Apple sold more iPads than HP sold PC's....

[KDT]

Cuss and discuss.

http://www.slashgear.com/apple-sold-more-ipads-than-hp-sold-pcs-24210596/

And before someone says that an iPad is not a computer....

The CEO of HP considers an iPad a PC....

http://9to5mac.com/2011/11/30/hp-ceo-with-ipad-apple-could-pass-us-in-2012-and-we-might-go-android/

[Flint]

On 1/24/2012 9:12 PM, KDT wrote:
> Cuss and discuss.
>
> http://www.slashgear.com/apple-sold-more-ipads-than-hp-sold-pcs-24210596/
>
> And before someone says that an iPad is not a computer....

OK, it's a PC... just not as fully capable PC. Therefore, iPads and
PCs are still apples/oranges.


--
MFB

[Nashton]

On 12-01-24 10:12 PM, KDT wrote:
> Cuss and discuss.
>
> http://www.slashgear.com/apple-sold-more-ipads-than-hp-sold-pcs-24210596/

And Samsung sold more washers than Macs. Does this make washers PCs?

>
> And before someone says that an iPad is not a computer....
>
> The CEO of HP considers an iPad a PC....

Who cares?

>
> http://9to5mac.com/2011/11/30/hp-ceo-with-ipad-apple-could-pass-us-in-2012-and-we-might-go-android/

[KDT]

On Jan 25, 7:17 am, Nashton <n...@na.ca> wrote:
> On 12-01-24 10:12 PM, KDT wrote:
>
> > Cuss and discuss.
>

> >http://www.slashgear.com/apple-sold-more-ipads-than-hp-sold-pcs-24210...

>
> And Samsung sold more washers than Macs. Does this make washers PCs?
>

So whose word should I take on what a computer is? Some idiot on
usenet or the CEO of HP?

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >http://9to5mac.com/2011/11/30/hp-ceo-with-ipad-apple-could-pass-us-in...

[Redjak]

"KDT" wrote in message
news:d92e178b-3328-4efb...@t2g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...

On Jan 25, 7:17 am, Nashton <n...@na.ca> wrote:
> On 12-01-24 10:12 PM, KDT wrote:
>
> > Cuss and discuss.
>
> >http://www.slashgear.com/apple-sold-more-ipads-than-hp-sold-pcs-24210...
>
> And Samsung sold more washers than Macs. Does this make washers PCs?
>

>So whose word should I take on what a computer is? Some idiot on
>usenet or the CEO of HP?

Weren't you one of the Freaks who were crowing about what a fool he
was when they decided to get out of the PC line?

A word of advice: You should try to get a life. Living vicariously
thru Apple and picking up animal dung is not really considered
productive.

[KDT]

On Jan 25, 11:20 am, "Redjak" <Redjack...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "KDT"  wrote in message
>
> news:d92e178b-3328-4efb...@t2g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
>
> On Jan 25, 7:17 am, Nashton <n...@na.ca> wrote:
>
> > On 12-01-24 10:12 PM, KDT wrote:
>
> > > Cuss and discuss.
>
> > >http://www.slashgear.com/apple-sold-more-ipads-than-hp-sold-pcs-24210...
>
> > And Samsung sold more washers than Macs. Does this make washers PCs?
>
> >So whose word should I take on what a computer is? Some idiot on
> >usenet or the CEO of HP?
>
> Weren't you one of the Freaks who were crowing about what a fool he
> was when they decided to get out of the PC line?

1. No
2. Different CEO
3. The CEO of HP is not a "he"

You fail.

[Alan Baker]

In article <jforss$5oi$3...@speranza.aioe.org>, Nashton <na...@na.ca>
wrote:

> On 12-01-24 10:12 PM, KDT wrote:
> > Cuss and discuss.
> >
> > http://www.slashgear.com/apple-sold-more-ipads-than-hp-sold-pcs-24210596/
>
> And Samsung sold more washers than Macs. Does this make washers PCs?
>
> >
> > And before someone says that an iPad is not a computer....
> >
> > The CEO of HP considers an iPad a PC....
>
> Who cares?

I'll bet you HP cares... ...and Dell... ...and Samsung.

:-)

>
> >
> > http://9to5mac.com/2011/11/30/hp-ceo-with-ipad-apple-could-pass-us-in-2012-a
> > nd-we-might-go-android/

--
"The iPhone doesn't have...
...well, since Edwin seems to have finally crawled away for good,
I guess I'll let him off the hook

[AD]

They cut his dick off for selling pc business?
I thought dick cutting was until now reserved to the folks flying
coach in the US of A
with business class being immune to that democratic practice.

[Nashton]

On 12-01-25 11:03 AM, KDT wrote:
> On Jan 25, 7:17 am, Nashton<n...@na.ca> wrote:
>> On 12-01-24 10:12 PM, KDT wrote:
>>
>>> Cuss and discuss.
>>
>>> http://www.slashgear.com/apple-sold-more-ipads-than-hp-sold-pcs-24210...
>>
>> And Samsung sold more washers than Macs. Does this make washers PCs?
>>
>
> So whose word should I take on what a computer is? Some idiot on
> usenet or the CEO of HP?

And Samsung sold more washers than Macs. Does this or does in not make
washers PCs?


