Pissing on the Koran
Maaxx
The NEA is sending a grant to the Pentagon right now.
David Goldberg
Maaxx wrote:
According to liberals:
Soaking a Bible in piss requires government funding.
Soaking a Koran in piss is a hate crime.
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towelie
> Maaxx wrote:
>
>> It's just art. What is all the hoopla about?
>>
>> The NEA is sending a grant to the Pentagon right now.
>>
>> http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050604/D8AGK5JO0.html
>
> According to liberals:
>
> Soaking a Bible in piss requires government funding.
>
> Soaking a Koran in piss is a hate crime.
According to conservatives:
Everything is a strawman.
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Ray Fischer
>Maaxx wrote:
>> It's just art. What is all the hoopla about?
>>
>> The NEA is sending a grant to the Pentagon right now.
>>
>> http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050604/D8AGK5JO0.html
>
>According to liberals:
>
>Soaking a Bible in piss requires government funding.
>
>Soaking a Koran in piss is a hate crime.
You right-wing bigots only prove how stupid and dishonest you
are with such idiotic whining.
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lqu...@uku.co.uk
Globe about 3 weeks ago. Read it and draw your own conclusions.
wmrei...@tns.net
**
This is nuts, burning the American Flag is free speech, but abusing the
Koran is a hate crime. What is wrong with this picture??
Walt R.
Mike Painter
Nothing. Burning the flag is free speach because the law says it is.
Abusing the Koran may well be a hate crime.
It depends on the intent.
If I beat somebody up because I wanted to, it's battery. If I do it because
the person is a minority then it's a hate crime.
Liam Slider
> This is nuts, burning the American Flag is free speech, but abusing the
> Koran is a hate crime. What is wrong with this picture??
Burning the American Flag is *political speech* which is *exactly* what
our Bill of Rights was established to protect. Got a problem? Get a time
machine and go take it up with Ben Franklin or another Founding Father.
On the other hand, another thing this country has important in it's
traditions from it's founding, is religious tolerance. Religious tolerance
tends to go hand in hand with a *lack* of religious persecution. Don't
like it....well, again...
Brandon J. Van Every
I dunno, I think independent conservative talk show host Michael Savage
has a point. "Liberals aren't interested in free speech. They're
interested in *their* speech." That's his view not mine; I would add
the qualifier, "Frequently...."
I'm an independent moderate. Oddly, I have an easier time getting along
with conservatives than liberals. Is this because I expect less out of
them? Well, the extremes are annoying in both directions. Maybe I have
more problems with liberals because in Seattle, there are so many more
of them. If I moved to Texas, maybe everything would reverse.
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Douglas Berry
<nob...@nowhere.com> drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism
beanbag and drunkenly proclaimed the following
>According to liberals:
>
>Soaking a Bible in piss requires government funding.
>
>Soaking a Koran in piss is a hate crime.
OK, you're a troll, but let me explain:
You are free to soak your own books in whatever you want. The artist
to whom you are refering either bough or constructed the materials
used in the exhibit. People were free to support or not support it as
they wished. Christians were free to protest outside the galleries
where the exhibit was shown.
Now, the Bible does not have the same status in Christianity as the
Koran has in Islam. Each Koran is a holy object. Only Arabic Korans
are acceptable, translations are used only as study guides for those
learning Arabic as part of a conversion.
To abuse someone else's property, especially something that is seen as
a direct connection to their deity, is wrong.
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lqu...@uku.co.uk
> You are free to soak your own books in whatever you want.
> The artist to whom you are refering either bough or
> constructed the materials used in the exhibit. People were
> free to support or not support it as they wished.
If this is the same case that I'm thinking of it was actually a
crucifix that was in a jar of urine and not a bible. This "art" was
funded by the national endowment for the arts so people did not have a
choice to fund it or not. The funding came from NEFA which is federally
funded by taxpayer dollars.
> To abuse someone else's property (the Quran), especially
> something that is seen as a direct connection to their deity, is wrong.
And on the scale of "wrongs" is kicking a Quran better or worse than
hijacking planes and crashing them into buildings or beheading American
hostages?
Richard Cranium
<pengu...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
<<<<<Snip>>>>>
Starting with the 2008 Olympics, a new sport will be added to be known
as Allah Dumping. Contestants will piss on the Koran at various
distances and vie for the gold medal on the basis of page coverage.
Because of the difficulty in measurement and the potential unfair
advantage someone with more acidic piss may have, the event will be in
two stages on successive days. The second day event will be a stadium
event whereby each contestant will; to take a dump in the mouth of
tied-down muslims. The winner will be chosen on the basis of the
percent increase in weight of the muslim.
D-word
No, sorry, this is no Piss Christ. THAT was Art, this is the political
spin of a failed administration.
(Conservatives generally don't understand what Art is. For the
unenlightened, Piss Christ was a work of art comprised of the image of
the crucifix submerged in urine. It made a statement like few works
have in history. If it challenges your beliefs, your world-view, then
and only then are you coming to the most rudimentary understanding of
Art.)
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Ray Fischer
>Ray Fischer wrote:
>>David Goldberg <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>Maaxx wrote:
>>>
>>>>It's just art. What is all the hoopla about?
