### FASHION by LOGIC DESIGN - WINNER OF X96 DEMO COMPO AVAILABLE ###
R. Eijkelhof
yups... it's finally there... Fashion - by Logic Design !!!!!
winner of X96 demo compo... go get it (fashion.arj & fashion.a01)
at ftp.cdrom.com or 145.24.134.134 (or talk to me at irc, #logicd)
mazzel...
Jace / Logic Design
"cut 'em open, shed their blood.
rip off their limbs, one by one.
slice their head off, and kick it away.
may no tp5 organizer live another day."
"en x96 ruleerde WEL"
pagefault
: yups... it's finally there... Fashion - by Logic Design !!!!!
: winner of X96 demo compo... go get it (fashion.arj & fashion.a01)
: at ftp.cdrom.com or 145.24.134.134 (or talk to me at irc, #logicd)
Why do so many demos have porn in them? I've been wondering, because
great demos can't be used for display purposes in the general public (due
to offending people).
I was extremely impressed with the demo until that part came up, which
mean many people I know I can't show it to.
c'ya
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Niklas Beisert
>
>winner of X96 demo compo... go get it (fashion.arj & fashion.a01)
>at ftp.cdrom.com or 145.24.134.134 (or talk to me at irc, #logicd)
and don't forget the second place at symposium 96!!!! ;-]
cu
Niklas / pascal / cubic team
christophe yvon
dare...@enterprise.america.com (pagefault) wrote:
->R. Eijkelhof (eyke...@sci.kun.nl) wrote:
->: yups... it's finally there... Fashion - by Logic Design !!!!!
->: winner of X96 demo compo... go get it (fashion.arj & fashion.a01)
->: at ftp.cdrom.com or 145.24.134.134 (or talk to me at irc, #logicd)
->
->Why do so many demos have porn in them? I've been wondering, because
->great demos can't be used for display purposes in the general public (due
->to offending people).
->
->I was extremely impressed with the demo until that part came up, which
->mean many people I know I can't show it to.
european mind is much more liberal than US one that's why I guess.
Especially in holland :-)
gandalf/pulse
Mr.P
(pagefault)");
>R. Eijkelhof (eyke...@sci.kun.nl) wrote:
>: yups... it's finally there... Fashion - by Logic Design !!!!!
Quite simple.
Humans are sexual beasts [don't we all know that :)]... whenever
something that has something to do with reproduction appears, it is
immediately popular.
Try to explain the phenomenal success of "Playboy" differently.
So, demo groups put porn in their routines to show off the graphics
artist abilities [Stars/Nooon and the impossible woman :)], and
generally gain more support. [I have seen 3 demos already, not
counting this one, with porn someplace in the middle, and another 5
with no porn, but pictures of women.
Not that I have anything against it.. I don't, except when they're
just put on-screen like the art of a graphics artist, and not when
something is done with them.]
>I was extremely impressed with the demo until that part came up, which
>mean many people I know I can't show it to.
Which of course sucks. It depends on what the "porn" is, though.
Simple nudity: this ain't porn, this is ART! Why the hell do you think
whats-his-name made a naked statue of a guy and called it David?
Anything beyond: uhh, ok, this belongs in Hustler...
However, I think porn in demos should be restricted to drawings by
graphics artists [think of how incredibly tough it is to mimic proper
flesh tones in 256 colors], and then it should at least look like art,
and not weird.
[People in .nl and other places may start arguing with me on that
part, but I'm brought up with different values, and this is more
liberal than my parents :)]
Perseus Inc.
: R. Eijkelhof (eyke...@sci.kun.nl) wrote:
: I was extremely impressed with the demo until that part came up, which
: mean many people I know I can't show it to.
it was a well coded demo, too bad for the black fades avery time
but why bragging about those beautyfull women, danny draw?
amazing picture! 8)
Regards,
Frans 'Otis' Bouma,
Software Engineer Triple P Transport Systems
Manager Perseus Inc.
Manager/Composer of Dream4 Music.
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R. Eijkelhof
>R. Eijkelhof (eyke...@sci.kun.nl) wrote:
>: yups... it's finally there... Fashion - by Logic Design !!!!!
>: winner of X96 demo compo... go get it (fashion.arj & fashion.a01)
>: at ftp.cdrom.com or 145.24.134.134 (or talk to me at irc, #logicd)
>Why do so many demos have porn in them? I've been wondering, because
>great demos can't be used for display purposes in the general public (due
>to offending people).
