Spit Brook location
pr...@prep.synonet.com
is the Sheraton called now days? I seem to remeber a name change from
somewhere.
Or a Lat/Long ;)
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Steve Lionel
> The SE buildings are NW of the Spit Brook Rd/Everet interchange? What
> is the Sheraton called now days? I seem to remeber a name change from
> somewhere.
>
> Or a Lat/Long ;)
The Sheraton is still a Sheraton - called "Sheraton Nashua" now.
VMS is in building 3, which is the leftmost.
Steve
Michael Moroney
>The SE buildings are NW of the Spit Brook Rd/Everet interchange?
Yes. If you're looking for it with an aerial image browser, the ZK
buildings are 3 connected rectangles sort of in a line, sort of behind the
hotel. VMS lives in the left/westernmost one.
pr...@prep.synonet.com
> pr...@prep.synonet.com writes:
Thanks Steve. The Sheraton is the building with the 7-ish shape to the
east? And VMS is in the building with the 2 AC units on the roof, the
middle one having 6, and the eastern one 4 in an odd setup?
The Helipad still there?
Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply
writes:
> > Yes. If you're looking for it with an aerial image browser, the ZK
> > buildings are 3 connected rectangles sort of in a line, sort of
> > behind the hotel. VMS lives in the left/westernmost one.
Not far from the non-paged pool. :-)
Stephen Hoffman
> The SE buildings are NW of the Spit Brook Rd/Everet interchange? What
> is the Sheraton called now days? I seem to remeber a name change from
> somewhere.
>
> Or a Lat/Long ;)
42°42'49.13"N 71°27'31.21"W
Steve Lionel
> Thanks Steve. The Sheraton is the building with the 7-ish shape to the
> east? And VMS is in the building with the 2 AC units on the roof, the
> middle one having 6, and the eastern one 4 in an odd setup?
I'm not sure which "7-ish" building you refer to. The Sheraton is the
light-roofed building in the lower right of the Google image, right
next to the highway. Directly south (towards the bottom of the image)
of ZK3 is a slim, curved, 7-ish shaped structure that is the parking
garage for Oracle, whose building can be seen next to it. You have the
various Spit Brook buildings identified correctly - the eastern one,
ZK2, is the one I am in (no HP people are left in ZK2.)
> The Helipad still there?
Yes, though there is no longer regular use of it.
I was sent a different aerial view URL which is even better,
http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=r3k2tq91br5p&style=o&lvl=1&scene=1706810
In this one, ZK3, with VMS, is at the top, and you can see the "great
barcode wall" at the ZK1 entrance in the middle. (It's a popular VMS
trivia question to ask what this wall reads now, and what it read when
first erected.)
The Google photo must have been taken on a weekend, as the parking lots
are TOO empty.
Steve
Bill Gunshannon
"Steve Lionel" <steve....@intel.com> writes:
>
>> The Helipad still there?
>
> Yes, though there is no longer regular use of it.
Just out of curiosity, where? I could not see any marked Helipad and
I believe the FAA still requires them to be crearly marked.
bill
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Alan Frisbie
> I was sent a different aerial view URL which is even better,
> http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=r3k2tq91br5p&style=o&lvl=1&scene=1706810
> In this one, ZK3, with VMS, is at the top, and you can see the "great
> barcode wall" at the ZK1 entrance in the middle. (It's a popular VMS
> trivia question to ask what this wall reads now, and what it read when
> first erected.)
When I was there in May 2005, the barcode still had two one-bit
errors (a one bit in one character was swapped with the zero bit
from another). Have they fixed it yet?
In particular, on the bottom row, the first character should
be an upper case "W" (hex 57). Instead, it is hex 17 (Escape).
Likewise, the seventh character is supposed to be an upper
case "D" (hex 44). Instead, it is hex 46 ("F").
Remember that they used 7-bit ASCII, not 8-bit, when you go
counting bits.
Alan
DaveG
How long has ZK been the home of VMS engineering? And thanks for the
links to the views of the area.
Dave...
Steve Lionel
> How long has ZK been the home of VMS engineering? And thanks for the
> links to the views of the area.