>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> http://9to5mac.com/2011/11/30/hp-ceo-with-ipad-apple-could-pass-us-in...
>

[Nashton]

On 12-01-25 2:14 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> In article<jforss$5oi$3...@speranza.aioe.org>, Nashton<na...@na.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> On 12-01-24 10:12 PM, KDT wrote:
>>> Cuss and discuss.
>>>
>>> http://www.slashgear.com/apple-sold-more-ipads-than-hp-sold-pcs-24210596/
>>
>> And Samsung sold more washers than Macs. Does this make washers PCs?
>>
>>>
>>> And before someone says that an iPad is not a computer....
>>>
>>> The CEO of HP considers an iPad a PC....
>>
>> Who cares?
>
> I'll bet you HP cares... ...and Dell... ...and Samsung.
>
> :-)

Of course *they* care.
Why would you or anyone else care?

>>> http://9to5mac.com/2011/11/30/hp-ceo-with-ipad-apple-could-pass-us-in-2012-a
>>> nd-we-might-go-android/
>

[KDT]

Unless you know something about Meg Whitman that I didn't know. I
don't think she ever had one.

[Alan Baker]

In article <jfrfup$3an$3...@speranza.aioe.org>, Nashton <na...@na.ca>

wrote:

> On 12-01-25 2:14 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> > In article<jforss$5oi$3...@speranza.aioe.org>, Nashton<na...@na.ca>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 12-01-24 10:12 PM, KDT wrote:
> >>> Cuss and discuss.
> >>>
> >>> http://www.slashgear.com/apple-sold-more-ipads-than-hp-sold-pcs-24210596/
> >>
> >> And Samsung sold more washers than Macs. Does this make washers PCs?
> >>
> >>>
> >>> And before someone says that an iPad is not a computer....
> >>>
> >>> The CEO of HP considers an iPad a PC....
> >>
> >> Who cares?
> >
> > I'll bet you HP cares... ...and Dell... ...and Samsung.
> >
> > :-)
>
> Of course *they* care.
> Why would you or anyone else care?

You care...

>
> >>> http://9to5mac.com/2011/11/30/hp-ceo-with-ipad-apple-could-pass-us-in-2012

[Redjak]

"KDT" wrote in message
news:ca0fc3a2-7cb3-4744...@c8g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...

So your saying he wasn't a fool.

>2. Different CEO

So you "respect" this one today?

>3. The CEO of HP is not a "he"

So you "respect" her today?

>You fail.

You are not capable of making a judgment like that. Your "expertise"
lies in the field of "of animal dung disposal". Why did you clip that
part? A nothing like you should be happy to have a paying job making
legal money.

[Redjak]

"KDT" wrote in message
news:a95e5178-90da-44b7...@c13g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...

So you are now claiming to know her "intimately"?

>I don't think she ever had one.

You "don't think"? - Yes, we know.

[Nashton]

On 01-26-12 8:11 AM, Nashton wrote:
> On 12-01-25 11:03 AM, KDT wrote:
>> On Jan 25, 7:17 am, Nashton<n...@na.ca> wrote:
>>> On 12-01-24 10:12 PM, KDT wrote:
>>>
>>>> Cuss and discuss.
>>>
>>>> http://www.slashgear.com/apple-sold-more-ipads-than-hp-sold-pcs-24210...
>>>>
>>>
>>> And Samsung sold more washers than Macs. Does this make washers PCs?
>>>
>>
>> So whose word should I take on what a computer is? Some idiot on
>> usenet or the CEO of HP?
>
> And Samsung sold more washers than Macs. Does this or does in not make
> washers PCs?

Crickets?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> http://9to5mac.com/2011/11/30/hp-ceo-with-ipad-apple-could-pass-us-in...
>>>>
>>
>

[Nashton]

On 01-26-12 2:55 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> In article<jfrfup$3an$3...@speranza.aioe.org>, Nashton<na...@na.ca>

> wrote:
>
>> On 12-01-25 2:14 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>> In article<jforss$5oi$3...@speranza.aioe.org>, Nashton<na...@na.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 12-01-24 10:12 PM, KDT wrote:
>>>>> Cuss and discuss.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.slashgear.com/apple-sold-more-ipads-than-hp-sold-pcs-24210596/
>>>>
>>>> And Samsung sold more washers than Macs. Does this make washers PCs?
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And before someone says that an iPad is not a computer....
>>>>>
>>>>> The CEO of HP considers an iPad a PC....
>>>>
>>>> Who cares?
>>>
>>> I'll bet you HP cares... ...and Dell... ...and Samsung.
>>>
>>> :-)
>>
>> Of course *they* care.
>> Why would you or anyone else care?
>
> You care...

Of course they car, why would you or anyone else care?
And why do you think that I care?

LOL


>
>>
>>>>> http://9to5mac.com/2011/11/30/hp-ceo-with-ipad-apple-could-pass-us-in-2012
>>>>> -a
>>>>> nd-we-might-go-android/
>>>
>

[Mayor Of R'lyeh]

On Jan 24, 9:12 pm, KDT <scarface...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Cuss and discuss.
>

> http://www.slashgear.com/apple-sold-more-ipads-than-hp-sold-pcs-24210...

>
> And before someone says that an iPad is not a computer....
>
> The CEO of HP considers an iPad a PC....
>

> http://9to5mac.com/2011/11/30/hp-ceo-with-ipad-apple-could-pass-us-in...

So you're saying that what the CEO of
HP believes is your gold standard for truth?

