Nokia discontinues the (Linux-only) Qt Extended stack (Qtopia)
Matt
> [Updated Mar. 4] -- Nokia-owned Qt Software is shipping Qt 4.5, a cross-platform library now available under a commerce-friendly LGPL license. Additionally, Qt launched a new cross-platform IDE (integrated development environment) and SDK, and said it would discontinue the Linux-only Qt Extended stack (formerly "Qtopia").
> Adieu, Qtopia
> A farewell salute is in order to one of the cornerstones of embedded Linux over the last seven years: Qt's (formerly Trolltech's) application stack for mobile Linux devices, Qt Extended. Formerly Qt for Embedded Linux, and before that and more enduringly, Qtopia, Qt Extended will be supported as a standalone stack for another year.
>
> Qt Software's Benoit Schillings, chief technologist, called the change an "evolution," rather than a discontinuation, though. Schillings commented, "A lot of Qt Extended's APIs add functionality specific to a class of devices, such as adding support for Bluetooth, IP telephony, or input devices like touchscreens. Today, those things make sense not only in a mobile device, but in a cross-platform environment. We are taking APIs and functionality specific to the embedded device market and moving it into the mainstream release... so, for example, you will see the Qtopia UI move to other platforms."
>
> Schillings shrugged off the suggestion that Nokia may wish to focus on Maemo as its mobile Linux stack, commenting that Maemo has a "separate identity."
>
> Shifting the topic back to Qtopia, Schillings elaborated, "Seven years ago when we built Qtopia, there was a Linux kernel and not much on top of it for embedded developers. So, it was important for someone to go and build the layers that became Qt Extended."
>
> But the Linux community has evolved quite a bit, since then, Schillings observes. Indeed it has. For example, fairly complete -- and completely free -- stacks like Maemo, Android, and Moblin (among others) continue to mature, posing a challenge for those hoping to commercialize integration efforts like Qt Extended.
>
> Schillings continued, "Today, being cross platform is more important. We do not need to control the entire stack. We want people who write Qt interfaces to be able to have the flexibility to run it on GNOME, and not just KDE. In the end, this will provide a product that is more coherent."
>
> And what about all those hundreds of Qtopia applications out there? "Most Qtopia applications run on Qt functionality, so it will not be a traumatic transition." Schillings continued. "It's all about adoption for us. How do we get Qt everywhere? We need to remove some barriers, and be more open in how we integrate with different development architectures."
Erik Funkenbusch
> http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4824952673.html?kc=rss
>
>> [Updated Mar. 4] -- Nokia-owned Qt Software is shipping Qt 4.5, a
>> cross-platform library now available under a commerce-friendly LGPL
>> license. Additionally, Qt launched a new cross-platform IDE (integrated
>> development environment) and SDK, and said it would discontinue the
>> Linux-only Qt Extended stack (formerly "Qtopia").
Gee... dated at least 6 days ago.. I wonder how Roy "missed" this bit of
Linux news?
Or could it be that Roy only publishes "news" he thinks is positive about
Linux, or negative about Microsoft or Novell? Nah, that can't be it.. that
would be biased and unethical for a so called "journalist".
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
You and Tim are pretty slow on the uptake, hmmm?
Everyone else knows Roy wears his heart on his sleeve, and they account for
it and move forward.
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Ezekiel
"Chris Ahlstrom" <ahls...@launchmodem.com> wrote in message
news:71GDl.27072$v8.2...@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
Translation - Everyone knows that Roy Schestowitz is a dishonest liar but
the freetards are willing to give him a free pass.
Matt
1) I found the very text quoted above in two of Roy's posts---one on
March 3 (38 days ago) and one yesterday, so that part of your premise is
to say the least a little off. Still I haven't been able to figure out
why Roy forms his subject lines as he does.
2) Discontinuing Qtopia is not bad news for Linux. Qtopia is a Linux
kernel integrated with a version of Qt, both adapted for embedded use.