August 1980 is when the first of VMS engineering moved in to the first
(lowest) floor of ZK1. For two years before that it had been in a
converted shopping center in Tewksbury, MA. I know that ZK2 opened in
1982, and languages moved there. I think ZK3 opened in 1986.
As for the helipad, it's the square in the middle of the image at
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=110+spit+brook+rd,+03062&ie=UTF8&om=1&z=18&ll=42.712712,-71.457752&spn=0.002523,0.005171&t=k
It does not seem to be specially marked, so perhaps it does not qualify
anymore. I have not seen any helicopters land there in many years.
There is still the little waiting shed with instructions about waiting
for the pilot to signal that you can approach.
Regarding the barcode, I was not aware that there was an error in it.
If there is, I doubt it has been fixed. I'll have to check that out.
Steve
Michael Moroney
>mor...@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) writes:
>> pr...@prep.synonet.com writes:
>>>The SE buildings are NW of the Spit Brook Rd/Everet interchange?
>> Yes. If you're looking for it with an aerial image browser, the ZK
>> buildings are 3 connected rectangles sort of in a line, sort of
>> behind the hotel. VMS lives in the left/westernmost one.
>Thanks Steve. The Sheraton is the building with the 7-ish shape to the
>east? And VMS is in the building with the 2 AC units on the roof, the
>middle one having 6, and the eastern one 4 in an odd setup?
You've identified the right building, although I don't think those are
air conditioning units on ZK3. The A/C cooling units are the 3 things
between ZK3 and the helipad. There is a large mechanical room in the
basement (numbered as the first level) of ZK3, I believe the actual A/C
compressors are in there.
>The Helipad still there?
Yes, the square south of ZK3.
Last I know of a helicopter at the site, it did not use the helipad. It
was a BIG flying crane type of thing that sat in one of the parking lots
for a couple of days, maybe 8 years ago or so. It was used to replace the
A/C units on one of the other buildings (ZK1 I think) the following
weekend. I've heard a rumor that President Bush used the helipad once when
he visited Nashua (probably for the NH primary) but don't know for sure.
JF Mezei
> As for the helipad, it's the square in the middle of the image at
> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=110+spit+brook+rd,+03062&ie=UTF8&om=1&z=18&ll=42.712712,-71.457752&spn=0.002523,0.005171&t=k
Would you happen to have the exact latitude and longitude of the office
where VMS is secretely being ported to the 64 bit 8086 architecture ?
:-) :-) :-) :-)
Alphaman
> In particular, on the bottom row, the first character should
> be an upper case "W" (hex 57). Instead, it is hex 17 (Escape).
> Likewise, the seventh character is supposed to be an upper
> case "D" (hex 44). Instead, it is hex 46 ("F").
Errr, Uhm, 0x17 is a 23 (decimal), which is NOT the escape character.
Escape is 27 decimal, or 0x1B.
Does anyone have a photo of the wall they'd care to share with us
geographically challenged trivia lovers???
Okay, all this talk about the barcode wall and ZK3 has gotten me feeling
nostalgic. Anyone got a copy of ZK??? Oops, just found it on the
hobbyist site...
http://www.openvmshobbyist.com/downloads.html
Cool! Something to do this afternoon while my son plays the PS2...
Aaron
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accurate in observation, and merciless to fallacy in logic." (Thomas
Henry Huxley)
Alan Frisbie
> Alan Frisbie wrote:
>
>> In particular, on the bottom row, the first character should
>> be an upper case "W" (hex 57). Instead, it is hex 17 (Escape).
>> Likewise, the seventh character is supposed to be an upper
>> case "D" (hex 44). Instead, it is hex 46 ("F").
> Errr, Uhm, 0x17 is a 23 (decimal), which is NOT the escape character.
> Escape is 27 decimal, or 0x1B.
You are, of course, right. I don't know what I was thinking
when I wrote that. I'll blame it on a brain fart. The hex
values are correct, though.
I mentioned the errors to several VMS developers when I was
there in 2005, and one of them gave me the e-mail address of
the facilities manager. I sent him a description of the
problem, but never got an answer.
Would anyone care to place a bet on whether or not it has
been fixed yet?
Would anyone care to place bets on whether or not it is fixed
before my next trip there in May?
