Apple Live Event "Stream"

[Steve de Mena]

Apple proves again they choke when it comes to delivering large
amounts of data. The live stream is stopping every minute or so and I
can hear a simultaneous Chinese or Japanese translation.

LOL

Steve

[Alan Baker]

Steve: it proves that the amount of supply is being exceeded by the demand...

...but do you know what the demand is?

[Alan Baker]

On 2014-09-09 17:19:33 +0000, Steve de Mena said:

Oh, and thanks for demonstrating so clearly that you are watching closely...

[Steve de Mena]

Are you defending Apple's inability to live stream an event?

I don't care what the demand is. I wanted to watch the live stream.

Did the demand cause me to hear a simultaneous Chinese or Japanese
language translation in the audio? LOL

And why does their live stream require Apple products??

"Apple�s live stream requires semi-recent Apple technology. As its
site explains, �Live streaming video requires Safari 5.1.10 or later
on OS X v10.6.8 or later; Safari on iOS 6.0 or later. Streaming via
Apple TV requires second- or third-generation Apple TV with software
6.2 or later."

Yep, these are the guys I'm going to trust with my credit card
information.

Steve

[Alan Baker]

On 2014-09-09 18:29:29 +0000, Steve de Mena said:

> On 9/9/14, 10:42 AM, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2014-09-09 17:19:33 +0000, Steve de Mena said:
>>
>>> Apple proves again they choke when it comes to delivering large
>>> amounts of data. The live stream is stopping every minute or so and
>>> I can hear a simultaneous Chinese or Japanese translation.
>>>
>>> LOL
>>>
>>> Steve
>>
>> Steve: it proves that the amount of supply is being exceeded by the
>> demand...
>>
>> ...but do you know what the demand is?
>>
>
> Are you defending Apple's inability to live stream an event?

I'm making a valid argument about your inability to consider all the facts.

>
> I don't care what the demand is. I wanted to watch the live stream.

Bully for you.

So (apparently) do a LOT of other people.

>
> Did the demand cause me to hear a simultaneous Chinese or Japanese
> language translation in the audio? LOL

It's gone away.

>
> And why does their live stream require Apple products??
>

> "Apple’s live stream requires semi-recent Apple technology. As its site
> explains, “Live streaming video requires Safari 5.1.10 or later on OS X

> v10.6.8 or later; Safari on iOS 6.0 or later. Streaming via Apple TV
> requires second- or third-generation Apple TV with software 6.2 or
> later."
>
> Yep, these are the guys I'm going to trust with my credit card information.

Because they limit their live stream?

LOLOLOLOOLOL

[Tomkins]

"Alan Baker" wrote in message news:lunh1g$nlc$1...@news.datemas.de...

On 2014-09-09 18:29:29 +0000, Steve de Mena said:

> On 9/9/14, 10:42 AM, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2014-09-09 17:19:33 +0000, Steve de Mena said:
>>
>>> Apple proves again they choke when it comes to delivering large
>>> amounts of data. The live stream is stopping every minute or so
>>> and
>>> I can hear a simultaneous Chinese or Japanese translation.
>>>
>>> LOL
>>>
>>> Steve
>>
>> Steve: it proves that the amount of supply is being exceeded by the
>> demand...
>>
>> ...but do you know what the demand is?
>>
>
> Are you defending Apple's inability to live stream an event?

>I'm making a valid argument about your inability to consider all the
>facts.

>
> I don't care what the demand is. I wanted to watch the live stream.

>Bully for you.

>So (apparently) do a LOT of other people.

>
> Did the demand cause me to hear a simultaneous Chinese or Japanese
> language translation in the audio? LOL

>It's gone away.

So you're now claiming it never happened?

>
> And why does their live stream require Apple products??
>
> "Apple’s live stream requires semi-recent Apple technology. As its
> site explains, “Live streaming video requires Safari 5.1.10 or later
> on OS X v10.6.8 or later; Safari on iOS 6.0 or later. Streaming via
> Apple TV requires second- or third-generation Apple TV with software
> 6.2 or later."
>
> Yep, these are the guys I'm going to trust with my credit card
> information.

>Because they limit their live stream?

Now why would they do that in the major Apple event of the year?

