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forth has to be better than oracle this is ridiculous
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trump...@gmail.com
Nov 7, 2017, 3:07:03 PM11/7/17
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working with oracle is hell
what a hack
this lousy pos needs to be cut out like cancer!
its hell
down with ellison
jail him
what a hack
this lousy pos needs to be cut out like cancer!
its hell
down with ellison
jail him
dxf...@gmail.com
Nov 8, 2017, 2:48:03 AM11/8/17
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Mark Wills
Nov 8, 2017, 6:34:19 AM11/8/17
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Indeed. He seems to be under the impression that Forth is a relational SQL database.
trump...@gmail.com
Nov 8, 2017, 9:31:27 AM11/8/17
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couldnt u program a solution in gforth using all those Tb of ram n disk?
and have something that works fast?
and it durible n reliable?
trump...@gmail.com
Nov 8, 2017, 9:32:36 AM11/8/17
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On Wednesday, November 8, 2017 at 6:34:19 AM UTC-5, Mark Wills wrote:
> Indeed. He seems to be under the impression that Forth is a relational SQL database.
are u a history major?
> Indeed. He seems to be under the impression that Forth is a relational SQL database.
you read things, and make arbitrary and incorrect conclusions, then claim someone else is stupid based on your erroneous thoughts... never getting that you are the idiot
remember monarchy if kept would have made rent and prices 1000x lower by now
dxf...@gmail.com
Nov 8, 2017, 10:47:31 PM11/8/17
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It was called VP-Planner. All it got for its
trouble was a lawsuit and an early end.
trump...@gmail.com
Nov 9, 2017, 4:28:49 PM11/9/17
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I bet forth was faster n smaller and easier to evolve.
Rudy Velthuis
Nov 9, 2017, 5:20:28 PM11/9/17
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I assume you did not get a mauve one? The mauve ones are the best.
--
Rudy Velthuis http://www.rvelthuis.de
"Success usually comes to those who are too busy to be looking
for it" -- Henry David Thoreau (1817-1862)
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Rudy Velthuis http://www.rvelthuis.de
"Success usually comes to those who are too busy to be looking
for it" -- Henry David Thoreau (1817-1862)
trump...@gmail.com
Nov 10, 2017, 1:10:34 PM11/10/17
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lol
palladium rpg 1st edition is best
trump...@gmail.com
Nov 10, 2017, 1:11:28 PM11/10/17
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On Thursday, November 9, 2017 at 5:20:28 PM UTC-5, Rudy Velthuis wrote:
think about it
thinnnk about itttt
gavino himself
Nov 14, 2017, 10:55:47 AM11/14/17
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create common sense categories
u savages
gavino himself
Nov 14, 2017, 10:57:27 AM11/14/17
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:)
lower gov spending to 1% of GDP
0 tax to export
0 to import
charge merchants to guard trade ship and jet
end pub school, fed, pensions, shrink profession, teacher professor lawyer judge profession, and allow rent to fall from unregulated housing, getting rid of insurance incustry
lsng....@gmail.com
Nov 16, 2017, 3:53:19 AM11/16/17
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Here's a new theory of mine, called the "laws of graph composition":
1. A composite graph has more than one nodes. Each node has one or more edges.
2. A simple graph has one and only one node, which may have one or more edges.
3. A composite graph is formed by connecting multiple simple graphs.
While the above may seem intuitive enough, I wonder if anyone can point to publications which expressed them?
Now here is the twist: in 1960, Dijkstra etc were developing on Algo, which is by definition a "composite graph programming language" or "composite graph language", in which a typical statement is parsed as a composite graph. This became the starting point of the subsequent "third generation programming language". I propose that "composite graph language" be a more rigorous and formal name.
At the same time, Dijkstra formalized the reverse polish notation, which eventually evolved to programming languages like Forth, which by the definition above, are "simple graph (programming) language(s)" (SGL) -- each statement is parsed as a "one node multiple edges" graph. The plural form of SGL is indeed unnecessary, as SGL may vary only in the position of the function (e.g. LISP, Unix command line: function precedes arguments. Forth, reverse polish notation: function suffixes arguments.)
By the third law of the laws of graph composition: i.e.
3. A composite graph is formed by connecting multiple simple graphs.
An SQL statement can in fact be parsed into multiple Forth statement.
In fact, Forth can translate into SQL, or any "composite graph languages".
Please visit the following website for a demonstration of 5GL (the Fifth Generation Graph Language) for a demonstration of how JavaScript and PHP are translated / parsed using a Forth-like simple graph language:
http://5gl.epizy.com/zhongwen/glv.html
Also, 5GL implements "Unicode arbitrary alias" -- a function (defined using Latin coded programming language) can be arbitrarily aliased into any Unicode names -- eliminating non-Latin programmers the need to use Latin script altogether. This might be breakthrough for the developing countries.