The apps for it won't run unmodified on anything else. IMO it is
usually good for Linux when Linux-only software dies. But as the last
paragraph quoted in my OP shows, the programs built for Qtopia aren't
thoroughly Linux-only, as the Qtopia call interface differs little from
that of Qt, and the apps need not die. There is a rather clear path for
Qtopia apps to evolve to cross-platform apps. So really it looks like
it is bad news mainly for Qtopia.
For years I thought Qtopia was self contradictory, as it restricts
cross-platform GUI capability to a specific platform. But it seems that
those who wrote Qtopia apps will have a soft landing. Eventually those
apps can evolve to be used on any of several kinds of Linux (or other
OS!) on smartphones and MIDs, while their users can load the data onto
their home PCs and use the data with the same apps on Linux, Mac, or
Windows. It didn't make sense to me until now, but it represents
Trolltech thinking ahead by putting an abstraction layer between the GUI
app and the embedded OS, even though the layer is not exactly distinct
and its existence is not even obvious to the casual observer.
This is related to the theme I mentioned about a week ago, that there
may be many projects on a cross-platform development path, even though
they are available so far for only one or two of the three major
platforms. Certainly we can name a few projects that are known to be on
that development course.
3) Qtopia's demise is the smaller story here: Qt is now LGPL. It looks
like Nokia may be making good on its "Qt everywhere" slogan.
We may look back and see that that is the biggest Linux story of the year.
Sinister Midget
> After takin' a swig o' grog, Erik Funkenbusch belched out
> this bit o' wisdom:
>> Gee... dated at least 6 days ago.. I wonder how Roy "missed" this bit of
>> Linux news?
>>
>> Or could it be that Roy only publishes "news" he thinks is positive about
>> Linux, or negative about Microsoft or Novell? Nah, that can't be it.. that
>> would be biased and unethical for a so called "journalist".
>
> You and Tim are pretty slow on the uptake, hmmm?
>
> Everyone else knows Roy wears his heart on his sleeve, and they account for
> it and move forward.
"Advocacy" doesn't require anyone to focus on the negative news of what
they're advocating, although bad or unfavorable news should be
mentioned at least some of the time. It can also be expected that some
(many) shots will be taken at those putting obstacles in the way of
what one advocates.
Ewik and Timmy will never learn that on Sesame Street. Nor will
$MONOPOLY explain it to them. They should find a responsible adult to
try telling them what "advocacy" means.
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Hadron
It's a mixed message. Removing "Linux only" is not a bad thing.
This is a GREAT opportunity for developers to learn a skill which is
cross platform and so can help to get Linux on the desktop.
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Hadron
Well, well. As if its not Creepy Chris "Mmmm'ing" and sucking up to his
Master Roy.
Heel Liarmutt! "Heel" I say!
<flips Liarmutt another doggy drop>
Only in sycophant world is telling lies known as wearing ones heart on
ones sleeve. Hint to the masses - they are NOT the same thing at all.
Matt
> Erik Funkenbusch <er...@despam-funkenbusch.com> writes:
>
>> On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 21:32:59 -0500, Matt wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4824952673.html?kc=rss
>>>
>>>> [Updated Mar. 4] -- Nokia-owned Qt Software is shipping Qt 4.5, a
>>>> cross-platform library now available under a commerce-friendly LGPL
>>>> license. Additionally, Qt launched a new cross-platform IDE (integrated
>>>> development environment) and SDK,
> This is a GREAT opportunity for developers to learn a skill which is
> cross platform and so can help to get Linux on the desktop.
We can agree on some important point for once.
It is a great opportunity just as buying Trolltech stock a couple years
ago was. (I called that one too. :-) )
Roy Schestowitz
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____/ Chris Ahlstrom on Friday 10 April 2009 11:31 : \____
I clearly remember posting about it. ErikFu is lying.