You are either stoopid, an Apple dicksucker, or trolling. Most likely
all.

>LOLOLOLOOLOL

The laughs on you, "Wace car driber".

[Alan Baker]

On 2014-09-09 20:19:05 +0000, Tomkins said:

> "Alan Baker" wrote in message news:lunh1g$nlc$1...@news.datemas.de...
>
> On 2014-09-09 18:29:29 +0000, Steve de Mena said:
>
>> On 9/9/14, 10:42 AM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>> On 2014-09-09 17:19:33 +0000, Steve de Mena said:
>>>
>>>> Apple proves again they choke when it comes to delivering large
>>>> amounts of data. The live stream is stopping every minute or so and
>>>> I can hear a simultaneous Chinese or Japanese translation.
>>>>
>>>> LOL
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>
>>> Steve: it proves that the amount of supply is being exceeded by the
>>> demand...
>>>
>>> ...but do you know what the demand is?
>>>
>>
>> Are you defending Apple's inability to live stream an event?
>
>> I'm making a valid argument about your inability to consider all the facts.
>
>>
>> I don't care what the demand is. I wanted to watch the live stream.
>
>> Bully for you.
>
>> So (apparently) do a LOT of other people.
>
>>
>> Did the demand cause me to hear a simultaneous Chinese or Japanese
>> language translation in the audio? LOL
>
>> It's gone away.
>
> So you're now claiming it never happened?

No. By my words, I'm implicitly acknowledging that it did.

>
>
>>
>> And why does their live stream require Apple products??
>>
>> "Apple’s live stream requires semi-recent Apple technology. As its site
>> explains, “Live streaming video requires Safari 5.1.10 or later on OS X
>> v10.6.8 or later; Safari on iOS 6.0 or later. Streaming via Apple TV
>> requires second- or third-generation Apple TV with software 6.2 or
>> later."
>>
>> Yep, these are the guys I'm going to trust with my credit card information.
>
>> Because they limit their live stream?
>
> Now why would they do that in the major Apple event of the year?

Don't know.

But why is the fact that they limited their live stream to Apple
devices even a factor in deciding to whom it might be safe to give your
credit card info?

>
> You are either stoopid, an Apple dicksucker, or trolling. Most likely all.
>
>> LOLOLOLOOLOL
>
> The laughs on you, "Wace car driber".

LOL

[Steve de Mena]

On 9/9/14, 1:33 PM, Alan Baker wrote:

>>>
>>> Yep, these are the guys I'm going to trust with my credit card
>>> information.
>>
>>> Because they limit their live stream?
>>
>> Now why would they do that in the major Apple event of the year?
>
> Don't know.
>
> But why is the fact that they limited their live stream to Apple
> devices even a factor in deciding to whom it might be safe to give
> your credit card info?

Because they could handle the credit card data in the same sloppy
manner as their livecast. If they couldn't turn off the Chinese or
Japanese simultaneous audio for 25 or more minutes how do I know that
they won't re-route the credit card info to the wrong destination,
forget to secure a database and before you know it 100+ million credit
cards are in Eastern Europe or Asia.

And look at iCloud and it's "two factor authentication" that one could
bypass by having it do a full sync to a machine.

And that Apple watch. Available "early next year". Let's face it, it's
not even complete. Battery life? "Tim Cook did say to expect the Watch
to last "all day,"" Apple's CEO "expects" the watch to last all day.
The CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER can only give us a guesstimate?

Steve

[Alan Baker]

On 2014-09-10 00:08:07 +0000, Steve de Mena said:

> On 9/9/14, 1:33 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>> Yep, these are the guys I'm going to trust with my credit card
>>>> information.
>>>
>>>> Because they limit their live stream?
>>>
>>> Now why would they do that in the major Apple event of the year?
>>
>> Don't know.
>>
>> But why is the fact that they limited their live stream to Apple
>> devices even a factor in deciding to whom it might be safe to give
>> your credit card info?
>
> Because they could handle the credit card data in the same sloppy
> manner as their livecast. If they couldn't turn off the Chinese or
> Japanese simultaneous audio for 25 or more minutes how do I know that
> they won't re-route the credit card info to the wrong destination,
> forget to secure a database and before you know it 100+ million credit
> cards are in Eastern Europe or Asia.

