP email addresses.
Emails to this address can be received using the old ISP's SMTP server.
Then I changed to the new ISP's SMTP server - and that worked as well.
Emails with all email addresses (old and new) were received.
I could even send from one old address to another old address using the
new SMTP.
What are the next steps?
I suspect they involve setting up folders, personalities, routing, email
aliases, domain etc.
I am sighing. It's been over ten years since I messed about with those!
It has all become rather hazy.
What is the order of setting up the above things?
--
Chris
John Hall
Feb 15, 2015, 4:59:58 PM2/15/15
to
In message <0y5mcwUq...@soft255.demon.co.uk>, "J. P. Gilliver
connected (as far as TP is concerned). I don't know what would happen if
I tried when connected, though I suspect nothing terrible.
(John)" <ju...@soft255.demon.co.uk> writes
>In article <7v8sbIBzZy3UFwWO@jhall_nospamxx.demon.co.uk>, on Sat, 14
>Feb 2015, John Hall <john_...@jhall.co.uk> wrote
>>In message <P$D4$uR8zn...@soft255.demon.co.uk>, "J. P. Gilliver
>>(John)" <ju...@soft255.demon.co.uk> writes
>>>Then, within Turnpike (the explorer part, not Connect - probably
>>>better to close Connect):
>>>
>>>Configure | Email transfer.
>>
>>Interesting. In Connect is where I always make any changes that might
>>be needed in Configure > Email transfer.
>
>Ah. Maybe either is OK. I just assumed it might be safer not to change
>the settings while actually connected.
Though in Connect, I think I've always done it when not actually
>In article <7v8sbIBzZy3UFwWO@jhall_nospamxx.demon.co.uk>, on Sat, 14
>Feb 2015, John Hall <john_...@jhall.co.uk> wrote
>>In message <P$D4$uR8zn...@soft255.demon.co.uk>, "J. P. Gilliver
>>(John)" <ju...@soft255.demon.co.uk> writes
>>>Then, within Turnpike (the explorer part, not Connect - probably
>>>better to close Connect):
>>>
>>>Configure | Email transfer.
>>
>>Interesting. In Connect is where I always make any changes that might
>>be needed in Configure > Email transfer.
>
>Ah. Maybe either is OK. I just assumed it might be safer not to change
>the settings while actually connected.
connected (as far as TP is concerned). I don't know what would happen if
I tried when connected, though I suspect nothing terrible.
J. P. Gilliver (John)
Feb 15, 2015, 6:01:20 PM2/15/15
to
In article <Ww6MHIDenQ4UFwKR@[127.0.0.1]>, on Sun, 15 Feb 2015, Chris
<nospam@[127.0.0.1]> wrote
[]
receiving server, you'd have to change which ones have ticks in the
lower (POP3) window.
>I could even send from one old address to another old address using the
>new SMTP.
To test those, untick both (all if more than two) in the POP3 window,
then _send_ a test email to both your new and old email addresses (I'm
assuming those include the name of the old and new ISPs). Then tick just
one of them, turn collecting email off and on in Connect, and see what
(if anything) is received; the logging window in Connect may tell you
what's going on. Then repeat the whole exercise (including the sending
of the test emails, in case the fetching removed them from the server),
but with the other one ticked.
>
>What are the next steps?
>I suspect they involve setting up folders, personalities, routing,
>email aliases, domain etc.
Well, the Configure Email transfer has probably established (if the
above worked) that you can send and receive emails. Where those emails
_go_ when received is another matter, which does indeed involve the
above things. I _think_ any email received will go into _one_ of your
existing folders.
>I am sighing. It's been over ten years since I messed about with those!
>It has all become rather hazy.
>What is the order of setting up the above things?
>
I _think_ the personalities just determine how your outgoing emails look
- From:/Reply-To: headers, signatures. Unless you want to continue
sending from your old email address, you could just edit your current
personality/ies rather than creating new ones. Similarly, unless you
particularly want (say) emails sent to your old email addresses filed
separately, I don't think you need new folders. But I'm busking here:
others can probably be more definitive. (I haven't changed routing rules
for years either!)
are movable, and those who move! - Benjamin Franklin
<nospam@[127.0.0.1]> wrote
[]
>Thankyou - I am getting on well - up to a point.
Good (-:
>I have gone to Configure Email Transfer - ADD - and set up one of the
>new ISP email addresses.
I take it you mean you've set up a POP3 account, for _receiving_ emails.
>new ISP email addresses.
>
>Emails to this address can be received using the old ISP's SMTP server.
You use an SMTP server to _send_ emails.
>Emails to this address can be received using the old ISP's SMTP server.
>
>Then I changed to the new ISP's SMTP server - and that worked as well.
>Emails with all email addresses (old and new) were received.
Changing the SMTP server wouldn't affect _receiving_ emails. To change
>Then I changed to the new ISP's SMTP server - and that worked as well.
>Emails with all email addresses (old and new) were received.
receiving server, you'd have to change which ones have ticks in the
lower (POP3) window.
>I could even send from one old address to another old address using the
>new SMTP.
then _send_ a test email to both your new and old email addresses (I'm
assuming those include the name of the old and new ISPs). Then tick just
one of them, turn collecting email off and on in Connect, and see what
(if anything) is received; the logging window in Connect may tell you
what's going on. Then repeat the whole exercise (including the sending
of the test emails, in case the fetching removed them from the server),
but with the other one ticked.
>
>What are the next steps?
>I suspect they involve setting up folders, personalities, routing,
>email aliases, domain etc.
above worked) that you can send and receive emails. Where those emails
_go_ when received is another matter, which does indeed involve the
above things. I _think_ any email received will go into _one_ of your
existing folders.
>I am sighing. It's been over ten years since I messed about with those!
>It has all become rather hazy.
>What is the order of setting up the above things?
>
- From:/Reply-To: headers, signatures. Unless you want to continue
sending from your old email address, you could just edit your current
personality/ies rather than creating new ones. Similarly, unless you
particularly want (say) emails sent to your old email addresses filed
separately, I don't think you need new folders. But I'm busking here:
others can probably be more definitive. (I haven't changed routing rules
for years either!)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
All humanity is divided into three classes: those who are immovable, those who
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
are movable, and those who move! - Benjamin Franklin
Chris
Feb 17, 2015, 3:12:37 PM2/17/15
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In article <RcrP3UKh...@soft255.demon.co.uk>, "J. P. Gilliver
(John)" <ju...@soft255.demon.co.uk> writes
It is said "Cast your bread upon the waters ...".
Mine has possibly returned to me because back in the olden days at 5:30
in the morning 12 Feb 2001 I started the idea of the Turnpike FNAQ in
this NG.
I reckon it has expired from Google.
I could find only some of the thread there - though I've still got it
archived here.
The thread grew to about 80 articles as people added to the list of tips
and tricks.
Eventually the FNAQ was put on the plainfaqs site
http://www.plainfaqs.org.uk/
under the heading "Useful Tips for those using Turnpike Six ".
The unofficial FAQs are there as well:
http://www.plainfaqs.org.uk/six/ufaq.html
Q3.02 gives this:
BEGIN QUOTE
Q3.02: I have just registered with a second ISP, how do I
separate my incoming mails by domain name?
A3.02: For the purposes of this explanation, I am going to use
two of my own id’s: mailto:tar...@wotmeworry.org.ukand
mailto:tar...@parisite.org.uk
I do not allow either of these id’s to use the Inbox because that
would actually make life more difficult. I already had an email name
tarpit, if you do not have an appropriate email name, then choose
Configure / Email Aliases in Turnpike Explorer
I proceeded as follows:
1 In Turnpike Connect
a) Select Configure / Host
b) Add the second domain ( parisite.org.uk ) into the box marked
“Accept email for” by using the + button
c) Tick the two boxes marked “ Allow mailbox/newstands to use
other domain names ” and “ Allow mailbox/newstands to use other
organization text ”
d) Click on OK
2 In Turnpike Explorer set up a mailbox for the first ISP
mailto:tar...@wotmeworry.org.uk
a) Select File / New / Folder and follow the steps in the
New Folder Wizard, give a name that is meaningful to you – I chose
“Demonic tarpit”
b) Choose No, do not add a rule now
c) Ignore the warning that the folder has not been set up to
accept mail, and continue to the end of the wizard
d) Right-click on the new folder and select Properties / Rules
e) Click New and enter the custom rule
/for.*tarpit@wotmeworry\.org\.uk/h
f) Click on OK
g) Click on Apply then OK
3 Still in Turnpike Explorer, set up a mailbox for the second
ISP mailto:tar...@parisite.org.uk
a) Select File / New / Folder and follow the steps in the
New Folder Wizard, give a name that is meaningful to you – I chose
“Euro tarpit”
b) Choose No, do not add a rule now
c) Ignore the warning that the folder has not been set up to
accept mail, and continue to the end of the wizard
d) Right-click on the new folder and select Properties / Rules
e) Click New and enter the custom rule
/for.*tarpit@parisite\.org\.uk/h
f) Click on OK
g) Click on Apply then OK
4 Still in Turnpike Explorer, select Configure / Folder
Routeing and move the two new folders above the Inbox
END QUOTE
This seems to work.
Does it look OK to you?
One thing I didn't fully understand is the custom rule:
/for.*tarpit@wotmeworry\.org\.uk/h
What does it do?
In particular, what does the first part do? (/for.*)
I understand the escape characters before the dots
and that the "h" at the end means the headers are being scanned.
(Why not just scan the "TO" field though?)
I really do appreciate the goodwill of those participating in this
newsgroup.
It would be wonderful to chat on the phone with some of them but I can't
think of any way of establishing contact without compromising security
or privacy.
