Also, I'd like to solicit ideas/nominations for other awards like these, and
for some game awards for 1997 (ex: who will win the Outpost Award?). I'll be
doing a game awards post whenever I get around to it. I might also do a
second set of award if I have some more ideas.
007 Award: For aggressive use of a killfile: Salt. Old Salt. While many
people make use of a killfile to increase enjoyment of their own online
experience, Old Salt not only makes use of one, but gives frequent
announcements of who has been added to his killfile. It is estimated that by
the year 2000, 75% of the Western World will be in Old Salt's killfile. It
is rumored that the US Census will be cross-checked with Salt's killfile for
completeness.
Clinton Waffle Award: For biggest reversal of position: Mark Asher. At the
beginning of the year, Mark was one of the biggest Derek Smart detractors.
He incited Derek to threaten him with a cease and desist order, and prompted
the 'why don't you go jerk off Mark Asher' line. Now he is a strong
anti-BC3K thread demonstrator, railing against the continuation of the BC3K
online game. Will he succeed in eliminating the subject line BC3K? Will he
return to Derek flaming? Will he get tired of the whole thing? Only time
will tell.
No Pants Award: For most use of references to not wearing pants: Riboflavin
(tm). No further explanation needed. Film at 11.
Reversed Response Reward (OK, so I like alliteration): For strangest
responses to criticism: Steve 'Red' Bauman. Steve tends to respond with
heavy sarcasm and an extremely defensive posture to polite questions, but
carries on polite discourse with Critical Bill, one of the most vocal
critics of magazines everywhere. Why? The world wonders.
Muckraker award: For exposing corruption in areas most are not that
concerned with: Critical Bill. Critical Bill is occasionally a bit on the
nutty side of life, but points out some rather interesting problems with
game magazines. The most humorous was when he mentioned journalistic ethics
(in regards to one reviewer getting a free plane ride for a game he reviewed
and another writing a review and a strat guide for a game) and the game
journalists had no idea what he was talking about.
Plutonium Atom Totality award: For kookiest science: Cleve 'McCarthy'
Blakemore, with his exquisite theories. Testosterone is responsible for all
noble characteristics, and estrogen compels people to reside in strict
hierarchies and follow group standards. A single use of any drug permanently
destroys massive parts of your intellect. Squatting and sitting under blue
lights helps you gain muscle mass. Cleve definitely is not made
uncomfortable by other people, they are made uncomfortable by him.
Kafka Award: biggest kook: Derek "Popeye" Smart. Let's face it, the guy's
nuts. 8 years and $3.5 million on a game that doesn't work? "Smarter than
you can possibly imagine"? Center of the longest running flamewar in the NG?
Need I say more? Well, I am what I am and I know who I am and those who know
me know that Derek received stiff competition from Cleve 'Testosterone'
Blakemare, but Cleve lacks the volume and legions of supporters and
detractors which Derek has. Cleve's interesting science did, however, when
the Plutonium Atom Totality award.
Don Quixote Award: For most bizarre assault on an obscure cause: Eric
Dysband. The famous shareware debate on Space Empires 3, in which Eric
crusaded against people using the software in a manner explicitly condoned
by the publisher, will live in the annals of goofiness forever. Eric in fact
appeared to be making a play for the 007 award during this thread,
killfiling any voices of dissent, but comes nowhere near Old Salt in sheer
killfiling frenzy.
Johnny Cochraine Award: For most bizarre defense of a bad design decision:
Helmet of AOE fame. For all of the brain dead AI and interface issues,
Helmet had a response. Villagers stop and get eaten by lions? Well, you'd
freeze in fright if you saw a lion too! Guys can't walk through a hole in
the wall? You try storming a breach in a wall! Richard Wesson was a close
runner up, with answer to your catapults killing your horsemen even though
you've told them not to shoot. Well, those horsemen are arrogant and stuck
up, and pissed off the catapult guys. Willy also ran close, claiming that
anyone who didn't like the game only didn't like it because it was from MS.
