DBMail
hbkeultjes
Henry Keultjes
Mansfield Ohio USA
Tony Gravagno
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hbkeultjes
wrote:
> What's your vision on this, Henry?
Vision perhaps but it would give me Open Source Email that works with
my existing Pick code and existing Pick records.
Henry
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> hbkeultjes <hbkeult...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Any donehttp://www.dbmail.org/with OpenQM?
Tony Gravagno
>it would give me Open Source Email that works with
>my existing Pick code and existing Pick records.
But what would you do with an email server, integrated with MV or
otherwise? I have my own ideas but I'm wondering what's on your mind
with this.
Open Source means nothing unless you're going to change the source.
We can already send email to/from any email server from MV. And we
can integrate with other email servers, regardless of the status of
their source code. So outside of point1 being "open source" and
point2 being "Pick", what makes this scenario particularly useful or
unusual compared to any other?
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hbkeultjes
wrote:
You hit the nail on the head Tony, long live Pick and long live Open
Source.
Henry
Tony Gravagno
What just happened here?
frosty
> *Stares into space*
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> What just happened here?
TOTYC!
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tobewan
> *Stares into space*
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> What just happened here?
I do wonder what goes on in Henry's head sometimes...
I've come to the conclusion that he's of the opinion that Open Source is the salvation of EVERYTHING. And any Open Source project that has anything to do with data (perhaps not even database) should support, work with, integrate, consume, produce, and use Pick for the data.
Whether or not that combination has any value or reason to exist, well, doesn't seem to be part of the equation.
With DBMail, I looked at it and thought, "He wants to have a mail server that stores the mail messages in a Pick database?" Well I guess if some business application had some need for that, maybe it makes sense. You know, need to query mail messages.
Or maybe he thinks OpenQM should also be a mail server?
I really don't know.
I would ask... but we've all spent way too many mind-seconds on this topic...
Toby
hbkeultjes
wrote:
> *Stares into space*
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What's it look like? I agreed with you!
Henry
hbkeultjes
Sorry, isn't this Comp Databases *Pick* anymore?
Henry
tobewan
DBMail + Pick = ???????
hbkeultjes
> Yes, it is. And we're still waiting for an answer to the question "Why?"
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> DBMail + Pick = ???????
What is DBMAIL + MySql?
I don't quite understand. Are you looking for some sinister motive?
I happen to love Pick. Ran a very successful business using Pick.
Business was roughly 2.5 times as productive as what was good at that
time. Every day I go through these email programs that I cannot
manipulate like I can manipulate Pick I keep asking why can't this be
done? So now I see a program called DBMail that tells me it can work
with any database and I post a simple question to a group that should
be able to answer that question "Has anyone done this with OpenQM" .
So why do I get a whole bunch of arguments rather than a simple answer
"Yes" which is the only proper answer if indeed someone has done
that. I did not ask for anyone that had not done that, that would be
a nonsense question. I did not ask if anybody thought that porting
DBMail to OpenQM was a good idea because I already know it is a good
idea for me.
So what else can I clarify? What goes on in Henry's head sometimes?
Anyone interested can come to Mansfield Ohio USA and buy me lunch and
get a chance to check out that head of mine? My favorite lunch spot
is the Athens Greek restaurant. They don't serve anything alcoholic
so twenty bucks should get you out of there plus whatever it will cost
you for a Greyhound ticket.
Henry
Tony Gravagno
astray.
Yes, someone might be able to create a "MV Provider" for DBMail so
that all transactions are then stored in MV. From there people can
write MV BASIC plugins to do filtering, auto responding, and perhaps
create functions that are simply unavailable anywhere else.
Publishing code like this would add MV into the list of available
platforms, thus providing some positive marketing as well as yielding
a tool that might interest and inspire others in the Pick market.
That's all great stuff, and sort of what I was hoping to see from
Henry when I asked about vision. I suspect that is what was on his
mind, just not articulated as such. It may cost me a greek coffee to
find out but I think that would be a coin well spent.
What I got out of this was "hey, this is interesting" and when asked
"why" the response was akin to "I don't know but it's interesting"...
