Eudora 7 and Windows 10 -do they work?

[csmdave]

a new PC is sraig me in the face and this is one of my questions.
My son is after me to go Apple -how does Eudora work with Apple?

csmdave

[Ajo Wissink]

Eudora works fine in Windows 10.

Apple has changed its operating system after the last release of the
Mac version of Eudora. That means that you cannot use Eudora on an
Apple computer.

[bigbil...@gmail.com]

On Thursday, 20 August 2015 23:53:06 UTC+1, Ajo Wissink wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 14:55:39 -0700 (PDT), csmdave
> <d.he...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >a new PC is sraig me in the face and this is one of my questions.
> >My son is after me to go Apple -how does Eudora work with Apple?
> >
> >csmdave
>
> Eudora works fine in Windows 10.
>

I find E crashes when I try to install it in 10. Any advice please?

[bigbil...@gmail.com]

I sorted it, just installed it all into one folder. Works fine then. Simples! :-)

[Paul Christensen]

I just upgraded to Win 10 from Win 7. I have used Eudora 7.1.0.9. for years because of it's flexibility for my uses. I want to keep the app.

Here are some issues I have found:
Problems clicking links in emails - appears Win 10 is preventing links from working with none Microsoft browsers. Edge and IE work. Chrome and Firefox do not (when chosen as default

browser). I have to copy the link and paste it into Chrome.

Email attachment links will not open as they did in Win 7. I can get around this one if I right click open with and have the needed app in the list, but it's a hassle.

mailto: links work in Eudora.

Also all of the hyperlinks work in other apps like Office. In other words non Eudora apps are using the OS default for the operation.

I would sure like to know if others are having these issues and if there are any fixes

[cowcowatc...@gmail.com]

Thanks Paul for sharing this information. I am going from Windows XP to Windows 7 and want to install Eudora which I have been using since the beginning so it is great to hear that you have had it working well with that combination. I am sorry you are having trouble using it with 10. Hopefully someone else will now how to solve this.

[iantr...@gmail.com]

This is how I got Eudora 7 to work with Windows 10:

How to run Eudora v7 on Windows 10
http://goo.gl/yOdRZA

It does not require re-installation of Eudora 7, and appears to run and store data in /Program Files/eudora

[johnsa...@gmail.com]

I think that one problem people may be having is user data is in the program files folder. Windows 10 may not like that. But also, Windows 10 installation deleted the address of the file folder where I keep the Eudora data files (mailboxes, folders, .ini file, attachments.) from the shortcut which starts the program I had the data in a folder outside the program files folder -- in another drive, in fact. Once I restored the address in the shortcut to Eudora, it worked. The shortcut that works looks like this: "C:\Program Files (x86)\Qualcomm\Eudora\Eudora.exe" "d:\eudora_data\"

[lem...@gmail.com]

I tried one suggestion
> Use Windows Explorer to set Eudora to: Run as Administrator
which did nothing.
Then I edited the shortcut that calls Eudora to Run as Administrator, and that does work,

[T...@t-bonham.net]

Last night (2018-09-26) I updated to the latest version of Windows 10 (version 1803, build 17134.320).

Suddenly all the links in email messages don't open a webpage in my browser (Chrome 69).

Anybody else seen this problem?
And anyone have a solution?

[gnuarm.del...@gmail.com]

My Eudora still will open things in a browser. It is getting mailto: links in the browser to open an email in Eudora that doesn't work. Seems there is no way to get Windows to recognize Eudora as a proper email program.

Rick C.

[Ajo Wissink]

On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 19:39:41 -0700 (PDT), T...@t-bonham.net wrote:

>Last night (2018-09-26) I updated to the latest version of Windows 10 (version 1803, build 17134.320).
>
>Suddenly all the links in email messages don't open a webpage in my browser (Chrome 69).
>
>Anybody else seen this problem?

Yes, that seems to be one of the "features" of Windows 10 updates. It
happens to quite a few people.

>And anyone have a solution?