- --
~~ Best of wishes
"If you can’t make it good, at least make it look good."
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Doctor Smith
> Everyone else knows Roy wears his heart on his sleeve, and they account for
> it and move forward.
Yea, and his head up his ass along with yours, Liarmutt.
How do you live with yourself?
Doctor Smith
Amazing isn't it?
Liarmutt is now writing poetry to his hero Roy/Racine Schestowitz.
It's creepy alright.
I wonder if Chris Ahlstrom has a shrine to Roy/Racine Schestowitz in his
bedroom like Jason in the Friday 13th movies.
Creepy.
Doctor Smith
> It's a mixed message. Removing "Linux only" is not a bad thing.
It's known as wanting to get market share.
> This is a GREAT opportunity for developers to learn a skill which is
> cross platform and so can help to get Linux on the desktop.
It's also great seeing sand rubbed in Schestowitz's wounds.
Matt
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> ____/ Chris Ahlstrom on Friday 10 April 2009 11:31 : \____
>
>> After takin' a swig o' grog, Erik Funkenbusch belched out
>> this bit o' wisdom:
>>
>>> On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 21:32:59 -0500, Matt wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4824952673.html?kc=rss
>>>>
>>>>> [Updated Mar. 4] -- Nokia-owned Qt Software is shipping Qt 4.5, a
>>>>> cross-platform library now available under a commerce-friendly LGPL
>>>>> license. Additionally, Qt launched a new cross-platform IDE (integrated
>>>>> development environment) and SDK, and said it would discontinue the
>>>>> Linux-only Qt Extended stack (formerly "Qtopia").
>>> Gee... dated at least 6 days ago.. I wonder how Roy "missed" this bit of
>>> Linux news?
>>>
>>> Or could it be that Roy only publishes "news" he thinks is positive about
>>> Linux, or negative about Microsoft or Novell? Nah, that can't be it.. that
>>> would be biased and unethical for a so called "journalist".
>> You and Tim are pretty slow on the uptake, hmmm?
>>
>> Everyone else knows Roy wears his heart on his sleeve, and they account for
>> it and move forward.
>
> I clearly remember posting about it. ErikFu is lying.
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/5b663da9270c017d?hl=en
You also posted it ca. 03/03/2009 08:05 PM, but somehow I can't find
that post through google groups.
If Erik can't tell the difference between March and April, it might be a
stretch to say that he is lying about whether you posted this.
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> Hadron wrote:
>> Erik Funkenbusch <er...@despam-funkenbusch.com> writes:
>>
>>> On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 21:32:59 -0500, Matt wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4824952673.html?kc=rss
>>>>
>>>>> [Updated Mar. 4] -- Nokia-owned Qt Software is shipping Qt 4.5, a
>>>>> cross-platform library now available under a commerce-friendly LGPL
>>>>> license. Additionally, Qt launched a new cross-platform IDE (integrated
>>>>> development environment) and SDK,
>
>> This is a GREAT opportunity for developers to learn a skill which is
>> cross platform and so can help to get Linux on the desktop.
>
> We can agree on some important point for once.
Except that developers have been able to use Qt all along. The new thing is
that the companies will not (as far as I can tell) have to fork over large
fees for it now.
Anyway, looks to me like Hadron is just sucking up ;->
> It is a great opportunity just as buying Trolltech stock a couple years
> ago was. (I called that one too. :-) )
What's up with this, though:
http://www.nokiausa.com/A41448079?comp=software&qt=Qt&x=0&y=0
We are sorry, but there was no search result for Qt in www.nokiausa.com
--
Q: What is the sound of one cat napping?
A: Mu.
Roy Schestowitz
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____/ Matt on Friday 10 April 2009 15:50 : \____
There was actually good news around that announcement. There was more to it
than Qtopia.
Nokia isn't stupid. It's said to be making Linux sub-notebooks -- not just
phones -- at the moment. Nokia relies on Linux.