>>>>
>>>>The NEA is sending a grant to the Pentagon right now.
>>>>
>>>>http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050604/D8AGK5JO0.html
>>>>
>>>According to liberals:
>>>
>>>Soaking a Bible in piss requires government funding.
>>>
>>>Soaking a Koran in piss is a hate crime.
>>
>>You right-wing bigots only prove how stupid and dishonest you
>>are with such idiotic whining.
>>
>I dunno, I think independent conservative talk show host Michael Savage
>has a point. "Liberals aren't interested in free speech.
More demonization and bigotry. The right-wong conservatives screech
their anger at speech that they do not approve of and then have the
gall to accuse others of being intolerant of free speech.
It is hypocrisy and a lie.
>I'm an independent moderate. Oddly, I have an easier time getting along
>with conservatives than liberals. Is this because I expect less out of
>them? Well, the extremes are annoying in both directions. Maybe I have
>more problems with liberals because in Seattle, there are so many more
>of them. If I moved to Texas, maybe everything would reverse.
--
Ray Fischer
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Hey Gyra
http://www.geocities.com/abualwaffa/Holy_Koran.gif
Now be a good raghead and go apeshit, Akhmed. We can use the
entertainment ---
D-word
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
06/05/2005
at 10:12 AM, lqu...@uku.co.uk said:
>If this is the same case that I'm thinking of it was actually a
>crucifix that was in a jar of urine and not a bible. This "art" was
>funded by the national endowment for the arts so people did not have
>a choice to fund it or not. The funding came from NEFA which is
>federally funded by taxpayer dollars.
While I am not a Christian, I was appalled by that. However, flushing
a Koran down a toilet is equally appalling. And equally off topic for
comp.os.linux.advocacy.
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Mike Painter
> country. Like a book burning. Don't make it more than it is.
What country you live in?
Certainly not the USA where hate crimes are fairly well defined.
If it was just one of the pile of books you want to burn (which most people
see as refusing free speach) it probably would not be a hate crime.
If you singled it out it might and probably would be.
Larry Qualig
"Ivan" <Iv...@humpalot.com> wrote in message
news:oe8ka1pmf3dqm7e1h...@4ax.com...
> country. Like a book burning. Don't make it more than it is.
I have no idea where the respondent ever came up with "This is nuts, burning
the American Flag...." because the article does not mention that at all. I
don't know who has read the article (Why Islam is disrespected) but it makes
several excellent points. None of which has anything to do with flag burning
or hate crimes related to abusing the Koran.
Mike Painter
>
> If I took a copy of the book, crapped on it, set it on fire on my
> grill and pissed on it to put it out... all in the presence of
> officers... I would be charged with nothing more than indecent
> eposure. I guarantee it!
It would depend on why you did it. If you write obscenity on a Jewish Temple
wall you would be charged with one thing, if you put a swastika on the wall
it would be considered a hate crime.
Your concern is not with what local LEO's charge you with but what the DA or
Feds charge you with.
Daniel Kolle
>Ivan wrote:
>> On 4 Jun 2005 19:56:41 -0700, wmrei...@tns.net wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> lqu...@uku.co.uk wrote:
>>>> Here's a link to a very interesting article that appeared in the
>>>> Boston Globe about 3 weeks ago. Read it and draw your own
>>>> conclusions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2005/05/19/why_islam_is_disrespected/
>>> **
>>> This is nuts, burning the American Flag is free speech, but abusing
>>> the Koran is a hate crime. What is wrong with this picture??
>>
>> Abusing the "Koran" is just another form of free speece in this
>> country. Like a book burning. Don't make it more than it is.
>
>What country you live in?
>Certainly not the USA where hate crimes are fairly well defined.
There is no such thing as a hate crime. Only a crime.
>If it was just one of the pile of books you want to burn (which most people
>see as refusing free speach) it probably would not be a hate crime.
>If you singled it out it might and probably would be.
>
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Mike Painter
> On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 23:56:10 GMT, "Mike Painter"
> <mddotp...@sbcglobal.net> thought hard and wrote:
>
>> Ivan wrote:
>>> On 4 Jun 2005 19:56:41 -0700, wmrei...@tns.net wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> lqu...@uku.co.uk wrote:
>>>>> Here's a link to a very interesting article that appeared in the
>>>>> Boston Globe about 3 weeks ago. Read it and draw your own
>>>>> conclusions.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2005/05/19/why_islam_is_disrespected/
>>>> **
>>>> This is nuts, burning the American Flag is free speech, but abusing
>>>> the Koran is a hate crime. What is wrong with this picture??
>>>
>>> Abusing the "Koran" is just another form of free speece in this
>>> country. Like a book burning. Don't make it more than it is.
>>
>> What country you live in?
>> Certainly not the USA where hate crimes are fairly well defined.
>
> There is no such thing as a hate crime. Only a crime.
>
that there are hate crimes.