--
Chris
(John)" <ju...@soft255.demon.co.uk> writes
>I _think_ the personalities just determine how your outgoing emails
>look - From:/Reply-To: headers, signatures. Unless you want to continue
>sending from your old email address, you could just edit your current
>personality/ies rather than creating new ones. Similarly, unless you
>particularly want (say) emails sent to your old email addresses filed
>separately, I don't think you need new folders. But I'm busking here:
>others can probably be more definitive. (I haven't changed routing
>rules for years either!)
John - thankyou. Progress is gradually being made.
>look - From:/Reply-To: headers, signatures. Unless you want to continue
>sending from your old email address, you could just edit your current
>personality/ies rather than creating new ones. Similarly, unless you
>particularly want (say) emails sent to your old email addresses filed
>separately, I don't think you need new folders. But I'm busking here:
>others can probably be more definitive. (I haven't changed routing
>rules for years either!)
It is said "Cast your bread upon the waters ...".
Mine has possibly returned to me because back in the olden days at 5:30
in the morning 12 Feb 2001 I started the idea of the Turnpike FNAQ in
this NG.
I reckon it has expired from Google.
I could find only some of the thread there - though I've still got it
archived here.
The thread grew to about 80 articles as people added to the list of tips
and tricks.
Eventually the FNAQ was put on the plainfaqs site
http://www.plainfaqs.org.uk/
under the heading "Useful Tips for those using Turnpike Six ".
The unofficial FAQs are there as well:
http://www.plainfaqs.org.uk/six/ufaq.html
Q3.02 gives this:
BEGIN QUOTE
Q3.02: I have just registered with a second ISP, how do I
separate my incoming mails by domain name?
A3.02: For the purposes of this explanation, I am going to use
two of my own id’s: mailto:tar...@wotmeworry.org.ukand
mailto:tar...@parisite.org.uk
I do not allow either of these id’s to use the Inbox because that
would actually make life more difficult. I already had an email name
tarpit, if you do not have an appropriate email name, then choose
Configure / Email Aliases in Turnpike Explorer
I proceeded as follows:
1 In Turnpike Connect
a) Select Configure / Host
b) Add the second domain ( parisite.org.uk ) into the box marked
“Accept email for” by using the + button
c) Tick the two boxes marked “ Allow mailbox/newstands to use
other domain names ” and “ Allow mailbox/newstands to use other
organization text ”
d) Click on OK
2 In Turnpike Explorer set up a mailbox for the first ISP
mailto:tar...@wotmeworry.org.uk
a) Select File / New / Folder and follow the steps in the
New Folder Wizard, give a name that is meaningful to you – I chose
“Demonic tarpit”
b) Choose No, do not add a rule now
c) Ignore the warning that the folder has not been set up to
accept mail, and continue to the end of the wizard
d) Right-click on the new folder and select Properties / Rules
e) Click New and enter the custom rule
/for.*tarpit@wotmeworry\.org\.uk/h
f) Click on OK
g) Click on Apply then OK
3 Still in Turnpike Explorer, set up a mailbox for the second
ISP mailto:tar...@parisite.org.uk
a) Select File / New / Folder and follow the steps in the
New Folder Wizard, give a name that is meaningful to you – I chose
“Euro tarpit”
b) Choose No, do not add a rule now
c) Ignore the warning that the folder has not been set up to
accept mail, and continue to the end of the wizard
d) Right-click on the new folder and select Properties / Rules
e) Click New and enter the custom rule
/for.*tarpit@parisite\.org\.uk/h
f) Click on OK
g) Click on Apply then OK
4 Still in Turnpike Explorer, select Configure / Folder
Routeing and move the two new folders above the Inbox
END QUOTE
This seems to work.
Does it look OK to you?
One thing I didn't fully understand is the custom rule:
/for.*tarpit@wotmeworry\.org\.uk/h
What does it do?
In particular, what does the first part do? (/for.*)
I understand the escape characters before the dots
and that the "h" at the end means the headers are being scanned.
(Why not just scan the "TO" field though?)
I really do appreciate the goodwill of those participating in this
newsgroup.
It would be wonderful to chat on the phone with some of them but I can't
think of any way of establishing contact without compromising security
or privacy.
--
Chris
Roy Brown
Feb 18, 2015, 8:53:20 AM2/18/15
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In message <jsPHdOE6654UFw8n@[127.0.0.1]>, Chris <nospam@[127.0.0.1]>
writing at 20:04:10 in his/her local time opines:-
>One thing I didn't fully understand is the custom rule:
>/for.*tarpit@wotmeworry\.org\.uk/h
>
>What does it do?
>In particular, what does the first part do? (/for.*)
This should be the reliable indicator, in the header, of who this copy
of the message is going to. And still is, except perhaps for Demon'
'orphans' that go to Administrator, though there is usually - but not
always - another 'for' with your intended name in it.
>I understand the escape characters before the dots
>and that the "h" at the end means the headers are being scanned.
>(Why not just scan the "TO" field though?)
Because it might not be TO you - you might have been CC'ed or BCC'ed.
>I really do appreciate the goodwill of those participating in this
>newsgroup.
>It would be wonderful to chat on the phone with some of them but I
>can't think of any way of establishing contact without compromising
>security or privacy.
Yours, you mean, with no valid return address? :-)
You can always email anyone here who has given a valid address (even if
it doesn't look very valid) and give them your phone number - perhaps
they will call you?
--
Roy Brown 'Have nothing in your houses that you do not know to be
Kelmscott Ltd useful, or believe to be beautiful' William Morris
writing at 20:04:10 in his/her local time opines:-
>One thing I didn't fully understand is the custom rule:
>/for.*tarpit@wotmeworry\.org\.uk/h
>
>What does it do?
>In particular, what does the first part do? (/for.*)
of the message is going to. And still is, except perhaps for Demon'
'orphans' that go to Administrator, though there is usually - but not
always - another 'for' with your intended name in it.
>I understand the escape characters before the dots
>and that the "h" at the end means the headers are being scanned.
>(Why not just scan the "TO" field though?)
>I really do appreciate the goodwill of those participating in this
>newsgroup.
>It would be wonderful to chat on the phone with some of them but I
>can't think of any way of establishing contact without compromising
>security or privacy.
You can always email anyone here who has given a valid address (even if
it doesn't look very valid) and give them your phone number - perhaps
they will call you?
--
Roy Brown 'Have nothing in your houses that you do not know to be
Kelmscott Ltd useful, or believe to be beautiful' William Morris
su...@babyplum.demon.co.uk
Mar 8, 2015, 1:29:02 PM3/8/15
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The message I get is ' is Talking to smtp.demon.co.uk on Sat, 7 Mar 2015 15:30:18 +0000
>>> DATA
<<< 554 5.7.1 <*****@hotmail.com>: Recipient address rejected: Access denied'
I've looked at this thread, but am not confident about changing my Turnpike settings. I think the answer should be simple so please could someone help me with telling me what to change in Turnpike? Sorry if it's already been said.
J. P. Gilliver (John)
Mar 10, 2015, 5:30:52 AM3/10/15
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In article <cfbc5bed-1a00-4b73...@googlegroups.com>, on
Sun, 8 Mar 2015, su...@babyplum.demon.co.uk wrote
[]
of hotmail's one, or even if they have one); I don't know if demon even
allow you to send via their one under Loyalty.
Email Transfer, enter name of SMTP server in Mail gateway; if it's one
that needs a username/password, click Password, then (in the window that
appears) click Log on using, and enter them. (Remember that, in
Turnpike, the number of asterisks shown bears no relation to the length
of the password.)
is no more a science than a heap of stones is a house. -Jules Henry Poincare
(1854-1912)
Sun, 8 Mar 2015, su...@babyplum.demon.co.uk wrote
[]
>I have recently left Demon as my ISP and (possibly mistekenly)gone to
>BT. I've asked and received the Demon Dial Loyalty to keep my email
>address. To receive my emails via Turnpike, I use serv7753 which I'm
>very thankful for. But I can't send any emails with Turnpike any more
>and have to use the Outlook web app.
>
>The message I get is ' is Talking to smtp.demon.co.uk on Sat, 7 Mar
>2015 15:30:18 +0000
> >>> DATA
> <<< 554 5.7.1 <*****@hotmail.com>: Recipient address rejected: Access
>denied'
It might be easier to use a different SMTP server (I don't know the name
>BT. I've asked and received the Demon Dial Loyalty to keep my email
>address. To receive my emails via Turnpike, I use serv7753 which I'm
>very thankful for. But I can't send any emails with Turnpike any more
>and have to use the Outlook web app.
>
>The message I get is ' is Talking to smtp.demon.co.uk on Sat, 7 Mar
>2015 15:30:18 +0000
> >>> DATA
> <<< 554 5.7.1 <*****@hotmail.com>: Recipient address rejected: Access
>denied'
of hotmail's one, or even if they have one); I don't know if demon even
allow you to send via their one under Loyalty.
>
>I've looked at this thread, but am not confident about changing my
>Turnpike settings. I think the answer should be simple so please could
>someone help me with telling me what to change in Turnpike? Sorry if
>it's already been said.
If you _do_ have access to a different SMTP server, it's Configure,
>I've looked at this thread, but am not confident about changing my
>Turnpike settings. I think the answer should be simple so please could
>someone help me with telling me what to change in Turnpike? Sorry if
>it's already been said.
Email Transfer, enter name of SMTP server in Mail gateway; if it's one
that needs a username/password, click Password, then (in the window that
appears) click Log on using, and enter them. (Remember that, in
Turnpike, the number of asterisks shown bears no relation to the length
of the password.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
Science is built with facts as a house is with stones--but a collection of facts
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
is no more a science than a heap of stones is a house. -Jules Henry Poincare
(1854-1912)
Wm...