- --
~~ Best of wishes
Roy S. Schestowitz | Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert (MCSE)
http://Schestowitz.com | GNU is Not UNIX | PGP-Key: 0x74572E8E
http://iuron.com - proposing a non-profit search engine
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Matt
> What's up with this, though:
>
> http://www.nokiausa.com/A41448079?comp=software&qt=Qt&x=0&y=0
>
> We are sorry, but there was no search result for Qt in www.nokiausa.com
Try your search here instead;
http://nokia.taleo.net/careersection/10120/jobsearch.ftl?lang=en
On the first page I get:
>
> Senior Software Engineer
> US-Mountain View
> Devices
> Job Posting:08/Apr/09
>
> Apply
> |Add to My Job Cart
>
>
> Professional Services Engineer - QT Software
> US-Redwood City, NO-Oslo, AU-Brisbane
> Devices
> Job Posting:07/Apr/09
>
> Apply
> |Add to My Job Cart
>
>
> SW Engineer, Applications
> FI-Tampere
> Services
> Job Posting:01/Apr/09
>
> Apply
> |Add to My Job Cart
>
>
> Software Engineer - S60
> US-Burlington
> Devices
> Job Posting:27/Mar/09
>
> Apply
> |Add to My Job Cart
>
>
> Principal Engineer - S60 Mobile Browser
> US-Burlington
> Devices
> Job Posting:27/Mar/09
>
> Apply
> |Add to My Job Cart
>
>
> R&D Engineer 3 - Senior SW Engineer (D)
> US-Burlington
> Devices
> Job Posting:27/Mar/09
>
> Apply
> |Add to My Job Cart
>
>
> Sr Software Engineer
> US-Burlington
> Devices
> Job Posting:26/Mar/09
>
> Apply
> |Add to My Job Cart
>
>
> Senior Software Engineer - Concept Design and Prototyping
> US-Palo Alto
> Corporate Development Office
> Job Posting:24/Mar/09
>
> Apply
> |Add to My Job Cart
>
>
> Intern NRC
> CN-Beijing
> Corporate Development Office
> Job Posting:23/Mar/09
>
> Apply
> |Add to My Job Cart
>
>
> Senior Software Engineer - Concept Design and Prototyping
> US-Palo Alto
> Corporate Development Office
> Job Posting:17/Mar/09
>
> Apply
> |Add to My Job Cart
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> What's up with this, though:
>>
>> http://www.nokiausa.com/A41448079?comp=software&qt=Qt&x=0&y=0
>>
>> We are sorry, but there was no search result for Qt in www.nokiausa.com
>
> Try your search here instead;
>
> http://nokia.taleo.net/careersection/10120/jobsearch.ftl?lang=en
>
> On the first page I get:
>
>> Senior Software Engineer
>> Professional Services Engineer - QT Software
>> SW Engineer, Applications
>> Software Engineer - S60
>> Principal Engineer - S60 Mobile Browser
>> R&D Engineer 3 - Senior SW Engineer (D)
>> Sr Software Engineer
>> Senior Software Engineer - Concept Design and Prototyping
>> Intern NRC
>> Senior Software Engineer - Concept Design and Prototyping
Cool.
--
There will be big changes for you but you will be happy.
Doctor Smith
> Nokia isn't stupid. It's said to be making Linux sub-notebooks -- not just
> phones -- at the moment.
So which one of your little birdies told you that?
Erik Funkenbusch
> You and Tim are pretty slow on the uptake, hmmm?
>
> Everyone else knows Roy wears his heart on his sleeve, and they account for
> it and move forward.
Oh, I know exactly what Roy does and doesn't do. The problem is that while
Roy may "wear his heart on his sleeve", he purports to do something else.
That's called a hypocrite.
Erik Funkenbusch
> On 2009-04-10, Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@launchmodem.com> claimed:
>> After takin' a swig o' grog, Erik Funkenbusch belched out
>> this bit o' wisdom:
>
>>> Gee... dated at least 6 days ago.. I wonder how Roy "missed" this bit of
>>> Linux news?