[Alan Baker]

In article <jfsade$6tb$4...@speranza.aioe.org>, Nashton <na...@na.ca>

wrote:

> On 01-26-12 2:55 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> > In article<jfrfup$3an$3...@speranza.aioe.org>, Nashton<na...@na.ca>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 12-01-25 2:14 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> >>> In article<jforss$5oi$3...@speranza.aioe.org>, Nashton<na...@na.ca>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 12-01-24 10:12 PM, KDT wrote:
> >>>>> Cuss and discuss.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://www.slashgear.com/apple-sold-more-ipads-than-hp-sold-pcs-24210596
> >>>>> /
> >>>>
> >>>> And Samsung sold more washers than Macs. Does this make washers PCs?
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And before someone says that an iPad is not a computer....
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The CEO of HP considers an iPad a PC....
> >>>>
> >>>> Who cares?
> >>>
> >>> I'll bet you HP cares... ...and Dell... ...and Samsung.
> >>>
> >>> :-)
> >>
> >> Of course *they* care.
> >> Why would you or anyone else care?
> >
> > You care...
>
> Of course they car, why would you or anyone else care?
> And why do you think that I care?
>
> LOL

For the same reason you assume that I do, Nicolas.

[Alan Baker]

In article
<57f1a127-49f7-4ca1...@h6g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,

No.

He's pointing out that the CEO of HP is someone whose opinion on the
subject of what constitutes a personal computer is worth consideering.

[Alan Baker]

In article <jfsabv$6tb$3...@speranza.aioe.org>, Nashton <na...@na.ca>
wrote:

> On 01-26-12 8:11 AM, Nashton wrote:
> > On 12-01-25 11:03 AM, KDT wrote:
> >> On Jan 25, 7:17 am, Nashton<n...@na.ca> wrote:
> >>> On 12-01-24 10:12 PM, KDT wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Cuss and discuss.
> >>>
> >>>> http://www.slashgear.com/apple-sold-more-ipads-than-hp-sold-pcs-24210...
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> And Samsung sold more washers than Macs. Does this make washers PCs?
> >>>
> >>
> >> So whose word should I take on what a computer is? Some idiot on
> >> usenet or the CEO of HP?
> >
> > And Samsung sold more washers than Macs. Does this or does in not make
> > washers PCs?
>
>
> Crickets?

Everyone is just too embarrassed for you.

[Redjak]

"Nashton" wrote in message news:jfrfsk$3an$2...@speranza.aioe.org...

On 12-01-25 11:03 AM, KDT wrote:
> On Jan 25, 7:17 am, Nashton<n...@na.ca> wrote:
>> On 12-01-24 10:12 PM, KDT wrote:
>>
>>> Cuss and discuss.
>>
>>> http://www.slashgear.com/apple-sold-more-ipads-than-hp-sold-pcs-24210...
>>
>> And Samsung sold more washers than Macs. Does this make washers
>> PCs?
>>
>
> So whose word should I take on what a computer is? Some idiot on
> usenet or the CEO of HP?

>And Samsung sold more washers than Macs. Does this or does in not
>make washers PCs?

And soon, Apple will be selling kitchen appliances as their consumer
electronics market share gets gobbled up by Google.

iBlender.

iToaster.

iMicrowave oven.

iPotato peeler.

[Redjak]

"Mayor Of R'lyeh" wrote in message
news:57f1a127-49f7-4ca1...@h6g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...

Yeah - from the CEO of a company that’s leaving the PC business.
Something to hang your hat on.

[Mayor Of R'lyeh]

On Jan 26, 3:00 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
> In article
> <57f1a127-49f7-4ca1-8a37-84fab9164...@h6g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,

>  "Mayor Of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 24, 9:12 pm, KDT <scarface...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Cuss and discuss.
>
> > >http://www.slashgear.com/apple-sold-more-ipads-than-hp-sold-pcs-24210...
>
> > > And before someone says that an iPad is not a computer....
>
> > > The CEO of HP considers an iPad a PC....
>
> > >http://9to5mac.com/2011/11/30/hp-ceo-with-ipad-apple-could-pass-us-in...
>
> > So you're saying that what the CEO of
> > HP believes is your gold standard for truth?
>
> No.
>
> He's pointing out that the CEO of HP is someone whose opinion on the
> subject of what constitutes a personal computer is worth consideering.
>

1) There's nothing in that link to indicate that she thinks they are a
computer. She says 'if you integrate iPads'. Which means if you count
them. She actually makes no statement on whether she considers them
one or not.

2) What we're looking at is connotation vs denotation. Is an iPad a
computer? In the technical sense yes. But so are digital clocks and
pocket calculators. Very few people would point to one of those if
asked to point out the computer in a group of items particularly if
that group included a desktop or a laptop.

And while a case can be made for the iPad to be considered a computer
even in the connotation sense as it does most of what most people want
a computer for I would still argue that it's limitations when compared
to a desktop or laptop machine still place it in separate category.

[Mayor Of R'lyeh]

On Jan 26, 3:47 pm, "Redjak" <Redjack...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Mayor Of R'lyeh"  wrote in messagenews:57f1a127-49f7-4ca1...@h6g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...

The last I heard HP had decided to retain their computer business.

[KDT]

On Jan 26, 2:52 pm, "Mayor Of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rl...@gmail.com>
wrote:

I believe that the CEO of the (former) largest PC seller in the world
knows more about computers than a random person on Usenet.

[KDT]

On Jan 26, 5:03 pm, "Mayor Of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rl...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> 1) There's nothing in that link to indicate that she thinks they are a
> computer. She says 'if you integrate iPads'. Which means if you count
> them. She actually makes no statement on whether she considers them
> one or not.

"Apple could go past HP in 2012. We will try to become the champion in
2013. It takes time for the products on which I have come to influence
the market."