Oh... ....please.

They're doing credit card data...

...RIGHT NOW.

Heard a lot about them losing any, have you?

>
> And look at iCloud and it's "two factor authentication" that one could
> bypass by having it do a full sync to a machine.

Cite?

>
> And that Apple watch. Available "early next year". Let's face it, it's
> not even complete. Battery life? "Tim Cook did say to expect the Watch
> to last "all day,"" Apple's CEO "expects" the watch to last all day.
> The CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER can only give us a guesstimate?

And that has what to do with credit card data?

[Tomkins]

"Alan Baker" wrote in message news:luo57r$b0s$2...@news.datemas.de...

On 2014-09-10 00:08:07 +0000, Steve de Mena said:

> On 9/9/14, 1:33 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>> Yep, these are the guys I'm going to trust with my credit card
>>>> information.
>>>
>>>> Because they limit their live stream?
>>>
>>> Now why would they do that in the major Apple event of the year?
>>
>> Don't know.
>>
>> But why is the fact that they limited their live stream to Apple
>> devices even a factor in deciding to whom it might be safe to give
>> your credit card info?
>
> Because they could handle the credit card data in the same sloppy
> manner as their livecast. If they couldn't turn off the Chinese or
> Japanese simultaneous audio for 25 or more minutes how do I know
> that they won't re-route the credit card info to the wrong
> destination, forget to secure a database and before you know it 100+
> million credit cards are in Eastern Europe or Asia.

>Oh... ....please.

>They're doing credit card data...

>...RIGHT NOW.

>Heard a lot about them losing any, have you?

So now you're guaranteeing the future?

>
> And look at iCloud and it's "two factor authentication" that one
> could bypass by having it do a full sync to a machine.

>Cite?

Google?

> And that Apple watch. Available "early next year". Let's face it,
> it's not even complete. Battery life? "Tim Cook did say to expect
> the Watch to last "all day,"" Apple's CEO "expects" the watch to
> last all day. The CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER can only give us a
> guesstimate?

>And that has what to do with credit card data?

Strawman...........one without a chin.

[Alan Baker]

On 2014-09-10 00:27:22 +0000, Tomkins said:

> "Alan Baker" wrote in message news:luo57r$b0s$2...@news.datemas.de...
>
> On 2014-09-10 00:08:07 +0000, Steve de Mena said:
>
>> On 9/9/14, 1:33 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yep, these are the guys I'm going to trust with my credit card
>>>>> information.
>>>>
>>>>> Because they limit their live stream?
>>>>
>>>> Now why would they do that in the major Apple event of the year?
>>>
>>> Don't know.
>>>
>>> But why is the fact that they limited their live stream to Apple
>>> devices even a factor in deciding to whom it might be safe to give
>>> your credit card info?
>>
>> Because they could handle the credit card data in the same sloppy
>> manner as their livecast. If they couldn't turn off the Chinese or
>> Japanese simultaneous audio for 25 or more minutes how do I know that
>> they won't re-route the credit card info to the wrong destination,
>> forget to secure a database and before you know it 100+ million credit
>> cards are in Eastern Europe or Asia.
>
>> Oh... ....please.
>
>> They're doing credit card data...
>
>> ...RIGHT NOW.
>
>> Heard a lot about them losing any, have you?
>
> So now you're guaranteeing the future?

No. I'm asking a question.

>
>
>>
>> And look at iCloud and it's "two factor authentication" that one could
>> bypass by having it do a full sync to a machine.
>
>> Cite?
>
> Google?

So you can't support his claim either...

>
>
>> And that Apple watch. Available "early next year". Let's face it, it's
>> not even complete. Battery life? "Tim Cook did say to expect the Watch
>> to last "all day,"" Apple's CEO "expects" the watch to last all day.
>> The CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER can only give us a guesstimate?
>
>> And that has what to do with credit card data?
>
> Strawman...........one without a chin.

LOL

[Tomkins]

"Alan Baker" wrote in message news:luo62u$c2q$1...@news.datemas.de...

