OT: Gerry Rafferty, RIP
Homer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkS169P_Eeo (Baker Street)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sedPivIxfM (Right Down the Line)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMAIsqvTh7g (Stuck in the Middle)
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> A sad farewell to a great musician and fellow Scot, Gerry Rafferty:
>
> http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/scots-singer-gerry-rafferty-dies-after-long-illness-age-63-1.1077979
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkS169P_Eeo (Baker Street)
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sedPivIxfM (Right Down the Line)
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMAIsqvTh7g (Stuck in the Middle)
Poor guy. The booze won.
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TomB
> A sad farewell to a great musician and fellow Scot, Gerry Rafferty:
>
> http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/scots-singer-gerry-rafferty-dies-after-long-illness-age-63-1.1077979
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkS169P_Eeo (Baker Street)
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sedPivIxfM (Right Down the Line)
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMAIsqvTh7g (Stuck in the Middle)
Such sad news. I have several Gerry Rafferty records in my vinyl
collection. Still listen to them regularly.
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> Homer wrote:
> > A sad farewell to a great musician and fellow Scot, Gerry Rafferty:
> >
> > http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/scots-singer-gerry-rafferty-dies-after-long-illness-age-63-1.1077979
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkS169P_Eeo (Baker Street)
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sedPivIxfM (Right Down the Line)
I went into an Arby's today and it was playing. Brought a tear
to my eyes. Long live the great music of the '70s.
chrisv
>I went into an Arby's today and it was playing. Brought a tear
>to my eyes.
Me too, but I thought it was the fumes from the "Horsey" sauce.
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Juan
Amen.
Music today is pathetically bad.
See Lady GaGa for details.
An Old Friend
It could be worse than Lady GaGa. This is one thing I always notice in my
music appreciation classes. Each generation trashes the following
generation's music, especially in popular music.
Another thing that I'm aware of is that we perceive music from the past
to be better ... because we tend to retain the best of the previous
generations and discard the remainder until the better parts are
rediscovered. There were a lot of unremarkable ragtime compositions in
the early 1900s; only a few dozen have really entered into the general
public consciousness. Same thing with swing bands; there were a hundred
Lester Lanin's for each Benny Goodman and Duke Ellington.
Sometimes we see computing in those terms, too. I recall my days
programming my TRS-80 Model I with fondness. To this day, TRS-80 BASIC is
the only programming language that I was ever "fluent" in. I remember
writing versions of arcade games I enjoyed playing, but couldn't afford.
I wrote versons of Crazy Climber, Pac Man, Vanguard, and original games
such as Maneuver, a simple space navigation game. I created an
Interactive Fiction game without the use of TADS or other software.
Today's computers are much more powerful, but I don't think anything will
compare to the experiences I had during my middle school years with my
TRS-80.
Juan
> On Thu, 06 Jan 2011 18:11:24 -0500, Juan wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 6 Jan 2011 20:49:57 +0000 (UTC), owl wrote:
>>
>>> Tattoo Vampire <sit...@this.computer> wrote:
>>>> Homer wrote:
>>>
>>>>> A sad farewell to a great musician and fellow Scot, Gerry Rafferty:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/scots-singer-gerry-
> rafferty-dies-after-long-illness-age-63-1.1077979
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkS169P_Eeo (Baker Street)
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sedPivIxfM (Right Down the Line)
>>>
>>> I went into an Arby's today and it was playing. Brought a tear to my
>>> eyes. Long live the great music of the '70s.
>>
>> Amen.
>> Music today is pathetically bad.
>>
>> See Lady GaGa for details.
>
> It could be worse than Lady GaGa. This is one thing I always notice in my
> music appreciation classes. Each generation trashes the following
> generation's music, especially in popular music.
It's the "my parents hate my music" syndrome.
In the late 50's it was rock and roll, in it's early years.
The 60's it was The Beatles, drug and pop culture and of course the
Stones.