So when she said Apple "could go pass HP in 2012", what do you think
she means? When the statement was made, Apple had already passed HP
in market cap, revenue, and profit. What other metric could she be
referring to?

>
> 2) What we're looking at is connotation vs denotation. Is an iPad a
> computer? In the technical sense yes. But so are digital clocks and
> pocket calculators. Very few people would point to one of those if
> asked to point out the computer in a group of items particularly if
> that group included a desktop or a laptop.

So do you think that she was comparing digital clocks to HP computer
sales or tablets?

Well a number of people would also say that evolution isn't real and
the earth is only about 7000 years old. Despite the popularity of
Wikipedia, facts are not changed via "consensus.

>
> And while a case can be made for the iPad to be considered a computer
> even in the connotation sense as it does most of what most people want
> a computer for I would still argue that it's limitations when compared
> to a desktop or laptop machine still place it in separate category.

Again, the CEO of HP seems to be concerned with the iPad causing PC's
to become less popular, so people must be using iPads in place of
desktops/laptops.

[Alan Baker]

In article
<92cac6d4-91d4-4d69...@t8g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>,

"Mayor Of R'lyeh" <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jan 26, 3:47 pm, "Redjak" <Redjack...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > "Mayor Of R'lyeh"  wrote in
> > messagenews:57f1a127-49f7-4ca1...@h6g2000yqk.googlegroups.com
> > ...
> >
> > On Jan 24, 9:12 pm, KDT <scarface...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Cuss and discuss.
> >
> > >http://www.slashgear.com/apple-sold-more-ipads-than-hp-sold-pcs-24210...
> >
> > > And before someone says that an iPad is not a computer....
> >
> > > The CEO of HP considers an iPad a PC....
> >
> > >http://9to5mac.com/2011/11/30/hp-ceo-with-ipad-apple-could-pass-us-in...
> > >So you're saying that what the CEO of
> > >HP believes is your gold standard for truth?
> >

> > Yeah - from the CEO of a company thatšs leaving the PC business.

> > Something to hang your hat on.
>
> The last I heard HP had decided to retain their computer business.

Facts don't seem to make any impact on Michael or Brian...

[Nashton]

On 12-01-26 6:55 PM, KDT wrote:
> On Jan 26, 5:03 pm, "Mayor Of R'lyeh"<mayor.of.rl...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> 1) There's nothing in that link to indicate that she thinks they are a
>> computer. She says 'if you integrate iPads'. Which means if you count
>> them. She actually makes no statement on whether she considers them
>> one or not.
>
> "Apple could go past HP in 2012. We will try to become the champion in
> 2013. It takes time for the products on which I have come to influence
> the market."

Perhaps she was referring to profits? market cap?

>
> So when she said Apple "could go pass HP in 2012", what do you think
> she means? When the statement was made, Apple had already passed HP
> in market cap, revenue, and profit. What other metric could she be
> referring to?

Nope, nothing there stating that she believes iPads are computers. Just
your inference. Given that your judgement is for the dogs, why am Inot
surprised you're wrong....again?

>>
>> 2) What we're looking at is connotation vs denotation. Is an iPad a
>> computer? In the technical sense yes. But so are digital clocks and
>> pocket calculators. Very few people would point to one of those if
>> asked to point out the computer in a group of items particularly if
>> that group included a desktop or a laptop.
>
> So do you think that she was comparing digital clocks to HP computer
> sales or tablets?
>
> Well a number of people would also say that evolution isn't real and
> the earth is only about 7000 years old. Despite the popularity of
> Wikipedia, facts are not changed via "consensus.
>
>>
>> And while a case can be made for the iPad to be considered a computer
>> even in the connotation sense as it does most of what most people want
>> a computer for I would still argue that it's limitations when compared
>> to a desktop or laptop machine still place it in separate category.
>
> Again, the CEO of HP seems to be concerned with the iPad causing PC's
> to become less popular, so people must be using iPads in place of
> desktops/laptops.

Nope, nothing there about her alleged belief that iPads are computers.

[Nashton]

On 12-01-26 10:38 PM, Alan Baker wrote:

>>>
>>> On Jan 24, 9:12 pm, KDT<scarface...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Cuss and discuss.
>>>
>>>> http://www.slashgear.com/apple-sold-more-ipads-than-hp-sold-pcs-24210...
>>>
>>>> And before someone says that an iPad is not a computer....
>>>
>>>> The CEO of HP considers an iPad a PC....
>>>
>>>> http://9to5mac.com/2011/11/30/hp-ceo-with-ipad-apple-could-pass-us-in...
>>>> So you're saying that what the CEO of
>>>> HP believes is your gold standard for truth?
>>>

>>> Yeah - from the CEO of a company thatąs leaving the PC business.

>>> Something to hang your hat on.
>>
>> The last I heard HP had decided to retain their computer business.
>
> Facts don't seem to make any impact on Michael or Brian...
>

Of course, cultist ;)

[Nashton]

Except that she didn't say anything about iPads being computers.
I understand that since Jobs' death you need an authority figure to fill
the void, but the CEO of...HP?

[Alan Baker]

In article <jft4q4$v1q$1...@speranza.aioe.org>, Nashton <na...@na.ca>
wrote:

> On 12-01-26 6:55 PM, KDT wrote:
> > On Jan 26, 5:03 pm, "Mayor Of R'lyeh"<mayor.of.rl...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >> 1) There's nothing in that link to indicate that she thinks they are a
> >> computer. She says 'if you integrate iPads'. Which means if you count
> >> them. She actually makes no statement on whether she considers them
> >> one or not.
> >
> > "Apple could go past HP in 2012. We will try to become the champion in
> > 2013. It takes time for the products on which I have come to influence
> > the market."
>
> Perhaps she was referring to profits? market cap?

