non kde font sizes

[bad sector]

Is KDE ever going to facilitate non-kde (i.e. mstly gnomelike) apps to
display readable font sizes out-of-the-box? I mean I have a 1920x1200
monitor which is no screaming hell these days, I'm looking at usenet
articles on the WORLD's most popular usenet reader (T-Bird) and the menu
fonts are like 3 mm in HEIGHT, hairline thin and just about unreadable
on a sunny day. Not only that, but I remember reading complaints almost
verbatim like this more than 10 years ago and still fuckall has changed!

[J.O. Aho]

Tried with Settings:Application Style/Gnome Application Style ?
Also thunderbird is affected of custom css in the chrome directory in
the profile directory.

I have never had your issue, been using thunderbird for quite many years
in KDE environment, maybe it's just your distribution which does some
stupid things?

[bad sector]

I've seen this mostly on Suse which I've usd 98% of the time.

I would expect to see some button "force non-kde apps to comply" or
something similar.

KDE System Settings
> Common Appearance and behavior
> Application Appearance
> Style = no such
> Fonts = no such

[bad sector]

a sample {Sylpheed in this case}:https://tinyurl.com/ycn5nnju

my study has shades but is a very well lit
sunny place, so this kind of interface doesn't
make any points, nor does crap like the GuitarRig5
with black-and-verydarkgrey as its flag and
almost only colors.

[J.O. Aho]

On 11/01/17 11:04, bad sector wrote:
> On 11/01/2017 01:59 AM, J.O. Aho wrote:
>> On 10/31/17 22:53, bad sector wrote:
>>>
>>> Is KDE ever going to facilitate non-kde (i.e. mstly gnomelike) apps to
>>> display readable font sizes out-of-the-box?  I mean I have a 1920x1200
>>> monitor which is no screaming hell these days, I'm looking at usenet
>>> articles on the WORLD's most popular usenet reader (T-Bird) and the menu
>>> fonts are like 3 mm in HEIGHT, hairline thin and just about unreadable
>>> on a sunny day.  Not only that, but I remember reading complaints almost
>>> verbatim like this more than 10 years ago and still fuckall has changed!
>>>
>>
>> Tried with Settings:Application Style/Gnome Application Style ?
>> Also thunderbird is affected of custom css in the chrome directory in
>> the profile directory.
>>
>> I have never had your issue, been using thunderbird for quite many years
>> in KDE environment, maybe it's just your distribution which does some
>> stupid things?
>
>
> I've seen this mostly on Suse which I've usd 98% of the time.

I been using SuSe for the last year at work and using thunderbird as my
mail client, still not had your issue.

At work I haven't even bothered to configure Gnome applications.

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//Aho

[bad sector]

What kind of screen resolution?

[J.O. Aho]

2 * 1920 x 1200 powered by a nVidia 750 using nouveau driver.

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//Aho

[bad sector]

1920x1200 & Nvidia 640

in KDE I set font size 10 for everything (12 for title bars).
This works out ok excecpt for the cited non-kde apps.

For nedit I have to append to /etc/X11/Xresources

nedit*fontList: -adobe-helvetica-bold-r-normal--22-*-*-*-*-*-*

but for the menu font that has no effect and I'm not sure
if it has any effect at all with Splashma5

[J.O. Aho]

At home I have some weird things configured, and most likely no effect
any more, ~/.Xdefaults :

Netscape*documentFonts.sizeIncrement: 20
Netscape*documentFonts.xResolution*iso-8859-1: 100
Netscape*documentFonts.yResolution*iso-8859-1: 100

Yes, I did use Netscape once in the time, not sure if it's from my
university time when I used Netscape 1.2 on SunOS or if this from the
time I ran Netscape 4 on RedHat 7. Keep in mind I do not have this at work.

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//Aho

[bad sector]

I don't have this file at all, created one like it but it seems to have
no effect. I don't think there's anything called Netscape in there anymore.

T-Bird isn't the worst offender actually, Nedit and Syplpheed are.