I'm reminded of the scene in 2001 A Space Odyssey where the cavemen
gather around the monolith, summoning courage to go near or even touch
the artifact - and they're later inspired to bash heads with bones. I
suppose it's a stretch to hope that one of these days we'll be the
ones building the monolith for others to gather in awe, but there's
some solace in the belief that as long as we're making tools for
bashing our own heads, we're making some kind of progress.
Major winky alert for those who didn't get it. ;)
T
hbkeultjes
Tony:
The way I interpret your message is :"Poor Henry, he is nuts trying to
do DBMail with Pick. However, my Pick business sucks so I can only
spend a buck or two for a cup of Greek coffee, instead of twenty bucks
for lunch, to find out what's in Henry's head".
So let me state this again. I will love Pick until I take my last
breath because it is conceptually a better data handling system than
anything else I have encountered yet and there is nothing being done
on any other database systems that could not be done equally well or
better with Pick as evidenced by the work Northgate and OpenQM are
doing. If I want more, as I do, that obviously requires enhancing Pick
for the data handling challenges that develop. To me that was one of
Pick's greatest assets, the ease with which applications could be
enhanced or added while maintaining the look and feel of a totally
integrated system.
I will continue to assume that those posting to this site with Pick
related messages are of similar mind.
Henry
GlenB
I started a project for QMMAIL a while back but don't have much free
time to
play with it. Also, I got no interest in the community. It runs beside
Postfix and
provides virtual account management and LDAP setup. If you want to do
a
DB-based mail solution then it needs to be a ground-up project. There
are too
many missing features in the few db-mail projects out there, mostly
clustering
and redundancy that is inherent in the solution. It would be possible
to build an
easy to setup clustering and redundancy setup with remote files in QM.
A web
control panel to configure domains, accounts, and clustering/
redundancy would
sell it.
Glen
hbkeultjes
Glen:
Thanks for those comments. Tomorrow is primary election day here in
Ohio and my time is taken up on my friend's campaign trail. By
Wednesday or Thu I should have time to seriously look into your
answers.
Henry
Tony Gravagno
>Tony:
>
>The way I interpret your message is :"Poor Henry, he is nuts trying to
>do DBMail with Pick. However, my Pick business sucks so I can only
>spend a buck or two for a cup of Greek coffee, instead of twenty bucks
>for lunch, to find out what's in Henry's head".
Grrr. Wrong. Plain n simple: We can do anything with Pick. In this
case you didn't say what you wanted to do. You cited tools but no
application or purpose for their joining. It was a 1/3-baked idea.
Now I'm picturing a comedy team, perhaps A=Jerry Lewis and B=Dean
Martin:
J: "Oh look, a bus, and it's going to pass a restaurant."
D: "Are you hungry?"
J: "No."
D: "Do you need to go somehere?"
J: "No, why?"
D: "Then there's no relation between a bus and food, right?"
J: "Are you implying there's something wrong with the food?"
D: "No! I'm wondering why you mentioned the bus and restaurant."
J: "Ah, then you just don't like buses."
D: "I didn't say that!"
J: "I'll bet you're too cheap to buy me lunch anyway."
D: "You said you weren't hungry and we're not discussing my finances."
J: "Oh look, a butterfly..."
* curtain falls *
eppick77
Who's on first?
Eugene
Jeff Caspari
> D: "Are you hungry?"
> J: "No."
> D: "Do you need to go somehere?"
> J: "No, why?"
> D: "Then there's no relation between a bus and food, right?"
> J: "Are you implying there's something wrong with the food?"
> D: "No! I'm wondering why you mentioned the bus and restaurant."
> J: "Ah, then you just don't like buses."
> D: "I didn't say that!"
> J: "I'll bet you're too cheap to buy me lunch anyway."
> D: "You said you weren't hungry and we're not discussing my finances."
> J: "Oh look, a butterfly..."
> * curtain falls *
Tony, does your talent know no bounds? That's very good.
Ross Ferris
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Dementure!!
dawn
LOL. I'm one of the people here who has met both of you in person
(have you met each other?) and I can imagine this dialog taking place.
smiles. --dawn
sdavmor
I like that. A nice sense of the absurd, which all good comedy needs.