You really should read the entire post before starting your reply.

>
> >
> > So when she said Apple "could go pass HP in 2012", what do you think
> > she means? When the statement was made, Apple had already passed HP
> > in market cap, revenue, and profit. What other metric could she be
> > referring to?
>
> Nope, nothing there stating that she believes iPads are computers. Just
> your inference. Given that your judgement is for the dogs, why am Inot
> surprised you're wrong....again?

She couldn't have been referring to profits or market cap or revenue, so
what was left?

>
>
>
> >>
> >> 2) What we're looking at is connotation vs denotation. Is an iPad a
> >> computer? In the technical sense yes. But so are digital clocks and
> >> pocket calculators. Very few people would point to one of those if
> >> asked to point out the computer in a group of items particularly if
> >> that group included a desktop or a laptop.
> >
> > So do you think that she was comparing digital clocks to HP computer
> > sales or tablets?
> >
> > Well a number of people would also say that evolution isn't real and
> > the earth is only about 7000 years old. Despite the popularity of
> > Wikipedia, facts are not changed via "consensus.
> >
> >>
> >> And while a case can be made for the iPad to be considered a computer
> >> even in the connotation sense as it does most of what most people want
> >> a computer for I would still argue that it's limitations when compared
> >> to a desktop or laptop machine still place it in separate category.
> >
> > Again, the CEO of HP seems to be concerned with the iPad causing PC's
> > to become less popular, so people must be using iPads in place of
> > desktops/laptops.
>
> Nope, nothing there about her alleged belief that iPads are computers.

LOL

[Alan Baker]

In article <jft4v5$v1q$4...@speranza.aioe.org>, Nashton <na...@na.ca>
wrote:

Except that she did.

'"Yes. I think it零 possible if you integrate tablets," said HP零 CEO,
Meg Whitman in response to a question from French newspaper Le Figaro
[translated] concerning Apple零 possible takeover as the world零 top PC
maker. "Apple does a great job. We need to improve our game and our
products to take over the leadership position. Apple could go past HP in

2012. We will try to become the champion in 2013. It takes time for the

products on which I have come to influence the market."'

The original source makes it more clear:

'LE FIGARO. - Apple is expected to become world number one personal
computer in 2012, according to Canalys. Do you agree with this forecast?

Meg Whitman. - Yes. I think it's possible if you integrate the
[tablets]. Apple makes a great job. We need to improve our game and our
products to take over the leadership position. Apple could go past HP in

2012. We will try to become the champion in 2013. It takes time for the

products on which I have come to influence the market.'

<http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=
UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lefigaro.fr%2Fsocietes%2F2011%2F
11%2F29%2F04015-20111129ARTFIG00634-whitman-reconnait-qu-apple-pourrait-d
epasser-hp-en-2012.php&act=url>

[KDT]

On Jan 26, 10:14 pm, Nashton <n...@na.ca> wrote:
> On 12-01-26 6:55 PM, KDT wrote:
>
> > On Jan 26, 5:03 pm, "Mayor Of R'lyeh"<mayor.of.rl...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >> 1) There's nothing in that link to indicate that she thinks they are a
> >> computer. She says 'if you integrate iPads'. Which means if you count
> >> them. She actually makes no statement on whether she considers them
> >> one or not.
>
> > "Apple could go past HP in 2012. We will try to become the champion in
> > 2013. It takes time for the products on which I have come to influence
> > the market."
>
> Perhaps she was referring to profits? market cap?
>

Apple passed HP in both profits and market cap years ago....,

>
>
> > So when she said Apple "could go pass HP in 2012", what do you think
> > she means?  When the statement was made, Apple had already passed HP
> > in market cap, revenue, and profit.  What other metric could she be
> > referring to?
>
> Nope, nothing there stating that she believes iPads are computers. Just
> your inference. Given that your judgement is for the dogs, why am Inot
> surprised you're wrong....again?
>
>

So Since your conjecture about market cap and profits is obviously
wrong and the only way at the time that Apple had not passed HP is in
market cap. What do you think it was?

[Redjak]

"KDT" wrote in message
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IOW: You believe everything you read? Typical fool.

[Redjak]

"Mayor Of R'lyeh" wrote in message

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On Jan 26, 3:47 pm, "Redjak" <Redjack...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Mayor Of R'lyeh" wrote in
> messagenews:57f1a127-49f7-4ca1...@h6g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
>
> On Jan 24, 9:12 pm, KDT <scarface...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Cuss and discuss.
>
> >http://www.slashgear.com/apple-sold-more-ipads-than-hp-sold-pcs-24210...
>
> > And before someone says that an iPad is not a computer....
>
> > The CEO of HP considers an iPad a PC....
>
> >http://9to5mac.com/2011/11/30/hp-ceo-with-ipad-apple-could-pass-us-in...
> >So you're saying that what the CEO of
> >HP believes is your gold standard for truth?
>

> Yeah - from the CEO of a company that�s leaving the PC business.

> Something to hang your hat on.

>The last I heard HP had decided to retain their computer business.

Thanks for the update. Many people like the product. I cleaned one
up for someone and was shocked at how fast and smooth it ran.

[AD]

You seem to have completely missed the part of a dickless feminist at
the helm of hp.

[KDT]

So are you one of those creationist?