PORN???? WHERE??? I have seen the demo *MANY MANY MANY* times during debugging
the shit, but I *NEVER* saw any porn... have you discovered some hidden part
or something?
>I was extremely impressed with the demo until that part came up, which
>mean many people I know I can't show it to.
why not? the demo contains NOTHING else than real art, and hard work of
coders, musicians and graphicians...
>c'ya
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>"That is the whole problem with being a heretic. One must usually think out everything for oneself." - Aubrey Menen
com'on, you really call the "spacetits" picture PORN??
it's just beautiful art, containing hours of work of Danny.
or are those people affraid of some tattoos or something?
I'd say you can't show them the chopped wasp coz' of
extreme violence, rather than the two tatooed women.
greetings...
R. Eijkelhof
>gandalf/pulse
gandalf! so, you can finally see the demo :-)
btw where can I get the finished version of Reve?
greetz!!! Jace/LD
Germans DM
: : yups... it's finally there... Fashion - by Logic Design !!!!!
: : winner of X96 demo compo... go get it (fashion.arj & fashion.a01)
: : at ftp.cdrom.com or 145.24.134.134 (or talk to me at irc, #logicd)
: Why do so many demos have porn in them? I've been wondering, because
: great demos can't be used for display purposes in the general public (due
: to offending people).
Porn??
You call Danny's picture porn??
Please... There is a distinct difference between art and porn, and
this picture is most certainly not porn. Ok, maybe in some countries
it could be censored because it shows breasts or something like that,
but please... This is not even close to porn.
Simm / Analogue
ri...@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
>pagefault (dare...@enterprise.america.com) wrote:
>: R. Eijkelhof (eyke...@sci.kun.nl) wrote:
>: Why do so many demos have porn in them? I've been wondering, because
>You call Danny's picture porn??
>Please... There is a distinct difference between art and porn, and
>this picture is most certainly not porn. Ok, maybe in some countries
The second picture most definitely wasn't porn. The first? Well, I've
seen plenty of fashion magazines (usually cologne or perfume ads) that
have been far, far worse.
I wouldn't call the first one porn at all, although there is a definite
sensual nature to it; I probably wouldn't classify it as art, either. I
don't see the big hang-up that Americans have about female breasts, and
why seeing a women's breasts are pornographic while seeing a man's
breasts are not.
The pictures aren't the most notable part of the demo, though. That
honor goes to the ending. Whoa! ROTFLMAO! I thought it was just
another picture...I wasn't expecting THAT. LOL, ROTFL, ROTFLMAO, :), and
just plain BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA!!!!!! Very funny.
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George Garrett
> : winner of X96 demo compo... go get it (fashion.arj & fashion.a01)
>
> to offending people).
>
> pagefault - dare...@america.com
Yeah demos should have a /RATED and /UNRATED commandline switch or something.
Although I didn't mind this picture, since it is cool, but its not like I
show these demos to my parents or anyone. Most people, (my friends at
least) who watch demos don't really mind a littly nudity here and there...
shinobu
Todd M Zimnoch
by LOGIC DE.. by ri...@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
> sensual nature to it; I probably wouldn't classify it as art, either. I
> don't see the big hang-up that Americans have about female breasts, and
> why seeing a women's breasts are pornographic while seeing a man's
> breasts are not.
I think a big hang-up people have with female breasts is that they
are sensuous. Someone would kill me if they knew I posted this:
" Perhaps that's why I'm so much into drawing... I'm a visual guy. :) ( that
might also explain why I like big tits, they are solely a visual stimulus,
hm? :) ) *slap* Oh, now I was being rude. Sorry."
- Anonymous (? - if you know, don't tell, please!)
Men's breasts... that's another story. Threesome, which I will
claim now is the demo group that has dated the most men (7 and going
strong), has considered twisting the trend in many demos to use senuous
images of women to provide appeal to a demo and use men instead. We
relized that when the point in adding images of people is solely to add
appeal to a demo that it is pornagraphic.
Kneebiter
Troy Cosson
would do is reboot my system.
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Martijn Pieterse
> great demos can't be used for display purposes in the general public (due
> to offending people).
There's allways someone offended... D'you really think people are going to
think about every thing they code to make sure it doesn't offend someone?? Man,
that picuture won the TP5 Gfx Compo!!! And that's no porn... is playboy also
porn?? no way...
> I was extremely impressed with the demo until that part came up, which
> mean many people I know I can't show it to.