The 70's it was disco, although some of the best"popular" music IMHO
was from the late 60's to the mid to late 70's.
Then we had the 80's with big hair bands, those awful DX7 sax solos
and virtually all the records sounding alike due to FM synths.
Music pretty much died in the early 90's.
And it's been downhill ever since.
RAP isn't even music IMHO.
It's noise.
Of course there are the fringe music movements like club, house,
trance, punk and the various Nirvana, Pearl Jam like clones as well.
> Another thing that I'm aware of is that we perceive music from the past
> to be better ... because we tend to retain the best of the previous
> generations and discard the remainder until the better parts are
> rediscovered. There were a lot of unremarkable ragtime compositions in
> the early 1900s; only a few dozen have really entered into the general
> public consciousness. Same thing with swing bands; there were a hundred
> Lester Lanin's for each Benny Goodman and Duke Ellington.
Goodmans "happy clarinet" style was uniqe for the time as was Glenn
Miller's scoring the reeds to have the lead instead of the horns.
That was quite radical back then.
I percieve some music from the past as being better and some being
worse.
I would have been miserable growing up with the likes of Pat Boone
singing big band and light jazz tunes as popular music.
No wonder the kids went crazy when Chuck Berry, Bill Haley and
others came along and rescued popular music from eternal boredom.
> Sometimes we see computing in those terms, too. I recall my days
> programming my TRS-80 Model I with fondness. To this day, TRS-80 BASIC is
> the only programming language that I was ever "fluent" in. I remember
> writing versions of arcade games I enjoyed playing, but couldn't afford.
> I wrote versons of Crazy Climber, Pac Man, Vanguard, and original games
> such as Maneuver, a simple space navigation game. I created an
> Interactive Fiction game without the use of TADS or other software.
I used to lug around a TEAC 1/4 inch R2R tape deck to a local church
where they had a beautiful Baldwin grand and excellent acoustics.
I would turn it on, and play until the tape ran out.
My home piano was an old converted player piano.
It had a nice sound but the acoustics were bad and it recorded
terribly.
I graduated to TASCAM and later Otari and Scully gear some of which
I still have.
And then computer sequencers, MIDI and so forth came on the scene.
Atari ST etc.
Sometimes I wonder if I wasn't more productive back then compared to
now where I have a beautiful studio, pretty much state of the art
and can click an icon and insert a vocal processor that would have
cost me $2000.00 alone back in 1975, in 1975 dollars.
Needless to say I was using MXR, dbx and spring reverbs instead of
Dolby A and Lexicon plates etc back then.
Putting together a professional studio back then required an
investment of at least, bare minimum of $50k.
Today, it can be done to some degree for $1000.00 and the results
will be better in terms of noise, distortion and editing capability.
That's part of the problem with today's music.
Every idiot has a studio and thinks he/she is an artist.
They squash the dynamics out of the music so it plays loud on the
radio.
> Today's computers are much more powerful, but I don't think anything will
> compare to the experiences I had during my middle school years with my
> TRS-80.
It's the nostalgia effect.
This topic comes up on pro music and audio boards all the time and
the general consensus is that yes, each generation has had it's
favorites and technically nothing has really changed in good vs bad
music. However most agree that today's music is some of the worst in
this century.
It's right down there with Pat Boone.
Homer
> On Thu, 06 Jan 2011 18:11:24 -0500, Juan wrote:
>> On Thu, 6 Jan 2011 20:49:57 +0000 (UTC), owl wrote:
>>> Tattoo Vampire <sit...@this.computer> wrote:
>>>> Homer wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> A sad farewell to a great musician and fellow Scot, Gerry
>>>>> Rafferty:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/scots-singer-gerry-rafferty-dies-after-long-illness-age-63-1.1077979
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkS169P_Eeo (Baker Street)
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sedPivIxfM (Right Down the Line)
>>>
>>> I went into an Arby's today and it was playing. Brought a tear to
>>> my eyes. Long live the great music of the '70s.