[Redjak]

"AD" wrote in message
news:3a26a28c-b324-4b99...@o20g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...

Yes, it is odd.

[Redjak]

"Nashton" wrote in message news:jft4v5$v1q$4...@speranza.aioe.org...

It's interesting and amusing how these two jerks take half a sentence
out of context and contort thru hoops in a failed attempt to make it
gospel.

[Mayor Of R'lyeh]

Based on what? She was the CEO of eBay for most of her career. She
didn't advance through the ranks at HP. Also she was hired for her
business skills not her technical ones. There's no logical reason to
think she knows more about computers than any other person.

[Mayor Of R'lyeh]

On Jan 26, 10:41 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
> In article <jft4v5$v1...@speranza.aioe.org>, Nashton <n...@na.ca>

> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 12-01-26 6:46 PM, KDT wrote:
> > > On Jan 26, 2:52 pm, "Mayor Of R'lyeh"<mayor.of.rl...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >> On Jan 24, 9:12 pm, KDT<scarface...@yahoo.com>  wrote:
>
> > >>> Cuss and discuss.
>
> > >>>http://www.slashgear.com/apple-sold-more-ipads-than-hp-sold-pcs-24210...
>
> > >>> And before someone says that an iPad is not a computer....
>
> > >>> The CEO of HP considers an iPad a PC....
>
> > >>>http://9to5mac.com/2011/11/30/hp-ceo-with-ipad-apple-could-pass-us-in...
>
> > >> So you're saying that what the CEO of
> > >> HP believes is your gold standard for truth?
>
> > > I believe that the CEO of the (former) largest PC seller in the world
> > > knows more about computers than a random person on Usenet.
>
> > Except that she didn't say anything about iPads being computers.
> > I understand that since Jobs' death you need an authority figure to fill
> > the void, but the CEO of...HP?
>
> Except that she did.
>

> '"Yes. I think it¹s possible if you integrate tablets," said HP¹s CEO,

> Meg Whitman in response to a question from French newspaper Le Figaro

> [translated] concerning Apple¹s possible takeover as the world¹s top PC

> maker. "Apple does a great job. We need to improve our game and our
> products to take over the leadership position. Apple could go past HP in
> 2012. We will try to become the champion in 2013. It takes time for the
> products on which I have come to influence the market."'
>
> The original source makes it more clear:
>
> 'LE FIGARO. - Apple is expected to become world number one personal
> computer in 2012, according to Canalys. Do you agree with this forecast?
>
> Meg Whitman. - Yes. I think it's possible if you integrate the
> [tablets]. Apple makes a great job. We need to improve our game and our
> products to take over the leadership position. Apple could go past HP in
> 2012. We will try to become the champion in 2013. It takes time for the
> products on which I have come to influence the market.'
>
> <http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=
> UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lefigaro.fr%2Fsocietes%2F2011%2F
> 11%2F29%2F04015-20111129ARTFIG00634-whitman-reconnait-qu-apple-pourrait-d
> epasser-hp-en-2012.php&act=url>
>

In both of those she simply says 'if you integrate (count) tablets (as
computers)...'. I'm not quite sure how you guys are getting that to '
I, Meg Whitman, do aver that tablets are now and forever shall be the
same as any desktop or laptop computer.' It seems to me that if she
was as behind the ideas that tablets are the same as PCs there would
be no need for her to insert that qualifier. IOW her statement makes
it seem that it more likely than not that she doesn't think tablets
are the equivalents to regular computers,

[KDT]

On Jan 27, 3:04 pm, "Mayor Of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rl...@gmail.com>

So wouldn't here "business skills" at least give her the ability to
know which products are comparable to her own?

[Flint]

Except that under that dickless feminist's regime, the WebOS roadmap
apparently has been rethought very carefully, and a new prudent open
source development path for it has emerged, and appears to be at a
rather accelerated pace, and HP is actively throwing some more
resources into it as well.

https://developer.palm.com/

--
MFB

[KDT]

I'm sure now it will be a raging success just like the QNX based
Blackberry OS right?

So which phone manufacturer do you think will use WebOS in the next
year?

[Nashton]

WTF does blackberry or QNX have anything to do with a woman running HP?

1. More popular and successful than anything you'll do in your puny
little existence.
2. Are you saying QNX was a failure or that RIM is a failure?


Was the MacOS a failure when it barely had 3% market share? Is Bentley a
failure because it only enjoys minuscule market share?

[Nashton]

Listen Baker...er KDT, she never said iPads were computers no matter how
long you repeat it while holding your breath.

[Redjak]

"Nashton" wrote in message news:jg43o6$roo$1...@speranza.aioe.org...

With KDT, he's so insecure that when he has nothing to say, he says
anything.

[KDT]

On Jan 29, 1:39 pm, Nashton <n...@na.ca> wrote:
> > I'm sure now it will be a raging success just like the QNX based
> > Blackberry OS right?
>
> WTF does blackberry or QNX have anything to do with a woman running HP?

Flint went on for months saying how great QNX was and how successful
it would be.

>
> 1. More popular and successful than anything you'll do in your puny
> little existence.

I can confidently say that software I wrote will be used by more
people than WebOS over the next year......

> 2. Are you saying QNX was a failure or that RIM is a failure?
>

I guess the CEOs of RIM stepped down because of their raging success
over the past few years....especially the Playbook and all of those
QNX based phones they've delivered.....

> Was the MacOS a failure when it barely had 3% market share? Is Bentley a
> failure because it only enjoys minuscule market share?
>

Mac sales are increasing and the division is becoming more profitable
every year. Can you say the same about RIM?