Hate Crime Sentencing Enhancement Act
(28 U.S.C 994)
Congress enacted a federal complement to state hate crime
penalty-enhancement statutes in the 1994 crime bill. This provision required
the United States Sentencing Commission to increase the penalties for crimes
in which the victim was selected "because of the actual or perceived race,
color, religion, national origin, ethnicity, gender, disability, or sexual
orientation of any person." This measure applies, inter alia, to attacks and
vandalism which occur in national parks and on federal property.
In May, 1995, the United States Sentencing Commission announced its
implementation of a three-level sentencing guidelines increase for hate
crimes, as directed by Congress. This amendment took effect on November 1,
1995.
Daniel Kolle
<mddotp...@sbcglobal.net> thought hard and wrote:
>Daniel Kolle wrote:
>> On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 23:56:10 GMT, "Mike Painter"
>> <mddotp...@sbcglobal.net> thought hard and wrote:
>>
>>> Ivan wrote:
>>>> On 4 Jun 2005 19:56:41 -0700, wmrei...@tns.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> lqu...@uku.co.uk wrote:
>>>>>> Here's a link to a very interesting article that appeared in the
>>>>>> Boston Globe about 3 weeks ago. Read it and draw your own
>>>>>> conclusions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2005/05/19/why_islam_is_disrespected/
>>>>> **
>>>>> This is nuts, burning the American Flag is free speech, but abusing
>>>>> the Koran is a hate crime. What is wrong with this picture??
>>>>
>>>> Abusing the "Koran" is just another form of free speece in this
>>>> country. Like a book burning. Don't make it more than it is.
>>>
>>> What country you live in?
>>> Certainly not the USA where hate crimes are fairly well defined.
>>
>> There is no such thing as a hate crime. Only a crime.
>>
>You'd better pass this information on to the government. They seem to think
>that there are hate crimes.
What makes a crime a hate crime? Is killing someone not a murder no
matter what? A murder is a murder. A crime is a crime. There is no
such thing as a hate crime, and I do not care if the United States
government says there are.
>Hate Crime Sentencing Enhancement Act
>(28 U.S.C 994)
>
>Congress enacted a federal complement to state hate crime
>penalty-enhancement statutes in the 1994 crime bill. This provision required
>the United States Sentencing Commission to increase the penalties for crimes
>in which the victim was selected "because of the actual or perceived race,
>color, religion, national origin, ethnicity, gender, disability, or sexual
>orientation of any person." This measure applies, inter alia, to attacks and
>vandalism which occur in national parks and on federal property.
>
>In May, 1995, the United States Sentencing Commission announced its
>implementation of a three-level sentencing guidelines increase for hate
>crimes, as directed by Congress. This amendment took effect on November 1,
>1995.
How do you prove a hate crime?
Mike Painter
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2005/05/19/why_islam_is_disrespected/>>>>>> **>>>>>> This is nuts, burning the American Flag is free speech, but>>>>>> abusing the Koran is a hate crime. What is wrong with this>>>>>> picture??>>>>>>>>>> Abusing the "Koran" is just another form of free speece in this>>>>> country. Like a book burning. Don't make it more than it is.>>>>>>>> What country you live in?>>>> Certainly not the USA where hate crimes are fairly well defined.>>>>>> There is no such thing as a hate crime. Only a crime.>>>>> You'd better pass this information on to the government. They seem>> to think that there are hate crimes.>> What makes a crime a hate crime? Is killing someone not a murder no> matter what? A murder is a murder. A crime is a crime. There is no> such thing as a hate crime, and I do not care if the United States> government says there are.Then you are in total ignorance of what a crime is in all states exceptLouisiana.In all other states there *is no crime* unless there is a law against it.Your opinion does not matter and no, killing someone is not of necessity amurder under the law.It could be justified, it could be accidental, it could be manslaughter.>>> Hate Crime Sentencing Enhancement Act>> (28 U.S.C 994)>>>> Congress enacted a federal complement to state hate crime>> penalty-enhancement statutes in the 1994 crime bill. This provision>> required the United States Sentencing Commission to increase the>> penalties for crimes in which the victim was selected "because of>> the actual or perceived race, color, religion, national origin,>> ethnicity, gender, disability, or sexual orientation of any person.">> This measure applies, inter alia, to attacks and vandalism which>> occur in national parks and on federal property.>>>> In May, 1995, the United States Sentencing Commission announced its>> implementation of a three-level sentencing guidelines increase for>> hate crimes, as directed by Congress. This amendment took effect on>> November 1, 1995.>> How do you prove a hate crime?You read the part that says "because of the actual or perceived race,color, religion, national origin, ethnicity, gender, disability, or sexualorientation of any person." and charge the person accordingly. Theprosecution has the job of proving it to the judge or a jury.
Daniel Kolle
<mddotp...@sbcglobal.net> thought hard and wrote:
Like hell am I attempting to read this. If you do it again, however...
Mike Painter
Not my doing but it's not particularly hard to read.
Mike Painter
> all that crap either!
>
> Nice technique!
Not my doing but it's not hard to read through and the essence of it is the
answer to his question:
"How do you prove a hate crime?"
You read the part that says "because of the actual or perceived
race,color, religion, national origin, ethnicity, gender, disability, or
sexual orientation of any person." and charge the person accordingly. The