--
Kevin Allegood ri...@mindspring.com
"THE LOVE OF JESUS, INSCRUTABLE LOGIC ENGINE" - MegaHal
snip
>
>Clinton Waffle Award: For biggest reversal of position: Mark Asher. At the
>beginning of the year, Mark was one of the biggest Derek Smart detractors.
>He incited Derek to threaten him with a cease and desist order, and prompted
>the 'why don't you go jerk off Mark Asher' line. Now he is a strong
>anti-BC3K thread demonstrator, railing against the continuation of the BC3K
>online game. Will he succeed in eliminating the subject line BC3K? Will he
>return to Derek flaming? Will he get tired of the whole thing? Only time
>will tell.
Ha ha -- well, I just got tired of it. You ever see any reruns of "All
in the Family"? Just not funny anymore, though I remember enjoying
them as a kid. There's a time for everything, and Derek Smart bashing
has seen its better days, at least until the release of BC3K 2.5 or
whatever that will be called.
Time to move on.
Mark Asher
Ribo, this is by far the funniest stuff I've ever read. Especially the
Cochrane award above. Unbelievable.
Lets hope 98 brings as much interesting shit as last year.
-------
Kman
"The cat's raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhh outta the bag!"
The 007 award is funny as hell, too. And as you can see, Old Salt is
starting the new year out as strong as ever- he's in a heated
killfile discussion with some guy named Joe, and has already put Kajun
in his killfile (based on request-haha, thats great, man!).
Yo, and its not even 24hours into 98 yet!
Wooo!
Let's start this party out with a bang!!
Mark Asher wrote in message <34abf1a3....@news.primary.net>...
>Ha ha -- well, I just got tired of it. You ever see any reruns of "All
>in the Family"? Just not funny anymore, though I remember enjoying
>them as a kid.
Are you saying that my posts are as funny as 'All in the Family'? Them's
fightin' words roun' these here parts.
>There's a time for everything, and Derek Smart bashing
>has seen its better days, at least until the release of BC3K 2.5 or
>whatever that will be called.
Heh... can't resist a little jab still, huh? It's going to be 2.0, and
should be finished in time for Christmas. Derek has been posting to the
bc3000ad newsgroup but not here for the last little bit, so maybe he's
gotten a clue and the flamewar will end. I won't be holding my breath,
though.
>Time to move on.
Well, what I thought was funny was not that you moved on, which many have
done, but that you stopped posting and now complain about the threads pretty
often. It's that complete switch that got me.
So what do I get? A statue? A lifetime supply of Velveeta? The complete
"Doogie Howser, MD" collection on beta?
I'd prefer cash.
--
--------------------------------
steve bauman - sba...@cdmag.com
editor - computer games strategy plus | www.cdmag.com
"My life is a patio of fun."
-Zippy the Pinhead
steve b./cg splus wrote in message ...
>Riboflavin enlightened the world with this pearl of wisdom...
>>Reversed Response Reward (OK, so I like alliteration): For strangest
>>responses to criticism: Steve 'Red' Bauman. Steve tends to respond with
>>heavy sarcasm and an extremely defensive posture to polite questions, but
>>carries on polite discourse with Critical Bill, one of the most vocal
>>critics of magazines everywhere. Why? The world wonders.
>
>So what do I get? A statue? A lifetime supply of Velveeta? The complete
>"Doogie Howser, MD" collection on beta?
>
>I'd prefer cash.
Hmmm...what does a can of Spam go for these days? <eg> By the time he
subtracted postage and taxes, you might owe Riboflavin some cash.
JMA
Jeff Vitous wrote in message <68hboc$28s$1...@hirame.wwa.com>...
Well, Bauman loves paying taxes, that Commie dog. I bet he reverse cheats on
his taxes so he gives MORE money to the evil New Communist World Communist
Order of Communists.
>
>
>
>Mark Asher wrote in message <34abf1a3....@news.primary.net>...
