Ping Ed Mullen

[Jonathan N. Little]

Hey Ed your CAPTCHA form sux! I tried contacting you since you are a
SeaMonkey user too and after countless tries failed every time. It sure
is effect at stopping spam, and everything else! I use a totally
different method *without* CAPTCHA that been 100% effect and no user
CAPTCHA or hoops to jump.

Anyway the sort of OT messages was:


I know you too are a long-time SeaMonkey user and wonder if you are
experiencing the same thing. Recently now if a drag URL shortcut to the
desktop it is now displaying the ol' Windows blank unknown file icon. Of
course it use to show the site's favicon or SeaMonkey's if the site had
none. While debugging this I have found the URL file generated does
include a link to a cache icon:

[InternetShortcut]
URL=http://edmullen.net/contact_ej.php
IDList=
HotKey=0
IconFile=C:\Users\Jonathan\AppData\Local\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\########.default\shortcutCache\1NyoXeptztBu3E++8vZK8A==.ico
IconIndex=0

Checking the shortcutCache folder the 1NyoXeptztBu3E++8vZK8A==.ico file
does exist, but it an empty zero-byte file. If I manually download your
your favicon and rename and place it in my cache folder the shortcut
instantly updates so it doesn't seem to be an iconHandler issue with the
URL filetype, but the mechanism in SeaMonkey that is borked. Looking at
the file dates the change appears to have occurred after December 5.
After the 5th all icon file are zero-byte. I have Firefox for testing
and it seems also afflicted. Interestingly, PaleMoon , a 64-bit
non-Australis version of Firefox does still create proper cached icons.
Are you seeing the same thing as I? (Oops there is an update to
PaleMoon) maybe I spoke too soon about PaleMoon. Well if it breaks after
the update it shall be telling.


Maybe someone else has some insight, so far my googling has not.

--
Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

[Ed Mullen]

Jonathan N. Little wrote on 12/18/2014 12:07 PM:
> Hey Ed your CAPTCHA form sux! I tried contacting you since you are a
> SeaMonkey user too and after countless tries failed every time. It sure
> is effect at stopping spam, and everything else!

Odd. The contact form CAPTCHA isn't working but another form on the
site IS. Sigh. Happened once before. Now all I have to do is remember
how I fixed it!

I use a totally
> different method *without* CAPTCHA that been 100% effect and no user
> CAPTCHA or hoops to jump.

I'm always willing to try something else. Let me know how you handle it
if you'd be so kind.

>
> Anyway the sort of OT messages was:
>
>
> I know you too are a long-time SeaMonkey user and wonder if you are
> experiencing the same thing. Recently now if a drag URL shortcut to the
> desktop it is now displaying the ol' Windows blank unknown file icon. Of
> course it use to show the site's favicon or SeaMonkey's if the site had
> none. While debugging this I have found the URL file generated does
> include a link to a cache icon:
>
> [InternetShortcut]
> URL=http://edmullen.net/contact_ej.php
> IDList=
> HotKey=0
> IconFile=C:\Users\Jonathan\AppData\Local\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\########.default\shortcutCache\1NyoXeptztBu3E++8vZK8A==.ico
>
> IconIndex=0
>
> Checking the shortcutCache folder the 1NyoXeptztBu3E++8vZK8A==.ico file
> does exist, but it an empty zero-byte file.

Hmm. I have disk and memory caches turned off here. Don't know if that
would affect this. BTW, where is the shortcutCache folder?

> If I manually download your
> your favicon and rename and place it in my cache folder the shortcut
> instantly updates so it doesn't seem to be an iconHandler issue with the
> URL filetype, but the mechanism in SeaMonkey that is borked. Looking at
> the file dates the change appears to have occurred after December 5.
> After the 5th all icon file are zero-byte. I have Firefox for testing
> and it seems also afflicted. Interestingly, PaleMoon , a 64-bit
> non-Australis version of Firefox does still create proper cached icons.
> Are you seeing the same thing as I? (Oops there is an update to
> PaleMoon) maybe I spoke too soon about PaleMoon. Well if it breaks after
> the update it shall be telling.
>
>
> Maybe someone else has some insight, so far my googling has not.
>

I see the same thing here with SM 2.31, FF 35.0B4, and Pale Moon 24.7.0.
Opera and Safari create an icon that displays the SeaMonkey logo.

