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Online resources for learning HTML [ 4 &/or 5]

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Richard Owlett

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Apr 15, 2016, 7:42:42 AM4/15/16
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http://www.w3schools.com/ and http://htmldog.com/ have already
been mentioned.
I'm interested in online instructional material that may not be
presented as tutorials.
I prefer material which focuses on either HTML 4 *OR* HTML 5 [not
both].
TIA

Philip Herlihy

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Apr 15, 2016, 12:51:13 PM4/15/16
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In article <6uSdnURIO6EtTo3K...@supernews.com>,
row...@cloud85.net says...
I'm a fan of the online video tutorials at Lynda.com. I haven't been
through the HTML ones (and it's possible that a notation like HTML
doesn't lend itself quite so well to video treatment) but there are free
samples available, and a free trial, so why not give it a go?

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Phil, London

dorayme

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Apr 15, 2016, 6:46:49 PM4/15/16
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In article <MPG.317b2c5e1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
Philip Herlihy <thiswillb...@you.com> wrote:

> I'm a fan of the online video tutorials at Lynda.com. I haven't been
> through the HTML ones (and it's possible that a notation like HTML
> doesn't lend itself quite so well to video treatment)

Not only HTML and CSS, but a great many if not most things don't lend
themselves well to the averagely resourced video tutorial. There are
video productions and video productions, and I do not say quite the
same thing about either the *non-existent* or *very rare* superbly
financed and highly competent ones.

Perhaps the ideal type would be a text and illustrative online
versions with video or animation where it is absolutely needed to
illustrate some things. Big trouble happens when people caught by a
trend try to do everything in video.

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dorayme

Joy Beeson

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Apr 16, 2016, 12:22:05 AM4/16/16
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On Sat, 16 Apr 2016 08:46:41 +1000, dorayme <do_r...@bigpond.com>
wrote:

> Big trouble happens when people caught by a
> trend try to do everything in video.

All too often a "video" consists entirely of a close-up of the mouth
of someone reading text that I could read much faster and with more
comprehension if they'd just let me see it.

I uninstalled Flash and haven't missed it yet.

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Joy Beeson
joy beeson at comcast dot net
http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/

dorayme

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Apr 16, 2016, 3:52:32 AM4/16/16
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In article <dob3hbh2pnl04ctrp...@4ax.com>,
Joy Beeson <jbe...@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:

> On Sat, 16 Apr 2016 08:46:41 +1000, dorayme <do_r...@bigpond.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Big trouble happens when people caught by a
> > trend try to do everything in video.
>
> All too often a "video" consists entirely of a close-up of the mouth
> of someone reading text that I could read much faster and with more
> comprehension if they'd just let me see it.
>

Well, that is one fault that can be seen, a particular case of
incompetence in misusing the media to concentrate the camera on the
less relevant things. I saw a case of this in a news TV broadcast last
night, the focus was on the presenter's face when explaining an
interesting new device that was right next to him!

There are many serious pitfalls particular to video tutorialing, I
mention one: it is much fiddlier and harder to go at your own pace.

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dorayme

Richard Owlett

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Apr 16, 2016, 7:17:16 AM4/16/16
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Thanks for the suggestion. But I'm not a video person ;) Neither
Flash nor its cousins are on my machine.

After having visited their site, I don't think they are qualified
to teach HTML design.
I have visual problems which prompt me to normally surf with
background images and colors disabled. Their homepage is an
example of why. When I found the page that appeared to cover my
area of interst
(https://www.lynda.com/Web-training-tutorials/88-0.html) I found
nothing about fundementals.

I then discovered their web skills lacking.
You cannot navigate that portion of their site without JavaScript
enabled.
Their designer could not be bothered checking and advising
visitors - I takes *ONE* line of code!
When I encounter sites with problems I check them with
http://validator.w3.org/ . It had 10 errors and 5 warnings. They
don't proofread their work.

Stan Brown

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Apr 16, 2016, 11:23:52 AM4/16/16
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On Sat, 16 Apr 2016 06:17:14 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
>
> On 4/15/2016 11:51 AM, Philip Herlihy wrote:

> > I'm a fan of the online video tutorials at Lynda.com. I haven't been
> > through the HTML ones (and it's possible that a notation like HTML
> > doesn't lend itself quite so well to video treatment)
>
> After having visited their site, I don't think they are qualified
> to teach HTML design.

Indeed -- Flavell's Law strikes again.

"A page that purports to teach others to use HTML, or to be a
reference, will itself fail validation." Michael Tuck quotes it, but
without crediting me, at
http://www.iraqtimeline.com/maxdesign/basicdesign/principles.html

> When I encounter sites with problems I check them with
> http://validator.w3.org/ . It had 10 errors and 5 warnings. They
> don't proofread their work.

https://validator.w3.org/nu/?doc=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lynda.com%2F
found 39 errors and warnings. (They were merged in one list, but most
were errors. I noticed an <img> without a src attribute was among
them!

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Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://BrownMath.com/
http://OakRoadSystems.com/
HTML 4.01 spec: http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/
validator: http://validator.w3.org/
CSS 2.1 spec: http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/
validator: http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/
Why We Won't Help You: http://preview.tinyurl.com/WhyWont
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