On 11/14/2016 1:49 AM, Rod Pemberton wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 23:01:36 -0500
> rickman <
gnu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 11/12/2016 6:01 PM, WJ wrote:
>>>
menti...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>>> It is unthinkable that a sexual
>>>> predator like Donald "Grab 'em by
>>>> the pussy" Trump will actually take
>>>> office,
>>>
>>> Liar.
>>>
>>> Many, if not most, men talk that way in locker rooms. Not being a
>>> man, you wouldn't know that.
>>
>> Uh, what Trump talked about was not just "locker room" talk of what
>> he *wanted* to do to women, but what he *had* done to women. BIG
>> difference. Many women have already come out to accuse him of
>> exactly these criminal acts.
>>
>
> If I had said much the same in regards to Bill Clinton,
So you acknowledge that if these things are true about Trump he is a
criminal?
> and I do
> believe that I could justifiably say the EXACT same thing about Bill
> Clinton, you (and any other liberal or progressive for that matter)
> would say:
>
> 1) it was just boastful talk
> 2) there is no proof he has done anything
> 3) his accusers are liars and profiteers
> 4) he's not a criminal until charged and found guilty
> 5) he's the victim of a vast conspiracy from the opposite side
>
> So, I don't believe there is any real point to your counter-point to
> WJ. You're entitled to your opinion, but it's bigoted and
> hypocritical, since you don't also find fault with Bill Clinton for the
> exact same thing.
Why bring up Bill Clinton when discussion Trump? I don't think there is
anything about Bill Clinton that is relevant to Trump. If there is a
connection I missed it.
>>> Clinton, who is apparently a serial rapist, has already
>>> held office.
>>>
>>> Why aren't you whining about that? You have no morals
>>> and no honesty whatsoever.
>>
>> If he is a rapist, why hasn't he been charged?
>
> Conservatives would say, "cover-up." Liberals would say, "debunked" or
> "no evidence."
Who would be covering it up? Don't you think there are plenty of people
in power who would love to bring down Bill Clinton? If there was
evidence why are his enemies so inept in bringing it to the forefront?
>> Trump has been accused
>
> And, Bill Clinton has numerous accusers too. Why do you believe
> Trump's accusers, but not Clinton's? That would seem to be the key
> issue here. Even Hillary, who is widely believed to have been involved
> in numerous sex scandal cover-ups for Bill, said, "“I want to send a
> message to every survivor of sexual assault: Don’t let anyone silence
> your voice. You have the right to be heard. You have the right to be
> believed, and we’re with you.” Of course, in an apparent admission of
> her guilt, Hillary's campaign removed those words when a few Bill's
> past accusers came out of the woodwork.
You keep changing the topic. Bill Clinton is not relevant to Trump.
Stick to the topic. So are you saying Trump should be prosecuted if
there is evidence?
>>>> even after stealing the
>>>> election from the winner of the
>>>> popular vote.
>>>
>>> The powers that be used massive vote-fraud against Trump.
>>> It has been well known for years that vote-scamming
>>> is common in America.
>>
>> Really? Why is it there is no evidence?
>
> The media wanted Hillary to win so badly, that the media repeatedly
> made the following false claims:
>
> 1) Hillary was in the lead by a wide or substantial margin
> 2) Hillary's rallies weren't empty, but packed
> 3) Trump had almost no path to victory
> 4) Hillary had the minority vote and millennial vote
> 5) Trump supporters were ignorant, blue-collar workers
Most of this was opinion rather than fact, so it is not surprising they
were wrong? As to the factual statements, what rallies were "empty"?
Why do you say Hillary Clinton didn't have the minority vote?
Some of this is not really worth discussing because if you really
believe Hillary Clinton did not had the minority vote, for example, you
have to be in denial.
None of this is vote fraud. Can you stick to the topic?
> It can be reasonably argued that the overwhelming expectation that
> Hillary would win suppressed Trump voter turnout, i.e., giving them no
> reason to vote when Trump was so far behind. Now, to be fair, I also
> happen to believe that the media lies also suppressed Hillary voter
> turnout too, i.e., giving them no reason to vote when she was so far in
> the lead. Personally, I think Hillary may have won without the media
> interference, even with some additional voters supporting Trump. The
> numbers of potential voters are heavily on her side, like 8% more.
>
> Given the media suppression of voters, I believe that the "Comey
> effect" boosted Trump's voters and reduced Hillary's, but that Trump
> still would've won without the "Comey effect," albeit just barely.
What is your point regarding all this?
You have drifted completely off topic though. My comment was in reply
to "The powers that be used massive vote-fraud against Trump." Do you
know anything about this?
>> If there is evidence, why
>> has nothing been done to charge those who are guilty? I expect you
>> will talk about how the conspiracy is too big... funny how it didn't
>> result in Hillary winning...
>
> As stated above, I think Hillary might've won, under the correct
> circumstances.
What does that have to do with the alleged "conspiracy"? Are you
suggesting it is clear there was *no* conspiracy?
>>>> There is such a storm
>>>> of nationwide protest coming
>>>
>>> "nationwide"? The USA is obviously not a nation.
>>> A nation is composed of people who are genetically
>>> similar.
>>
>> ???
>
> Does WJ hail from Germany? e.g., Nazi's wanted a pure race nation.
I don't know where WJ is from, but he is clearly a racist and to such an
extent that I expect he is not all there. To be so phobic about a group
of people who display no real threat is clearly paranoia.
>>> "I would hesitate to describe America as a nation at all in 1997,
>>> because it is something very different: a polyethnic federation
>>> administered by a single ruling class.... [T]he accumulated rot in
>>> America has now reached a point where the pillars of society itself
>>> are failing." --- Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
>>>
>>> Most of the protesting will be orchestrated by Jews.
>>
>> Oh yes, I forgot how insane you are...
>
> The billionaire George Soros is a Jew. He is known to instigate
> revolutions which have actually overthrown governments.
Uh, the fact that one Jew does anything in particular does not establish
anything remotely like a link between the Jews as a group and that act.
> I'm not sure
> whom the other Jews are to which WJ is referring, but you can find many
> wealthy Jews in U.S. industries like media, newspapers, Hollywood, and
> diamonds.
I believe you can also find many wealthy Catholics, Protestants and
atheists. What's your point?
> So, it's really not so far fetched that this is just
> conspiracy talk.
Yes, it is. If you can't see that you have to be deluded or an idiot.
Really? You can't see there is no Jewish conspiracy?
> Are some of the other billionaires who supported
> Hillary Jewish? Yes, they are. Of the billionaire's listed by Fortune
> as supporting Hillary, six out of twelve (or 50%) are Jewish: George
> Soros, Michael Bloomberg, Sheryl Sandberg, Seth Klarman, Haim Saban,
> and J.B. Pritzker. Now, I'm not saying any of this to promote hatred or
> anti-Semitism, as just as many non-Jewish billionaires supported
> Hillary in that article, but clearly, you must admit that there is some
> trivial correlation. Only 2.2% of the U.S. population is Jewish.
I find it interesting that you feel Clinton does not have minority
support and yet you claim some sort of conspiracy by a minority group to
get her elected??? So which is it, no minority support or a huge
minority support?
The fact that members of a minority group who have money money supported
the Presidential candidate who was not a racist and critical of many
minority groups is not at all surprising. Why can't you see that.
There is no conspiracy, it is just common sense that minorities were
largely opposed to Trump. Same with women, Trump did very poorly with
most women because of all the things he said about them and the way he
treated women.
I'm not going to continue to debate these things with you. If you
really believe even half of what you have written, you are very much out
of touch with reality and nothing I can say will change that.
--
Rick C