I think I've maybe created a URL shortcut this way once! And that was
quite awhile ago.

I'll post this on the Mozilla support forums and see if anyone knows
what's up.

--
Ed Mullen
http://edmullen.net/
I just got a physical and asked the doctor, "How do I stand?" He said,
"That's what puzzles me!"

[Jonathan N. Little]

Ed Mullen wrote:
> Jonathan N. Little wrote on 12/18/2014 12:07 PM:
>> Hey Ed your CAPTCHA form sux! I tried contacting you since you are a
>> SeaMonkey user too and after countless tries failed every time. It sure
>> is effect at stopping spam, and everything else!
>
> Odd. The contact form CAPTCHA isn't working but another form on the
> site IS. Sigh. Happened once before. Now all I have to do is remember
> how I fixed it!
>
>
> I use a totally
>> different method *without* CAPTCHA that been 100% effect and no user
>> CAPTCHA or hoops to jump.
>
> I'm always willing to try something else. Let me know how you handle it
> if you'd be so kind.

Quite simple but effective. On your form create an extra field with a
typically REQUIRED field. You form does not have a "userid" so that
would be a good choice. If you needed a userid field then change the
name of your field so something else. Then in your stylesheet make the
"userid" field not display


input#userid { display: none; }

Then have your receiving script in pseudo-code here:

Does POST[userid] have a value ?

If NO then
we have a human so send message
Else
we have a robot
log it if you wish
dump message
End If

Bots may support JavaScript, but they do not support CSS. It is the odd
human that surfs with CSS disable or with a non-supporting browser. So a
human will never see the field to put in a value. Bots over the years I
have found always put in a email address.

Simple and works. And doesn't frustrate the bejeebers out of your human
users.

>
>>
>> Anyway the sort of OT messages was:
>>
>>
>> I know you too are a long-time SeaMonkey user and wonder if you are
>> experiencing the same thing. Recently now if a drag URL shortcut to the
>> desktop it is now displaying the ol' Windows blank unknown file icon. Of
>> course it use to show the site's favicon or SeaMonkey's if the site had
>> none. While debugging this I have found the URL file generated does
>> include a link to a cache icon:
>>
>> [InternetShortcut]
>> URL=http://edmullen.net/contact_ej.php
>> IDList=
>> HotKey=0
>> IconFile=C:\Users\Jonathan\AppData\Local\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\########.default\shortcutCache\1NyoXeptztBu3E++8vZK8A==.ico
>>
>>
>> IconIndex=0
>>
>> Checking the shortcutCache folder the 1NyoXeptztBu3E++8vZK8A==.ico file
>> does exist, but it an empty zero-byte file.
>
> Hmm. I have disk and memory caches turned off here. Don't know if that
> would affect this. BTW, where is the shortcutCache folder?

I showed you.

C:\Users\Ed\AppData\Local\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\########.default\shortcutCache

Of course I do not know what your profile salt is.

>
>> If I manually download your
>> your favicon and rename and place it in my cache folder the shortcut
>> instantly updates so it doesn't seem to be an iconHandler issue with the
>> URL filetype, but the mechanism in SeaMonkey that is borked. Looking at
>> the file dates the change appears to have occurred after December 5.
>> After the 5th all icon file are zero-byte. I have Firefox for testing
>> and it seems also afflicted. Interestingly, PaleMoon , a 64-bit
>> non-Australis version of Firefox does still create proper cached icons.
>> Are you seeing the same thing as I? (Oops there is an update to
>> PaleMoon) maybe I spoke too soon about PaleMoon. Well if it breaks after
>> the update it shall be telling.
>>
>>
>> Maybe someone else has some insight, so far my googling has not.
>>
>
> I see the same thing here with SM 2.31, FF 35.0B4, and Pale Moon 24.7.0.
> Opera and Safari create an icon that displays the SeaMonkey logo.