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > So which phone manufacturer do you think will use WebOS in the next
> > year?

I see you didn't answer that.....

[KDT]

Your lack of comprehension is not my problem.....

[Redjak]

"KDT" wrote in message
news:ce177dda-01c3-4c30...@q8g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...

On Jan 29, 1:39 pm, Nashton <n...@na.ca> wrote:
> > I'm sure now it will be a raging success just like the QNX based
> > Blackberry OS right?
>
> WTF does blackberry or QNX have anything to do with a woman running
> HP?

>Flint went on for months saying how great QNX was and how successful
>it would be.


>
> 1. More popular and successful than anything you'll do in your puny
> little existence.

>I can confidently say that software I wrote will be used by more
>people than WebOS over the next year......

Where can I get a copy now?

[Flint]

I suppose that remains to be seen.

>
> So which phone manufacturer do you think will use WebOS in the next
> year?

I don't have a crystal ball, but I suspect anyone who wants to hedge
their bets with an alternative OS in the event things heat up between
Apple and Google over Android?
--
MFB

[Flint]

Actually, he's just being a perpetual one-trick pony by throwing up
RIM's Blackberry playbook and QNX in my face since I expressed high
hopes for it over a year ago. For some reason, he thinks I was wrong
to favor it, even though I repeatedly told him I was more interested
in the PlayBook's QNX roots, and have been a QNX fan for 20+ years.
I was more jazzed about the rooting potential because of the QNX
underpinnings and he (and Sandflea farter) wanted to get all stupid
and pedantic on me because of my mistaken understanding of Apple's app
submission process and their source code reviewing. KDT acts like
some sort of iOS Techno-Priest/programmer, but apparently, in real
life only does programming for mundane devices like barcode handheld
scanning devices. Apparently, Apple's iOS based devices are just way
to sexy for him to handle...

>
>
> Was the MacOS a failure when it barely had 3% market share? Is Bentley
> a failure because it only enjoys minuscule market share?
>
>>
>> So which phone manufacturer do you think will use WebOS in the next
>> year?
>
>
>

--
MFB

[Flint]

On 1/29/2012 3:54 PM, KDT wrote:
> On Jan 29, 1:39 pm, Nashton<n...@na.ca> wrote:
>>> I'm sure now it will be a raging success just like the QNX based
>>> Blackberry OS right?
>>
>> WTF does blackberry or QNX have anything to do with a woman running HP?
>
> Flint went on for months saying how great QNX was and how successful
> it would be.

1> I never said it was guaranteed to be successful. I merely
expressed high hopes for it.

2> QNX is still a great OS on all architectures it has been ported to,
and will likely remain so for the forseeable future. QNX may just end
up being RIM's biggest asset of greatest value, even over RIM's own
Blackberry line.

>> 1. More popular and successful than anything you'll do in your puny
>> little existence.
>
> I can confidently say that software I wrote will be used by more
> people than WebOS over the next year......

....but apparently can't quite confidently (or credibly) tell us
exactly what is in any way that is verifiable.

Evidence, please... And please tell us how much $$$ it makes you.

C'mon, K_lingon D_ingleberry T_roll, would all know you'd love to
exercise bragging rights here. Just think of it, you could finally
put me in my place just by telling us what this great software you
wrote was, especially backed up by revenue figures.




--
MFB

[Flint]

Touche' :)

--
MFB

[KDT]

Hmmm..

Samsung -- already hedging their bets with bada.
Motorola - Being bought by Google
HTC, Samsung, and LG -- already in bed with both Android and WP7

Who's left?
> --
> MFB

[KDT]

On Jan 29, 8:19 pm, Flint <age...@section31.org> wrote:
>wanted to get all stupid
> and pedantic on me because of my mistaken understanding of Apple's app
> submission process and their source code reviewing.

There is no source code reviewing for iOS apps....

>  KDT acts like
> some sort of iOS Techno-Priest/programmer, but apparently, in real
> life only does programming for mundane devices like barcode handheld
> scanning devices.  Apparently, Apple's iOS based devices are just way
> to sexy for him to handle...

So which one of us was correct about the iOS review process and which
one wasn't?

[Nashton]

;)

[Nashton]

On 12-01-29 4:54 PM, KDT wrote:
> On Jan 29, 1:39 pm, Nashton<n...@na.ca> wrote:
>>> I'm sure now it will be a raging success just like the QNX based
>>> Blackberry OS right?
>>
>> WTF does blackberry or QNX have anything to do with a woman running HP?
>
> Flint went on for months saying how great QNX was and how successful
> it would be.

And you went on for a few days (until you realized your monumental
blunder and had a steaming bowl of STFU, and you're very prone to that,
BTW) about how the CEO of HP said anything about iPads being computers.

LOL

>> 1. More popular and successful than anything you'll do in your puny
>> little existence.
>
> I can confidently say that software I wrote will be used by more
> people than WebOS over the next year......

Where can we get WebOS now?

>
>
>> 2. Are you saying QNX was a failure or that RIM is a failure?
>>
>
> I guess the CEOs of RIM stepped down because of their raging success
> over the past few years....especially the Playbook and all of those
> QNX based phones they've delivered.....

You've never heard of CEOs being replaced in publicly traded companies?
Boy, you really need to get out more often.
And since when has the metric of market share become telling about the a
product and why should anyone use it as being proportional to success of
a company?

Isn't the Mac stuck at 5% world wide? Is Apple an unsuccessful company?
More importantly, are Macs not good value for the money as a result of
this failure of Apple to boost its market share?