Mar 10, 2015, 5:30:53 AM3/10/15
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Sun, 8 Mar 2015 10:29:01
<cfbc5bed-1a00-4b73...@googlegroups.com>
su...@babyplum.demon.co.uk wrote...
The quoting is sufficiently crap I don't know who said what when
As a result I've no idea who to help with what.
--
Wm...
<cfbc5bed-1a00-4b73...@googlegroups.com>
su...@babyplum.demon.co.uk wrote...
As a result I've no idea who to help with what.
--
Wm...
su...@babyplum.demon.co.uk
Mar 10, 2015, 3:28:40 PM3/10/15
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Bryan Morris
Mar 10, 2015, 3:47:15 PM3/10/15
to
In message <036ec43e-f226-4431...@googlegroups.com>,
su...@babyplum.demon.co.uk writes
with various ISPs since (Freeserve/Tiscali) and now BT. Used Turnpike
throughout.
I collect POP3 from various servers , including Easily for my own domain
ones (funnily enough though I haven't been with them for years I still
get (spam) via Tiscali
I chose to send emails via Easily SMTP rather than BT but for newsgroups
I send via BT (in my case to Uni Berlin
Just set up as others have said your email by configure email transfer
--
Bryan Morris
Public Key http://www.pgp.uk.demon.net - 0xCC6237E9
su...@babyplum.demon.co.uk writes
>
>Thank you John, I think I now know a bit more about where to try to go.
>When I was in the 'switchover' time (Demon to BT) I tried to ask BT
>questions about SMTP but the person I asked didn't know what I meant. I
>assumed that having Demon Loyalty meant I could continue with the email
>system I used (Turnpike of course).I now have a horrible feeling that
>I'll end up losing Turnpike after all and will have to try finding an
>alternative program. Thank you to all who have read this.
>
Not sure what the problem is - I left Demon probably 15 years ago - been
>Thank you John, I think I now know a bit more about where to try to go.
>When I was in the 'switchover' time (Demon to BT) I tried to ask BT
>questions about SMTP but the person I asked didn't know what I meant. I
>assumed that having Demon Loyalty meant I could continue with the email
>system I used (Turnpike of course).I now have a horrible feeling that
>I'll end up losing Turnpike after all and will have to try finding an
>alternative program. Thank you to all who have read this.
>
with various ISPs since (Freeserve/Tiscali) and now BT. Used Turnpike
throughout.
I collect POP3 from various servers , including Easily for my own domain
ones (funnily enough though I haven't been with them for years I still
get (spam) via Tiscali
I chose to send emails via Easily SMTP rather than BT but for newsgroups
I send via BT (in my case to Uni Berlin
Just set up as others have said your email by configure email transfer
--
Bryan Morris
Public Key http://www.pgp.uk.demon.net - 0xCC6237E9
John Hall
Mar 10, 2015, 4:19:38 PM3/10/15
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>Thank you John, I think I now know a bit more about where to try to go.
>When I was in the 'switchover' time (Demon to BT) I tried to ask BT
>questions about SMTP but the person I asked didn't know what I meant. I
>assumed that having Demon Loyalty meant I could continue with the email
>system I used (Turnpike of course).I now have a horrible feeling that
>I'll end up losing Turnpike after all and will have to try finding an
>alternative program. Thank you to all who have read this.
>
I'm sure that BT must provide access for their customers to an outbound
>When I was in the 'switchover' time (Demon to BT) I tried to ask BT
>questions about SMTP but the person I asked didn't know what I meant. I
>assumed that having Demon Loyalty meant I could continue with the email
>system I used (Turnpike of course).I now have a horrible feeling that
>I'll end up losing Turnpike after all and will have to try finding an
>alternative program. Thank you to all who have read this.
>
SMTP server, so you shouldn't need to give up Turnpike. It's a pity that
the help person you talked to was so useless. A quick websearch on "bt
isp email settings" turned up these pages that look as though they might
be relevant:
http://bt.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/44917/~/bt-email%3A-what-are-the-settings-for-outgoing-and-incoming-mail-servers%3F
http://bt.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/44918/related/1/session/L2F2LzEvdGltZS8xNDI2MDE3NzI4L3NpZC9sUzFOZS1nbQ%3D%3D
https://community.bt.com/t5/Email/Using-BT-smtp-servers-for-a-non-BT-email-account/td-p/215183
https://community.bt.com/t5/ADSL-Copper-Broadband-Speed/Third-party-ISP-and-SMTP-settings-for-outlook/td-p/32612
(the third message on that last thread looks as if it may be helpful)
It looks as if BT's outbound SMTP server is called mail.btinternet.com
and requires authentication (ie a username and password as John G
described above).
bert
Mar 10, 2015, 8:01:31 PM3/10/15
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In message <id1ey3Fp90$UFw26@jhall_nospamxx.demon.co.uk>, John Hall
<john_...@jhall.co.uk> writes
I'm currently using BT with TP. The only threat on the horizon with TP
is if they insist on suing SSL. I'm currently playing with Thunderbird
as an alternative and it is very similar.
--
bert
<john_...@jhall.co.uk> writes
is if they insist on suing SSL. I'm currently playing with Thunderbird
as an alternative and it is very similar.
--
bert
bert
Mar 10, 2015, 8:01:31 PM3/10/15
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In message <cfbc5bed-1a00-4b73...@googlegroups.com>,
su...@babyplum.demon.co.uk writes
Read the user guide then come back and ask if there is anything you cant
understand.
--
bert
su...@babyplum.demon.co.uk writes
understand.
--
bert
Chrisj194801
Mar 11, 2015, 6:56:34 AM3/11/15
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On Wednesday, March 11, 2015 at 12:01:31 AM UTC, bert wrote:
> I'm currently using BT with TP. The only threat on the horizon with TP
> is if they insist on suing SSL. I'm currently playing with Thunderbird
> as an alternative and it is very similar.
> --
> bert
I too use BT for SMTP mail transmission from TP. I had the very devil of a job to find their SMTP servers since they seemed to be running a mail system transition at the time. In the end I found one which accepted SSL connections, so that I had to run through Stunnel. The config file entry is:
> I'm currently using BT with TP. The only threat on the horizon with TP
> is if they insist on suing SSL. I'm currently playing with Thunderbird
> as an alternative and it is very similar.
> --
> bert
[BT-smtp]
client = yes
accept = 127.0.0.1:25
connect = smtp.outlook.com:587
protocol=smtp
If John Hall's suggestion works then that would be easier to implement
Regards
Chris
su...@babyplum.demon.co.uk
Mar 12, 2015, 4:29:23 PM3/12/15
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J. P. Gilliver (John)
Mar 12, 2015, 5:38:31 PM3/12/15
to
In article <036ec43e-f226-4431...@googlegroups.com>, on
Tue, 10 Mar 2015, su...@babyplum.demon.co.uk wrote
[]
not too surprising with BT.) Others have suggested sites to look at to
find the settings, and even a name for the server.
>assumed that having Demon Loyalty meant I could continue with the email
I'd think so too, but don't know (I send via PlusNet's server) - can
anyone here tell us? (Whether Loyalty includes access to a Demon SMTP
server, that is.)
>system I used (Turnpike of course).I now have a horrible feeling that
>I'll end up losing Turnpike after all and will have to try finding an
>alternative program. Thank you to all who have read this.
>
No reason to lose Turnpike. Only two possible snags: 1. If you had a
Demon-specific version (S in the version number), you "couldn't" use it
with any other ISP. However, Demon turned off their server that made
those versions work, a while ago, and people here sorted out
workarounds, so if you're still using Turnpike, you've either got a
universal version anyway (i. e. you paid for it at some point), or
you've already got one of those fixes in place. 2. If the servers you
use use some sort of authentication which Turnpike can't do natively,
you either have to use stunnel or one of the virus-scanners (I forget
which one - might be AVG) that handles that kind of authentication as a
side-effect, if you let it scan emails.
many kinds of motivation, among other functions. The hypothalamus controls the
"Four F's": fighting, fleeing, feeding, and mating. -Heard in a neuropsychology
classroom
Tue, 10 Mar 2015, su...@babyplum.demon.co.uk wrote
[]
>Thank you John, I think I now know a bit more about where to try to go.
>When I was in the 'switchover' time (Demon to BT) I tried to ask BT
>questions about SMTP but the person I asked didn't know what I meant. I
As another has said, it's a pity you got such a person. (Though I think
>When I was in the 'switchover' time (Demon to BT) I tried to ask BT
>questions about SMTP but the person I asked didn't know what I meant. I
not too surprising with BT.) Others have suggested sites to look at to
find the settings, and even a name for the server.
>assumed that having Demon Loyalty meant I could continue with the email
anyone here tell us? (Whether Loyalty includes access to a Demon SMTP
server, that is.)
>system I used (Turnpike of course).I now have a horrible feeling that
>I'll end up losing Turnpike after all and will have to try finding an
>alternative program. Thank you to all who have read this.
>
Demon-specific version (S in the version number), you "couldn't" use it
with any other ISP. However, Demon turned off their server that made
those versions work, a while ago, and people here sorted out
workarounds, so if you're still using Turnpike, you've either got a
universal version anyway (i. e. you paid for it at some point), or
you've already got one of those fixes in place. 2. If the servers you
use use some sort of authentication which Turnpike can't do natively,
you either have to use stunnel or one of the virus-scanners (I forget
which one - might be AVG) that handles that kind of authentication as a
side-effect, if you let it scan emails.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
The hypothalamus is one of the most important parts of the brain, involved in
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
many kinds of motivation, among other functions. The hypothalamus controls the
"Four F's": fighting, fleeing, feeding, and mating. -Heard in a neuropsychology
classroom
J. P. Gilliver (John)
Mar 12, 2015, 5:46:33 PM3/12/15
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In article <6d52f661-7d81-4a84...@googlegroups.com>, on
Thu, 12 Mar 2015, su...@babyplum.demon.co.uk wrote
[]
the apparent success in emailing yourself _could_ be Turnpike: for
Demon-style accounts, the default setting in Turnpike is that if you
email a...@xyz.demon.co.uk from d...@xyz.demon.co.uk, i. e. emails between
addresses that have the same part after the @, then they don't actually
leave the computer, it assuming they are different users on the same
computer (or different aliases for the same person). So your test
message _may_ have never left your computer.