Simple. Open Control Panel and reset the default program for your
browsing.

--

Ajo Wissink

[T...@t-bonham.net]

Well, today it works again -- clicking on a link in a Eudora email opens that link in Chrome browses.

Things I did since then:
- ran Windows Update again; it found a couple more patches that it downloaded & applied.
- re-booted my machine.
- re-did my default programs, to specify Eudora for email & Chrome for webpages (it said that those were the settings I already had, but I re-specified them anyway).
- re-booted my machine again.

I don't know which, if any, of those actions fixed it, but it now works again!

[gnuarm.del...@gmail.com]

I expect it was the third step, setting your defaults.

When it isn't working, what does it do? Does it open a different browser or nothing at all?

Rick C.

[T...@t-bonham.net]

When it didn't work, nothing happened. It did not open a webpage in Chrome (or any other browser), did not show an error message, just no response.

I fear that someday I may have to stop using Eudora, when an OS update makes it unworkable. What do I switch to then?
I'm leaning toward Thunderbird. I really would like to retain the 23 years (90,000 email messages that I have saved.

[Larc]

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 17:10:17 -0700 (PDT), T...@t-bonham.net wrote:

| When it didn't work, nothing happened. It did not open a webpage in Chrome (or any other browser), did not show an error message, just no response.
|
| I fear that someday I may have to stop using Eudora, when an OS update makes it unworkable. What do I switch to then?
| I'm leaning toward Thunderbird. I really would like to retain the 23 years (90,000 email messages that I have saved.

That can be done. Google to find and then install Thunderbird 31.6.0 with Eudora
still installed. That is the last version that enabled switchover from Eudora. When
it's installed, simply upgrade to the latest Thunderbird (currently 52.9.1). Once
you are sure everything you wanted to keep was saved, you can uninstall Eudora. It
worked great for me.

Larc

[Piet]

Ajo Wissink wrote:
> T...@t-bonham.net wrote:
>> Last night (2018-09-26) I updated to the latest version of Windows 10
>> (version 1803, build 17134.320).
>> Suddenly all the links in email messages don't open a webpage in my
>> browser (Chrome 69).
>> Anybody else seen this problem?
>
> Yes, that seems to be one of the "features" of Windows 10 updates.
> It happens to quite a few people.

Quite a few? How do you know?
The Win update to 1803/17134.32 didn't affect my Eudore: clicking
a link in an e-mail starts my default browser as before. Whether
that's due to my browser being PaleMoon, not Chrome, I don't know.

>> And anyone have a solution?
>
> Simple. Open Control Panel and reset the default program for your
> browsing.

If that's the problem, clicking on .htm/.html files in the windows
manager wouldn't open (in) the browser either. Easily checked.

-p

[Piet]

Larc wrote:

> T...@t-bonham.net wrote:
> | I fear that someday I may have to stop using Eudora, when an OS update
> | makes it unworkable. What do I switch to then? | I'm leaning toward
> | Thunderbird. I really would like to retain the 23 years (90,000 email
> | messages that I have saved.
>
> That can be done. Google to find and then install Thunderbird 31.6.0 with
> Eudora still installed. That is the last version that enabled switchover
> from Eudora. When it's installed, simply upgrade to the latest Thunderbird
> (currently 52.9.1). Once you are sure everything you wanted to keep was
> saved, you can uninstall Eudora. It worked great for me.

I tried it long ago. It was such a horrendous disaster that I gave up.
As of yet Eudora still works like a charm for me, under Win 7, 8, 10.
I do use Thunderbird too, but only for news. For mail it doesn't even
pass my man-or-boy test: the group or list syntax that was already
present in RFC822. Eudora handles that just fine. And Thunderbird
doesn't even come close to the configuration and parametrization
possibilities of Eudora, in particular by means of its .ini file(s).