Mine use to show the favicon. A google search would have a G, eBay their
logo, mine LWS. Now all I get is a Windows Unknown File ico. And all the
ICOs in the cache folder recently created are zero-files.

>
> I think I've maybe created a URL shortcut this way once! And that was
> quite awhile ago.
>
> I'll post this on the Mozilla support forums and see if anyone knows
> what's up.
>

I sue to monitor them long ago, I guess I should resubscribe.

[Ed Mullen]

Thanks. I will ponder this in the light of the morning.

>>
>>>
>>> Anyway the sort of OT messages was:
>>>
>>>
>>> I know you too are a long-time SeaMonkey user and wonder if you are
>>> experiencing the same thing. Recently now if a drag URL shortcut to the
>>> desktop it is now displaying the ol' Windows blank unknown file icon. Of
>>> course it use to show the site's favicon or SeaMonkey's if the site had
>>> none. While debugging this I have found the URL file generated does
>>> include a link to a cache icon:
>>>
>>> [InternetShortcut]
>>> URL=http://edmullen.net/contact_ej.php
>>> IDList=
>>> HotKey=0
>>> IconFile=C:\Users\Jonathan\AppData\Local\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\########.default\shortcutCache\1NyoXeptztBu3E++8vZK8A==.ico
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> IconIndex=0
>>>
>>> Checking the shortcutCache folder the 1NyoXeptztBu3E++8vZK8A==.ico file
>>> does exist, but it an empty zero-byte file.
>>
>> Hmm. I have disk and memory caches turned off here. Don't know if that
>> would affect this. BTW, where is the shortcutCache folder?
>
> I showed you.
>
> C:\Users\Ed\AppData\Local\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\########.default\shortcutCache
>

Umm, that path does not exist on my system. No idea where you conjured
that up.

>
> Of course I do not know what your profile salt is.
>

There is no user "Ed" on my system.

>>
>>> If I manually download your
>>> your favicon and rename and place it in my cache folder the shortcut
>>> instantly updates so it doesn't seem to be an iconHandler issue with the
>>> URL filetype, but the mechanism in SeaMonkey that is borked. Looking at
>>> the file dates the change appears to have occurred after December 5.
>>> After the 5th all icon file are zero-byte. I have Firefox for testing
>>> and it seems also afflicted. Interestingly, PaleMoon , a 64-bit
>>> non-Australis version of Firefox does still create proper cached icons.
>>> Are you seeing the same thing as I? (Oops there is an update to
>>> PaleMoon) maybe I spoke too soon about PaleMoon. Well if it breaks after
>>> the update it shall be telling.
>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe someone else has some insight, so far my googling has not.
>>>
>>
>> I see the same thing here with SM 2.31, FF 35.0B4, and Pale Moon 24.7.0.
>> Opera and Safari create an icon that displays the SeaMonkey logo.
>
> Mine use to show the favicon. A google search would have a G, eBay their
> logo, mine LWS. Now all I get is a Windows Unknown File ico. And all the
> ICOs in the cache folder recently created are zero-files.
>
>>
>> I think I've maybe created a URL shortcut this way once! And that was
>> quite awhile ago.
>>
>> I'll post this on the Mozilla support forums and see if anyone knows
>> what's up.
>>
>
> I sue to monitor them long ago, I guess I should resubscribe.
>

There are very few devs in there but there are some wise users.

--
Ed Mullen
http://edmullen.net/

If there's one thing I can't stand, it's intolerance.