>>Ha ha -- well, I just got tired of it. You ever see any reruns of "All
>>in the Family"? Just not funny anymore, though I remember enjoying
>>them as a kid.
>
>Are you saying that my posts are as funny as 'All in the Family'? Them's
>fightin' words roun' these here parts.
Well, I enjoyed this post of yours. I haven't paid attention to the
BC3K threads though, so perhaps I missed some good posts of yours
there.
snip
>Well, what I thought was funny was not that you moved on, which many have
>done, but that you stopped posting and now complain about the threads pretty
>often. It's that complete switch that got me.
Have I complained about them often? I hadn't realized that I had.
At least the BC3K posters should be polite enough to put "BC3K" in
every thread heading so as to make killfiles work better. If they want
to title something "Cattle Brusier" at least slip in BC3K also.
Mark Asher
Hahaha..yeah, just read the whole story...well, you have to admit if
anything he's consistent.
>Muckraker award: For exposing corruption in areas most are not that
>concerned with: Critical Bill.
Now where will I hang my statuette? I appreciate the award and I
hereby promise to redouble my muckracking in the new year.
Can't have anyone stealing my award.
Repeat, repeat, repeat!!!
-
Exclusive Nippolena Interview!! http://www.pathcom.com/~kenl/interview.htm
The Ingrown Toenail Award: for you and everyone who responded to this post
(yippie, I get an award!). Does anyone who has even the hint of a life give a
rat's ass about Derek Smart's pathetic attempts at self-aggrandizement or Old
Salt's killfile? :-)
--Kevin
Riboflavin wrote:
> Well, as the new year begins, it's time to take a look back at the most
> interesting people of 1997. Here are the winners of the coveted 1997
> Allegood Awards for comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.strategic. (these are in the form
> of award name:explanation of award:winner and details)
>
> Also, I'd like to solicit ideas/nominations for other awards like these, and
> for some game awards for 1997 (ex: who will win the Outpost Award?). I'll be
> doing a game awards post whenever I get around to it. I might also do a
> second set of award if I have some more ideas.
>
> 007 Award: For aggressive use of a killfile: Salt. Old Salt. While many
> people make use of a killfile to increase enjoyment of their own online
> experience, Old Salt not only makes use of one, but gives frequent
> announcements of who has been added to his killfile. It is estimated that by
> the year 2000, 75% of the Western World will be in Old Salt's killfile. It
> is rumored that the US Census will be cross-checked with Salt's killfile for
> completeness.
>
> Clinton Waffle Award: For biggest reversal of position: Mark Asher. At the
> beginning of the year, Mark was one of the biggest Derek Smart detractors.
> He incited Derek to threaten him with a cease and desist order, and prompted
> the 'why don't you go jerk off Mark Asher' line. Now he is a strong
> anti-BC3K thread demonstrator, railing against the continuation of the BC3K
> online game. Will he succeed in eliminating the subject line BC3K? Will he
> return to Derek flaming? Will he get tired of the whole thing? Only time
> will tell.
>
> No Pants Award: For most use of references to not wearing pants: Riboflavin
> (tm). No further explanation needed. Film at 11.
>
> Reversed Response Reward (OK, so I like alliteration): For strangest
> responses to criticism: Steve 'Red' Bauman. Steve tends to respond with
> heavy sarcasm and an extremely defensive posture to polite questions, but
> carries on polite discourse with Critical Bill, one of the most vocal
> critics of magazines everywhere. Why? The world wonders.
>
> Muckraker award: For exposing corruption in areas most are not that
> Johnny Cochraine Award: For most bizarre defense of a bad design decision:
> Helmet of AOE fame. For all of the brain dead AI and interface issues,
> Helmet had a response. Villagers stop and get eaten by lions? Well, you'd
> freeze in fright if you saw a lion too! Guys can't walk through a hole in
> the wall? You try storming a breach in a wall! Richard Wesson was a close
> runner up, with answer to your catapults killing your horsemen even though
> you've told them not to shoot. Well, those horsemen are arrogant and stuck
> up, and pissed off the catapult guys. Willy also ran close, claiming that
> anyone who didn't like the game only didn't like it because it was from MS.