On 2014-09-10 00:27:22 +0000, Tomkins said:

> "Alan Baker" wrote in message news:luo57r$b0s$2...@news.datemas.de...
>
> On 2014-09-10 00:08:07 +0000, Steve de Mena said:
>
>> On 9/9/14, 1:33 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yep, these are the guys I'm going to trust with my credit card
>>>>> information.
>>>>
>>>>> Because they limit their live stream?
>>>>
>>>> Now why would they do that in the major Apple event of the year?
>>>
>>> Don't know.
>>>
>>> But why is the fact that they limited their live stream to Apple
>>> devices even a factor in deciding to whom it might be safe to give
>>> your credit card info?
>>
>> Because they could handle the credit card data in the same sloppy
>> manner as their livecast. If they couldn't turn off the Chinese or
>> Japanese simultaneous audio for 25 or more minutes how do I know
>> that they won't re-route the credit card info to the wrong
>> destination, forget to secure a database and before you know it
>> 100+ million credit cards are in Eastern Europe or Asia.
>
>> Oh... ....please.
>
>> They're doing credit card data...
>
>> ...RIGHT NOW.
>
>> Heard a lot about them losing any, have you?
>
> So now you're guaranteeing the future?

>No. I'm asking a question.

No. You're making a statement.

>
>
>>
>> And look at iCloud and it's "two factor authentication" that one
>> could bypass by having it do a full sync to a machine.
>
>> Cite?
>
> Google?

>So you can't support his claim either...

It's not my claim to support...however, you can't seem to discount it,
eh?

>
>
>> And that Apple watch. Available "early next year". Let's face it,
>> it's not even complete. Battery life? "Tim Cook did say to expect
>> the Watch to last "all day,"" Apple's CEO "expects" the watch to
>> last all day. The CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER can only give us a
>> guesstimate?
>
>> And that has what to do with credit card data?
>
> Strawman...........one without a chin.

>LOL

It's good you can laugh at yourself.

[Alan Baker]

Really?

So you don't know what a question mark means, huh?

>
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> And look at iCloud and it's "two factor authentication" that one could
>>> bypass by having it do a full sync to a machine.
>>
>>> Cite?
>>
>> Google?
>
>> So you can't support his claim either...
>
> It's not my claim to support...however, you can't seem to discount it, eh?

It's not my job to discount it.

>
>>
>>
>>> And that Apple watch. Available "early next year". Let's face it, it's
>>> not even complete. Battery life? "Tim Cook did say to expect the Watch
>>> to last "all day,"" Apple's CEO "expects" the watch to last all day.
>>> The CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER can only give us a guesstimate?
>>
>>> And that has what to do with credit card data?
>>
>> Strawman...........one without a chin.
>
>> LOL
>
> It's good you can laugh at yourself.

Is that what you think is happening?

LOL

[KDT]

Because they could handle the credit card data in the same sloppy
manner as their livecast. If they couldn't turn off the Chinese or

----
You're right. It's not like Apple has any experience storing credit cards and selling stuff online.....

[isq...@gmail.com]

On Tuesday, September 9, 2014 9:29:29 PM UTC+3, Steven de Mena wrote:
> On 9/9/14, 10:42 AM, Alan Baker wrote:
>
> > On 2014-09-09 17:19:33 +0000, Steve de Mena said:
>
> >
>
> >> Apple proves again they choke when it comes to delivering large
>
> >> amounts of data. The live stream is stopping every minute or so and
>
> >> I can hear a simultaneous Chinese or Japanese translation.
>
> >>
>
> >> LOL
>
> >>
>
> >> Steve
>
> >
>
> > Steve: it proves that the amount of supply is being exceeded by the
>
> > demand...
>
> >
>
> > ...but do you know what the demand is?
>
> >
>
>
>
> Are you defending Apple's inability to live stream an event?
>
>
>
> I don't care what the demand is. I wanted to watch the live stream.
>
>
>
> Did the demand cause me to hear a simultaneous Chinese or Japanese
>
> language translation in the audio? LOL
>
>
>
> And why does their live stream require Apple products??
>

why not, if you don't have a mac or an ipad you likely don't need the next
generation of them

can't imagine many iwatch wearers without an other apple gadget
it's pretty much meaningless

[Steve de Mena]