[Jonathan N. Little]

Ed Mullen wrote:
> Jonathan N. Little wrote on 12/18/2014 2:30 PM:
>> Ed Mullen wrote:
>>> Jonathan N. Little wrote on 12/18/2014 12:07 PM:

<snip>

>>>>
>>>> Checking the shortcutCache folder the 1NyoXeptztBu3E++8vZK8A==.ico file
>>>> does exist, but it an empty zero-byte file.
>>>
>>> Hmm. I have disk and memory caches turned off here. Don't know if that
>>> would affect this. BTW, where is the shortcutCache folder?
>>
>> I showed you.
>>
>> C:\Users\Ed\AppData\Local\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\########.default\shortcutCache
>>
>>
>
> Umm, that path does not exist on my system. No idea where you conjured
> that up.

Well It was an assumption that your user profile was Ed because usually
the first profile made is your name. I am also assuming that you are not
still on XP and have at least Vista.

XP:
C:\Documents and Settings

Vista +:
C:\Users

So if your user profile is not something generic like "Owner" then
another way to get there is with an env var:

%APPDATA%\..\Local\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\########.default\shortcutCache


You still have to adjust for the salt "########"

netscape.public.mozilla.seamonkey seems pretty dead and the only
SeaMonkey NG on my server.

[Ed Mullen]

You need to use the mozilla.org server.

mozilla.support.seamonkey is the group.

One reply from my post yesterday. His FF produced a shortcut with a
Google logo image. Same OS and FF versions as I have. Weird.

--
Ed Mullen
http://edmullen.net/

Why are builders afraid to have a 13th floor but book publishers aren't
afraid to have Chapter 11?

[Christoph M. Becker]

Ed Mullen wrote:

> One reply from my post yesterday. His FF produced a shortcut with a
> Google logo image. Same OS and FF versions as I have. Weird.

A Google logo or the Google Chrome logo? In the latter case, I suppose
he has set Chrome as his default browser.

--
Christoph M. Becker

[Ed Mullen]

No, his default is Firefox. So, the Google logo.

Now, this is really weird. I just dragged and dropped from the location
bar in both SM and FF and the shortcut's image was the favicon from the
site. Did it four times, okay. Tried it again and got the generic
Windows icon.

If I right-click the desktop and choose New - Shortcut, enter a URL, I
get the logo for SeaMonkey, my default browser.

--
Ed Mullen
http://edmullen.net/

For Sale: Parachute. Only used once, never opened, small stain.

[Christoph M. Becker]

Ed Mullen wrote:

> Christoph M. Becker wrote on 12/19/2014 12:37 PM:
>> Ed Mullen wrote:
>>
>>> One reply from my post yesterday. His FF produced a shortcut with a
>>> Google logo image. Same OS and FF versions as I have. Weird.
>>
>> A Google logo or the Google Chrome logo? In the latter case, I suppose
>> he has set Chrome as his default browser.
>>
>
> No, his default is Firefox. So, the Google logo.
>
> Now, this is really weird. I just dragged and dropped from the location
> bar in both SM and FF and the shortcut's image was the favicon from the
> site. Did it four times, okay. Tried it again and got the generic
> Windows icon.
>
> If I right-click the desktop and choose New - Shortcut, enter a URL, I
> get the logo for SeaMonkey, my default browser.

I have actually tried it myself now. When I drag an URI from Firefox's
(a secondary browser; default is Chrome) address bar to my desktop, a
blank icon is shown. The link works, but the IconFile that is created
is empty. Doesn't make much sense to create an empty file and to set it
as the IconFile of the *.URL file, IMO.

--
Christoph M. Becker

[Jonathan N. Little]

Ed Mullen wrote:
> Christoph M. Becker wrote on 12/19/2014 12:37 PM:
>> Ed Mullen wrote:
>>
>>> One reply from my post yesterday. His FF produced a shortcut with a
>>> Google logo image. Same OS and FF versions as I have. Weird.
>>
>> A Google logo or the Google Chrome logo? In the latter case, I suppose
>> he has set Chrome as his default browser.
>>
>
> No, his default is Firefox. So, the Google logo.
>
> Now, this is really weird. I just dragged and dropped from the location
> bar in both SM and FF and the shortcut's image was the favicon from the
> site. Did it four times, okay. Tried it again and got the generic
> Windows icon.
>
> If I right-click the desktop and choose New - Shortcut, enter a URL, I
> get the logo for SeaMonkey, my default browser.
>

I think you are going to find any *new* dragged shortcuts from places
where you do not have a cached icon will now give you a generic Windows
icon. If you open the shortcut with notepad, i.e., drag the shortcut to
an open notepad window you will see the shortcut's pointer to the cached
icon. If you check it I bet it will be a zero-file.