[from the header]
From: old....@att.net-Don't e-mail me if you post. (Old Salt)
That reminds me everyone, don't forget to e-mail a carbon copy of your
posts to Old Salt.
--
Micheal (Chris) Keane - Political Science - University of Washington
Associate Professor of Gravitational Morality - University of Ediacara
Join the Church of Last Thursday and worship Queen Maeve!
http://weber.u.washington.edu/~aexia/thursday.htm
You get a working version of Battle Cruiser 3000 AD. Derek will be sending
your copy along to your real soon now along with the bug-free version of
Outpost.
:#Plonk!
Tell me why is it necessary that you post that you are going to killfile
someone? Aren't you just adding to the number of posts that you said is
flooding this group?
--
==============================ji...@hawaii.edu===============================
> BTW, people get a clue my HD is mine to with as I see fit. If
>I don't wish your posts on it, I don't have to have them there.
>
>Plonk!
That's right. It's his party and he can cry if he wants to....da...da....da...da...da....
-Krud :)
Like most open minded and easy-to-get-along intelligent persons, I
jumped on OS for his self-appointed censorship, and knew he was trouble
simply by the passion and typical closed-mindedness of his attitude and
responses to posters and myself. Note the pompousness of his post here,
he really is quite full of himself (and whether thats full of salt or
shit I do not know). Perhaps he was a tele-evangilist at one time. It's
unquestionable OS has went to the Derek Smart School of Charm, or he's
at least friends with Rod White of PC&ME magazine, another blowhard of
epic proportions.
Oh well, Old Salt, you don't intimidate me in anyway enough to put you
in a kill file (unlike you, you woos), I enjoy looking for and reading
your posts for entertainment purposes and watching you ostrasise
yourself from others, and of course to console the newbies to this
Newsgroup you try to intimidate and control, to let them know they're
welcome here and to pay no attention to you, unless your providing tips
to a game (which I'll give you your very good at).
Happy New Year to you Old Salt, I hope for your New Year's Resolution
you promised yourself you'd try to pull that stick outta your ass and be
a little more open minded this coming year.
Cheers,
Grundman
Old Salt wrote:
>
> On Thu, 01 Jan 1998 21:38:44 GMT, bub...@apkspam.net (Kman) decided to
> post words that all would read on, Re: 1997
> comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.strategic Awards ceremony lets see if they are
> worth reading. :
>
> >The 007 award is funny as hell, too. And as you can see, Old Salt is
> >starting the new year out as strong as ever- he's in a heated
> >killfile discussion with some guy named Joe, and has already put Kajun
> >in his killfile (based on request-haha, thats great, man!).
> >
> >Yo, and its not even 24hours into 98 yet!
> >
> >Wooo!
> >
> >Let's start this party out with a bang!!
> >
>
> Gee, I would not want you to be left out. BTW, I hope your
> little group had fun in this NG with its disruptions. You may go on
> if you wish, but I will not see it any longer.
Oh bullshit OS, you think it is some kind of bragging rights and in some
weird way makes you look cool, mistakenly so.
Old wind bag, whats it like to be hated by so many nice people? Can't
you stop for even one second and be honest with yourself and ask 'why'?
Grundman
Getting a little arrogant aren't you. Why would lurkers or anyone care
about your killfile? I've noticed you post *plonk* messages in threads
that have no direction mention of you and you've never posted in before why
the need for attention? Seems like you are trolling which is something I
notice that you warn posters against but you don't follow your own rules?
:#>Aren't you just adding to the number of posts that you said is
:#>flooding this group?
:# No.
Then why bother split the group if you are only adding to the number of
useless posts? You don't seem to think that your posts are increasing the
traffic while seem to think other posts are increasing the noise ratio on
this group.
Well Old Salt it seems like you've replaced DS as the person to dislike in
this newsgroup. Hope you enjoy the infamy you earned in this newsgroup.