>>>
>>> Or could it be that Roy only publishes "news" he thinks is positive about
>>> Linux, or negative about Microsoft or Novell? Nah, that can't be it.. that
>>> would be biased and unethical for a so called "journalist".
>>
>> You and Tim are pretty slow on the uptake, hmmm?
>>
>> Everyone else knows Roy wears his heart on his sleeve, and they account for
>> it and move forward.
>
> "Advocacy" doesn't require anyone to focus on the negative news of what
> they're advocating
I didn't say "focus", and Roy doesn't claim to be an "advocate". He claims
to be a "journalist". That's the difference.
Erik Funkenbusch
> I clearly remember posting about it. ErikFu is lying.
You posted about QT 4.5 shipping, but neglected to quote anything about
QTopia being discontinued.
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 07:31:09 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
I think you're confusing Roy with Microsoft's open-source policies.
--
Q: "What is the burning question on the mind of every dyslexic
existentialist?"
A: "Is there a dog?"
Doctor Smith
Schestowitz is actually more of a Microsoft advocate than a Linux one.
As for being a journalist that's even funnier.
He should write for The National Examiner/Enquirer/Star/Globe/etc.
Stuff like "Headless Body Found in Topless Bar" is right up his alley.
Or,
"Bill Gates Fathered My Alien Child"
He' probably make more money off that than he is making off his
SPAM-O-Matic machine.
Matt
As I said earlier, the quote that I posted was previously posted by Roy
twice.
Tim Smith
Erik Funkenbusch <er...@despam-funkenbusch.com> wrote:
> Or could it be that Roy only publishes "news" he thinks is positive about
> Linux, or negative about Microsoft or Novell? Nah, that can't be it.. that
> would be biased and unethical for a so called "journalist".
I haven't seen him claim to be a journalist for a while now. He's now
claiming to be a computer scientist.
--
--Tim Smith
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> In article <j2hl9bw...@funkenbusch.com>,
Looks like you care a lot more about him than we do.
--
You have an ability to sense and know higher truth.
Sinister Midget
"Journalists" can choose what they cover provided that they aren't
subject to the whims of a boss, such as an editor. Right?
Assuming a person has complete control over all of their own material:
* Can a "journalist" who covers special interest stories choose to
cover one particular area or person while ignoring the existence of
other that may be as interesting?
* Can a "journalist" cover the details of one game, or one type of
game, while making bare mention of alternatives? Should bowling or
curling get as much press as baseball, track, tennis or swimming?
* Does a "journalist" have to cover events in the Middle East,
Antarctica, Africa and Asia equally? Can one specialize in a given
area over another area?
* Do "journalists" have to cover stories about space and give that
equal footing with advances in hydroelectric power generation? Or, do
stories of advances in medicine need to equal, either in number or
impact, stories about fuel efficiency advances?
Nonetheless, whether Roy calls himself a journalist or not, he posts
pro-linux/anti-monopolist posts to a linux advocacy group. He could
call himself Mayor of Krypton for all of the difference it makes in the
types of posting and where he posts them.
Plus, Matt already pointed out that Roy covered this very thing. Twice.
Are you so behind on your reading(1) that you haven't come to those
parts yet?
(1) We know you have to read everything Roy writes and make negative
comments on as much as possible. $MONOPOLY will be displeased to
know you aren't keeping up.
--
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Doctor Smith
schestowitz
Full name
Roy Schestowitz
Location
Manchester, UK
Note
Freelance journalist @ http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> On 2009-04-10, Erik Funkenbusch <er...@despam-funkenbusch.com> claimed:
>> On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 08:22:41 -0500, Sinister Midget wrote:
>>
>>> On 2009-04-10, Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@launchmodem.com> claimed:
>>>>
>>>> You and Tim are pretty slow on the uptake, hmmm?