If it is "fixed", would anyone care to bet on whether or not
they do it correctly? :-) All they have to do is swap the
two incorrect bars.
Alan
pr...@prep.synonet.com
> pr...@prep.synonet.com wrote:
>> Thanks Steve. The Sheraton is the building with the 7-ish shape to the
>> east? And VMS is in the building with the 2 AC units on the roof, the
>> middle one having 6, and the eastern one 4 in an odd setup?
>
> I'm not sure which "7-ish" building you refer to. The Sheraton is
> the light-roofed building in the lower right of the Google image,
> right next to the highway. Directly south (towards the bottom of
> the image) of ZK3 is a slim, curved, 7-ish shaped structure that is
> the parking garage for Oracle, whose building can be seen next to
> it. You have the various Spit Brook buildings identified correctly
> - the eastern one, ZK2, is the one I am in (no HP people are left in
> ZK2.)
Got it now. Part of the problem is over 20 years since I was there,
plus my direction sence was WAY screwed up by first time in the North.
Must be end of winter, no colours, and the trees look pretty sparce as
well. I walked from the sheraton up the slope to ZK, and discovered
that 6-8" of leafe litter is not fun to walk through. Out here, 2" is
about the limit it gets to.
>> The Helipad still there?
> Yes, though there is no longer regular use of it.
Ah, found it now. I thought it was to the west of the building, outside
the end of old RSX offices.
> I was sent a different aerial view URL which is even better,
> http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=r3k2tq91br5p&style=o&lvl=1&scene=1706810
> In this one, ZK3, with VMS, is at the top, and you can see the "great
> barcode wall" at the ZK1 entrance in the middle. (It's a popular VMS
> trivia question to ask what this wall reads now, and what it read when
> first erected.)
> The Google photo must have been taken on a weekend, as the parking
> lots are TOO empty.
Say that again, though there are quite a few in the Sheraton's, so weekend
it is. Still seems a lot emptier than it used to be on weekends though.
JF Mezei
> > lots are TOO empty.
Or it was taken recently, now that the VMS engineering group has been
severely downsized ......
Bill Gunshannon
NOpe. Weekend wins. None of the Google photos are recent. For evidence
of this go look at areas devestated by hurricanes the last couple of years.
Or any place you know there has been construction in the last several
years.
Michael Moroney
>In article <4544392E...@teksavvy.com>,
> JF Mezei <jfmezei...@teksavvy.com> writes:
>>> > The Google photo must have been taken on a weekend, as the parking
>>> > lots are TOO empty.
>>
>> Or it was taken recently, now that the VMS engineering group has been
>> severely downsized ......
>NOpe. Weekend wins. None of the Google photos are recent. For evidence
>of this go look at areas devestated by hurricanes the last couple of years.
>Or any place you know there has been construction in the last several
>years.
Google doesn't have their own photos, of course. They use a variety of
sources, depending on what's available for a given area. For Spit Brook,
they used photos from April 2001 from the Massachusetts Geographic
Information System. (yes, I know full well ZKO isn't in Massachusetts,
but it's close enough to the state line Mass. data covers it, and there
is no other source with that resolution)
I don't know where the live.com "Bird's Eye" views came from. I can
tell you the different directions were shot at different times, since
the view from one direction shows the ZK3 parking lots empty, from another
direction they're full.
JF Mezei
> Google doesn't have their own photos, of course. They use a variety of
> sources, depending on what's available for a given area.
Does anyone kwow what happened to the Microsoft Terraserver which ran on
Alphas ? Could that database have been sold to people such as Google ?
There are also private companies that operate commercial spy satellites.
(for instance, after the tsunami, it was one of those companies that
published before and after images of the devastated areas), as well as
the katrina in the USA.
Michael Moroney
>Michael Moroney wrote:
>> Google doesn't have their own photos, of course. They use a variety of
>> sources, depending on what's available for a given area.
>Does anyone kwow what happened to the Microsoft Terraserver which ran on
>Alphas ? Could that database have been sold to people such as Google ?
Online at http://terraserver.microsoft.com/.
Again, the photos aren't theirs. They are from the U.S. Geological
Survey, although Terraserver is probably the only place to have all of the
USGS black-and-white photos (just about the whole US) in a computer
database.
