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masonc

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Aug 19, 2015, 10:47:26 PM8/19/15
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Any idea why Chrome would put a non-functional vertical scroll bar
on the center column of three? (the bar has no handle and the
column needs no scrolling)

Opera and MSIE do not do that.

(to avoid extraneous comments, i will not show the url)

Any ideas?
MasonC http://frontal-lobe.info

masonc

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Aug 19, 2015, 10:49:52 PM8/19/15
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oh, hell, there's the url
I was here to add that the page was validated.

tlvp

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Aug 20, 2015, 12:35:11 AM8/20/15
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On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 19:47:22 -0700, masonc wrote:

> Any idea why Chrome would put a non-functional vertical scroll bar
> on the center column of three?

Beats me. The last version of Safari available for Windows shows me *five*
columns, the 2nd and 4th very narrow (maybe half an em wide, if that), and
the 1st, 3rd, and 5th each just under 1/3 the width of the viewport,
roughly all the same length, and none with a scroll bar, functional or not.

Does that help you in any way? Cheers, -- tlvp
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WaltS

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Aug 20, 2015, 10:52:47 AM8/20/15
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Chromium shows me functional scroll bars in the first and third columns.
I guess so I can see the empty space below the bottom links border.

The third column appears a bit longer than the others, and it's bottom
border is hidden under the top border of the pictures section.

Looks good in Firefox and SeaMonkey. No extraneous scroll bars.

Why? You got me. I'm still learning.

Barry Margolin

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Aug 20, 2015, 11:14:58 AM8/20/15
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In article <pkfata93ds4j0bs0j...@4ax.com>,
The scroll bar is NOT non-functional. The column scrolls a tiny bit up
and down.

So that column must be few pixels longer than the height of the table.

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Arlington, MA
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masonc

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Aug 20, 2015, 4:09:35 PM8/20/15
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On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 11:14:57 -0400, Barry Margolin <bar...@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

>In article <pkfata93ds4j0bs0j...@4ax.com>,
> masonc <mas...@frontal-lobe.info> wrote:
>
>> Any idea why Chrome would put a non-functional vertical scroll bar
>> on the center column of three? (the bar has no handle and the
>> column needs no scrolling)
>>
>> Opera and MSIE do not do that.
>>
>> (to avoid extraneous comments, i will not show the url)
>>
>> Any ideas?
>> MasonC http://frontal-lobe.info
>
>The scroll bar is NOT non-functional. The column scrolls a tiny bit up
>and down.
>
>So that column must be few pixels longer than the height of the table.

But what determines the "height of the table"? I find nothing on
table, tr, or td that sets that height. The height is pushed there by
the content. I now have table margin-bottom:1em -- looks good but
Chrome still has a vertical scroll bar.

Of Opera, MSIE8, Safari, and Firefox,iPad and Android phone;
only Chrome shows a scroll on one or the other column.

MasonC http://frontal-lobe.info

Christoph M. Becker

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Aug 20, 2015, 7:15:01 PM8/20/15
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In 1new.css line 15ff you have

td {overflow:auto}

Apparently, that's causing the issue; might be a flaw in Chrome's
rendering engine.

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Christoph M. Becker

Barry Margolin

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Aug 20, 2015, 7:24:44 PM8/20/15
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In article <mr5n1g$8p9$1...@solani.org>,
"Christoph M. Becker" <cmbec...@arcor.de> wrote:

> On 20.08.2015 at 22:09, masonc wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 11:14:57 -0400, Barry Margolin <bar...@alum.mit.edu>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> In article <pkfata93ds4j0bs0j...@4ax.com>,
> >> masonc <mas...@frontal-lobe.info> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Any idea why Chrome would put a non-functional vertical scroll bar
> >>> on the center column of three? (the bar has no handle and the
> >>> column needs no scrolling)
> >>>
> >>> Opera and MSIE do not do that.
> >>>
> >>> (to avoid extraneous comments, i will not show the url)
> >>>
> >>> Any ideas?
> >>> MasonC http://frontal-lobe.info
> >>
> >> The scroll bar is NOT non-functional. The column scrolls a tiny bit up
> >> and down.
> >>
> >> So that column must be few pixels longer than the height of the table.
> >
> > But what determines the "height of the table"? I find nothing on
> > table, tr, or td that sets that height. The height is pushed there by
> > the content. I now have table margin-bottom:1em -- looks good but
> > Chrome still has a vertical scroll bar.

I'm not sure. I tried tweaking some things in the console, like removing
"but come back soon" at the bottom of the column. When I did that, the
scrollbar on the middle column disappeared, but one showed up on the
outer two columns!

> >
> > Of Opera, MSIE8, Safari, and Firefox,iPad and Android phone;
> > only Chrome shows a scroll on one or the other column.
>
> In 1new.css line 15ff you have
>
> td {overflow:auto}
>
> Apparently, that's causing the issue; might be a flaw in Chrome's
> rendering engine.

More likely a difference in the default stylesheet, which is adding a
few pixels to the height.

Has the page been changed? I just went back to it, and now there's a
scrollbar on the right column, not the left or middle. Is there dynamic
content?

masonc

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Aug 20, 2015, 8:21:23 PM8/20/15
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On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 01:14:52 +0200, "Christoph M. Becker" <cmbec...@arcor.de>
wrote:
Removing that overflow removed the scroll. Thanks.
I have no idea what the "overflow:auto" was supposed to do. ??

masonc

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Aug 20, 2015, 8:38:41 PM8/20/15
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Yes. Me. (removing overflow fixed it)

tlvp

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Aug 21, 2015, 1:32:39 AM8/21/15
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On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 17:21:20 -0700, masonc wrote:

> Removing that overflow removed the scroll. Thanks.
> I have no idea what the "overflow:auto" was supposed to do. ??

My guess is, it was supposed to do whatever it stopped doing (i.e., evening
things out by adding some scroll bar(s) where necessary) after you removed
it :-) . 'Zat help at all? Cheers, -- tlvp

Barry Margolin

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Aug 21, 2015, 2:43:42 AM8/21/15
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In article <1ucj5odo9xzev$.11qnx6ul176bw$.d...@40tude.net>,
tlvp <mPiOsUcB...@att.net> wrote:

> On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 17:21:20 -0700, masonc wrote:
>
> > Removing that overflow removed the scroll. Thanks.
> > I have no idea what the "overflow:auto" was supposed to do. ??
>
> My guess is, it was supposed to do whatever it stopped doing (i.e., evening
> things out by adding some scroll bar(s) where necessary) after you removed
> it :-) . 'Zat help at all? Cheers, -- tlvp

Isn't "overflow: auto" the default for most elements?

Christoph M. Becker

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Aug 21, 2015, 8:10:16 AM8/21/15
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On 21.08.2015 at 08:43, Barry Margolin wrote:

> In article <1ucj5odo9xzev$.11qnx6ul176bw$.d...@40tude.net>,
> tlvp <mPiOsUcB...@att.net> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 17:21:20 -0700, masonc wrote:
>>
>>> Removing that overflow removed the scroll. Thanks.
>>> I have no idea what the "overflow:auto" was supposed to do. ??
>>
>> My guess is, it was supposed to do whatever it stopped doing (i.e., evening
>> things out by adding some scroll bar(s) where necessary) after you removed
>> it :-) . 'Zat help at all? Cheers, -- tlvp
>
> Isn't "overflow: auto" the default for most elements?

No, the initial value of the overflow property is "visible", see
<http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/visufx.html#propdef-overflow>.

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Christoph M. Becker

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