>>>>
>>>> Everyone else knows Roy wears his heart on his sleeve, and they account for
>>>> it and move forward.
>>>
>>> "Advocacy" doesn't require anyone to focus on the negative news of what
>>> they're advocating
>>
>> I didn't say "focus", and Roy doesn't claim to be an "advocate". He claims
>> to be a "journalist". That's the difference.
>
> "Journalists" can choose what they cover provided that they aren't
> subject to the whims of a boss, such as an editor. Right?
>
> Assuming a person has complete control over all of their own material:
>
> * Can a "journalist" who covers special interest stories choose to
> cover one particular area or person while ignoring the existence of
> other that may be as interesting?
Some people call this guy a "journalist":
http://www.sweetjesusihatebilloreilly.com/
I think it's all perfectly fair and balanced, if Roy posts an internet story
with a misleading and biased Subject line, for Erik and Tim to come in and
present their misleading and biased interpretation of the Subject line.
;->
--
When one burns one's bridges, what a very nice fire it makes.
-- Dylan Thomas
Sinister Midget
> After takin' a swig o' grog, Sinister Midget belched out
> this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> On 2009-04-10, Erik Funkenbusch <er...@despam-funkenbusch.com> claimed:
>>> On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 08:22:41 -0500, Sinister Midget wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2009-04-10, Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@launchmodem.com> claimed:
>>>>>
>>>>> You and Tim are pretty slow on the uptake, hmmm?
>>>>>
>>>>> Everyone else knows Roy wears his heart on his sleeve, and they account for
>>>>> it and move forward.
>>>>
>>>> "Advocacy" doesn't require anyone to focus on the negative news of what
>>>> they're advocating
>>>
>>> I didn't say "focus", and Roy doesn't claim to be an "advocate". He claims
>>> to be a "journalist". That's the difference.
>>
>> "Journalists" can choose what they cover provided that they aren't
>> subject to the whims of a boss, such as an editor. Right?
>>
>> Assuming a person has complete control over all of their own material:
>>
>> * Can a "journalist" who covers special interest stories choose to
>> cover one particular area or person while ignoring the existence of
>> other that may be as interesting?
>
> Some people call this guy a "journalist":
>
> http://www.sweetjesusihatebilloreilly.com/
I agree with the guy. He probably wastes too much time on the subject,
but there's nobody that I can think of that's worse than O'Reilly. I
dislike him even more than Obermann, and that's saying something!
> I think it's all perfectly fair and balanced, if Roy posts an internet story
> with a misleading and biased Subject line, for Erik and Tim to come in and
> present their misleading and biased interpretation of the Subject line.
>
> ;->
I don't have much of a problem with them doing that. But they need to
realize the rest of us have the same rights to attack their spin right
back.
It would also be helpful if they didn't knee-jerk about things Roy
already covered before, like in this thread.
--
Mistakes are ofen the stepping stones to utter failure.
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
>> http://www.sweetjesusihatebilloreilly.com/
>
> I agree with the guy. He probably wastes too much time on the subject,
> but there's nobody that I can think of that's worse than O'Reilly. I
> dislike him even more than Obermann, and that's saying something!
I'm not a big fan of Olbermann. We first saw him as a local newscaster in
L.A. We moved. Then he resurfaced at ESPN, I think. Now at MSNBC.
However, the New Yorker had a piece on him, and he did one thing I admire.
George "Dubya" Bush was stating that his refusal to play golf was a
sacrifice, a sacrifice that honored the sacrifices that our boys overseas
were making.
Olbermann wanted to tell Bush to "shut the hell up". When his bosses said,
how can you say that, he retorted "because, on TV, I can't tell him to shut
the fuck up."
--
Your lover will never wish to leave you.
Doctor Smith
>> http://www.sweetjesusihatebilloreilly.com/
>
> I agree with the guy. He probably wastes too much time on the subject,
> but there's nobody that I can think of that's worse than O'Reilly. I
> dislike him even more than Obermann, and that's saying something!
