Looking for early versions of MicroVMS & VWS

[vaxorcist]

WANTED - early versions of:

- MicroVMS V1.0 (later renamed to V4.0) V4.1, V4.1M, V4.2
- VWS (VAX/VMS Workstation Software) V1.1, V2.0, V3.0

Help please, I want to run my MicroVAX I/IIs on contemporary software!

Any media (TK50 tape cartridge, RX50 floppies, 9-track tape, ...), any
condition
(Installation media, BACKUP Save Sets, Disk/Tape Images, ...)

Regards,

Ulli

[Richard B. Gilbert]

Lots of luck! I suspect that most, if not all, of that stuff hit the
garbage can twenty years, or more, ago.

[vaxorcist]

On 23 Mrz., 17:21, "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilber...@comcast.net>
wrote:

> Lots of luck!  I suspect that most, if not all, of that stuff hit the
> garbage can twenty years, or more, ago.

I hope for some dusty corners still waiting for a clearing out ...
Or someone of those who can never decide to throw things away!

Ulli

[Richard B. Gilbert]

We have wives who make these decisions for us!

[JF Mezei]

vaxorcist wrote:

> Help please, I want to run my MicroVAX I/IIs on contemporary software!

The all mighty microvax II with 16 meg of memory was able to run VMS
7.2. (didn't upgrade it to 7.3). Asking for MicroVMS V4.0 is asking for
museum software, not "contemporary".

[Richard B. Gilbert]

Would 20+ year old media even be readable?

[Richard B. Gilbert]

One could argue that a MicroVAX II is a museum piece! ;-)

MicroVMS V4.0 is contemporary, more or less, with the MicroVAX II.

[vaxorcist]

The question is: contemporary to what?
I meant contemporary for OLD MicroVAXen, especially MicroVAX I (with
VERY [architectural] limited Memory)

Ulli

[vaxorcist]

On 23 Mrz., 17:51, "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilber...@comcast.net>
wrote:

I've had very few cases of trouble with RX50 floppies; TK50 & 9-track
tapes can be more difficult when they have become 'sticky'. Storage is
critical: humidity, dust and UV light are deteriorating media.

Ulli

[totheed...@msn.com]

On Mar 23, 1:51 pm, "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilber...@comcast.net>
wrote:

Will the MicroVAX I even support 7.3? But from the September 1993
Master Index

Product Name Vers
UPI CD Directory
VMS Workstation Software 4.5 A96JA
10 [VWS045]

But since VWS is not on the "hobbyiest" list can he use it??
Your best bet would be to get 5.X.
ed

[vaxorcist]

All pre V5 VMS software has got no LMF licenses at all. For some
functions you need 'license key kits' which enable the licensed items
by patching back in what was patched out before. Examples are DECnet;
Clustering and Disk Shadowing. Once you have the key(s) you've got no
troubles anymore. And besides - the older the VMS version - the more
charming it is! Yes, I want retrocomputing; that's why I look for the
oldest possible software to run on my machines. I use newer VMS
versions, too occasionally (up to V7.x), but a lot of fun (and speed)
is lost. You usually don't put modern tyres on your vintage car, don't
you?

Ulli

P.S.
After all: "Taste is a matter of taste"

[totheed...@msn.com]

My mistake.
After sending my first post I remembered that the LMF came with 5.0
and above.
I also found VWS 4.4. but the last version of VMS I can find now is
5.5. Maybe
this weekend I will go thru my TK50s and see what I got.
ed

[vaxorcist]

Thanks for your efforts in advance. Maybe I can do something useful
for you as well?

Ulli

[Steven Schweda]

vaxorcist wrote:
> WANTED - early versions of:
>
> - MicroVMS V1.0 (later renamed to V4.0) V4.1, V4.1M, V4.2
> - VWS (VAX/VMS Workstation Software) V1.1, V2.0, V3.0
>
> Help please, I want to run my MicroVAX I/IIs on contemporary software!

> [...]