Btw, Old Salt does this thread constitute a flame war according to your
definition?
--
==============================ji...@hawaii.edu===============================
> Very simple, so the lurkers here know why I no longer reply to
> them.
Bahahaha! That's so much better than my idea: simply ignore them.
> >Aren't you just adding to the number of posts that you said is
> >flooding this group?
> No.
This is the same guy that started a huge thread by posting his
"Troll-o-meter" in reply to some poor shmuck who wanted to know
how other new fathers found time to game. Left alone, this thread
might have generated 5-10 posts. After Salt was through, there had
to be over 50.
Hey Salt, can you look up "irony" in your American Heritage Dictionary.
/bruce
P.S. Can anyone figure out how someone who spells so badly manages to
find anything in a dictionary? :^}
--
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* bre...@interlog.com *
* *
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>Old Salt (old....@att.net-Don'te-mailmeifyoupost.) wrote:
>:# No it is fun reading post from people who are not clueless
>:#twits.
>:#Plonk!
>Tell me why is it necessary that you post that you are going to killfile
>someone? Aren't you just adding to the number of posts that you said is
>flooding this group?
It's obvious that he was trying for the Coveted 1997 Allegood 007 Award
long before it was even invented. If he killfiled people silently, no
one would know he deserved the award, now would they? :-)
Gary
>Old Salt (old....@att.net-Don'te-mailmeifyoupost.) wrote:
>:# Very simple, so the lurkers here know why I no longer reply to
>:#them.
>
>Getting a little arrogant aren't you. Why would lurkers or anyone care
>about your killfile? I've noticed you post *plonk* messages in threads
>that have no direction mention of you and you've never posted in before why
>the need for attention?
Simple, because he's a Crotchedy Old Fart...
> Gee, I would not want you to be left out. BTW, I hope your
>little group had fun in this NG with its disruptions. You may go on
>if you wish, but I will not see it any longer.
>
> BTW, people get a clue my HD is mine to with as I see fit. If
>I don't wish your posts on it, I don't have to have them there.
>
Gee, he really is a Crotchedy Old Fart...
Old Salt wants everyone to believe he is laying out his killfile over
everyone, but he doesn't at all. He likes attention, his pitiful life
warrents it.
Um, if you're plonking lurkers, why are the lurkers posting in the
first place? I thought lurkers lurk and don't talk much.
:
: >Aren't you just adding to the number of posts that you said is
: >flooding this group?
:
: No.
Er, no why?:
>Old Salt wants everyone to believe he is laying out his killfile over
>everyone, but he doesn't at all.
No joke, I've been killfiled 3-4 times. Interesting. :>
Man, it's almost like having multiple personalities.
JMA
--
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Support the anti-Old.Salt amendment!
Join at http://wwww.old-fart.org/ ;-)
And remember, there is a difference between "your" (possesive)
and "you're" (contraction).
>Well, as the new year begins, it's time to take a look back at the most
>interesting people of 1997. Here are the winners of the coveted 1997
>Allegood Awards for comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.strategic. (these are in the form
>of award name:explanation of award:winner and details)
Hehe. An absolute riot. Love it !
---------------------------------------------------
Sean Tudor
Sydney, Australia
---------------------------------------------------
This is my cannon, this is my gun
One is for bandits, and one is for fun
---------------------------------------------------
vicious at magna dot com dot au
>The 007 award is funny as hell, too. And as you can see, Old Salt is
>starting the new year out as strong as ever- he's in a heated
>killfile discussion with some guy named Joe, and has already put Kajun
>in his killfile (based on request-haha, thats great, man!).
>Yo, and its not even 24hours into 98 yet!
>Wooo!
>Let's start this party out with a bang!!
What continually amazes me is that Old Salt rails against people
posting off-topic messages and trolls and yet I don't think I have
ever seen the guy post a message about an actual game !
Sgt. Stryker
USAF
Not given to bouts of scurvy
> Then you don't read the posts on the games I like.