They should be more open minded. There is absolutely nothing wrong with it
man!?! Just two girls showing their tits? Demos are made for the fun of it! If
I or Logic Design happen to like tits, what is wrong with it?? it doesn't hurt
anyone now does it?
is TV also a forbidden object for you? I wonder....
mzzl!
TcM / Spooon! ^ Cheese Staff
David Van Dromme alias Stormlord / WOW
Pieterse) wrote:
>> Why do so many demos have porn in them? I've been wondering, because
>> great demos can't be used for display purposes in the general public (due
>> to offending people).
Do you actually KNOW what pornography is??? Nudism is NOT
poronography, and besides: this is ART and not photography nor
pornography...
> And that's no porn... is playboy also porn?? no way...
Playboy contains beautiful ART photographs of beutiful people (in this
case women, ;-) ).. Somebody like p.e. David Hamilton took loads of
photographs of nude teenage girls, these are all very beautiful
photographs, and they are NOT childporn!
>> I was extremely impressed with the demo until that part came up, which
>> mean many people I know I can't show it to.
Jeezes, to what kind 'a prudes are you showing that to? You don't
have a TV? There's loads more of your pornography upthere!
BTW.: Martijn, this was ofcourse NOT to you 8-)
pagefault
: On Sun, 21 Apr 96 13:08:01 GMT, piet...@worldaccess.nl (Martijn
: Pieterse) wrote:
: >> Why do so many demos have porn in them? I've been wondering, because
: >> great demos can't be used for display purposes in the general public (due
: >> to offending people).
: Do you actually KNOW what pornography is??? Nudism is NOT
: poronography, and besides: this is ART and not photography nor
: pornography...
I do.
: > And that's no porn... is playboy also porn?? no way...
: Playboy contains beautiful ART photographs of beutiful people (in this
: case women, ;-) ).. Somebody like p.e. David Hamilton took loads of
: photographs of nude teenage girls, these are all very beautiful
: photographs, and they are NOT childporn!
It contains beautiful art not sold to minors (in the U.S.).
: >> I was extremely impressed with the demo until that part came up, which
: >> mean many people I know I can't show it to.
: Jeezes, to what kind 'a prudes are you showing that to? You don't
: have a TV? There's loads more of your pornography upthere!
I take back my naming it of 'pornography' and should have called it
'nudity'. Sorry.
It is illegal for minors to have Playboy in the U.S., so why should
demos be considered different? If I showed the demo to minors, I would
be breaking the law. (if the law did extend to demos).
Sorry for this terribly long thread. I just wanted a simple answer.
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pagefault
: com'on, you really call the "spacetits" picture PORN??
: or are those people affraid of some tattoos or something?
I'm sorry - I didn't refer solely to your demo. I was referring to all
demos in general. I didn't want to start a whole thread about this, but
I just wanted an answer. I found my answer (europe is more liberal), and
I apologize for taking this thread too far.
H.D.C. SYSOP
: On 17 Apr 1996, pagefault wrote:
: > : winner of X96 demo compo... go get it (fashion.arj & fashion.a01)
: >
: > great demos can't be used for display purposes in the general public (due
: > to offending people).
: >
: > mean many people I know I can't show it to.
: > pagefault - dare...@america.com
: Yeah demos should have a /RATED and /UNRATED commandline switch or something.
: Although I didn't mind this picture, since it is cool, but its not like I
: show these demos to my parents or anyone. Most people, (my friends at
: least) who watch demos don't really mind a littly nudity here and there...
: shinobu
You're showing demos to your parents? Hell of a life you have!!
Tuomas
Dag-Erling Smørgrav
>> great demos can't be used for display purposes in the general public (due
>> to offending people).
>>
>> I was extremely impressed with the demo until that part came up, which
>> mean many people I know I can't show it to.
> european mind is much more liberal than US one that's why I guess.
> Especially in holland :-)
Ouaip, les americains sont tellement coinces qu'ils peuvent meme pas voir une
meuf a poil sans crier au scandale... (et apres ca ils noient le marche avec
leurs films hollywoodiens qui comptent plus de chattes que de repliques
intelligentes. JE VEUX DES FILMS FRANCAIS! Evidemment, en Norvege, je suis un
peu mal place pour voir des films francais... Merde... Faut que je fasse un
tour a Paris un de ces jours...)
And for all you people out there who weren't paying attention in French
class, what I wrote boils down to 'yeah, americans are so uptight...'
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Martijn Pieterse
>
The demos you are watching are a product of hard work. People create things
THEY like. And a demo is a thing in which every part has it's place. Take some
parts out and it sucks. Tomorrow we can't use high speed gfx anymore, because
some ppl might faint seeing them. or doom parts are out of the question because
someone gets motion-sickness, and throws up every time he sees a demo.