I can't find where the setting is that forces all emails to go out and
come in again.
Thu, 12 Mar 2015, su...@babyplum.demon.co.uk wrote
[]
>I've had a small amount of success so far as I've managed to send
>myself a test message on the BT SMTP server as you mentioned - it
>didn't seem to need a password. A test to another person just stayed in
>the queue. I hope to have a bit more time to spend on this in the next
>few days.
Depending on how BT email addresses work (I don't know much about them),
>myself a test message on the BT SMTP server as you mentioned - it
>didn't seem to need a password. A test to another person just stayed in
>the queue. I hope to have a bit more time to spend on this in the next
>few days.
the apparent success in emailing yourself _could_ be Turnpike: for
Demon-style accounts, the default setting in Turnpike is that if you
email a...@xyz.demon.co.uk from d...@xyz.demon.co.uk, i. e. emails between
addresses that have the same part after the @, then they don't actually
leave the computer, it assuming they are different users on the same
computer (or different aliases for the same person). So your test
message _may_ have never left your computer.
I can't find where the setting is that forces all emails to go out and
come in again.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
J. P. Gilliver (John)
Mar 12, 2015, 5:48:33 PM3/12/15
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In article <siR+lHQQoj$UF...@tarrcity.demon.co.uk>, on Tue, 10 Mar 2015,
Wm... <tcn...@tarrcity.demon.co.uk> wrote
[]
checkout person will say, "Strip down, face toward me." (DNRC newsletter 1997)
Wm... <tcn...@tarrcity.demon.co.uk> wrote
[]
>The quoting is sufficiently crap I don't know who said what when
>
>As a result I've no idea who to help with what.
>
Don't worry - you didn't help anyone with anything (-:
>
>As a result I've no idea who to help with what.
>
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
If you don't know how to orient your card to swipe it through the reader, the
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
checkout person will say, "Strip down, face toward me." (DNRC newsletter 1997)
bert
Mar 12, 2015, 6:42:07 PM3/12/15
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In message <6d52f661-7d81-4a84...@googlegroups.com>,
doesn't actually go to your ISP server.
I can assure you that the BT mail server does require a password for
sign on.
--
bert
>>http://bt.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/44917/~/bt-email%3A-what
>>-are-the-settings-for-outgoing-and-incoming-mail-servers%3F
>>
>>http://bt.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/44918/related/1/session/
>>L2F2LzEvdGltZS8xNDI2MDE3NzI4L3NpZC9sUzFOZS1nbQ%3D%3D
>>-are-the-settings-for-outgoing-and-incoming-mail-servers%3F
>>
>>http://bt.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/44918/related/1/session/
>>
>>https://community.bt.com/t5/Email/Using-BT-smtp-servers-for-a-non-BT-em
>>ail-account/td-p/215183
>>
>>https://community.bt.com/t5/ADSL-Copper-Broadband-Speed/Third-party-ISP
>>https://community.bt.com/t5/Email/Using-BT-smtp-servers-for-a-non-BT-em
>>ail-account/td-p/215183
>>
>>https://community.bt.com/t5/ADSL-Copper-Broadband-Speed/Third-party-ISP
>>-and-SMTP-settings-for-outlook/td-p/32612
>> (the third message on that last thread looks as if it may be helpful)
>>
>> It looks as if BT's outbound SMTP server is called mail.btinternet.com
>> and requires authentication (ie a username and password as John G
>> described above).
>> --
>> I'm not paid to implement the recognition of irony.
>> (Taken, with the author's permission, from a LiveJournal post)
>
>I've had a small amount of success so far as I've managed to send
>myself a test message on the BT SMTP server as you mentioned - it
>didn't seem to need a password. A test to another person just stayed in
>the queue. I hope to have a bit more time to spend on this in the next
>few days.
If you e-mail yourself there is a setting in TP which means the e-mail
>> (the third message on that last thread looks as if it may be helpful)
>>
>> It looks as if BT's outbound SMTP server is called mail.btinternet.com
>> and requires authentication (ie a username and password as John G
>> described above).
>> --
>> I'm not paid to implement the recognition of irony.
>> (Taken, with the author's permission, from a LiveJournal post)
>
>I've had a small amount of success so far as I've managed to send
>myself a test message on the BT SMTP server as you mentioned - it
>didn't seem to need a password. A test to another person just stayed in
>the queue. I hope to have a bit more time to spend on this in the next
>few days.
doesn't actually go to your ISP server.
I can assure you that the BT mail server does require a password for
sign on.
--
bert
John Hall
Mar 13, 2015, 6:38:43 AM3/13/15
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In message <+PV0TLM7...@soft255.demon.co.uk>, "J. P. Gilliver
(John)" <ju...@soft255.demon.co.uk> writes
punctuation in their names. It makes referring to them tricky.)
(John)" <ju...@soft255.demon.co.uk> writes
>2. If the servers you use use some sort of authentication which
>Turnpike can't do natively, you either have to use stunnel or one of
>the virus-scanners (I forget which one - might be AVG) that handles
>that kind of authentication as a side-effect, if you let it scan emails.
I think it's Avast!. Definitely not AVG. (I hate products including
>Turnpike can't do natively, you either have to use stunnel or one of
>the virus-scanners (I forget which one - might be AVG) that handles
>that kind of authentication as a side-effect, if you let it scan emails.
punctuation in their names. It makes referring to them tricky.)
Andy
Mar 13, 2015, 7:08:42 AM3/13/15
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In message <nMfHwzAU1rAVFw6Z@jhall_nospamxx.demon.co.uk>, John Hall
<john_...@jhall.co.uk> wrote
]
backwards.
--
Andy Taylor [Editor, Austrian Philatelic Society].
Visit <URL:http://www.austrianphilately.com>
<john_...@jhall.co.uk> wrote
]
>I think it's Avast!. Definitely not AVG. (I hate products including
>punctuation in their names. It makes referring to them tricky.)
Agreed; however it's better than graphic symbols - or letters printed
>punctuation in their names. It makes referring to them tricky.)
backwards.
--
Andy Taylor [Editor, Austrian Philatelic Society].
Visit <URL:http://www.austrianphilately.com>
bert
Mar 13, 2015, 11:35:28 AM3/13/15
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In message <nMfHwzAU1rAVFw6Z@jhall_nospamxx.demon.co.uk>, John Hall
<john_...@jhall.co.uk> writes
>In message <+PV0TLM7...@soft255.demon.co.uk>, "J. P. Gilliver
>(John)" <ju...@soft255.demon.co.uk> writes
>>2. If the servers you use use some sort of authentication which
>>Turnpike can't do natively, you either have to use stunnel or one of
>>the virus-scanners (I forget which one - might be AVG) that handles
>>that kind of authentication as a side-effect, if you let it scan emails.
>
>I think it's Avast!. Definitely not AVG. (I hate products including
>punctuation in their names. It makes referring to them tricky.)
It is but I have seen some not very complimentary comments about the
>(John)" <ju...@soft255.demon.co.uk> writes
>>2. If the servers you use use some sort of authentication which
>>Turnpike can't do natively, you either have to use stunnel or one of
>>the virus-scanners (I forget which one - might be AVG) that handles
>>that kind of authentication as a side-effect, if you let it scan emails.
>
>I think it's Avast!. Definitely not AVG. (I hate products including
>punctuation in their names. It makes referring to them tricky.)
lat4est version in other ngs
--
bert
Wm...
Mar 14, 2015, 5:54:53 PM3/14/15
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Thu, 12 Mar 2015 21:47:51 <SPa$jMNHmg...@soft255.demon.co.uk>
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" <ju...@soft255.demon.co.uk> wrote...
>In article <siR+lHQQoj$UF...@tarrcity.demon.co.uk>, on Tue, 10 Mar
>2015, Wm... <tcn...@tarrcity.demon.co.uk> wrote
>[]
>>The quoting is sufficiently crap I don't know who said what when
>>
>>As a result I've no idea who to help with what.
>>
>Don't worry - you didn't help anyone with anything (-:
Touche
--
Wm...
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" <ju...@soft255.demon.co.uk> wrote...
>In article <siR+lHQQoj$UF...@tarrcity.demon.co.uk>, on Tue, 10 Mar
>2015, Wm... <tcn...@tarrcity.demon.co.uk> wrote
>[]
>>The quoting is sufficiently crap I don't know who said what when
>>
>>As a result I've no idea who to help with what.
>>
>Don't worry - you didn't help anyone with anything (-:
--
Wm...
Roy Brown
Mar 21, 2015, 9:48:50 AM3/21/15
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In message <cfbc5bed-1a00-4b73...@googlegroups.com>,
su...@babyplum.demon.co.uk writing at 10:29:01 in his/her local time
opines:-
Demon Loyalty only gives you access to your incoming Demon-addressed
mail, and does not let you send over Demon.
BT will have given you a BT Username and Password to use their outgoing
SMTP mail server, and this should be in the bumf you got from BT, so go
and plough through it, looking for these details.
If you use this service as is though, then you will have a BT mail
address, and you will have to take care to set up POP3 collection from
BT, or you will never see your replies.
However, BT will allow you to continue using your Demon email address,
but you will have to contact them with the details they gave you and ask
for specific permission to do this, or they will reject your outgoing
mail when it hits their server as not being from a BT mail address.