The black-and-white ones Terraserver uses are rather old, mostly from the
mid-90s. The USGS also has just about the whole US on color-infrared
photos, although I know of no site that has all of them online, other than
these photos are used on other photo site pages if nothing better is
available.
John Reagan
> When I was there in May 2005, the barcode still had two one-bit
> errors (a one bit in one character was swapped with the zero bit
> from another). Have they fixed it yet?
>
> In particular, on the bottom row, the first character should
> be an upper case "W" (hex 57). Instead, it is hex 17 (Escape).
> Likewise, the seventh character is supposed to be an upper
> case "D" (hex 44). Instead, it is hex 46 ("F").
I believe they are still broken but I don't that entrance often.
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Michael Moroney
>So, in my ignorance, what should the barcode wall say?
It originally read:
DIGITALSOFTWA
REENGINEERING
but some VP found out (I think it was Compaq by then)
and he had it changed to some mealymouth slogan
which is, if I remember right: "Customers Win When We Deliver"
or something equally inane.
Alan Frisbie
> So, in my ignorance, what should the barcode wall say?
It is *supposed* to say:
Customers Win
WhenWeDeliver
(Note the clever lack of spaces in the bottom row to make
the two rows the same length.)
What it *actually* (as of June, 2005) says (in 7-bit ASCII) is:
Customers Win
.henWeFeliver
(The "." in the second row represents the unprintable
hex 17 character.)
I think this means that whatever is "Felivered" will
have bugs in it. :-)
I am told that an earlier incarnation of the bar code
said something like "Software Engineering", but I never
saw that one.
Could someone at ZKO please inspect the bar code and report
the colors of the first seven bars in the bottom row?
Alan
Alan Frisbie
> I don't know where the live.com "Bird's Eye" views came from. I can
> tell you the different directions were shot at different times, since
> the view from one direction shows the ZK3 parking lots empty, from another
> direction they're full.
No, it is because the cloaking device was only working in
certain directions at that time. :-)
Alan
Bob Koehler
>
> Does anyone kwow what happened to the Microsoft Terraserver which ran on
> Alphas ? Could that database have been sold to people such as Google ?
>
terraserver.microsoft.com still works. It is sponsored by USGS.
uptime.netscaft.com claims it is running IIS on Windows Server 2003,
but doesn't know what hardware that's on.
Steve Lionel
> It is *supposed* to say:
>
> Customers Win
> WhenWeDeliver
>
> (Note the clever lack of spaces in the bottom row to make
> Could someone at ZKO please inspect the bar code and report
> the colors of the first seven bars in the bottom row?
I have uploaded a picture of the bar code to
http://static.flickr.com/115/285862825_50175029ca_o.jpg
The first character on the bottom row is indeed incorrect at hex 17.
Furthermore, the character that should be D in Deliver I decode as F.
The colors of that one are:
black, white, white, white, black, black, white. Black is 1, white is
0, and it's 7-bit ASCII, so that is 01000110, hex 46 or 'F'. Am I
misreading this?
I did not verify the upper row.
Steve
Alan Frisbie
> Alan Frisbie wrote:
>> It is *supposed* to say:
>>
>> Customers Win
>> WhenWeDeliver
> I have uploaded a picture of the bar code to
> http://static.flickr.com/115/285862825_50175029ca_o.jpg
Yup, they have not fixed it yet! (And it looks like a
nice Fall day in Nashua.)
> The first character on the bottom row is indeed incorrect at hex 17.
> Furthermore, the character that should be D in Deliver I decode as F.
> The colors of that one are:
> black, white, white, white, black, black, white. Black is 1, white is
> 0, and it's 7-bit ASCII, so that is 01000110, hex 46 or 'F'. Am I
> misreading this?
No, you read the incorrect code correctly. :-)
Thanks for verifying that nobody has bothered to fix this bug.
If it were not for the fact that the 1 and 0 bits are different
shapes, it would be trivial to repaint them. As it is, they
need to unbolt the two bars from the wall and swap them.
I will check it again in seven months and report.
> I did not verify the upper row.
It appears to be OK.