We create what we like. If you don't don't download them. I don't care.
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Martijn Pieterse
Zimnoch <tz...@andrew.cmu.edu> schreef:
> Men's breasts... that's another story. Threesome, which I will
> claim now is the demo group that has dated the most men (7 and going
> strong), has considered twisting the trend in many demos to use senuous
> images of women to provide appeal to a demo and use men instead. We
> relized that when the point in adding images of people is solely to add
> appeal to a demo that it is pornagraphic.
Isn't every graphical picture in any demo inserted to add appeal? Or does
appeal _just_ mean sex-appeal??
But then again, why not give the public what it wants?
mzzl!
joost 'dynamix/dtn' jacobs
> It contains beautiful art not sold to minors (in the U.S.).
there's a party, you are a minor, yet, you were invited to that party. at
this particular party 'majors' are present. it's is very easy to get booze
through these guys. although you are not allowed to do so, you join these
people who can supply you alcoholic baveridges. the same thing with nude
magazines. i bet every or at least the majority of the 'minor' population has
seen a playboy. even in the us of a.
> I take back my naming it of 'pornography' and should have called it
> 'nudity'. Sorry.
logic design has put a lot of effort into their demo. labeling it as vulgar
pornography is really disrespectful don't you think so?
> It is illegal for minors to have Playboy in the U.S., so why should
> demos be considered different? If I showed the demo to minors, I would
> be breaking the law. (if the law did extend to demos).
demos are international. an american coder would think twice.
> Sorry for this terribly long thread. I just wanted a simple answer.
imho we can drop this thread. fashion by logic design is a fine demo which
contains nudity, but you must NOT forget that it's art and not a magazine on
which you can toss off.
.
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dennis courtney
: Why do so many demos have porn in them? I've been wondering, because
: to offending people).
ehrm.. well.. personally i think it fitted stylistically with the rest of
the demo.. and.. well.. who wants to see a great demo used for "display
purposes"? I'm sick of seeing second reality at computer shows.. perhaps
more of your "porn" in these demos would keep the scene and commercial
dumbasses separate :)
: I was extremely impressed with the demo until that part came up, which
: mean many people I know I can't show it to.
well.. art is art.. the same people who you couldn't show the demo to are
probably the types who can't see half of the best movies out there
because of such "moral" concerns..
it would be interesting if an american group created a demo about drug
dealing and gang shootings... europe is wisely less permissive when it
comes to violence, similar to our nation's hangup with sensuality (minus
the wisely part of course)
interesting to see the cultural contrast here.
dennis courtney
dennis courtney
: And for all you people out there who weren't paying attention in French
: class, what I wrote boils down to 'yeah, americans are so uptight...'
yeps
the uptightness gets to a point where the average american feels more
comfortable seeing 10000 lives end violently on screen than one life
being conceived... if looked at this way it's strange isn't it
dennis courtney
ri...@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
dennis courtney <den...@community.net> wrote:
>the uptightness gets to a point where the average american feels more
>comfortable seeing 10000 lives end violently on screen than one life
>being conceived... if looked at this way it's strange isn't it
Dude, you have just hit the nail on the head!
Beautiful...so true...
...I think I'm going to frame this post... :)
Francois Baligant
>: Although I didn't mind this picture, since it is cool, but its not like I
>: show these demos to my parents or anyone. Most people, (my friends at
>: least) who watch demos don't really mind a littly nudity here and there...
>: shinobu
>You're showing demos to your parents? Hell of a life you have!!
I don't understand your point...What's wrong with that?
Do you think it's sometime good to show them what you
got interest in sometime? My Dad's job once a time
was programmer and he really likes to see some
"on the edge" demos sometime.. We look at the eye
of our familly like "Geek" enough like this..
(he.. we stay hours in front of screen with strange
english words and sometime we do jumps all over the
place screaming "It works! It works!" ;)
But i don't know your parents personnaly so maybe
they won't like them etc but you can generalize
to everybody imho...
with respect, aCceSs
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pagefault
: George Garrett (shi...@columbia.edu) wrote:
: : On 17 Apr 1996, pagefault wrote:
: : > : winner of X96 demo compo... go get it (fashion.arj & fashion.a01)
: : >
: : > to offending people).
: : > I was extremely impressed with the demo until that part came up, which
: : > pagefault - dare...@america.com
: : Yeah demos should have a /RATED and /UNRATED commandline switch or something.