Touché !
Just out of interest - just what games do you like ? I believe
historical wargames is an obvious one.
------------------------
Sean Tudor
Sydney, Australia
------------------------
This is my cannon, this is my gun
One is for bandits, and one is for fun
------------------------
>On Thu, 01 Jan 1998 21:38:44 GMT, bub...@apkspam.net (Kman) decided to
>post words that all would read on, Re: 1997
>comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.strategic Awards ceremony lets see if they are
>worth reading. :
>
>>The 007 award is funny as hell, too. And as you can see, Old Salt is
>>starting the new year out as strong as ever- he's in a heated
>>killfile discussion with some guy named Joe, and has already put Kajun
>>in his killfile (based on request-haha, thats great, man!).
>>
>>Yo, and its not even 24hours into 98 yet!
>>
>>Wooo!
>>
>>Let's start this party out with a bang!!
>>
>
> Gee, I would not want you to be left out. BTW, I hope your
>little group had fun in this NG with its disruptions. You may go on
>if you wish, but I will not see it any longer.
>
> BTW, people get a clue my HD is mine to with as I see fit. If
>I don't wish your posts on it, I don't have to have them there.
>
>Plonk!
Uhm this is spam, keep quiet old fart.
On Thu, 1 Jan 1998 13:46:09 -0500, "Riboflavin" <ri...@mindspring.com>
wrote:
>Well, as the new year begins, it's time to take a look back at the most
>interesting people of 1997. Here are the winners of the coveted 1997
>Allegood Awards for comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.strategic. (these are in the form
>of award name:explanation of award:winner and details)
>
>On Fri, 02 Jan 1998 12:03:00 -0800, Grundman <da...@iswest.net> decided
>to post words that all would read on, Re: 1997
>comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.strategic Awards ceremony lets see if they are
>worth reading. :
>
>>Old Salt wrote:
>>s.
>>> >
>>> >:#Plonk!
>>> >
>>> >Tell me why is it necessary that you post that you are going to killfile
>>> >someone?
>>>
>>> Very simple, so the lurkers here know why I no longer reply to
>>> them.
>>
As if a Lurker would be one of the ones killfiled? HAH! you only
killfile anyone who doenst agree with you.
I'll make it easy for you, I hereby give you permission to killfile me
and NOT let me know about it, since I am assuming the worse.
>>Oh bullshit OS, you think it is some kind of bragging rights and in some
>>weird way makes you look cool, mistakenly so.
>
> I told you why, if you don't wish to believe it an make up
>your own reason why I do something then do so. What you think or a few
>others here means nothing to me. Never worried what others think
>Sure as hell not going to start now.
He's just a crusty old fart, probably still thinks the wrld is flat.
Actually, killing people silently is what 007 is famous for.
Mayby it sohuld the the Arnold Award for kill filing the most people
and letting the know it.
James Dusek
> Like most open minded and easy-to-get-along intelligent persons, I
> jumped on OS for his self-appointed censorship, and knew he was trouble
> simply by the passion and typical closed-mindedness of his attitude and
> responses to posters and myself. Note the pompousness of his post here,
> he really is quite full of himself (and whether thats full of salt or
Now now now, lets not pick on Old Salt. While the defination
of by-the-book features a picture of Old Salt, I wouldn't go as far
as comdemming him because of it. He knows whats right and whats wrong,
and while the rest of us will lets things slide, we cannot force him
to be like us. He is free to roam the net like everybody else.
James Dusek
I bet he even killfiled himself.
se...@mindspring.com wrote in message <6ab41l$g...@camel21.mindspring.com>...
>"Riboflavin" <ri...@mindspring.com> wrotf:
> How come I didn't get an award???
>
> Is it a race thing???
Yes, you lost the race for awards.
Anyway, those awards were an idea I had off of the top of my head. The 1998
awards will be more inclusive, unless I abandon the project midyear.
--
Kevin Allegood ri...@mindspring.com
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