Perhaps this should be added to the trivia question about the bar code. :-)
Alan
Steve Lionel
> Thanks for verifying that nobody has bothered to fix this bug.
> If it were not for the fact that the 1 and 0 bits are different
> shapes, it would be trivial to repaint them. As it is, they
> need to unbolt the two bars from the wall and swap them.
Ah, yes. Swapping one bar between the two wrong characters would fix
it. The first bar (white) in the erstwhile W should be swapped with
the sixth bar (black) in the erstwhile D.
I suspect this happened a few (10?) years ago when the bars were taken
down for some construction work and put back (incorrectly.)
And yes, it is a fine fall day here in Nashua, as was yesterday - both
a bit unseasonably warm (mid-60s.) The warmth will go away as of
tomorrow.
By the way, there used to be a time capsule buried in the walkway in
front of the wall, containing various artifacts from the DEC of 1982
(or thereabouts). I had contributed a copy of "CPU Wars" to it.
Sadly, it was later discovered that the cannister was improperly
sealed, water had filled it, and the contents destroyed.
Steve
Hans Bachner
> "Steve Lionel" <steve....@intel.com> writes:
>> pr...@prep.synonet.com wrote:
>
>> Yes, though there is no longer regular use of it.
>
> Ah, found it now. I thought it was to the west of the building,
> outside the end of old RSX offices.
I also thought to remember the helipad further to the west than it appears
on the Google pictures. Is it possible that it was moved to the current
position since the early nineties?
Hans.
Steve Lionel
> I also thought to remember the helipad further to the west than it appears
> on the Google pictures. Is it possible that it was moved to the current
> position since the early nineties?
Nope - it's right where it always was. The faint line through the trees
from the east is a walkway, and the connector between building 1
(center) and building 3 (west) is, on the third floor, seating area for
the cafeteria, and we can see the helipad from there. I used the
helicopter back in the days DEC was flying it.
There has been no construction at all at the site since building 3
opened in 1986.
Steve
Hal Kuff
site of an auto-gyro landing...in the pond
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Mister Q
Hal Kuff wrote:
> Anyone remember the old heli-pond? one of the buildings up there was the
> site of an auto-gyro landing...in the pond
>
I think that you are thinking of the old Merrimack MKO facility. It had
a helicopter land in it's Pond once.
I also seem to recall that Basingstoke (blazingSmoke) in the UK, once
had a VAX being manhandled down the stairs, go through a plate glass
window and into the pond there...
q
Robert Deininger
Lionel" <steve....@intel.com> wrote:
>There has been no construction at all at the site since building 3
>opened in 1986.
Wasn't the cafeteria expanded sometime after ZKO3 was built?
John Sauter
>
>I think that you are thinking of the old Merrimack MKO facility. It had
>a helicopter land in it's Pond once.
Mister Q is correct. I watched the pond landing from the MK
cafeteria. I don't recall the date but it must have been somewhere
around 1978.
John Sauter (J_Sa...@Empire.Net)
Steve Lionel
No - actually, it was contracted to create some additional office space
(and the recreation room dubbed the "ZKO Holodeck".
Steve
Steve Lionel
Ah, another old-time RTL-er heard from... Hi, John!
I think the helicopter incident (which I believe had Stan Olsen on
board) was in 1979.
Steve
John Sauter
>Ah, another old-time RTL-er heard from... Hi, John!
>
Hi Steve! For the newcomers to this board, Steve
was the second person recruited into the VMS RTL
group, after Tom Hastings. I was the third.
John Sauter (J_Sa...@Empire.Net)
mattzi...@gmail.com
> The SE buildings are NW of the Spit Brook Rd/Everet interchange? What
> is the Sheraton called now days? I seem to remeber a name change from
> somewhere.
>
> Or a Lat/Long ;)
> --
> Paul Repacholi 1 Crescent Rd.,
> +61 (08) 9257-1001 Kalamunda.
> West Australia 6076
> comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot
> Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.
> EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.
Just today, I was in a conference room that had a small sign posted just inside the door, next to the light switch which read "ZK conference courtesies".
There is a memo and a floor plan dated 1993 or 1995 in a glass case outside the lab that is in there now, which shows rooms/areas/vaxen that were named after various scientists and folks in the computer field. (Codd being one of them).