But as long as you tell them what you want to do, and let them set your
Demon address up as a permitted one for you, this should be fine.
Your replies will then all go to Demon, from where you will be able to
pick them up as you did before, by dint of your Loyalty subscription.
Please note though, that if you use more than one outgoing name, BT will
need to know each one that you want to use outgoing, of the form
username.subdomain.demon.co.uk (e.g. su...@babyplum.demon.co.uk,
su...@babyplum.demon.co.uk, or whatever) so you don't have quite the
freedom that Demon gave you to just invent a new username and start
using it without telling anyone. It is (or should be) a small overhead
to inform BT of extra names, though.
And next time you get a BT droid who does not know about things that he
is paid to know about (assuming you were connected to the correct team)
just ask for 'an escalation of your problem', which should get you
connected to someone who *will* know what you are looking for, possibly
even in the UK, where the real experts hang out, and not the offshore
script bunnies.
Roy
su...@babyplum.demon.co.uk writing at 10:29:01 in his/her local time
opines:-
mail, and does not let you send over Demon.
BT will have given you a BT Username and Password to use their outgoing
SMTP mail server, and this should be in the bumf you got from BT, so go
and plough through it, looking for these details.
If you use this service as is though, then you will have a BT mail
address, and you will have to take care to set up POP3 collection from
BT, or you will never see your replies.
However, BT will allow you to continue using your Demon email address,
but you will have to contact them with the details they gave you and ask
for specific permission to do this, or they will reject your outgoing
mail when it hits their server as not being from a BT mail address.
But as long as you tell them what you want to do, and let them set your
Demon address up as a permitted one for you, this should be fine.
Your replies will then all go to Demon, from where you will be able to
pick them up as you did before, by dint of your Loyalty subscription.
Please note though, that if you use more than one outgoing name, BT will
need to know each one that you want to use outgoing, of the form
username.subdomain.demon.co.uk (e.g. su...@babyplum.demon.co.uk,
su...@babyplum.demon.co.uk, or whatever) so you don't have quite the
freedom that Demon gave you to just invent a new username and start
using it without telling anyone. It is (or should be) a small overhead
to inform BT of extra names, though.
And next time you get a BT droid who does not know about things that he
is paid to know about (assuming you were connected to the correct team)
just ask for 'an escalation of your problem', which should get you
connected to someone who *will* know what you are looking for, possibly
even in the UK, where the real experts hang out, and not the offshore
script bunnies.
Roy
bert
Mar 22, 2015, 9:46:32 AM3/22/15
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In message <6g$r$eMvZXDVFwiv@x.x>, Roy Brown
<Roy_now_fre...@acanthus.demon.co.uk> writes
Add additional Account
You will then have to verify the e-mail in the normal way.
--
bert
<Roy_now_fre...@acanthus.demon.co.uk> writes
>However, BT will allow you to continue using your Demon email address,
>but you will have to contact them with the details they gave you and
>ask for specific permission to do this, or they will reject your
>outgoing mail when it hits their server as not being from a BT mail
>address.
>
>But as long as you tell them what you want to do, and let them set your
>Demon address up as a permitted one for you, this should be fine.
You set it all up through your web mail access
>but you will have to contact them with the details they gave you and
>ask for specific permission to do this, or they will reject your
>outgoing mail when it hits their server as not being from a BT mail
>address.
>
>But as long as you tell them what you want to do, and let them set your
>Demon address up as a permitted one for you, this should be fine.
Add additional Account
You will then have to verify the e-mail in the normal way.
--
bert
Wm...
Mar 25, 2015, 1:43:21 PM3/25/15
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Sat, 21 Mar 2015 13:47:27 <6g$r$eMvZXDVFwiv@x.x>
Roy Brown <Roy_now_fre...@acanthus.demon.co.uk> wrote...
>In message <cfbc5bed-1a00-4b73...@googlegroups.com>,
>su...@babyplum.demon.co.uk writing at 10:29:01 in his/her local time
>opines:-
>BT will have given you a BT Username and Password to use their outgoing
>SMTP mail server, and this should be in the bumf you got from BT, so go
>and plough through it, looking for these details.
Or just use another outbound provider like gmail or yahoo or hotmail (or
whatever it is they each call themselves these days).
>If you use this service as is though, then you will have a BT mail
>address, and you will have to take care to set up POP3 collection from
>BT, or you will never see your replies.
Not sure I understand that bit. Hasn't our correspondent already
re-arranged their addresses?
>However, BT will allow you to continue using your Demon email address,
>but you will have to contact them with the details they gave you and
>ask for specific permission to do this, or they will reject your
>outgoing mail when it hits their server as not being from a BT mail
>address.
Why use BT for outgoing mail? Am I being thick?
>But as long as you tell them what you want to do, and let them set your
>Demon address up as a permitted one for you, this should be fine.
Ugh! Really?
>Your replies will then all go to Demon, from where you will be able to
>pick them up as you did before, by dint of your Loyalty subscription.
This is sounding strange to me.
>Please note though, that if you use more than one outgoing name, BT
>will need to know each one that you want to use outgoing, of the form
>username.subdomain.demon.co.uk (e.g. su...@babyplum.demon.co.uk,
>su...@babyplum.demon.co.uk, or whatever) so you don't have quite the
>freedom that Demon gave you to just invent a new username and start
>using it without telling anyone. It is (or should be) a small overhead
>to inform BT of extra names, though.
I'm not getting this. BT have recently offered me low cost Internet
access. I don't see how they could interfere in my existing
arrangements with my (not demon, not bt) domain provider who provides me
with names, forwarding, etc.
>And next time you get a BT droid who does not know about things that he
>is paid to know about (assuming you were connected to the correct team)
no-one phoned me, it is a paper offer
>just ask for 'an escalation of your problem', which should get you
>connected to someone who *will* know what you are looking for, possibly
>even in the UK, where the real experts hang out, and not the offshore
>script bunnies.
Ummm, ok, I'm guessing that was a bit of a personal moan.
--
Wm...
Roy Brown <Roy_now_fre...@acanthus.demon.co.uk> wrote...
>In message <cfbc5bed-1a00-4b73...@googlegroups.com>,
>su...@babyplum.demon.co.uk writing at 10:29:01 in his/her local time
>opines:-
>>I have recently left Demon as my ISP and (possibly mistekenly)gone to
>>BT. I've asked and received the Demon Dial Loyalty to keep my email
>>address. To receive my emails via Turnpike, I use serv7753 which I'm
>>very thankful for. But I can't send any emails with Turnpike any more
>>and have to use the Outlook web app.
>>
>>The message I get is ' is Talking to smtp.demon.co.uk on Sat, 7 Mar
>>2015 15:30:18 +0000
>> >>> DATA
>> <<< 554 5.7.1 <*****@hotmail.com>: Recipient address rejected:
>>Access denied'
>>
>>I've looked at this thread, but am not confident about changing my
>>Turnpike settings. I think the answer should be simple so please could
>>someone help me with telling me what to change in Turnpike? Sorry if
>>it's already been said.
>
>Demon Loyalty only gives you access to your incoming Demon-addressed
>mail, and does not let you send over Demon.
You can send through any number of well know popular providers.
>>BT. I've asked and received the Demon Dial Loyalty to keep my email
>>address. To receive my emails via Turnpike, I use serv7753 which I'm
>>very thankful for. But I can't send any emails with Turnpike any more
>>and have to use the Outlook web app.
>>
>>The message I get is ' is Talking to smtp.demon.co.uk on Sat, 7 Mar
>>2015 15:30:18 +0000
>> >>> DATA
>> <<< 554 5.7.1 <*****@hotmail.com>: Recipient address rejected:
>>Access denied'
>>
>>I've looked at this thread, but am not confident about changing my
>>Turnpike settings. I think the answer should be simple so please could
>>someone help me with telling me what to change in Turnpike? Sorry if
>>it's already been said.
>
>Demon Loyalty only gives you access to your incoming Demon-addressed
>mail, and does not let you send over Demon.
>BT will have given you a BT Username and Password to use their outgoing
>SMTP mail server, and this should be in the bumf you got from BT, so go
>and plough through it, looking for these details.
whatever it is they each call themselves these days).
>If you use this service as is though, then you will have a BT mail
>address, and you will have to take care to set up POP3 collection from
>BT, or you will never see your replies.
re-arranged their addresses?
>However, BT will allow you to continue using your Demon email address,
>but you will have to contact them with the details they gave you and
>ask for specific permission to do this, or they will reject your
>outgoing mail when it hits their server as not being from a BT mail
>address.
>But as long as you tell them what you want to do, and let them set your
>Demon address up as a permitted one for you, this should be fine.
>Your replies will then all go to Demon, from where you will be able to
>pick them up as you did before, by dint of your Loyalty subscription.
>Please note though, that if you use more than one outgoing name, BT
>will need to know each one that you want to use outgoing, of the form
>username.subdomain.demon.co.uk (e.g. su...@babyplum.demon.co.uk,
>su...@babyplum.demon.co.uk, or whatever) so you don't have quite the
>freedom that Demon gave you to just invent a new username and start
>using it without telling anyone. It is (or should be) a small overhead
>to inform BT of extra names, though.
access. I don't see how they could interfere in my existing
arrangements with my (not demon, not bt) domain provider who provides me
with names, forwarding, etc.
>And next time you get a BT droid who does not know about things that he
>is paid to know about (assuming you were connected to the correct team)
>just ask for 'an escalation of your problem', which should get you
>connected to someone who *will* know what you are looking for, possibly
>even in the UK, where the real experts hang out, and not the offshore
>script bunnies.
--
Wm...
Roy Brown
Mar 26, 2015, 6:25:25 AM3/26/15
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In message <vklMJ5BW...@tarrcity.demon.co.uk>, Wm...