1. A composite graph has more than one nodes. Each node has one or more edges.
2. A simple graph has one and only one node, which may have one or more edges.
3. A composite graph is formed by connecting multiple simple graphs.
While the above may seem intuitive enough, I wonder if anyone can point to publications which expressed them?
Now here is the twist: in 1960, Dijkstra etc were developing on Algo, which is by definition a "composite graph programming language" or "composite graph language", in which a typical statement is parsed as a composite graph. This became the starting point of the subsequent "third generation programming language". I propose that "composite graph language" be a more rigorous and formal name.
At the same time, Dijkstra formalized the reverse polish notation, which eventually evolved to programming languages like Forth, which by the definition above, are "simple graph (programming) language(s)" (SGL) -- each statement is parsed as a "one node multiple edges" graph. The plural form of SGL is indeed unnecessary, as SGL may vary only in the position of the function (e.g. LISP, Unix command line: function precedes arguments. Forth, reverse polish notation: function suffixes arguments.)
By the third law of the laws of graph composition: i.e.
3. A composite graph is formed by connecting multiple simple graphs.
An SQL statement can in fact be parsed into multiple Forth statement.
In fact, Forth can translate into SQL, or any "composite graph languages".
Please visit the following website for a demonstration of 5GL (the Fifth Generation Graph Language) for a demonstration of how JavaScript and PHP are translated / parsed using a Forth-like simple graph language:
http://5gl.epizy.com/zhongwen/glv.html
Also, 5GL implements "Unicode arbitrary alias" -- a function (defined using Latin coded programming language) can be arbitrarily aliased into any Unicode names -- eliminating non-Latin programmers the need to use Latin script altogether. This might be breakthrough for the developing countries.
gavino himself
Nov 16, 2017, 9:05:23 AM11/16/17
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foxaudio...@gmail.com
Nov 29, 2017, 8:38:39 PM11/29/17
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On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 3:53:19 AM UTC-5, lsng....@gmail.com wrote:
I understand your text above from a "possibilities" perspective, but I don't
see all that on your web site.
Is there a place to see source code or documentation.
I see the sub-directory is called Zhongwen (chinese) but there is no chinese written. I need more to understand what you are trying to tell us here.
Liang Ng
Nov 30, 2017, 3:29:30 AM11/30/17
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I will post the latest documentation here during the weekend.
The code has been constantly updated. So I did not bother to update the documentation until someone asked for it.
Thank you for the interests.
Sorry for the inconvenience.
The code has been constantly updated. So I did not bother to update the documentation until someone asked for it.
Thank you for the interests.
Sorry for the inconvenience.
Liang Ng
Nov 30, 2017, 3:40:52 AM11/30/17
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Rod Pemberton
Nov 30, 2017, 4:40:37 PM11/30/17
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to Usenet. Google Groups censors email addresses, by replacing most
of the address with three dots. I'm assuming you were referring to the
two different email addresses on the posts in this thread from you:
lsng....@gmail.com
lsn...@gmail.com
Rod Pemberton
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wrong.
Coos Haak
Nov 30, 2017, 6:44:42 PM11/30/17
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Op Thu, 30 Nov 2017 16:42:06 -0500 schreef Rod Pemberton:
> You posted through Google Groups to Usenet instead of posting directly
> to Usenet. Google Groups censors email addresses, by replacing most
> of the address with three dots. I'm assuming you were referring to the
> two different email addresses on the posts in this thread from you:
>
<snipped>
<snipped>
>
>
> Rod Pemberton
Why do you tell the obvious?
In Google Groups one can simply click on the
dotted email addresses, say you aren't a robot
and voilà, the full string.
groet Coos
> You posted through Google Groups to Usenet instead of posting directly
> to Usenet. Google Groups censors email addresses, by replacing most
> of the address with three dots. I'm assuming you were referring to the
> two different email addresses on the posts in this thread from you:
>
<snipped>
>
>
> Rod Pemberton
Why do you tell the obvious?
In Google Groups one can simply click on the
dotted email addresses, say you aren't a robot
and voilà, the full string.
groet Coos
Liang Ng
Dec 1, 2017, 6:13:58 AM12/1/17
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Open http://5gl.epizy.com/zh/glv.html
Enter the following commands in the text area (text box) and press Execute:
gl_camera.rotation.x 0.1 +=: >: cube:
This will rotate the camera slightly on x axis and display a cube.