: : Although I didn't mind this picture, since it is cool, but its not like I
: : show these demos to my parents or anyone. Most people, (my friends at
: : least) who watch demos don't really mind a littly nudity here and there...
: : shinobu
: You're showing demos to your parents? Hell of a life you have!!
Did you ever consider that maybe, possibly, I might think something is
really neat? My dad owns a computer store, so I guess maybe he might
know a little about computers...
Whatever.
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pagefault
: >> Why do so many demos have porn in them? I've been wondering, because
: >> great demos can't be used for display purposes in the general public (due
: >> to offending people).
: >>
: >> I was extremely impressed with the demo until that part came up, which
: >> mean many people I know I can't show it to.
: > european mind is much more liberal than US one that's why I guess.
: > Especially in holland :-)
: Ouaip, les americains sont tellement coinces qu'ils peuvent meme pas voir une
: meuf a poil sans crier au scandale... (et apres ca ils noient le marche avec
: leurs films hollywoodiens qui comptent plus de chattes que de repliques
: intelligentes. JE VEUX DES FILMS FRANCAIS! Evidemment, en Norvege, je suis un
: peu mal place pour voir des films francais... Merde... Faut que je fasse un
: tour a Paris un de ces jours...)
: And for all you people out there who weren't paying attention in French
: class, what I wrote boils down to 'yeah, americans are so uptight...'
Je ne parle bien francais. I'll reply in English... Americans do have a
problem... Everything is so restricted. Big brother syndrome. But, why
in Germany can minors drink and why in Amsterdam is cannibis legal? It's
the country's traditions. For a country trying to escape totalarianism
such as the old English kingdoms, there sure seems to be a lot of it
going on.
Demos are European in origin, so I suppose certain elements are bound to
exist. I shouldn't have questioned people's own morals & beliefs:
Everybody's are different.
Au revoir.
Mr.P / Powersource
(Dag-Erling Smørgrav)");
>>> Why do so many demos have porn in them? I've been wondering, because
>>> great demos can't be used for display purposes in the general public (due
>>> to offending people).
>>> I was extremely impressed with the demo until that part came up, which
>>> mean many people I know I can't show it to.
>> european mind is much more liberal than US one that's why I guess.
>> Especially in holland :-)
>Ouaip, les americains sont tellement coinces qu'ils peuvent meme pas voir une
>meuf a poil sans crier au scandale... (et apres ca ils noient le marche avec
>leurs films hollywoodiens qui comptent plus de chattes que de repliques
>intelligentes. JE VEUX DES FILMS FRANCAIS! Evidemment, en Norvege, je suis un
>peu mal place pour voir des films francais... Merde... Faut que je fasse un
>tour a Paris un de ces jours...)
Lets see.
"Yes, the Americans are <something> convinced that they can't see
<something> without a cry of scandal...(and after that they will
marche against Hollywood films which count a lot of female cats which
reply intelligently.) I WANT FRENCH FILMS! Evidently, in Norway, I am
in a bad place to see French filmes...damn...I should visit Paris one
of these days."
>And for all you people out there who weren't paying attention in French
>class, what I wrote boils down to 'yeah, americans are so uptight...'
Just the people who want to stop their kids from seeing porn on the
net by banning free speech.
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Kurt Haegeman
: yups... it's finally there... Fashion - by Logic Design !!!!!
: winner of X96 demo compo... go get it (fashion.arj & fashion.a01)
: at ftp.cdrom.com or 145.24.134.134 (or talk to me at irc, #logicd)
Seen it, and, sure as hell, loved it a lot! Congratulations.
Little country, but great demo's!
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Vanessa Menendez Covelo
> I'm sorry - I didn't refer solely to your demo. I was referring to all
> demos in general. I didn't want to start a whole thread about this, but
> I just wanted an answer. I found my answer (europe is more liberal), and
> I apologize for taking this thread too far.
do not mean to be unkind...but I think that you american
people sometimes exaggerate just a little bit.
for me it is worse to watch all these violence in your films
than to see a nude woman which does not impresse me at all
(logically ;) )
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> : > : winner of X96 demo compo... go get it (fashion.arj & fashion.a01)
> : >
> : > Why do so many demos have porn in them? I've been wondering, because
> : > great demos can't be used for display purposes in the general public (due
> : > to offending people).
> : >
> : > I was extremely impressed with the demo until that part came up, which
> : > mean many people I know I can't show it to.