On 9/9/14, 5:15 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2014-09-10 00:08:07 +0000, Steve de Mena said:
>
>> On 9/9/14, 1:33 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yep, these are the guys I'm going to trust with my credit card
>>>>> information.
>>>>
>>>>> Because they limit their live stream?
>>>>
>>>> Now why would they do that in the major Apple event of the year?
>>>
>>> Don't know.
>>>
>>> But why is the fact that they limited their live stream to Apple
>>> devices even a factor in deciding to whom it might be safe to give
>>> your credit card info?
>>
>> Because they could handle the credit card data in the same sloppy
>> manner as their livecast. If they couldn't turn off the Chinese or
>> Japanese simultaneous audio for 25 or more minutes how do I know
>> that they won't re-route the credit card info to the wrong
>> destination, forget to secure a database and before you know it 100+
>> million credit cards are in Eastern Europe or Asia.
>
> Oh... ....please.
>
> They're doing credit card data...
>
> ...RIGHT NOW.

Nope, not doing payments to 3rd parties, which AirPay will do. That
was a new product announcement.

iTunes store credit card issues? First hit I got. Probably more.
http://www.rsrresearch.com/2012/03/13/the-itunes-hack-attack-hiding-in-plain-sight/

>
>>
>> And look at iCloud and it's "two factor authentication" that one
>> could bypass by having it do a full sync to a machine.
>
> Cite?

Do you EVER read tech news??

Here's a Shockingly Easy Way To Skirt iCloud's Two-Factor Verification:
http://gizmodo.com/heres-a-shockingly-easy-way-to-skirt-iclouds-two-factor-1629938550

>>
>> And that Apple watch. Available "early next year". Let's face it,
>> it's not even complete. Battery life? "Tim Cook did say to expect
>> the Watch to last "all day,"" Apple's CEO "expects" the watch to
>> last all day. The CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER can only give us a
>> guesstimate?
>
> And that has what to do with credit card data?

Huh? It has to do with the Ebola virus in Africa. Should be obvious.

By the way, read this and weep.

http://blog.streamingmedia.com/2014/09/why-apples-livestream-failed.html

Read it twice:

http://blog.streamingmedia.com/2014/09/why-apples-livestream-failed.html

Steve

[Steve de Mena]

On 9/9/14, 5:44 PM, Alan Baker wrote:

>>>> And look at iCloud and it's "two factor authentication" that one
>>>> could bypass by having it do a full sync to a machine.
>>>
>>>> Cite?
>>>
>>> Google?
>>
>>> So you can't support his claim either...
>>
>> It's not my claim to support...however, you can't seem to discount
>> it, eh?
>
> It's not my job to discount it.

See previous post.

Oh heck, I'll make it easy for you:

Here's a Shockingly Easy Way To Skirt iCloud's Two-Factor Verification
http://gizmodo.com/heres-a-shockingly-easy-way-to-skirt-iclouds-two-factor-1629938550

I think your job is just to deny any anti-Apple comment made in this
group, regardless of vaidity.

Steve

[Steve de Mena]

AirPay is a lot more complex than that. And with Apple's secrecy it
probably hasn't been tested in a widespread manner like it should.

FYI
The iTunes Hack Attack, Hiding in Plain Sight
http://www.rsrresearch.com/2012/03/13/the-itunes-hack-attack-hiding-in-plain-sight/

Steve

[KDT]

Nope, not doing payments to 3rd parties, which AirPay will do. That
was a new product announcement.

iTunes store credit card issues? First hit I got. Probably more.
http://www.rsrresearch.com/2012/03/13/the-itunes-hack-attack-hiding-in-plain-sight/

-----
You mean if you use a weak password you're vulnerable to dictionary attacks. Shocking! Where have you been for the last 60 years?

But as far as the payment system, Apple never stores the credit card information used for payments. They said so explicitly. They transmit a request to authorizing bank using a token and then the bank issues a one time use number. The whole transaction is encrypted with a hash of your fingerprint.

[Tomkins]

"Alan Baker" wrote in message news:luo6st$dg5$2...@news.datemas.de...

It's obvious you don't.