-p

[Larc]

It was an intensive process getting Thunderbird set up properly. But once I did, it
has been working quite satisfactorily. I do miss Eudora a bit, but not the problems
I had once I started using multiple Gmail addresses (problems were more extensive
than Stunnel could fix). Windows keeps moving on while Eudora stands still. It's
all too clear what that means for Eudora's future unless somebody steps in and
modernizes it.

BTW, I don't use Thunderbird for news, but Agent.

Larc

[gnuarm.del...@gmail.com]

On Sunday, September 30, 2018 at 8:10:18 PM UTC-4, Timothy M Bonham wrote:
> When it didn't work, nothing happened. It did not open a webpage in Chrome (or any other browser), did not show an error message, just no response.
>
> I fear that someday I may have to stop using Eudora, when an OS update makes it unworkable. What do I switch to then?
> I'm leaning toward Thunderbird. I really would like to retain the 23 years (90,000 email messages that I have saved.

I can't explain your problem. I click on a link in an email and it opens the default browser under Win 10 which for me is Firefox always. Sometimes it also brings up a dialog asking if I want to open an app and offers to look in the store. If I try to do a search on selected text it brings up an error web page. Or I can send the email to the browser which first opens a dialog box... but none of these fail with no indication.

I used to use Codewright as an editor, but at some point it stopped working and I can no longer get it to work. So I guess software does eventually break.

Rick C.

[Piet]

Larc wrote:

> Piet wrote:
> | Larc wrote:
> | > T...@t-bonham.net wrote:
> | > | I fear that someday I may have to stop using Eudora, when an OS update
> | > | makes it unworkable. What do I switch to then? | I'm leaning toward
> | > | Thunderbird. I really would like to retain the 23 years (90,000 email
> | > | messages that I have saved.
> | >
> | > That can be done. Google to find and then install Thunderbird 31.6.0 with
> | > Eudora still installed. That is the last version that enabled switchover
> | > from Eudora. When it's installed, simply upgrade to the latest Thunderbird
> | > (currently 52.9.1). Once you are sure everything you wanted to keep was
> | > saved, you can uninstall Eudora. It worked great for me.
> |
> | I tried it long ago. It was such a horrendous disaster that I gave up.
> | As of yet Eudora still works like a charm for me, under Win 7, 8, 10.
> | I do use Thunderbird too, but only for news. For mail it doesn't even
> | pass my man-or-boy test: the group or list syntax that was already
> | present in RFC822. Eudora handles that just fine. And Thunderbird
> | doesn't even come close to the configuration and parametrization
> | possibilities of Eudora, in particular by means of its .ini file(s).
>
> It was an intensive process getting Thunderbird set up properly.

It wasn't/isn't just a matter of setting up. A basic problem of Thunderbird
as mail client is that it tries to combine the official RFC-defined Internet
world with Microsoft's self-invented world. Although it isn't self-invented
in the true sense of the word: MS failed to make the transition to Internet
mail and got stuck in the past. That was in the 80's when I used Unix with
(non-RFC-conformant) delivermail and switched to (RFC-conformant) sendmail.

> But once I did, it has been working quite satisfactorily.

You're lucky. I never got that far, and loosing 10 years or so of mail, and
in particular attachments, wasn't an option and thus a showstopper.

> I do miss Eudora a bit

I can imagine why...

> but not the problems

Eudora (i.e. Eudora 7) does have some problems, in particular a very nasty
race condition, but I've found a workaround that I can live with.

> I had once I started using multiple Gmail addresses

I don't and won't use gmail and similar services. I have several accounts
with a "normal" provider that I'm very happy with, and I'm using literally
dozens of e-mail addresses. And it all works fine with Eudora.

> than Stunnel could fix). Windows keeps moving on while Eudora stands still.

True. But as yet I don't see an equally flexible serious alternative.

> It's all too clear what that means for Eudora's future unless somebody steps
> in and modernizes it.

Agreed. But I may not live long enough to see that happen. And with "happen"
I don't mean just modernization in the sense of alpha or beta versions, but
a truly usable modernized version. So as long as Eudora works I'll use it.