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> : > pagefault - dare...@america.com
>
> : Yeah demos should have a /RATED and /UNRATED commandline switch or something.
>
> : Although I didn't mind this picture, since it is cool, but its not like I
> : show these demos to my parents or anyone. Most people, (my friends at
> : least) who watch demos don't really mind a littly nudity here and there...
>
> : shinobu
>
> You're showing demos to your parents? Hell of a life you have!!
I'm actually showing demos to my parents. It might have something to do
with the fact that my dad has been working with computers since forever,
but still. Many adults think it's great, no shit. 45 years old, 12 years
old, whats the difference? Age doesn't have to change your view on art.
About this RATED/UNRATED debate, I think anyone who lives in a society
where he cannot show others a demo because of a handdrawn woman showing
her tits, should stick to sunday school and prayers, and drop everything
else. The bottom line is, I'd have to say, that anyone, being american
or not, who cannot accept the fact that women has breast and that we, males,
actually like to look at it, should get a life, instead of wasting everyones
time.
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: I'm actually showing demos to my parents. It might have something to do
: with the fact that my dad has been working with computers since forever,
: but still. Many adults think it's great, no shit. 45 years old, 12 years
: old, whats the difference? Age doesn't have to change your view on art.
hmm.. I've even shown a demo to my grandfather (who is 76 years old).. ;-P
What he thought of it? oh, well.. One thing is that he "didn't understand
what was on the screen" and he also said that the music wasn't quite his
favorite style (atleast most of it wasn't.. he quite liked that symphonic
part).. ;)
: About this RATED/UNRATED debate, I think anyone who lives in a society
: where he cannot show others a demo because of a handdrawn woman showing
: her tits, should stick to sunday school and prayers, and drop everything
: else. The bottom line is, I'd have to say, that anyone, being american
: or not, who cannot accept the fact that women has breast and that we, males,
: actually like to look at it, should get a life, instead of wasting everyones
: time.
ok. that demo I showed didn't include any naked breasts or anything.. But I
don't think I would have _censored_ it from him if it had.. I'm quite sure he has seen such
things before ;) .. (but I wouldn't have shown him, say, some hard/soft porn or
anything (at all) like that)..
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Rene Vinding Christensen <r...@vision.auc.dk> wrote:
>I'm actually showing demos to my parents. It might have something to do
>else. The bottom line is, I'd have to say, that anyone, being american
>or not, who cannot accept the fact that women has breast and that we, males,
>actually like to look at it, should get a life, instead of wasting everyones
>time.
You know what, Rene, for the first time in my life I agree with you
totally and completely.
I think even my parents would agree with you.
I wouldn't take your comments a step further, nor would I ease up on
them. It's really just as simple as you say.
Personally, I thought the picture was the single finest bit of artwork
I've seen in a demo to date. It was clearly done by hand on a computer,
and not merely scanned in. I think anyone who can appreciate art can
appreciate it.
Pagefault--go ahead and show the demo to your parents or whoever you
think wouldn't like the picture. I think they may surprise you with a
much more mature reaction than you're expecting.
Actually, with the exception of the unbelievable artwork (and the
hilarious ending), I thought this was a totally unextraordinary demo...
Matthew Yee
: PORN???? WHERE??? I have seen the demo *MANY MANY MANY* times during debugging
: the shit, but I *NEVER* saw any porn... have you discovered some hidden part
: or something?
i believe he lumped partial nudity with porn, as to how playboy is often
lumped in the same category.. ;>
just a difference in values, i think. :> certain countries have a higher
tolerance for such stuff, like the german publication stern, which often
has nudity in it, at the same time an american magazine like Newsweek
would not even consider putting something like that in there... :)
ts
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: About this RATED/UNRATED debate, I think anyone who lives in a society
: where he cannot show others a demo because of a handdrawn woman showing
: her tits, should stick to sunday school and prayers, and drop everything
: actually like to look at it, should get a life, instead of wasting everyones
: time.
I don't think I could have said that better myself...
just as a footnote, we have a local public access station which was
censored a few months back for showing breasts and such on the air. For
those of you who don't know what public access television is, it basically
allows any joe to have a television show...you have to take a small class
to learn how to operate the equipment and such, but after that, you can
basically do what you want. Anyone from a bible-thumper to a Klansman can
have a show, and this includes showing female breasts. The whole channel
was cut off because some people in the area complained to the County.
Well, it obviously went to court and the producers of the shows won. It's
that thing we have over here called free speech. The courts basically
told those who didn't like to turn the channel.