I can't stand O'Reilly but Hannity is worse by far.
O'Reilly is a lot smarter than Hannity, although equally misguided.
Hannity's show is almost exactly the same every single night.
Attack the Dems.
He comes out of the gate like a charging bull at a rodeo spewing the same
hate, night after night.
He will critize Obama's plans, personal associations (he got months out of
the Rev Wright fiasco, and is still whining about it) but at the same time
convieniently ignores the fact that the Republicans and the Bush
administration and big business got us into this mess in the first place.
Look, I don't know if Obama's plans are going to work or if they are going
to make things worse however at least he is doing *something*.
Could you imagine McCain in this situation?
That moron didn't even know how many houses he owned !!
Chances are he would deny there is even a problem.
Roy Schestowitz is correct about one thing, corporate corruption is rampant
and the people have got to take back the economy and rebuild instead of
being slaves to these robber barons.
Roy's ahead of the curve on that one and I will give him that credit.
Anyway, Hannity and O'Reilly are just poor Limbaugh clones.
I can't stand Rush either, but one thing I give him credit for is that he
is entertaining and he doesn't need an earpiece hooked to his producers to
feed him facts like Hannity does. Rush does have a medical hearing
impairment and wears a device for that.
Different thing than the coiled cord earpiece on Hannity's right ear.
Notice the camera angles where Foxnews tries to hide it.
Doctor Smith
You guys should listen to Michael Savage.....
Hahahha!
Hadron
Liarmutt would have to vacate his alley if anything else is to go right
up there.
>
> Or,
>
> "Bill Gates Fathered My Alien Child"
>
> He' probably make more money off that than he is making off his
> SPAM-O-Matic machine.
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In view of all the deadly computer viruses that have been spreading
lately, Weekend Update would like to remind you: when you link up to
another computer, you’re linking up to every computer that that
computer has ever linked up to. — Dennis Miller
Doctor Smith
Yea, we would have to chip in for counseling sessions to help poor LiarMutt
get over losing Schestowitz.
chrisv
>I didn't say "focus", and Roy doesn't claim to be an "advocate". He claims
>to be a "journalist". That's the difference.
Idiot. Show me the "journalists" who don't pick and choose stories
based on what their goals are. I sure don't recall stories during the
good times of "Thousands hired!"
chrisv
Nope. This is an *advocacy* group, dipstick.
JEDIDIAH
Journalism is dead. It has been for awhile. Anyone that thinks that
information has any more value or accuracy just because it was presented
by some schmuck with a certain sort of university degree is just kidding
themselves. Anymore, what passes for journalism is just crass pandering
or blatant corporate propaganda.
This is why blogging caught on. Anyone that knows anything about a given
subject can clearly and quickly see how "journalists" tend to get everything
wrong and do more spin doctoring than proper reporting.
--
Sure, I could use iTunes even under Linux. However, I have |||
better things to do with my time than deal with how iTunes doesn't / | \
want to play nicely with everyone else's data (namely mine). I'd
rather create a DVD using those Linux apps we're told don't exist.
Matt
> http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4824952673.html?kc=rss
>
>> [Updated Mar. 4] -- Nokia-owned Qt Software is shipping Qt 4.5, a
>> cross-platform library now available under a commerce-friendly LGPL
>> license. Additionally, Qt launched a new cross-platform IDE
>> (integrated development environment) and SDK, and said it would
>> discontinue the Linux-only Qt Extended stack (formerly "Qtopia").
>
>
>> A farewell salute is in order to one of the cornerstones of embedded
>> Linux over the last seven years: Qt's (formerly Trolltech's)
>> application stack for mobile Linux devices, Qt Extended. Formerly Qt
>> for Embedded Linux, and before that and more enduringly, Qtopia, Qt
>> Extended will be supported as a standalone stack for another year.