-p

[Piet]

Jim H wrote:

> Piet wrote:
>> Eudora (i.e. Eudora 7) does have some problems, in particular a very
>> nasty race condition, but I've found a workaround that I can live with.
>

> What is the race condition and its workaround... please?

A situation where Eudora constantly and unstoppably keeps connecting
to the mailservers and trying to sync (IMAP) or fetch (POP) messages.
And if you close Eudora with its window's x, there's a fair chance
that Eudora crashes (which means having to remove OWNER.LOK before
you can start it again).
The workaround is simple: set File / Work offline before you close
Eudora and unset it after starting Eudora (again).

An odd thing of Eudora is that it connects to IMAP servers right
after you've started it, even if you've unchecked "Check Mail" for
all IMAP accounts. Don't know if it's related to the race condition.

-p

[Piet]

Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
> A proper IMAP account has all your mailboxes on the server itself, not
> local. IMAP clients may create copies of the contents for off-line work

It may do so, yes, but I'm glad Eudora and my Android smartphone's mailer
do maintain copies. In particular the latter means I can read messages in
any place without having to be connected.

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Message_Access_Protocol
> """
> When using IMAP4, clients often stay connected as long as the user
> interface is active and download message content on demand
> """

Yeah, you're right. Completely forgot about that. Must be the age. ;-)

-p

[Todd]

On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 4:56:11 AM UTC-5, Piet wrote:
> Larc wrote:
...

> Eudora (i.e. Eudora 7) does have some problems, in particular a very nasty
> race condition, but I've found a workaround that I can live with.

...

Hi! I am switching from Win 7 to Win 10. Going to try to keep Eudora 7.1.0.9. Can you say a little more about the race condition and what you did?

Also, about once a week I have to manually add a new Server certificate to access gmail. Do you have that problem? Workaround?

THANKS!!!

[gnuarm.del...@gmail.com]

I was thinking it's a good thing I don't use gmail because of the issues people have with Eudora. But then I realized I DO use gmail. But I use it in combination with my own domain. Some time ago I started routing all my emails through gmail for the spam filtering. I let gmail forward the mail back to a common account in my domain that I use to pick up the email using Eudora.

If you have a domain you could try that. In your case you just set gmail to forward rather than using POP3 and pick it up from an email address at your domain or through the email provided by your ISP.


Rick C.

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[Ajo Wissink]

Rick, I don't know if you have heard of the Hermes team who are
working on a new version of Eudora. They have posted a new QCSSL.dll
that eliminates the need for manual approval for new certificates. I
have been using it for about 6 months and it works perfectly. You can
download it here: https://sourceforge.net/projects/hermesmail/

The install instructions are quite bad, but you will be fine if you
just copy and paste 4 files in the program directory (replacing them)
and run the vcredist.exe file to install the Microsoft Visual C++
Redistributble. If you have that file already the installer will say
so.
(To be safe make a backup copy of the program folder first).

--
Ajo Wissink

[Timothy M Bonham]

I've using Eudora (7.1.0.9 Sponsored) with Windows 10 (now version 1809) for several months now, with no serious problems. It seems to work fine.

I've had the problem that brought me here (clicking on a link in an email doesn't bring up that page in my browser (Chrome), nothing happens) re-occur 2 or 3 times since then. Seems to occur after a Windows 10 update.

The solution that works for me is just to go into Windows default programs and reset Eudora as the default email program. It will already show Eudora as the default; I set it to something else and then re-set it to Eudora. Then shutting down & re-starting Eudora and now it works. (Sometimes I have re-booted Windows in the meantime, but I'm not sure that is really necessary.)

I've never noticed the race condition that Piet mentioned. Nor do I have any problems with Server certificates.

[lswh...@gmail.com]

Is anyone on this forum in the San Diego area? I need a person to come to my location. I need Eudora 7.1.0.9 installed on Windows 10. I have Eudora files, folders going back to late 1990’s. Too much history lose.
Thank you.