You see, you first need to define what success means to *you* (it
doesn't mean the same thing to everybody) and what it has to do with the
quality/usability of a product.

>
>
>> Was the MacOS a failure when it barely had 3% market share? Is Bentley a
>> failure because it only enjoys minuscule market share?
>>
>
> Mac sales are increasing and the division is becoming more profitable
> every year. Can you say the same about RIM?

It sure is. But not at a rate that will overtake any of its competitors
any time soon,or in the medium or long term for that matter.

And why are you sooo obsessed with RIM? Do you feel threatened by them?

>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> So which phone manufacturer do you think will use WebOS in the next
>>> year?
>
> I see you didn't answer that.....

Why should he? And who cares?

[KDT]

On Jan 30, 7:22 am, Nashton <n...@na.ca> wrote:
> And you went on for a few days (until you realized your monumental
> blunder and had a steaming bowl of STFU, and you're very prone to that,
> BTW) about how the CEO of HP said anything about iPads being computers.

Only to you....

>
> LOL
>
> >> 1. More popular and successful than anything you'll do in your puny
> >> little existence.
>
> > I can confidently say that software I wrote will be used by more
> > people than WebOS over the next year......
>
> Where can we get WebOS now?

Hardly anywhere, exactly my point.....

> You've never heard of CEOs being replaced in publicly traded companies?

So now you think RIM is doing well with decreasing sales, plumetting
income, revenue, and stock prices

> Boy, you really need to get out more often.
> And since when has the metric of market share become telling about the a
> product and why should anyone use it as being proportional to success of
> a company?

It's not just market share (which is declining), it's also profit,
revenue, stock price, public perception.

By which metric is RIM doing well?

>
> Isn't the Mac stuck at 5% world wide? Is Apple an unsuccessful company?

Yes, Apple is successful. How is RIMs profit growth? stock price?
Revenue?

> More importantly, are Macs not good value for the money as a result of
> this failure of Apple to boost its market share?

Macs wouldn't be a good value if they were still running an antiquated
OS that was behind all of its competitors.

This is the same company that can't even get email and calendaring
working on their tablet....

>
> You see, you first need to define what success means to *you* (it
> doesn't mean the same thing to everybody) and what it has to do with the
> quality/usability of a product.
>

A publically traded company "success" is defined by "increasing
shareholder value". Has RIM done that? For a profit driven company
increasing profit is the definition of success? How is RIM doing?
Success can even be defined as increasing volume. How is RIM doing?

>
>
> >> Was the MacOS a failure when it barely had 3% market share? Is Bentley a
> >> failure because it only enjoys minuscule market share?
>
> > Mac sales are increasing and the division is becoming more profitable
> > every year.  Can you say the same about RIM?
>
> It sure is. But not at a rate that will overtake any of its competitors
> any time soon,or in the medium or long term for that matter.

You think RIM sales are increasing? You really think that RIM will
overtake either Apple or Android?

> >>> So which phone manufacturer do you think will use WebOS in the next
> >>> year?
>
> > I see you didn't answer that.....
>
> Why should he? And who cares?

If he thinks that WebOS will be a success, how do you measure success
if no one is using the product?

[Flint]

:sigh: To sastisfy your need to be 'right', I concede you were right
and I was wrong about that. I still think they ripped off the
wireless sync app idea and the developer's icon and I'm right about that.

Your special pleading argument defending Apple on this one still
doesn't wash. If Apple can sue because someone uses a generic form
factor, geometric shape, cosmetic /color finishes as though these
fundamentals are patently theirs, then combining a wifi logo
(fundamental #1) with the active sync logo(fundamnetal #2) is stealing
the developer's icon under a compilation copyright.

--
MFB

[Flint]

Until Microsoft recently announced them as the 5th official Win8
hardware partner, I would have said Asus. However, there is some
speculation that Samsung may be interested in merging elements of
WebOS with Bada.

Motorola is obviously out of the question, but Amazon, HTC, Samsung,
and smaller players like Coby may still be interested.

We shall see, I suppose.

--
MFB

[Redjak]

"KDT" wrote in message
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In all honesty, either you didn't comprehend, or your nothing more
than a plain liar. And you can keep repeating your erroneous
statement until you're blue in the face and it won't change the fact;
"she never said that".

Now why not run along and start a new inaccurate thread?

[KDT]

*I* didn't say that Apple could "take the leadership position" from
HP...the CEO of HP did....

"Yes. I think it’s possible if you integrate tablets. Apple does a

great job. We need to improve our game and our products to take over
the leadership position. Apple could go past HP in 2012. "

She included (i.e. "integrated" tablets) in her analysis....not
"toasters".

[Redjak]

"KDT" wrote in message
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Gee - are you really that stupid? That's not what we're discussing!

>"Yes. I think it’s possible if you integrate tablets. Apple does a
>great job. We need to improve our game and our products to take over
>the leadership position. Apple could go past HP in 2012. "

Operative words: "I think", "possible", "if", "could". And again -
nothing to do with the discussion.

>She included (i.e. "integrated" tablets) in her analysis....not
>"toasters".

Has nothing to do with the discussion.

Were you dropped on your head as a child? Did your parents try
unsuccessfully to smother you as a child? Did you receive a heavy
blow to your skull? Did you experiment too many times with bad drugs?

It's no wonder you can't hold a real job.

You're starting to bore me into a coma.

So - END

[KDT]

You seem to be getting awfully worked up about a topic that you could
care less about....