[Ed Mullen]

Well, in all of this, consider that I have all caches turned off. I
don't have (and never have had) a "shortcutCache" folder. Nor any cache
folders or files. With a fast internet connection I find no need for
them. And, doing Web dev locally it becomes tediouis to make sure I'm
looking at a freshly edited file instead of a cached one. Drove me
crazy for some time until I figured it out.

--
Ed Mullen
http://edmullen.net/

I don't get even, I get odder.

[Ed Mullen]

Thanks, I'll look into it when I can. Much appreciated.

--
Ed Mullen
http://edmullen.net/

A fool and his money are soon partying.

[Jonathan N. Little]

Ed Mullen wrote:

>
> Well, in all of this, consider that I have all caches turned off. I
> don't have (and never have had) a "shortcutCache" folder. Nor any cache
> folders or files. With a fast internet connection I find no need for
> them. And, doing Web dev locally it becomes tediouis to make sure I'm
> looking at a freshly edited file instead of a cached one. Drove me
> crazy for some time until I figured it out.
>

I have my cache off too for the same reason, development. But this is
not the same "cache". That cache is in the Cache and Cache2 folder, the
shortcutCache only contains copies of the websites favicons when a
shortcut is made.

[Jonathan N. Little]

Ed Mullen wrote:

> Jonathan N. Little wrote on 12/18/2014 2:30 PM:

>>
>> I sue to monitor them long ago, I guess I should resubscribe.
>>
>
>
> Thanks, I'll look into it when I can. Much appreciated.
>

Wow! I hope you figured out all 'dem letters where in the wrong order?
s/due/use/

[Ed Mullen]

Jonathan N. Little wrote on 12/19/2014 11:07 PM:
> Ed Mullen wrote:
>> Jonathan N. Little wrote on 12/18/2014 2:30 PM:
>
>>>
>>> I sue to monitor them long ago, I guess I should resubscribe.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks, I'll look into it when I can. Much appreciated.
>>
>
> Wow! I hope you figured out all 'dem letters where in the wrong order?
> s/due/use/
>

Looked fine to me! :-)

--
Ed Mullen
http://edmullen.net/

They show you how detergents take out bloodstains. I think if you've got
a T-shirt with bloodstains all over it, maybe your laundry isn't your
biggest problem.

[Ed Mullen]

Ed Mullen wrote on 12/23/2014 7:38 PM:
> Jonathan N. Little wrote on 12/19/2014 11:07 PM:
>> Ed Mullen wrote:
>>> Jonathan N. Little wrote on 12/18/2014 2:30 PM:
>>
>>>>
>>>> I sue to monitor them long ago, I guess I should resubscribe.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks, I'll look into it when I can. Much appreciated.
>>>
>>
>> Wow! I hope you figured out all 'dem letters where in the wrong order?
>> s/due/use/
>>
>
> Looked fine to me! :-)
>

And, BTW, all the Netscape groups have been dead for ages. The
mozilla.org "support" heirarchy is what to watch.

--
Ed Mullen
http://edmullen.net/

A flashlight is a case for holding dead batteries.

[Jonathan N. Little]

Ed Mullen wrote:
> Ed Mullen wrote on 12/23/2014 7:38 PM:
>> Jonathan N. Little wrote on 12/19/2014 11:07 PM:
>>> Ed Mullen wrote:
>>>> Jonathan N. Little wrote on 12/18/2014 2:30 PM:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I sue to monitor them long ago, I guess I should resubscribe.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, I'll look into it when I can. Much appreciated.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Wow! I hope you figured out all 'dem letters where in the wrong order?
>>> s/due/use/
>>>
>>
>> Looked fine to me! :-)
>>
>
> And, BTW, all the Netscape groups have been dead for ages. The
> mozilla.org "support" heirarchy is what to watch.
>

Posted on mozilla.support.seamonkey but no real takers...