So, to sum it up, if you don't like what I have to say, don't listen...
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George Garrett
> hilarious ending), I thought this was a totally unextraordinary demo...
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> Jimmy Rimmer Rimbo / Lucid http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~rimbo/
Yeah, thats one demo I would watch just for the artwork. (Danny rules)
That "Spacetits" is amazing-- "even better than the real thing". I hope
when aliens conquer the world, they come in the form of women who look like
that... but i digress.
All in all FASHION is good, although you're right, not extraordinary...
Its definitely a keeper in my collection however.
For amazing effects, check out LATEX by Blank. I don't know how the sound is
since i only got GUS 512k, but the effects are cutting edge. God I hate
watching demos without sound! (Blank-please provide support for us lame
GUS 512kers!)
at ftp.cdrom.com /pub/demos/incoming/demos/255latex.zip I think.
shinobu
Dag-Erling Smørgrav
>> Ouaip, les americains sont tellement coinces qu'ils peuvent meme pas voir un
>> leurs films hollywoodiens qui comptent plus de chattes que de repliques
>> intelligentes. JE VEUX DES FILMS FRANCAIS! Evidemment, en Norvege, je suis u
>> tour a Paris un de ces jours...)
> Lets see.
> "Yes, the Americans are <something> convinced that they can't see
> <something> without a cry of scandal...(and after that they will
> marche against Hollywood films which count a lot of female cats which
> reply intelligently.) I WANT FRENCH FILMS! Evidently, in Norway, I am
> in a bad place to see French filmes...damn...I should visit Paris one
> of these days."
Let's just say you grossly misinterpreted me... You need to freshen up on
French idiom :)
>> And for all you people out there who weren't paying attention in French
>> class, what I wrote boils down to 'yeah, americans are so uptight...'
> Just the people who want to stop their kids from seeing porn on the
> net by banning free speech.
Oh yeah?
May I ask you a personal question?
Does your girlfriend often wrap herself in her blankets after the act to hide
her torso, lest a third party suddenly materialize in the room and see her
naked?
Have you ever noticed that that is exactly what women in 99% of Hollywood
movies do?
Now wouldn't you call 'uptight' people who are afraid of seeing women's
breasts on their TV screen?
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Mr.P / Powersource
Msg.Text("Mon, 29 Apr 1996 17:54:26 +0100","da...@infolink.no
(Dag-Erling Smørgrav)");
>>> Ouaip, les americains sont tellement coinces qu'ils peuvent meme pas voir un
>>> meuf a poil sans crier au scandale... (et apres ca ils noient le marche avec
>>> leurs films hollywoodiens qui comptent plus de chattes que de repliques
>>> intelligentes. JE VEUX DES FILMS FRANCAIS! Evidemment, en Norvege, je suis u
>>> peu mal place pour voir des films francais... Merde... Faut que je fasse un
>>> tour a Paris un de ces jours...)
>> Lets see.
>> "Yes, the Americans are <something> convinced that they can't see
>> <something> without a cry of scandal...(and after that they will
>> marche against Hollywood films which count a lot of female cats which
>> reply intelligently.) I WANT FRENCH FILMS! Evidently, in Norway, I am
>> in a bad place to see French filmes...damn...I should visit Paris one
>> of these days."
>Let's just say you grossly misinterpreted me... You need to freshen up on
>French idiom :)
I know I did.. "female cats" =)
Of course, it was a mispost, I intended to ask my little brother [who
is currently taking French, I have NOT taken it for 7 yearrs :)] about
it.
Maybe it was a good thing I didn't. I can see several meanings for
that. :)
>>> And for all you people out there who weren't paying attention in French
>>> class, what I wrote boils down to 'yeah, americans are so uptight...'
>> Just the people who want to stop their kids from seeing porn on the
>> net by banning free speech.
>Oh yeah?
>May I ask you a personal question?
OK... you didn't ask without my permission =) Hell, I have nothing
against it...
>Does your girlfriend often wrap herself in her blankets after the act to hide
>her torso, lest a third party suddenly materialize in the room and see her
>naked?
I don't have a girlfriend.
>Have you ever noticed that that is exactly what women in 99% of Hollywood
>movies do?
>Now wouldn't you call 'uptight' people who are afraid of seeing women's
>breasts on their TV screen?
OKOK.. I get your point.
Lemme rephrase that. "Just the people who want to stop their kids from
seeing porn by banning free speech."
Now, if you say I should cut out the "banning free speech" bit, I
won't, and that's because that is EXACTLY what they are doing.