>>> And look at iCloud and it's "two factor authentication" that one
>>> could bypass by having it do a full sync to a machine.
>>
>>> Cite?
>>
>> Google?
>
>> So you can't support his claim either...
>
> It's not my claim to support...however, you can't seem to discount
> it, eh?

>It's not my job to discount it.

Yet you're trying so had to.

>>> And that Apple watch. Available "early next year". Let's face it,
>>> it's not even complete. Battery life? "Tim Cook did say to expect
>>> the Watch to last "all day,"" Apple's CEO "expects" the watch to
>>> last all day. The CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER can only give us a
>>> guesstimate?
>>
>>> And that has what to do with credit card data?
>>
>> Strawman...........one without a chin.
>
>> LOL
>
> It's good you can laugh at yourself.

>Is that what you think is happening?

It's what I know is happening.

And I'll laugh at you now, LOL

>LOL

[sms]

Appletalk could not handle the bandwidth.

[Alan Baker]

On 2014-09-10 09:25:17 +0000, Steve de Mena said:

> On 9/9/14, 5:15 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2014-09-10 00:08:07 +0000, Steve de Mena said:
>>
>>> On 9/9/14, 1:33 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yep, these are the guys I'm going to trust with my credit card
>>>>>> information.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Because they limit their live stream?
>>>>>
>>>>> Now why would they do that in the major Apple event of the year?
>>>>
>>>> Don't know.
>>>>
>>>> But why is the fact that they limited their live stream to Apple
>>>> devices even a factor in deciding to whom it might be safe to give
>>>> your credit card info?
>>>
>>> Because they could handle the credit card data in the same sloppy
>>> manner as their livecast. If they couldn't turn off the Chinese or
>>> Japanese simultaneous audio for 25 or more minutes how do I know
>>> that they won't re-route the credit card info to the wrong
>>> destination, forget to secure a database and before you know it 100+
>>> million credit cards are in Eastern Europe or Asia.
>>
>> Oh... ....please.
>>
>> They're doing credit card data...
>>
>> ...RIGHT NOW.
>
> Nope, not doing payments to 3rd parties, which AirPay will do. That was
> a new product announcement.

And that has what to do with anything?

Apple is storing credit card data right now.

The ApplePay system won't be exposing that data on the iOS devices, nor
will even the merchant get it.

>
> iTunes store credit card issues? First hit I got. Probably more.
> http://www.rsrresearch.com/2012/03/13/the-itunes-hack-attack-hiding-in-plain-sight/
>

Wow. Someone used a password that somebody else figured out...

>
>
>>
>>>
>>> And look at iCloud and it's "two factor authentication" that one
>>> could bypass by having it do a full sync to a machine.
>>
>> Cite?
>
> Do you EVER read tech news??
>
> Here's a Shockingly Easy Way To Skirt iCloud's Two-Factor Verification:
> http://gizmodo.com/heres-a-shockingly-easy-way-to-skirt-iclouds-two-factor-1629938550
>

'"It's pretty clear that Apple's doing its best to guard your wallet
with this implementation — anything that might cause a credit card
charge via an unfamiliar iOS device is going to force you to
authenticate," Rose writes.'

>
>
>
>>>
>>> And that Apple watch. Available "early next year". Let's face it,
>>> it's not even complete. Battery life? "Tim Cook did say to expect
>>> the Watch to last "all day,"" Apple's CEO "expects" the watch to
>>> last all day. The CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER can only give us a
>>> guesstimate?
>>
>> And that has what to do with credit card data?
>
> Huh? It has to do with the Ebola virus in Africa. Should be obvious.
>
> By the way, read this and weep.
>
> http://blog.streamingmedia.com/2014/09/why-apples-livestream-failed.html
>
> Read it twice:
>
> http://blog.streamingmedia.com/2014/09/why-apples-livestream-failed.html

Why?

All it shows is that demand exceeded supply.

[Steve de Mena]

HUH? Did you actually read that before writing it.

Steve

[Steve de Mena]

Right. I feel confident. LOL

Steve

[Steve de Mena]

Wow, and that was the only incident EVER for the iTunes store. Right.

[Alan Baker]

And you pretend this is different than every other company on earth who
deals with credit cards....


...how?

Target? Home Depot?

In whom do you TRUST, Steve?