[Ed Mullen]

Jonathan N. Little wrote on 12/23/2014 10:06 PM:
> Ed Mullen wrote:
>> Ed Mullen wrote on 12/23/2014 7:38 PM:
>>> Jonathan N. Little wrote on 12/19/2014 11:07 PM:
>>>> Ed Mullen wrote:
>>>>> Jonathan N. Little wrote on 12/18/2014 2:30 PM:
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I sue to monitor them long ago, I guess I should resubscribe.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, I'll look into it when I can. Much appreciated.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wow! I hope you figured out all 'dem letters where in the wrong order?
>>>> s/due/use/
>>>>
>>>
>>> Looked fine to me! :-)
>>>
>>
>> And, BTW, all the Netscape groups have been dead for ages. The
>> mozilla.org "support" heirarchy is what to watch.
>>
> Posted on mozilla.support.seamonkey but no real takers...
>

What was the Subject line? I didn't notice a post from you there.

Oh! Wait. Did you subscribe via your Usent provider? Or create an
account at the news.mozilla.org server? Two different things. Use the
news.mozilla.org server or it's all screwed up. The mozilla news server
is copied by some Usenet servers but Mozilla does NOT propogate to
Usenet. It is a private server. So, while the groups /may/ appear in
public servers they are not up to date and cannot be relied upon.

Only use news.mozilla.org and subscribe to the variouis groups there.

And if the damned weather alert radio goes off again I'm probably gonna
have a heart attack!

Storms in Atlanta. Crap! It's POURING down rain right now! Lightning.
Thunder. At least I haven't heard the tornado sirens go off ... yet.

Oh well. At least it's not snow or ice. Thta's why I moved here from
the northeast. I got real tired of shovelling my weather.

--
Ed Mullen
http://edmullen.net/

"An ounce of practice is worth more than tons of preaching." - Mohandas
Gandhi

[Jonathan N. Little]

Ed Mullen wrote:
> Jonathan N. Little wrote on 12/23/2014 10:06 PM:
>> Ed Mullen wrote:
>>> Ed Mullen wrote on 12/23/2014 7:38 PM:
>>>> Jonathan N. Little wrote on 12/19/2014 11:07 PM:
>>>>> Ed Mullen wrote:
>>>>>> Jonathan N. Little wrote on 12/18/2014 2:30 PM:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I sue to monitor them long ago, I guess I should resubscribe.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks, I'll look into it when I can. Much appreciated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Wow! I hope you figured out all 'dem letters where in the wrong order?
>>>>> s/due/use/
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Looked fine to me! :-)
>>>>
>>>
>>> And, BTW, all the Netscape groups have been dead for ages. The
>>> mozilla.org "support" heirarchy is what to watch.
>>>
>> Posted on mozilla.support.seamonkey but no real takers...
>>
>
> What was the Subject line? I didn't notice a post from you there.

SM2.31 URL shortcuts no icons

>
> Oh! Wait. Did you subscribe via your Usent provider? Or create an
> account at the news.mozilla.org server? Two different things. Use the
> news.mozilla.org server or it's all screwed up. The mozilla news server
> is copied by some Usenet servers but Mozilla does NOT propogate to
> Usenet. It is a private server. So, while the groups /may/ appear in
> public servers they are not up to date and cannot be relied upon.

The former. I see some of your posts and I have posted and replied so
some. I see a post from today?

>
> Only use news.mozilla.org and subscribe to the variouis groups there.
>
> And if the damned weather alert radio goes off again I'm probably gonna
> have a heart attack!

Might be worse. Some bad weather is supposed to be a coming.

>
> Storms in Atlanta. Crap! It's POURING down rain right now! Lightning.
> Thunder. At least I haven't heard the tornado sirens go off ... yet.