I think Turtle Logo is all above motion and rotation. Three.js has a comprehensive set of functions for this. The next step is how to map 5gl to three.js commands, so that it can be as easy as the good old Logo.
I believe I have done a bit of ground work for this. What is required next is more programmers extend my code.
5GL commands are suffixed by colon ( : )
+= adds arg2 to arg1 and assign the new value to arg1.
>: is a directive to set subsequent commands to back end processing.
cube: is a macro stored in file s_cube, which draws a cube with JavaScript functions specified in it.
You can view the contents by s_cube using:
>: fi:
fi: maps to PHP file().
You can view all aliases (functions) using:
>: t_alias fi:
The w: command is very dangerous as it can overwrite any file or subdirectory in the PHP directory.
>: ls u: lists all files using PHP system() function.
u: is dangerous as it executed PHP system().
There are some json and array manipulation commands.
The code structure for PHP 5gl interface is more polished than JavaScript. Someone or myself need to port this structure over to JavaScript.
Further, they can be easily ported to other programming language. I call this the "abstract syntax tree decomposition": to decompose abstract syntax tree (height>1) of composite tree programming languages to primitive or unity syntax tree (height <= 1).
Charles Moore called it the FoUrth generation programming language.
I thought primitive tree programming language, or unity tree programming language, would be a better academic term for future discussions.
Your opinions?
Enter the following commands in the text area (text box) and press Execute:
gl_camera.rotation.x 0.1 +=: >: cube:
This will rotate the camera slightly on x axis and display a cube.
I think Turtle Logo is all above motion and rotation. Three.js has a comprehensive set of functions for this. The next step is how to map 5gl to three.js commands, so that it can be as easy as the good old Logo.
I believe I have done a bit of ground work for this. What is required next is more programmers extend my code.
5GL commands are suffixed by colon ( : )
+= adds arg2 to arg1 and assign the new value to arg1.
>: is a directive to set subsequent commands to back end processing.
cube: is a macro stored in file s_cube, which draws a cube with JavaScript functions specified in it.
You can view the contents by s_cube using:
>: fi:
fi: maps to PHP file().
You can view all aliases (functions) using:
>: t_alias fi:
The w: command is very dangerous as it can overwrite any file or subdirectory in the PHP directory.
>: ls u: lists all files using PHP system() function.
u: is dangerous as it executed PHP system().
There are some json and array manipulation commands.
The code structure for PHP 5gl interface is more polished than JavaScript. Someone or myself need to port this structure over to JavaScript.
Further, they can be easily ported to other programming language. I call this the "abstract syntax tree decomposition": to decompose abstract syntax tree (height>1) of composite tree programming languages to primitive or unity syntax tree (height <= 1).
Charles Moore called it the FoUrth generation programming language.
I thought primitive tree programming language, or unity tree programming language, would be a better academic term for future discussions.
Your opinions?
Kerr-Mudd,John
Dec 1, 2017, 6:45:49 AM12/1/17
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Liang Ng <lsn...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:ad2f7c54-3113-417d...@googlegroups.com:
> Open http://5gl.epizy.com/zh/glv.html
document.getElementById('jsbin-javascript').outerHTML e:
Execute rpn
document.getElementById('jsbin-javascript').outerHTML e
>
> Enter the following commands in the text area (text box) and press
> Execute:
>
> gl_camera.rotation.x 0.1 +=: >: cube:
>
gl_camera.rotation.x 0.1 +=: >: cube:
Execute rpn
[">"," cube_r.js fi"," j","\n"]2017-12-01 06:45:13 _:
gl_camera.rotation.x 0.1 +=: >: cube: _:
[["gl_camera.rotation.x","0.1","+="],null] _: "scene=gl_scene;\n\n var
cubeGeometry = new THREE.BoxGeometry(4, 4, 4);\n var cubeMaterial = new
THREE.MeshBasicMaterial({color: 0xff0000, wireframe: true});\n var cube =
new THREE.Mesh(cubeGeometry, cubeMaterial);\n \n \n \/\/ use g: in 5gws
to detect 5gl commands here.\n\n \/\/ position the cube\n \/\/ 20170824
5th GLAVA\n \/\/ 20170905 use # to escape :\n \/\/ read keywords until
