Q: ``Panta Rhei'' in (old) greek letters?
Helwig Loeffelmann
Dear all,
I want to put Heraklit's axiom ``Panta Rhei!'' (all things are in
flux) as a quote within my thesis using original (old) greek letters.
Could someone, PLEASE, help me with doing that in LaTeX(2e)? PLEASE.
I tried ``$\Pi\alpha\nu\tau\tilde\alpha{} P\varepsilon\acute\iota$'',
but this doesn't look really good, since it's rather a compilation
of separate characters than words as used in normal text mode. More-
over I'm not sure about the accents, shouldn't there be a little `c'
above the capital Rho? Is the accent acute correct about the Iota?
Again: PLEASE help.
I thought: there must be a package featuring (old) greek language,
but babel doesn't and, unfortunately, I didn't find any other...
It would be really wonderful, if you could answer direct to my mail-
box (mailto:hel...@cg.tuwien.ac.at), since I'm reading this group
only rarely, THANK YOU.
Thanks a lot in advance,
Helwig.
--
Helwig Loeffelmann
Institute of Computer Graphics mailto:hel...@cg.tuwien.ac.at
Vienna University of Technology http://www.cg.tuwien.ac.at/~helwig/
David Kastrup
> I want to put Heraklit's axiom ``Panta Rhei!'' (all things are in
> flux) as a quote within my thesis using original (old) greek letters.
> Could someone, PLEASE, help me with doing that in LaTeX(2e)? PLEASE.
>
> I tried ``$\Pi\alpha\nu\tau\tilde\alpha{} P\varepsilon\acute\iota$'',
> but this doesn't look really good, since it's rather a compilation
> of separate characters than words as used in normal text mode. More-
> over I'm not sure about the accents, shouldn't there be a little `c'
> above the capital Rho? Is the accent acute correct about the Iota?
> Again: PLEASE help.
>
> I thought: there must be a package featuring (old) greek language,
> but babel doesn't and, unfortunately, I didn't find any other...
Babel does. Just get the additional Greek fonts package. It does not
well support old Greek's accents (though it will better with 3.7), but
for this single exception, you can help out a bit by hand:
You'll have to write
pant\char`\~a <re'i.
Note that I don't capitalize (which would be uncustomary). Of course,
Heraklit would not have used either lowercase characters nor accents,
but have rather written
PANTA REI.
> It would be really wonderful, if you could answer direct to my mail-
> box (mailto:hel...@cg.tuwien.ac.at), since I'm reading this group
> only rarely, THANK YOU.
If you want to use a non-standard style, you can use just the kdgreek
font set and my kdgreek.sty (sent on request) in which you would write
something like |pant~a <re'i|.
Actually, is it really pant~a? It is of course shameful to admit that
my grasp of Greek has declined that much as not to know better, but I
find an elongated and stressed alpha at the end of a neuter plural
somewhat disturbing.
In a similar vein, I am somewhat surprised that it should not be
<re~i, as most verbal forms carry their accent as much to the front as
possible (and ~ is considered to be placing the stress earlier on the
long vowel).
Perhaps I'll check with my books this evening.
--
David Kastrup Phone: +49-234-700-5570
Email: d...@neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de Fax: +49-234-709-4209
Institut für Neuroinformatik, Universitätsstr. 150, 44780 Bochum, Germany
Jedediah D. Parsons
>my grasp of Greek has declined that much as not to know better, but I
>find an elongated and stressed alpha at the end of a neuter plural
>somewhat disturbing.
>
>In a similar vein, I am somewhat surprised that it should not be
><re~i, as most verbal forms carry their accent as much to the front as
>possible (and ~ is considered to be placing the stress earlier on the
>long vowel).
Your instincts are correct. The correct spelling is is |p'anta <re~i|.
Regarding the circumflex accent (which can only occur over long vowels,
so not *pant~a), it differs from the acute in that with the former, the
pitch contrast is on the first mora, in the latter it is on the second.
A mora is simply an arbitrary unit of duration: one mora for short
vowels, two for long vowels or diphthongs. So in |<re~i|, the pitch
contrast would have occured on the epsilon part of the diphthong, not
the iota part.
It is of course impossible to reconstruct the pitch contonation of an
entire ancient Greek utterance, with the proper variation in pitch at
each accent (which could be anything from great to zero), and the proper
overall phrasal contour. We do have fragments of Greek music, however,
in which the melodies correspond to the pitch accents of the lyrics, and
the overall contour matches more or less the contour you would imagine
for the focal parts of the phrase. I have in fact put together a
musiXTeX handout to illustrate this, if anyone's interested...