<tcn...@tarrcity.demon.co.uk> writing at 17:27:50 in his/her local time
anywhere as I move around, irregardless of ISP.
But I was answering Susan's question about using BT.
>>BT will have given you a BT Username and Password to use their
>>outgoing SMTP mail server, and this should be in the bumf you got from
>>BT, so go and plough through it, looking for these details.
>
>Or just use another outbound provider like gmail or yahoo or hotmail
>(or whatever it is they each call themselves these days).
Exactly.
>>If you use this service as is though, then you will have a BT mail
>>address, and you will have to take care to set up POP3 collection from
>>BT, or you will never see your replies.
>Not sure I understand that bit. Hasn't our correspondent already
>re-arranged their addresses?
No, not if they can't send out via BT, as Susan reported she couldn't.
Until she can, the rearrangement is not complete..
>>However, BT will allow you to continue using your Demon email address,
>>but you will have to contact them with the details they gave you and
>>ask for specific permission to do this, or they will reject your
>>outgoing mail when it hits their server as not being from a BT mail address.
>Why use BT for outgoing mail? Am I being thick?
Because it is her ISP. Isn't that the default and desirable choice,
other things being equal? (Which in my case, they are not, but then I am
a perennial globetrotter).
>>But as long as you tell them what you want to do, and let them set
>>your Demon address up as a permitted one for you, this should be fine.
>Ugh! Really?
Trust your Uncle Roy on this :-(
>>Your replies will then all go to Demon, from where you will be able to
>>pick them up as you did before, by dint of your Loyalty subscription.
>This is sounding strange to me.
Post with a permitted Demon address through BT, people reply, where do
you think the reply will go?
>>Please note though, that if you use more than one outgoing name, BT
>>will need to know each one that you want to use outgoing, of the form
>>username.subdomain.demon.co.uk (e.g. su...@babyplum.demon.co.uk,
>>su...@babyplum.demon.co.uk, or whatever) so you don't have quite the
>>freedom that Demon gave you to just invent a new username and start
>>using it without telling anyone. It is (or should be) a small overhead
>>to inform BT of extra names, though.
>I'm not getting this. BT have recently offered me low cost Internet
>access. I don't see how they could interfere in my existing
>arrangements with my (not demon, not bt) domain provider who provides
>me with names, forwarding, etc.
And outgoing SMTP?
You use BT's outgoing SMTP, as a BT account set up with all the defaults
will, they make the rules about what they will and won't accept through
it.
>>And next time you get a BT droid who does not know about things that
>>he is paid to know about (assuming you were connected to the correct
>>team)
>no-one phoned me, it is a paper offer
I was replying to Susan. Not that you aren't entirely welcome to chip
in, of course, but it would be a bit of a stretch to expect my reply to
apply to you as well.
>>just ask for 'an escalation of your problem', which should get you
>>connected to someone who *will* know what you are looking for,
>>possibly even in the UK, where the real experts hang out, and not the
>>offshore script bunnies.
>Ummm, ok, I'm guessing that was a bit of a personal moan.
Yours, hers, or mine? :-)
<tcn...@tarrcity.demon.co.uk> writing at 17:27:50 in his/her local time
opines:-
>Sat, 21 Mar 2015 13:47:27 <6g$r$eMvZXDVFwiv@x.x>
>Roy Brown <Roy_now_fre...@acanthus.demon.co.uk> wrote...
>
>>In message <cfbc5bed-1a00-4b73...@googlegroups.com>,
>>su...@babyplum.demon.co.uk writing at 10:29:01 in his/her local time
>>opines:-
>
>>>I have recently left Demon as my ISP and (possibly mistekenly)gone to
>>>BT. I've asked and received the Demon Dial Loyalty to keep my email
>>>address. To receive my emails via Turnpike, I use serv7753 which I'm
>>>very thankful for. But I can't send any emails with Turnpike any more
>>>and have to use the Outlook web app.
>>>
>>>The message I get is ' is Talking to smtp.demon.co.uk on Sat, 7 Mar
>>>2015 15:30:18 +0000
>>> >>> DATA
>>> <<< 554 5.7.1 <*****@hotmail.com>: Recipient address rejected:
>>>Access denied'
>>>
>>>I've looked at this thread, but am not confident about changing my
>>>Turnpike settings. I think the answer should be simple so please
>>>could someone help me with telling me what to change in Turnpike?
>>>Sorry if it's already been said.
>>
>>Demon Loyalty only gives you access to your incoming Demon-addressed
>>mail, and does not let you send over Demon.
>
>You can send through any number of well know popular providers.
Sure you can. I use Gradwell for outgoing SMTP, so I can send from
>Sat, 21 Mar 2015 13:47:27 <6g$r$eMvZXDVFwiv@x.x>
>Roy Brown <Roy_now_fre...@acanthus.demon.co.uk> wrote...
>
>>In message <cfbc5bed-1a00-4b73...@googlegroups.com>,
>>su...@babyplum.demon.co.uk writing at 10:29:01 in his/her local time
>>opines:-
>
>>>I have recently left Demon as my ISP and (possibly mistekenly)gone to
>>>BT. I've asked and received the Demon Dial Loyalty to keep my email
>>>address. To receive my emails via Turnpike, I use serv7753 which I'm
>>>very thankful for. But I can't send any emails with Turnpike any more
>>>and have to use the Outlook web app.
>>>
>>>The message I get is ' is Talking to smtp.demon.co.uk on Sat, 7 Mar
>>>2015 15:30:18 +0000
>>> >>> DATA
>>> <<< 554 5.7.1 <*****@hotmail.com>: Recipient address rejected:
>>>Access denied'
>>>
>>>I've looked at this thread, but am not confident about changing my
>>>Turnpike settings. I think the answer should be simple so please
>>>could someone help me with telling me what to change in Turnpike?
>>>Sorry if it's already been said.
>>
>>Demon Loyalty only gives you access to your incoming Demon-addressed
>>mail, and does not let you send over Demon.
>
>You can send through any number of well know popular providers.
anywhere as I move around, irregardless of ISP.
But I was answering Susan's question about using BT.
>>BT will have given you a BT Username and Password to use their
>>outgoing SMTP mail server, and this should be in the bumf you got from
>>BT, so go and plough through it, looking for these details.
>
>Or just use another outbound provider like gmail or yahoo or hotmail
>(or whatever it is they each call themselves these days).
>>If you use this service as is though, then you will have a BT mail
>>address, and you will have to take care to set up POP3 collection from
>>BT, or you will never see your replies.
>Not sure I understand that bit. Hasn't our correspondent already
>re-arranged their addresses?
Until she can, the rearrangement is not complete..
>>However, BT will allow you to continue using your Demon email address,
>>but you will have to contact them with the details they gave you and
>>ask for specific permission to do this, or they will reject your
>>outgoing mail when it hits their server as not being from a BT mail address.
>Why use BT for outgoing mail? Am I being thick?
other things being equal? (Which in my case, they are not, but then I am
a perennial globetrotter).
>>But as long as you tell them what you want to do, and let them set
>>your Demon address up as a permitted one for you, this should be fine.
>Ugh! Really?
>>Your replies will then all go to Demon, from where you will be able to
>>pick them up as you did before, by dint of your Loyalty subscription.
>This is sounding strange to me.
you think the reply will go?
>>Please note though, that if you use more than one outgoing name, BT
>>will need to know each one that you want to use outgoing, of the form
>>username.subdomain.demon.co.uk (e.g. su...@babyplum.demon.co.uk,
>>su...@babyplum.demon.co.uk, or whatever) so you don't have quite the
>>freedom that Demon gave you to just invent a new username and start
>>using it without telling anyone. It is (or should be) a small overhead
>>to inform BT of extra names, though.
>I'm not getting this. BT have recently offered me low cost Internet
>access. I don't see how they could interfere in my existing
>arrangements with my (not demon, not bt) domain provider who provides
>me with names, forwarding, etc.
You use BT's outgoing SMTP, as a BT account set up with all the defaults
will, they make the rules about what they will and won't accept through
it.
>>And next time you get a BT droid who does not know about things that
>>he is paid to know about (assuming you were connected to the correct
>>team)
>no-one phoned me, it is a paper offer
in, of course, but it would be a bit of a stretch to expect my reply to
apply to you as well.
>>just ask for 'an escalation of your problem', which should get you
>>connected to someone who *will* know what you are looking for,
>>possibly even in the UK, where the real experts hang out, and not the
>>offshore script bunnies.
>Ummm, ok, I'm guessing that was a bit of a personal moan.
J. P. Gilliver (John)
Mar 28, 2015, 9:57:24 AM3/28/15
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In article <ACE+xgDSz9EVFw+r@x.x>, on Thu, 26 Mar 2015, Roy Brown
<Roy_now_fre...@acanthus.demon.co.uk> wrote
one containing @yahoo, @gmail, or @hotmail, though? (Genuine question.)
[]
tell BT's outgoing server to allow outgoing posts with the wanadoo
address on. (Obviously, he's stopped _sending_ with those details now -
though last time I asked him the wanadoo server was still letting him
_pick up_ any mail, and it's been over a year!)
BT Low User line.
>>arrangements with my (not demon, not bt) domain provider who provides
>>me with names, forwarding, etc.
>
>And outgoing SMTP?
>
>You use BT's outgoing SMTP, as a BT account set up with all the
>defaults will, they make the rules about what they will and won't
>accept through it.
>
>>>And next time you get a BT droid who does not know about things that
>>>he is paid to know about (assuming you were connected to the correct
>>>
>
[]
Stephen Mangan, in Radio Times 5-11 May 2012
<Roy_now_fre...@acanthus.demon.co.uk> wrote
>In message <vklMJ5BW...@tarrcity.demon.co.uk>, Wm...