end#\n \n \/\/ cube position wrc#\n cube.position.x = -4;\n
cube.position.y = 3;\n cube.position.z = 0;\n \n \/\/ end# marking?\n \/
\/ Server returns false if invalid, else true.\n\n \/\/ add the cube to
the scene\n scene.add(cube);\n \ngl_renderer.render(gl_scene, gl_camera);
\n"
I must be missing something. SRware Iron (Chrome) 49
news:ad2f7c54-3113-417d...@googlegroups.com:
> Open http://5gl.epizy.com/zh/glv.html
document.getElementById('jsbin-javascript').outerHTML e:
Execute rpn
document.getElementById('jsbin-javascript').outerHTML e
>
> Enter the following commands in the text area (text box) and press
> Execute:
>
> gl_camera.rotation.x 0.1 +=: >: cube:
>
Execute rpn
[">"," cube_r.js fi"," j","\n"]2017-12-01 06:45:13 _:
gl_camera.rotation.x 0.1 +=: >: cube: _:
[["gl_camera.rotation.x","0.1","+="],null] _: "scene=gl_scene;\n\n var
cubeGeometry = new THREE.BoxGeometry(4, 4, 4);\n var cubeMaterial = new
THREE.MeshBasicMaterial({color: 0xff0000, wireframe: true});\n var cube =
new THREE.Mesh(cubeGeometry, cubeMaterial);\n \n \n \/\/ use g: in 5gws
to detect 5gl commands here.\n\n \/\/ position the cube\n \/\/ 20170824
5th GLAVA\n \/\/ 20170905 use # to escape :\n \/\/ read keywords until
end#\n \n \/\/ cube position wrc#\n cube.position.x = -4;\n
cube.position.y = 3;\n cube.position.z = 0;\n \n \/\/ end# marking?\n \/
\/ Server returns false if invalid, else true.\n\n \/\/ add the cube to
the scene\n scene.add(cube);\n \ngl_renderer.render(gl_scene, gl_camera);
\n"
I must be missing something. SRware Iron (Chrome) 49
Liang Ng
Dec 1, 2017, 7:47:24 AM12/1/17
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Please see the screenshots here:
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/5gl-examples-%E4%BC%8D%E6%A8%91%E7%9B%9B-%E5%8D%9A%E5%A3%AB-liang-ng-ph-d-/?published=t
On Friday, 1 December 2017 19:45:49 UTC+8, Kerr-Mudd,John wrote:
> Liang Ng <lsn...@gmail.com> wrote in
>
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/5gl-examples-%E4%BC%8D%E6%A8%91%E7%9B%9B-%E5%8D%9A%E5%A3%AB-liang-ng-ph-d-/?published=t
On Friday, 1 December 2017 19:45:49 UTC+8, Kerr-Mudd,John wrote:
> Liang Ng <lsn...@gmail.com> wrote in
>
Liang Ng
Dec 1, 2017, 7:48:27 AM12/1/17
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Please see the screenshots here:
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/5gl-examples-%E4%BC%8D%E6%A8%91%E7%9B%9B-%E5%8D%9A%E5%A3%AB-liang-ng-ph-d-/?published=t
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/5gl-examples-%E4%BC%8D%E6%A8%91%E7%9B%9B-%E5%8D%9A%E5%A3%AB-liang-ng-ph-d-/?published=t
Rod Pemberton
Dec 2, 2017, 7:35:49 PM12/2/17
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On Fri, 1 Dec 2017 00:44:41 +0100
Coos Haak <htr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Op Thu, 30 Nov 2017 16:42:06 -0500 schreef Rod Pemberton:
> > You posted through Google Groups to Usenet instead of posting
> > directly to Usenet. Google Groups censors email addresses, by
> > replacing most of the address with three dots. I'm assuming you
> > were referring to the two different email addresses on the posts in
> > this thread from you:
> <snipped>
> <snipped>
> >
>
Coos Haak <htr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Op Thu, 30 Nov 2017 16:42:06 -0500 schreef Rod Pemberton:
> > You posted through Google Groups to Usenet instead of posting
> > directly to Usenet. Google Groups censors email addresses, by
> > replacing most of the address with three dots. I'm assuming you
> > were referring to the two different email addresses on the posts in
> > this thread from you:
> <snipped>
> <snipped>
> >
>
> Why do you tell the obvious?
> In Google Groups one can simply click on the
> dotted email addresses, say you aren't a robot
> and voilà, the full string.
>
Because, you *cannot* click on the dotted email address on Usenet.
> In Google Groups one can simply click on the
> dotted email addresses, say you aren't a robot
> and voilà, the full string.
>
They've been replaced with dots. I.e., Google Groups has censored
the addresses when sending messages out to Usenet.
Rudy Velthuis
Dec 3, 2017, 7:47:27 AM12/3/17
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"I am enclosing two tickets to the first night of my new play;
bring a friend... if you have one."
-- George Bernard Shaw to Winston Churchill
"Cannot possibly attend first night, will attend second... if
there is one." - Winston Churchill, in response.
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