I believe I may sit in an original cube that was there when it was DEC. "78" on second floor. Even more intriguing is that I think the back quadrant of the first floor may have been sealed off since the HP (or even DEC) days. Cubes are still set up, but no chairs, no computers. One of the dry erase boards visible from outside the building has writing on it mentioning token ring networks.
Can any of you add more details about ZK02 or the other buildings in the complex? Was there a cafeteria on the second floor of ZK02? There's a bizarre little roll-door, the type you see in school cafeterias. From what I can see through the small windows into the lab, there must be MASSIVE amounts of power to that lab. I would enjoy finding even more 'artifacts' throughout the place if it would be possible.
Thanks!
- Matt
Paul Anderson
> I currently work in what was ZK02 (the right-most building in the
> aerial imagery), now known as "300". I just started working there a
> few weeks ago, and there are many, small remnants of DEC still
> there.
> floor may have been sealed off since the HP (or even DEC) days.
> Cubes are still set up, but no chairs, no computers. One of the dry
> erase boards visible from outside the building has writing on it
> mentioning token ring networks.
occupied the entire first floor (ZKO2-1). A few months ago, they
vacated half of that space and it is now blocked off. I suspect those
are the cubes you are seeing. One could have been mine, as I was by the
windows near the entrance under the lower walkway. (I didn't have token
ring stuff on my whiteboard though.)
Paul
Jerry Eckert
> lab. I would enjoy finding even more 'artifacts' throughout the place if it
> would be possible.
>
> Thanks!
> - Matt
>
the bridge to ZK3.
I don't recall the roll-door you mentioned; however, I didn't spent much
time in ZK2, so I easily could have missed it.
I'm curious: what companies are occupying the different buildings now?
Jerry
Paul Anderson
> I'm curious: what companies are occupying the different buildings now?
200 (ZKO1).
Paul
g...@gce.com
> The SE buildings are NW of the Spit Brook Rd/Everet interchange? What
> is the Sheraton called now days? I seem to remeber a name change from
> somewhere.
>
> Or a Lat/Long ;)
>
> --
> Paul Repacholi 1 Crescent Rd.,
> +61 (08) 9257-1001 Kalamunda.
> West Australia 6076
> comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot
> Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.
> EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.
"nonpaged pool". Is it still there?
Paul Anderson
> Just out of curiosity, there used to be a small pond in back of ZK3
> called "nonpaged pool". Is it still there?
is still there, outside the cafeteria.
Paul
Stephen Hoffman
A picture of the sign (now long gone from that location, as mentioned
above) and the pond <http://www.digiater.nl/contact.html>. What was
building 3 (ZKO3, former home of VMS, now known as building 100,
Innovation Way, Nashua) is located immediately behind you, and what was
buildings ZKO1 (now building 200) and ZKO2 (building 300) are to the
right of the view.
This is the opposite (entrance) side of what was ZKO3. This is how it
looked when VMS was there:
<http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/14251310/110-Spit-Brook-Road-Nashua-NH/>
Far more current photos of the three building entrances:
<http://jflatco.com/commercial-availability/nashua-hills-technology-park/about/>
The former "digitalsoftwa / reengineering" display was to the left of
the ZKO1 / building 200 entrance.
I've previously posted a Google Earth KML file with the locations for
some of the former DEC sites at <http://labs.hoffmanlabs.com/node/665>.
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Richard Maher
Simon Clubley
> It was a softer, gentler time; the Summers were longer . . .
Simon.
PS: :-)
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Richard Maher
> On 2015-08-02, Richard Maher <maher_rj...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> It was a softer, gentler time; the Summers were longer . . .
>
> Oh great; Richard's been drinking the wrong type of liquid again...
>
> Simon.
>
> PS: :-)
>
couple more bags of sugar and get under 90kg. (Oh that's a metric
measurement used in one or two places)
But having to listen to the same old nostalgia junkies day in day
fucking out is enough to drive anyone to drink.
I fear VSI is just running a museum in the way Arthur Scargill wanted
Maggie to run the coal mines :-(
Having said that, the good news is the buses back from the Beach drop us
right outside The Boulevard! And I have no doubt I will make my feelings
known more frequently.