Cheers,
Jed
--
Jed Parsons: ``Lingua balbus, hebes ingenio
Harpsichordist, Classicist, Homebrewer. Viris doctis sermonem facio.''
mailto:j...@socrates.berkeley.edu -- Archipoeta
http://www.OCF.Berkeley.EDU/~jparsons/
josed...@fem.unicamp.br
Em terça-feira, 14 de julho de 1998 04:00:00 UTC-3, Helwig Loeffelmann escreveu:
> ==
> Dear all,
>
> I want to put Heraklit's axiom ``Panta Rhei!'' (all things are in
> flux) as a quote within my thesis using original (old) greek letters.
> Could someone, PLEASE, help me with doing that in LaTeX(2e)? PLEASE.
>
> I tried ``$\Pi\alpha\nu\tau\tilde\alpha{} P\varepsilon\acute\iota$'',
> but this doesn't look really good, since it's rather a compilation
> of separate characters than words as used in normal text mode. More-
> over I'm not sure about the accents, shouldn't there be a little `c'
> above the capital Rho? Is the accent acute correct about the Iota?
> Again: PLEASE help.
>
> I thought: there must be a package featuring (old) greek language,
> but babel doesn't and, unfortunately, I didn't find any other...
>
>
> box (mailto:hel...@cg.tuwien.ac.at), since I'm reading this group
> only rarely, THANK YOU.
>
>
Mauro Orlandini
>> I tried ``$\Pi\alpha\nu\tau\tilde\alpha{} P\varepsilon\acute\iota$'',
>> but this doesn't look really good, since it's rather a compilation of
In the preamble
\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
\usepackage[utf8x]{inputenc}
\usepackage[greek,english]{babel}
Use your document language instead of english. Remember that is has to be
the SECOND in the list, the first being greek.
Then in the text
\textgreek{πάντα ῥεῖ}
Ciao, Mauro
Peter Flynn
> Il Mon, 23 Apr 2018 10:33:06 -0700, josedavila ha scritto:
>
>>> I tried ``$\Pi\alpha\nu\tau\tilde\alpha{} P\varepsilon\acute\iota$'',
>>> but this doesn't look really good, since it's rather a compilation of
>
> I would use babel and the \textgreek command,
But it wasn't clear to me why the OP was following up on a post from
1988 and providing entirely bogus information. Unless the OP is a bot,
perhaps.
///Peter
Athel Cornish-Bowden
\RequirePackage[british,polutonikogreek]{babel}%
\newcommand{\gk}[1]{\selectlanguage{polutonikogreek}#1\selectlanguage{british}}
It is very convenient for _short_ bits of Greek, but wouldn't do at all
for preparing whole documents in Greek. It can cope with all the
accents, breathings and iota subscriptum needed for classical Greek
(including putting a breathing and an accent on the same letter).
--
athel
eemrek...@gmail.com
> Dear all,
>
>
> I want to put Heraklit's axiom ``Panta Rhei!'' (all things are in
> flux) as a quote within my thesis using original (old) greek letters.
> Could someone, PLEASE, help me with doing that in LaTeX(2e)? PLEASE.
>
> but this doesn't look really good, since it's rather a compilation
> over I'm not sure about the accents, shouldn't there be a little `c'
> above the capital Rho? Is the accent acute correct about the Iota?
> Again: PLEASE help.
>
> I thought: there must be a package featuring (old) greek language,
> but babel doesn't and, unfortunately, I didn't find any other...
>
>
> It would be really wonderful, if you could answer direct to my mail-
> box (mailto:hel...@cg.tuwien.ac.at), since I'm reading this group
> only rarely, THANK YOU.
>
>
> Thanks a lot in advance,
> Helwig.
> --
> Helwig Loeffelmann
> Institute of Computer Graphics mailto:hel...@cg.tuwien.ac.at
> Vienna University of Technology http://www.cg.tuwien.ac.at/~helwig/
eemrek...@gmail.com
> ==
> Dear all,
>
>
> I want to put Heraklit's axiom ``Panta Rhei!'' (all things are in
> flux) as a quote within my thesis using original (old) greek letters.
> Could someone, PLEASE, help me with doing that in LaTeX(2e)? PLEASE.
>
> I tried ``$\Pi\alpha\nu\tau\tilde\alpha{} P\varepsilon\acute\iota$'',
> but this doesn't look really good, since it's rather a compilation
> of separate characters than words as used in normal text mode. More-
> over I'm not sure about the accents, shouldn't there be a little `c'
> above the capital Rho? Is the accent acute correct about the Iota?
> Again: PLEASE help.
>
> I thought: there must be a package featuring (old) greek language,
> but babel doesn't and, unfortunately, I didn't find any other...
>
>
> It would be really wonderful, if you could answer direct to my mail-
> box (mailto:hel...@cg.tuwien.ac.at), since I'm reading this group
> only rarely, THANK YOU.
>
>
> Thanks a lot in advance,
> Helwig.
> --
> Helwig Loeffelmann
> Institute of Computer Graphics mailto:hel...@cg.tuwien.ac.at
> Vienna University of Technology http://www.cg.tuwien.ac.at/~helwig/