Hey... why do you say "the act" and not "sex"? :)
Hal Black
Kurt Haegeman wrote:
>
> R. Eijkelhof (eyke...@sci.kun.nl) wrote:
>
> : winner of X96 demo compo... go get it (fashion.arj & fashion.a01)
>
> Seen it, and, sure as hell, loved it a lot! Congratulations.
I agree. That was the most wonderful artwork (by Danni) I have ever seen on a
computer. Amazing!
This demo deserves to be in the canon with the great ones!
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Dag-Erling Smørgrav
> From: m...@spartan.pei.edu (Mr.P / Powersource)
>> From: da...@infolink.no
>> Let's just say you grossly misinterpreted me... You need to freshen up on
>> French idiom :)
> I know I did.. "female cats" =)
Hehe... My sister's French teacher once had the misfortune of choosing as a
grammatical example the sentence "The young woman strokes her pussy".
Imagine the reaction of 25 fourteen-year old kids :)
> Lemme rephrase that. "Just the people who want to stop their kids from
> seeing porn by banning free speech."
> Now, if you say I should cut out the "banning free speech" bit, I
> won't, and that's because that is EXACTLY what they are doing.
I'm not saying you should, either... I just meant that it's not just about
the net... It's everywhere...
What I wrote in French was "Yep, Americans are so uptight they can't even see
a naked broad without a cry of scandal... (and after that they flood the
market with Hollywood films featuring more pussy than intelligent lines. I
WANT FRENCH FILMS! Evidently, in Norway, I'm not in the right spot to see
French films... Shit... Should make a hop to Paris one of these days...)"
Most of that was slang, which explains your trouble with the translation :)
> Hey... why do you say "the act" and not "sex"? :)
I don't know, I thought Americans reading this group might be offended ;)
Jared Casper
For all you that still think that killer picture in Fashion is pornography,
answer this, Is the statue "David" porn? no, it's art, just like that picture.
Jared Casper
a.k.a. The_Ghost
Mr.P / Powersource
Msg.Text("Thu, 02 May 1996 01:10:42 +0100","da...@infolink.no
(Dag-Erling Smørgrav)");
>> From: m...@spartan.pei.edu (Mr.P / Powersource)
>>> From: da...@infolink.no
>>> Let's just say you grossly misinterpreted me... You need to freshen up on
>>> French idiom :)
>> I know I did.. "female cats" =)
>Hehe... My sister's French teacher once had the misfortune of choosing as a
>grammatical example the sentence "The young woman strokes her pussy".
>Imagine the reaction of 25 fourteen-year old kids :)
Youch :) Over here, you mention so much as "puss" and people look at
you in a very shocked way.
Wonder what happened to the days when cats were called pussycats? :)
>> Lemme rephrase that. "Just the people who want to stop their kids from
>> seeing porn by banning free speech."
>> Now, if you say I should cut out the "banning free speech" bit, I
>> won't, and that's because that is EXACTLY what they are doing.
>I'm not saying you should, either... I just meant that it's not just about
>the net... It's everywhere...
Indeed it is. Clamping down on my being like a vise holding onto a
can. Slowly compressing inward and outward, until finally the two
halves separate to form new territories.
Oh, wait. I must be confused. :)
>What I wrote in French was "Yep, Americans are so uptight they can't even see
>a naked broad without a cry of scandal... (and after that they flood the
>market with Hollywood films featuring more pussy than intelligent lines. I
>WANT FRENCH FILMS! Evidently, in Norway, I'm not in the right spot to see
>French films... Shit... Should make a hop to Paris one of these days...)"
>Most of that was slang, which explains your trouble with the translation :)
7 years of non-French has eaten away at my thinking :)
>> Hey... why do you say "the act" and not "sex"? :)
>I don't know, I thought Americans reading this group might be offended ;)
I'm not, and so that's not a valid reason anymore. =)
I've already been sent a flame in a very interesting manner (form
letter - X out the relevant parts) instructing me never to post again.
After having cleaned a virus off the system, I think it's been long
enough. Still, it's not in the interests of some people to idly chat,
so this is going to be my last post in this thread.
word
Dag-Erling Smørgrav (da...@infolink.no) wrote:
: > Hey... why do you say "the act" and not "sex"? :)
: I don't know, I thought Americans reading this group might be offended ;)
Ah yes, french.. the language of love.. the language of passion - the
language of pricks everywhere.
- Maelcum [MCGTY]
(mae...@kosmic.org - this account is borrowed, so do not try to contact
me @superlink.net)