> Yes, I did use Netscape once in the time

So did I! It WAS the best thing going by far.

[J.O. Aho]

On 11/09/17 01:43, bad sector wrote:
> On 11/08/2017 01:08 AM, J.O. Aho wrote:
>> On 11/08/17 03:50, bad sector wrote:
>
>>> 1920x1200 & Nvidia 640
>>>
>>> in KDE I set font size 10 for everything (12 for title bars).
>>> This works out ok excecpt for the cited non-kde apps.
>>>
>>> For nedit I have to append to /etc/X11/Xresources
>>>
>>> nedit*fontList: -adobe-helvetica-bold-r-normal--22-*-*-*-*-*-*
>>>
>>> but for the menu font that has no effect and I'm not sure
>>> if it has any effect at all with Splashma5
>>
>> At home I have some weird things configured, and most likely no effect
>> any more, ~/.Xdefaults :
>>
>> Netscape*documentFonts.sizeIncrement: 20
>> Netscape*documentFonts.xResolution*iso-8859-1: 100
>> Netscape*documentFonts.yResolution*iso-8859-1: 100
>
> I don't have this file at all, created one like it but it seems to have
> no effect.  I don't think there's anything called Netscape in there
> anymore.

A long shot could be to just ignore the "Netscape" part, but I really
doubt that would give any change.

> T-Bird isn't the worst offender actually, Nedit and Syplpheed are.

That is two applications I don't use, I did see something about that
they changed canvas painter in mozilla products, switching from away
from cairo to skia, this could in some cases give bad fonts, but
shouldn't affect other applications.

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1167092

>> Yes, I did use Netscape once in the time
>
> So did I!  It WAS the best thing going by far.

I liked 1.2 I think, mainly the newsgroups reader built in, later
version the messed it up and then that damn frames tag came and internet
started to become a lot crappier :P


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//Aho

[bad sector]

Usenet itself is falling to pieces due to googlegroups and the
profitability of other web hosted forums. I started off on Compuserve
before there was internet (I think) but when I initially came to usenet
you could attach small media files without going to binary groups. That
went on for many years, there was no abuse, at least not for a good
while. Netscape could handle browsing, email, usenet, composition all in
one app. I still use the Navigator icon, edited for Tor even :-)


https://tinyurl.com/ycn5nnju [top right]

...AND I'm still waiting for Splashma5 to give me panels of comparable
content & quality.

[J.O. Aho]

On 11/09/17 17:54, bad sector wrote:

> Usenet itself is falling to pieces due to googlegroups and the
> profitability of other web hosted forums.

Yes, sadly many of those forums and social media are just reinventing
the wheel, everything seems to just be a worse copy of usernet and irc.

> I started off on Compuserve
> before there was internet (I think) but when I initially came to usenet
> you could attach small media files without going to binary groups.

For me it was FidoNet before I went to higher educations where I got
hold of my first internet account and from home I connected up with
modem, so that I could access the internet with my Amiga. I tested a bit
with running applications remotely with X11, it worked until someone
picked up the phone to call someone while I was online.

> That
> went on for many years, there was no abuse, at least not for a good
> while. Netscape could handle browsing, email, usenet, composition all in
> one app.

And you could search for a song title and the first a search engine
suggested was the au-file to download (later on mp3). :)

> I still use the Navigator icon, edited for Tor even  :-)
> https://tinyurl.com/ycn5nnju [top right]

The only things I still use from those days is my ctwm configuration,
the application menu part is the only part changed, the fonts are the
same and as horrible as it was in the last millennium.

> ...AND I'm still waiting for Splashma5 to give me panels of comparable
> content & quality.

I did switch to Gnome from ctwm, I got it to look great (with anti-alias
fonts and all), then came Gnome2 and I waited and waited that it would
get mature, but no and I knew my Gnome had some vulnerabilities which I
tried to fix as well as I could, in the end it was too much work to
maintain my own version of RedHat 7 that I had to switch to Gentoo and KDE.

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//Aho