My oldest (November 1990) ConDist CD-ROM kit includes VWS V4.3 (and
VMS V5.4). It comprises three CDs. (I sure do miss those RRD40
caddies.) If you'd like extracts or CD images, send me wome e-mail.

Personally, I use VMS V5.4 only for Info-ZIP testing entertainment
with VAX C. Unless I had only a DEQNA for Ethernet, I'd move directly
to VMS V5.5-2. It's reasonably old, but not entirely useless.

--------------------------------------------------------

Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-info
382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818
Saint Paul MN 55105-2547

[Rich Alderson]

JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> writes:

> vaxorcist wrote:

Different meaning of "contemporary": Coeval with the hardware, rather than the
newest possible.

--
Rich Alderson "You get what anybody gets. You get a lifetime."
ne...@alderson.users.panix.com --Death, of the Endless

[jo jimbo]

a good place to ask these kind of questions would be to subscribe to

www.classiccmp.org mailing list.

I think you will find an audience more receptive to your desires.

Thanks, Jim

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[Albrecht Schlosser]

I have lots of old TK50 tapes with (Micro)VMS, FORTRAN, C, ... that
came with our MicroVAX II about 1986/1987 and later, IIRC. This
would be MicroVMS 4.5 or so and maybe later versions, too.

There are also some MicroVMS manuals and an external TK50 drive.
But I don't know if the drive and/or the tapes would still be
usable.

Contact me off-list, if you're interested. You can pick them up
near Mainz/Frankfurt (Germany/Europe ;-) ).

Albrecht

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[P. Sture]

In article
<ca90ff40-902e-4348...@j39g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
totheed...@msn.com wrote:

> After sending my first post I remembered that the LMF came with 5.0
> and above.
> I also found VWS 4.4. but the last version of VMS I can find now is
> 5.5. Maybe
> this weekend I will go thru my TK50s and see what I got.
> ed

My VAXstation 2000 came with V5.2 plus PAKs for at least VMS, DECnet and
LAVC. I can't remember which other PAKs came with it; I have a vague
feeling, but cannot be sure, that the VWS version I had didn't have a
PAK. It certainly took a few years for all layered products to have PAK
checking incorporated.

--
Paul Sture

[Timothy Stark]

Ulli,

Oh, I now remember that a few years ago. Did you find layered and 3rd party
products for old VMS operating systems yet? I only have old VMS versions
(1.5, 3.x, 4.x, and 5.5+) for my emulator but not layered and 3rd party
products like compilers, network, etc. Did you find VMS 1.0, 2.x and
5.0-5.5 yet?

Thanks,
Tim

"vaxorcist" <vaxo...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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[vaxorcist]

On 25 Mrz., 16:20, "P. Sture" <paul.sture.nos...@hispeed.ch> wrote:

...

> My VAXstation 2000 came with V5.2 plus PAKs for at least VMS, DECnet and
> LAVC. I can't remember which other PAKs came with it; I have a vague
> feeling, but cannot be sure, that the VWS version I had didn't have a
> PAK. It certainly took a few years for all layered products to have PAK
> checking incorporated.
>
> --
> Paul Sture

There are VWS license PAKs from VMS V5 onwards; I've got more than a
dozen of them.
Furthermore there are the combined license PAKs 'NET-APP-SUP-xxx',
which include (among others), the VWS license.
So the VWS license can sometimes be hidden inside the NET-APP-SUP-xxx
package.

Ulli

[H Vlems]

I have a CD labeled Desktop-VMS Version V1.2 dated February 1991
No idea what's on it and I just shut down the system with a cdrom.
I also have VMS 4.6 and 4.7 and VWS 4.4
Hans

[koe...@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org]

In article <vM-dna-mNap_I1rU...@giganews.com>, "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilb...@comcast.net> writes:
>
> One could argue that a MicroVAX II is a museum piece! ;-)

You don't have to argue very hard. There is one on display in the
Smithsonian's National Air and Space Museum.

[Richard B. Gilbert]

A good machine in its day. Its day is, of course, long gone!

I've been spoiled rotten by the Alphas.