>>
>> Qt Software's Benoit Schillings, chief technologist, called the change
>> an "evolution," rather than a discontinuation, though. Schillings
>> commented, "A lot of Qt Extended's APIs add functionality specific to
>> a class of devices, such as adding support for Bluetooth, IP
>> telephony, or input devices like touchscreens. Today, those things
>> make sense not only in a mobile device, but in a cross-platform
>> environment. We are taking APIs and functionality specific to the
>> embedded device market and moving it into the mainstream release...
>> so, for example, you will see the Qtopia UI move to other platforms."
>>
>> Schillings shrugged off the suggestion that Nokia may wish to focus on
>> Maemo as its mobile Linux stack, commenting that Maemo has a "separate
>> identity."
>>
>> Shifting the topic back to Qtopia, Schillings elaborated, "Seven years
>> ago when we built Qtopia, there was a Linux kernel and not much on top
>> of it for embedded developers. So, it was important for someone to go
>> and build the layers that became Qt Extended."
>>
>> But the Linux community has evolved quite a bit, since then,
>> Schillings observes. Indeed it has. For example, fairly complete --
>> and completely free -- stacks like Maemo, Android, and Moblin (among
>> others) continue to mature, posing a challenge for those hoping to
>> commercialize integration efforts like Qt Extended.
>>
>> Schillings continued, "Today, being cross platform is more important.
>> We do not need to control the entire stack. We want people who write
>> Qt interfaces to be able to have the flexibility to run it on GNOME,
>> and not just KDE. In the end, this will provide a product that is more
>> coherent."
>>
>> And what about all those hundreds of Qtopia applications out there?
>> "Most Qtopia applications run on Qt functionality, so it will not be a
>> traumatic transition." Schillings continued. "It's all about adoption
>> for us. How do we get Qt everywhere? We need to remove some barriers,
>> and be more open in how we integrate with different development
>> architectures."
http://dot.kde.org/2009/03/03/qt-software-releases-lgpled-qt-45-and-creator-10-provides-sdk
(((((
> Wed, 03/04/2009 - 03:04 — yrvin
> Score: 7
> Selected Qt Extended features will be migrated to Qt X-platform
>
> Basically three things are happening.
>
> First selected features from Qt Extended will be re-factored and migrated into Qt, making it cross platform. There are several APIs as Blutetooth, IP telephony and input devices like touchscreens. Those will be available not only for Linux Embedded, but also on S60, Win CE and the different desktop systems. Things that will not be migrated into Qt are some legacy code which have little future value. This changes will not happen over night. It will take time.
>
> The added APIs in Qt will make it more easy making exiting KDE applications, reaching out to more devices with interesting input methods and connectivity. For those who may got concern that their Qt Extended/Qtopia applications will not run, they should know that most Qt Extended applications runs on Qt functionality. So it will not be a traumatic transition.
>
> Secondly there will be added more unit tests. Relevant test/demo applications will be cross platform. The plan is to also continue the "select a device profile", which let developers build a example stack of applications for different targets. This was Linux only. The plan is to make the "choose a profile" system cross platform, improving the quality of the migrated APIs.
>
> Third we are opening up for external contributions by opening up Qt repository, using Git and Gitorious. We will not ask for copyright assignment. Instead we will ask contributors to grant Qt Software rights to reuse and improve the code as a part of Qt. When opening up, we are making communication more transparent, increasing our effort with community code camps and developer gatherings.
>
> Two articles describes the transition we are in:
> # About the opening of the Qt repository in LWN
> # About future plans with Qt, a Interview with Benoit Schillings in LinuxDevices
)))))
DFS
> Ewik and Timmy will never learn that on Sesame Street. Nor will
> $MONOPOLY explain it to them. They should find a responsible adult to
> try telling them what "advocacy" means.
For cola's clownish "advocates" it means making a living with Windows by
day, then turning into whining ninnies at night.