>>
>> Amen.
>> Music today is pathetically bad.
>>
>> See Lady GaGa for details.
>
> It could be worse than Lady GaGa. This is one thing I always notice in
> my music appreciation classes. Each generation trashes the following
> generation's music, especially in popular music.
That may be true for some people, but not for me.
Some of my favourite music from every era since the 1920s:
1920s: Jazz, e.g. Louis Armstrong
1930s: Blues, e.g. Robert Johnson
1940s: Swing, e.g. Frank Sinatra
1950s: Rock 'n' Roll, e.g. Chuck Berry
1960s: Folk, e.g. Bob Dylan
1970s: Rock, e.g. Led Zeppelin
1980s: New Wave, e.g. The Police
1990s: Britpop, e.g. The Verve
2000s: Alternative rock, e.g. Kings of Leon
2010s: Garage revival, e.g. The Black Keys
Every era has its great music.
I think it's more a case that as people get older their priorities
change, and they tend to expose themselves less to new things, due to
a general sense of apathy and complacency (old dogs, new tricks).
There's also the fact that the "popularity" of music has more to do with
promotion than actual taste. As with so many other things, sheeple tend
to "like" what they're told to by marketing indoctrination. Or IOW it's
nothing personal, it's just business. The problem is that music should
be personal, if nothing else. If more people made the effort to look
beyond the hype, they might be surprised at how much great music is
really out there.
That's why my musical tastes tend to become more "indie" as time goes
on, because mainstream music is just a supermarket filed with "products"
these days, and I want music, not "products". Idiots like Gene Simmons
are actually killing music, by trying to protect it as an "industry",
rather than promoting it as an essential part of our culture. If he
spent more time talking about music, and less time talking about money
and copyrights, then maybe more people would be motivated to actually
buy some of it.
Coincidentally, I hear HMV suffered a 14% drop in sales over what should
have been its most lucrative period (Christmas), and a consequential
drop of 25% on its share price. Now they're talking about closing 60
shops in the UK. They're dismissing this as an anomaly due to bad
weather, like we've never had a bad winter before (LOL). That's what the
music "industry" gets for being greedy and ruthless, it just puts people
off.
> Another thing that I'm aware of is that we perceive music from the
> past to be better ... because we tend to retain the best of the
> previous generations and discard the remainder until the better parts
> are rediscovered. There were a lot of unremarkable ragtime
> compositions in the early 1900s; only a few dozen have really entered
> into the general public consciousness. Same thing with swing bands;
> there were a hundred Lester Lanin's for each Benny Goodman and Duke
> Ellington.
I couldn't guess at the numbers, and it's all rather subjective anyway,
but I'm willing to bet there were just as many shit songs in the above
eras as there are today. Consider cringe-classics like Formby's "When
I'm Cleaning Windows" (30s), up to the God-awful pulp produced by Stock,
Aitken and Waterman in the 80s - so bad it's attained cult status (e.g.
being Rickrolled). Suddenly Lady Gaga seems tame by comparison.
> Sometimes we see computing in those terms, too. I recall my days
> programming my TRS-80 Model I with fondness. To this day, TRS-80 BASIC
> is the only programming language that I was ever "fluent" in. I
> remember writing versions of arcade games I enjoyed playing, but
> couldn't afford. I wrote versons of Crazy Climber, Pac Man, Vanguard,
> and original games such as Maneuver, a simple space navigation game. I
> created an Interactive Fiction game without the use of TADS or other
> software.
>
> Today's computers are much more powerful, but I don't think anything
> will compare to the experiences I had during my middle school years
> with my TRS-80.
I have very fond memories of early systems like the Amiga too, until I
remember that none of it was Free Software, which sort of takes the
shine off it. Quite a lot of it was inappropriately labelled "Public
Domain", but was actually just freeware (no source). They were certainly
very interesting times, although they would have been far more
interesting if more people had published their source code.
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