><tcn...@tarrcity.demon.co.uk> writing at 17:27:50 in his/her local time
>opines:-
>>Sat, 21 Mar 2015 13:47:27 <6g$r$eMvZXDVFwiv@x.x>
>>Roy Brown <Roy_now_fre...@acanthus.demon.co.uk> wrote...
>>
>>>In message <cfbc5bed-1a00-4b73...@googlegroups.com>,
>>>su...@babyplum.demon.co.uk writing at 10:29:01 in his/her local time
>>>opines:-
>>
>>>>I have recently left Demon as my ISP and (possibly mistekenly)gone
>>>>to BT. I've asked and received the Demon Dial Loyalty to keep my
>>>>email address. To receive my emails via Turnpike, I use serv7753
>>>>which I'm very thankful for. But I can't send any emails with
>>>>Turnpike any more and have to use the Outlook web app.
>>>>
>>>>The message I get is ' is Talking to smtp.demon.co.uk on Sat, 7 Mar
>>>>2015 15:30:18 +0000
>>>> >>> DATA
>>>> <<< 554 5.7.1 <*****@hotmail.com>: Recipient address rejected:
>>>>Access denied'
>>>>
>>>>I've looked at this thread, but am not confident about changing my
>>>>Turnpike settings. I think the answer should be simple so please
>>>>could someone help me with telling me what to change in Turnpike?
>>>>Sorry if it's already been said.
>>>
>>>Demon Loyalty only gives you access to your incoming Demon-addressed
>>>mail, and does not let you send over Demon.
[]
><tcn...@tarrcity.demon.co.uk> writing at 17:27:50 in his/her local time
>opines:-
>>Sat, 21 Mar 2015 13:47:27 <6g$r$eMvZXDVFwiv@x.x>
>>Roy Brown <Roy_now_fre...@acanthus.demon.co.uk> wrote...
>>
>>>In message <cfbc5bed-1a00-4b73...@googlegroups.com>,
>>>su...@babyplum.demon.co.uk writing at 10:29:01 in his/her local time
>>>opines:-
>>
>>>>I have recently left Demon as my ISP and (possibly mistekenly)gone
>>>>to BT. I've asked and received the Demon Dial Loyalty to keep my
>>>>email address. To receive my emails via Turnpike, I use serv7753
>>>>which I'm very thankful for. But I can't send any emails with
>>>>Turnpike any more and have to use the Outlook web app.
>>>>
>>>>The message I get is ' is Talking to smtp.demon.co.uk on Sat, 7 Mar
>>>>2015 15:30:18 +0000
>>>> >>> DATA
>>>> <<< 554 5.7.1 <*****@hotmail.com>: Recipient address rejected:
>>>>Access denied'
>>>>
>>>>I've looked at this thread, but am not confident about changing my
>>>>Turnpike settings. I think the answer should be simple so please
>>>>could someone help me with telling me what to change in Turnpike?
>>>>Sorry if it's already been said.
>>>
>>>Demon Loyalty only gives you access to your incoming Demon-addressed
>>>mail, and does not let you send over Demon.
>>>BT will have given you a BT Username and Password to use their
>>>outgoing SMTP mail server, and this should be in the bumf you got
>>>from BT, so go and plough through it, looking for these details.
>>
>>Or just use another outbound provider like gmail or yahoo or hotmail
>>(or whatever it is they each call themselves these days).
>
>Exactly.
Do those three let you send with a From: or Reply-to: header other than
>>>outgoing SMTP mail server, and this should be in the bumf you got
>>>from BT, so go and plough through it, looking for these details.
>>
>>Or just use another outbound provider like gmail or yahoo or hotmail
>>(or whatever it is they each call themselves these days).
>
>Exactly.
one containing @yahoo, @gmail, or @hotmail, though? (Genuine question.)
[]
>>>However, BT will allow you to continue using your Demon email
>>>address, but you will have to contact them with the details they gave
>>>you and ask for specific permission to do this, or they will reject
>>>your outgoing mail when it hits their server as not being from a BT
>>>mail address.
>
>>Why use BT for outgoing mail? Am I being thick?
>
>Because it is her ISP. Isn't that the default and desirable choice,
>other things being equal? (Which in my case, they are not, but then I
>am a perennial globetrotter).
>
>>>But as long as you tell them what you want to do, and let them set
>>>your Demon address up as a permitted one for you, this should be fine.
>
>>Ugh! Really?
>
>Trust your Uncle Roy on this :-(
Seconded. I know someone who changed from wanadoo to BT and was able to
>>>address, but you will have to contact them with the details they gave
>>>you and ask for specific permission to do this, or they will reject
>>>your outgoing mail when it hits their server as not being from a BT
>>>mail address.
>
>>Why use BT for outgoing mail? Am I being thick?
>
>Because it is her ISP. Isn't that the default and desirable choice,
>other things being equal? (Which in my case, they are not, but then I
>am a perennial globetrotter).
>
>>>But as long as you tell them what you want to do, and let them set
>>>your Demon address up as a permitted one for you, this should be fine.
>
>>Ugh! Really?
>
>Trust your Uncle Roy on this :-(
tell BT's outgoing server to allow outgoing posts with the wanadoo
address on. (Obviously, he's stopped _sending_ with those details now -
though last time I asked him the wanadoo server was still letting him
_pick up_ any mail, and it's been over a year!)
>
>>>Your replies will then all go to Demon, from where you will be able
>>>to pick them up as you did before, by dint of your Loyalty subscription.
>
>>This is sounding strange to me.
>
>Post with a permitted Demon address through BT, people reply, where do
>you think the reply will go?
Exactly.
>>>Your replies will then all go to Demon, from where you will be able
>>>to pick them up as you did before, by dint of your Loyalty subscription.
>
>>This is sounding strange to me.
>
>Post with a permitted Demon address through BT, people reply, where do
>you think the reply will go?
>
>>>Please note though, that if you use more than one outgoing name, BT
>>>will need to know each one that you want to use outgoing, of the form
>>>username.subdomain.demon.co.uk (e.g. su...@babyplum.demon.co.uk,
>>>su...@babyplum.demon.co.uk, or whatever) so you don't have quite the
>>>freedom that Demon gave you to just invent a new username and start
>>>using it without telling anyone. It is (or should be) a small
>>>overhead to inform BT of extra names, though.
>
>>I'm not getting this. BT have recently offered me low cost Internet
>>access. I don't see how they could interfere in my existing
Yes, I've seen one of those: it looks very good value for those with a
>>>Please note though, that if you use more than one outgoing name, BT
>>>will need to know each one that you want to use outgoing, of the form
>>>username.subdomain.demon.co.uk (e.g. su...@babyplum.demon.co.uk,
>>>su...@babyplum.demon.co.uk, or whatever) so you don't have quite the
>>>freedom that Demon gave you to just invent a new username and start
>>>using it without telling anyone. It is (or should be) a small
>>>overhead to inform BT of extra names, though.
>
>>I'm not getting this. BT have recently offered me low cost Internet
>>access. I don't see how they could interfere in my existing
BT Low User line.
>>arrangements with my (not demon, not bt) domain provider who provides
>>me with names, forwarding, etc.
>
>And outgoing SMTP?
>
>You use BT's outgoing SMTP, as a BT account set up with all the
>defaults will, they make the rules about what they will and won't
>accept through it.
>
>>>And next time you get a BT droid who does not know about things that
>>>he is paid to know about (assuming you were connected to the correct
>>>
>
>>no-one phoned me, it is a paper offer
(The one I've seen was too. Posted to the address.)
[]
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
"Eastenders" is like being punched repeatedly in the face for half an hour. -
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
Stephen Mangan, in Radio Times 5-11 May 2012
John Hall
Mar 28, 2015, 3:11:47 PM3/28/15
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In message <aiWtoHXh...@soft255.demon.co.uk>, "J. P. Gilliver
(John)" <ju...@soft255.demon.co.uk> writes
perverse of them to strip out a Reply-To header that you had added.
After all, people sometimes post from their work account but want the
reply to go to their home account or vice versa.
Regarding gmail and the From header, I've just been discussing that very
issue in a thread on demon.service. The relevant posts should still be
there if you look. I don't have a definitive answer as yet, since I
haven't tried posting via gmail's SMTP server, but it looks as though
your chosen From header would probably be preserved,
<snip>
(John)" <ju...@soft255.demon.co.uk> writes
>In article <ACE+xgDSz9EVFw+r@x.x>, on Thu, 26 Mar 2015, Roy Brown
><Roy_now_fre...@acanthus.demon.co.uk> wrote
>>In message <vklMJ5BW...@tarrcity.demon.co.uk>, Wm...
>><tcn...@tarrcity.demon.co.uk> writing at 17:27:50 in his/her local
>>time opines:-
>>>
><Roy_now_fre...@acanthus.demon.co.uk> wrote
>>In message <vklMJ5BW...@tarrcity.demon.co.uk>, Wm...
>><tcn...@tarrcity.demon.co.uk> writing at 17:27:50 in his/her local
>>time opines:-
>>>
>>>Or just use another outbound provider like gmail or yahoo or hotmail
>>>(or whatever it is they each call themselves these days).
>>
>>Exactly.
>
>Do those three let you send with a From: or Reply-to: header other than
>one containing @yahoo, @gmail, or @hotmail, though? (Genuine question.)
I can't see that there would be a problem with Reply-To. It would be
>>>(or whatever it is they each call themselves these days).
>>
>>Exactly.
>
>Do those three let you send with a From: or Reply-to: header other than
>one containing @yahoo, @gmail, or @hotmail, though? (Genuine question.)
perverse of them to strip out a Reply-To header that you had added.
After all, people sometimes post from their work account but want the
reply to go to their home account or vice versa.