It is even raining here. The Devil is skiing and the End must be near!

>
> Oh well. At least it's not snow or ice. Thta's why I moved here from
> the northeast. I got real tired of shovelling my weather.
>
>

Don't miss it either, but I wish it would rain more dependably.

[Jonathan N. Little]

Jonathan N. Little wrote:
> Ed Mullen wrote:
>> Jonathan N. Little wrote on 12/23/2014 10:06 PM:

<snip>

>>
>> Oh! Wait. Did you subscribe via your Usent provider? Or create an
>> account at the news.mozilla.org server? Two different things. Use the
>> news.mozilla.org server or it's all screwed up. The mozilla news server
>> is copied by some Usenet servers but Mozilla does NOT propogate to
>> Usenet. It is a private server. So, while the groups /may/ appear in
>> public servers they are not up to date and cannot be relied upon.
>
> The former. I see some of your posts and I have posted and replied so
> some. I see a post from today?

Correction, later. Directly to news.mozilla.org server.
news.eternal-september.org only has netscape.public.mozilla.seamonkey
which looked quite dead.

[Ed Mullen]

Jonathan N. Little wrote on 12/24/2014 12:51 AM:
> Jonathan N. Little wrote:
>> Ed Mullen wrote:
>>> Jonathan N. Little wrote on 12/23/2014 10:06 PM:
>
> <snip>
>
>>>
>>> Oh! Wait. Did you subscribe via your Usent provider? Or create an
>>> account at the news.mozilla.org server? Two different things. Use the
>>> news.mozilla.org server or it's all screwed up. The mozilla news server
>>> is copied by some Usenet servers but Mozilla does NOT propogate to
>>> Usenet. It is a private server. So, while the groups /may/ appear in
>>> public servers they are not up to date and cannot be relied upon.
>>
>> The former. I see some of your posts and I have posted and replied so
>> some. I see a post from today?
>
> Correction, later. Directly to news.mozilla.org server.
> news.eternal-september.org only has netscape.public.mozilla.seamonkey
> which looked quite dead.
>

That's because the groups are not officially carried on Usenet. So, a
Usenet server has to poach them from news.mozilla.org, which is hosted
by Giganews. So, if you made your post on a Usenet version of the
support group your message didn't appear. If you want to see the full
group you need to use the mozilla news server.

--
Ed Mullen
http://edmullen.net/

How come a slight tax increase costs you two hundred dollars and a
substantial tax cut saves you thirty cents?

[Jonathan N. Little]

Ed Mullen wrote:
> Jonathan N. Little wrote on 12/24/2014 12:51 AM:
>> Jonathan N. Little wrote:
>>> Ed Mullen wrote:
>>>> Jonathan N. Little wrote on 12/23/2014 10:06 PM:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>>>
>>>> Oh! Wait. Did you subscribe via your Usent provider? Or create an
>>>> account at the news.mozilla.org server? Two different things. Use the
>>>> news.mozilla.org server or it's all screwed up. The mozilla news
>>>> server
>>>> is copied by some Usenet servers but Mozilla does NOT propogate to
>>>> Usenet. It is a private server. So, while the groups /may/ appear in
>>>> public servers they are not up to date and cannot be relied upon.
>>>
>>> The former. I see some of your posts and I have posted and replied so
>>> some. I see a post from today?
>>
>> Correction, later. Directly to news.mozilla.org server.
>> news.eternal-september.org only has netscape.public.mozilla.seamonkey
>> which looked quite dead.
>>
>
> That's because the groups are not officially carried on Usenet. So, a
> Usenet server has to poach them from news.mozilla.org, which is hosted
> by Giganews. So, if you made your post on a Usenet version of the
> support group your message didn't appear. If you want to see the full
> group you need to use the mozilla news server.
>

That is what I am doing, I am using news.mozilla.org, in SeaMonkey it is
a different account with news.mozilla.org as server. Not this account
with news.eternal-september.org as the server.