Regarding gmail and the From header, I've just been discussing that very
issue in a thread on demon.service. The relevant posts should still be
there if you look. I don't have a definitive answer as yet, since I
haven't tried posting via gmail's SMTP server, but it looks as though
your chosen From header would probably be preserved,
<snip>
Chris French
Mar 28, 2015, 7:40:38 PM3/28/15
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In message <aiWtoHXh...@soft255.demon.co.uk>, "J. P. Gilliver
(John)" <ju...@soft255.demon.co.uk> writes
(John)" <ju...@soft255.demon.co.uk> writes
whoever they were by then) to Sky a few years ago, she still uses her
old Freeserve address and collects from them with no problem
--
Chris French
CB
Mar 29, 2015, 12:21:03 PM3/29/15
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On 28/03/2015 23:35, Chris French wrote:
>
> My mum used to be with Freeserve, she moved from them (or rather,
> whoever they were by then) to Sky a few years ago, she still uses her
> old Freeserve address and collects from them with no problem
I believe that this is at the discretion of the original ISP, Demon do
>
> My mum used to be with Freeserve, she moved from them (or rather,
> whoever they were by then) to Sky a few years ago, she still uses her
> old Freeserve address and collects from them with no problem
not (currently) allow it unless you pay the fee for some form of
"loyalty" account, a feature which is I suspect retaining many Demon
customers (like me) who would otherwise have long since moved elsewhere.
http://www.choose.net/media/guide/faqs/email-address-switch-broadband.html
--
CB
Wm...
Apr 3, 2015, 6:03:42 PM4/3/15
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Sat, 28 Mar 2015 23:35:32 <Q7g+w4ME...@familyfrench.co.uk>
Chris French <new...@familyfrench.co.uk> wrote...
>My mum used to be with Freeserve, she moved from them (or rather,
>whoever they were by then) to Sky a few years ago, she still uses her
>old Freeserve address and collects from them with no problem
Orange and whoever bought the customers after that.
--
Wm...
Chris French <new...@familyfrench.co.uk> wrote...
>My mum used to be with Freeserve, she moved from them (or rather,
>whoever they were by then) to Sky a few years ago, she still uses her
>old Freeserve address and collects from them with no problem
--
Wm...
Wm...
Apr 3, 2015, 6:03:42 PM4/3/15
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Sun, 29 Mar 2015 17:21:08 <mf98nq$e5p$1...@dont-email.me>
CB <ne...@salis.co.uk> wrote...
>On 28/03/2015 23:35, Chris French wrote:
>
>>
>> My mum used to be with Freeserve, she moved from them (or rather,
>> whoever they were by then) to Sky a few years ago, she still uses her
>> old Freeserve address and collects from them with no problem
>
>
>I believe that this is at the discretion of the original ISP, Demon do
>not (currently) allow it unless you pay the fee for some form of
>"loyalty" account, a feature which is I suspect retaining many Demon
>customers (like me) who would otherwise have long since moved elsewhere.
I don't understand this. I have multiple accounts. I choose to expose
various addresses as and when.
Isn't it my and other people's choice which addresses they use?
I mean, I'm not *only* 2 Green Street, Place, Devon and neither are you.
You are also a persona here.
>http://www.choose.net/media/guide/faqs/email-address-switch-broadband.html
Run, bunny run
Most adults don't
--
Wm...
CB <ne...@salis.co.uk> wrote...
>On 28/03/2015 23:35, Chris French wrote:
>
>>
>> My mum used to be with Freeserve, she moved from them (or rather,
>> whoever they were by then) to Sky a few years ago, she still uses her
>> old Freeserve address and collects from them with no problem
>
>
>I believe that this is at the discretion of the original ISP, Demon do
>not (currently) allow it unless you pay the fee for some form of
>"loyalty" account, a feature which is I suspect retaining many Demon
>customers (like me) who would otherwise have long since moved elsewhere.
various addresses as and when.
Isn't it my and other people's choice which addresses they use?
I mean, I'm not *only* 2 Green Street, Place, Devon and neither are you.
You are also a persona here.
>http://www.choose.net/media/guide/faqs/email-address-switch-broadband.html
Run, bunny run
Most adults don't
--
Wm...
su...@babyplum.demon.co.uk
Apr 4, 2015, 1:40:40 PM4/4/15
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CB
Apr 5, 2015, 4:04:36 AM4/5/15
to
On 03/04/2015 23:03, Wm... wrote:
>> I believe that this is at the discretion of the original ISP, Demon
>> do not (currently) allow it unless you pay the fee for some form of
>> "loyalty" account, a feature which is I suspect retaining many Demon
>> customers (like me) who would otherwise have long since moved elsewhere.
>
> I don't understand this. I have multiple accounts. I choose to expose
> various addresses as and when.
Yes I too have multiple e-mail accounts. However I have been with Demon
>> I believe that this is at the discretion of the original ISP, Demon
>> do not (currently) allow it unless you pay the fee for some form of
>> "loyalty" account, a feature which is I suspect retaining many Demon
>> customers (like me) who would otherwise have long since moved elsewhere.
>
> I don't understand this. I have multiple accounts. I choose to expose
> various addresses as and when.
since long before the start of webmail services, before the ability to
purchase domain names was easy and common among the masses and have
taken advantage of the "infinite_names"@hostname.demon.co.uk offered
from day one by Demon.
Therefore extricating myself from all of the old demon addresses is not
quite as easy as changing a single telephone number. The job is in hand
but not complete. Had I been able to take my Demon e-mail address with
me (as BT assure me that I can every time they call, and that those
fortunate enough to have an ???@fsnet can) I would have long since left.
>
> Isn't it my and other people's choice which addresses they use?
>
CB
Roy Brown
Apr 6, 2015, 12:58:36 PM4/6/15
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In message <58b36619-40f7-4700...@googlegroups.com>,
su...@babyplum.demon.co.uk writing at 10:40:39 in his/her local time
opines:-
But all is not *quite* well, yet, since whatever software you are using
here does not seem savvy enough to correctly handle sig delimiters.
Hopefully, we will see you back on Turnpike soon; or failing that, at
least something that is RFC-compliant!
su...@babyplum.demon.co.uk writing at 10:40:39 in his/her local time
opines:-
>On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 1:48:50 PM UTC, Roy Brown wrote:
<stuff now snipped down to>>
>> Roy
>> --
>> Roy Brown 'Have nothing in your houses that you do not know to be
>> Kelmscott Ltd useful, or believe to be beautiful' William Morris
>Thank you very much - I've been away so my reply is late. I am now
>still using Demon Loyalty and getting email on Turnpike as before. I
>set up a new BT email account, which I'm not planning to use, and my
>outgoing email goes via the BT server (mail.btinternet.com) So all is
>well and thanks again to everyone here.
Glad you've been able to fix what you wanted to fix, Susan
>> --
>> Roy Brown 'Have nothing in your houses that you do not know to be
>> Kelmscott Ltd useful, or believe to be beautiful' William Morris
>Thank you very much - I've been away so my reply is late. I am now
>still using Demon Loyalty and getting email on Turnpike as before. I
>set up a new BT email account, which I'm not planning to use, and my
>outgoing email goes via the BT server (mail.btinternet.com) So all is
>well and thanks again to everyone here.
But all is not *quite* well, yet, since whatever software you are using
here does not seem savvy enough to correctly handle sig delimiters.
Hopefully, we will see you back on Turnpike soon; or failing that, at
least something that is RFC-compliant!
Roy Brown
Apr 6, 2015, 1:08:37 PM4/6/15
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In message <c8r$yCDl4w...@tarrcity.demon.co.uk>, Wm...
<tcn...@tarrcity.demon.co.uk> writing at 23:03:17 in his/her local time
opines:-
<snip>
>>I believe that this is at the discretion of the original ISP, Demon
>>do not (currently) allow it unless you pay the fee for some form of
>>"loyalty" account, a feature which is I suspect retaining many Demon
>>customers (like me) who would otherwise have long since moved elsewhere.
>I don't understand this. I have multiple accounts. I choose to expose
>various addresses as and when.
>Isn't it my and other people's choice which addresses they use?
>I mean, I'm not *only* 2 Green Street, Place, Devon and neither are you.
If you use an address as a return address, this is where the mail will
go.
So if you give the address you used to live at, you will need to pop
round there for your mail, and the proprietor may want a fee for his
trouble in holding it for you and releasing it to you on request.
As Demon do, if you want to go on using a Demon address after you have
left Demon.
Of course, you are free to give any arbitrary return address you like
(well, actually, you aren't, as it is bad Netiquette on all fronts to
use an address you don't have the right to use); but you are not free to
expect it to *work* and return mail to you.
<snip gibberish>
<tcn...@tarrcity.demon.co.uk> writing at 23:03:17 in his/her local time
opines:-
<snip>
>>I believe that this is at the discretion of the original ISP, Demon
>>do not (currently) allow it unless you pay the fee for some form of
>>"loyalty" account, a feature which is I suspect retaining many Demon
>>customers (like me) who would otherwise have long since moved elsewhere.
>I don't understand this. I have multiple accounts. I choose to expose
>various addresses as and when.
>Isn't it my and other people's choice which addresses they use?
>I mean, I'm not *only* 2 Green Street, Place, Devon and neither are you.
go.
So if you give the address you used to live at, you will need to pop
round there for your mail, and the proprietor may want a fee for his
trouble in holding it for you and releasing it to you on request.
As Demon do, if you want to go on using a Demon address after you have
left Demon.
Of course, you are free to give any arbitrary return address you like
(well, actually, you aren't, as it is bad Netiquette on all fronts to
use an address you don't have the right to use); but you are not free to
expect it to *work* and return mail to you.
<snip gibberish>
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