(applause)
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uiterwyk
Your script reads like a scene from "The Bald Soprano" by Eugène
Ionesco.
Excellent!
Robert
hbkeultjes
> hbkeultjes wrote:
> >Tony:
>
> >The way I interpret your message is :"Poor Henry, he is nuts trying to
> >do DBMail with Pick. However, my Pick business sucks so I can only
> >spend a buck or two for a cup of Greek coffee, instead of twenty bucks
> >for lunch, to find out what's in Henry's head".
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> Grrr. Wrong. Plain n simple: We can do anything with Pick. In this
> case you didn't say what you wanted to do. You cited tools but no
> application or purpose for their joining. It was a 1/3-baked idea.
Seriously, Tony, do you want me to spell out what I would do with
DBMail? Just what I use Thunderbird for except that I can store it
Pick like and thus use and search and manipulate it Pick like.
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> Now I'm picturing a comedy team, perhaps A=Jerry Lewis and B=Dean
> Martin:
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> J: "Oh look, a bus, and it's going to pass a restaurant."
> D: "Are you hungry?"
> J: "No."
> D: "Do you need to go somehere?"
> J: "No, why?"
> D: "Then there's no relation between a bus and food, right?"
On the contrary! The relationship between food and bus is distance.
Tony G is in Irvine California while the food is in Mansfield Ohio.
Like any eccentric psychiatrist, Tony G would take the Greyhound to
get from Irvine California to Mansfield Ohio.
> J: "Are you implying there's something wrong with the food?"
> D: "No! I'm wondering why you mentioned the bus and restaurant."
> J: "Ah, then you just don't like buses."
> D: "I didn't say that!"
> J: "I'll bet you're too cheap to buy me lunch anyway."
> D: "You said you weren't hungry and we're not discussing my finances."
> J: "Oh look, a butterfly..."
> * curtain falls *
So what's for ACT II
Henry
hbkeultjes
Tony is good but, gathering from his comments, he should have
answered my question with silence.
Henry
hbkeultjes
Indeed Ross, all this while he, Tony, could be porting DBMail to
OpenQM.
Henry
hbkeultjes
Sorry, Steven, it is a Tragedy!
Henry
hbkeultjes
Robert:
Is it relevant that last Friday I was at the (Dutch) Queens Birthday
party?
Henry
wjhonson
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> Indeed Ross, all this while he, Tony, could be porting DBMail to
> OpenQM.
>
Henry I'm reminded of a quote from my favorite philosopher:
All the best things in life are free
But you can give them to the birds and bees, I want Money!
Ooo ooo ooo ooo
That's what I want
ooo ooo oo ooo
That's what I need
ooo ooo ooo oo
That's what I want!
frosty
> Henry I'm reminded of a quote from my favorite philosopher:
>
> All the best things in life are free
> But you can give them to the birds and bees, I want Money!
> Ooo ooo ooo ooo
> That's what I want
> ooo ooo oo ooo
> That's what I need
> ooo ooo ooo oo
> That's what I want!
Berry Gordy is your favorite philospher?!?
FYI, John Lennon did not write those lyrics.
But he did write, "Imagine no possessions;
I wonder if you can."
--
frosty
Tony Gravagno
>Seriously, Tony, do you want me to spell out what I would do with
>DBMail? Just what I use Thunderbird for except that I can store it
>Pick like and thus use and search and manipulate it Pick like.
>
Act II is where you explain how Thunderbird is an email server or how
DBMail is an email client. I suspect this is when the program gets
all sci-fi and an alternate universe is used as a mechanism to further
the story to a point where this somehow makes any sense.
Time to quit, Henry. Let's have a good laugh and move on.
BTW, thanks for the positive comments in this thread. I must say, I'm
astounded that after almost 3 decades in this business, I dunno if I'm
pleased or not that the one attribute that people seem to appreciate
the most here is not my ability to connect MV to a coffee pot or
telephone, but an amateur sense of comedy, which is what I usually
write here but most people don't usually get it. (Oh yes, and run-on
sentences, I know you guys love those too...)
For a little more humor injected into a topic to which many people
here can relate, everyone is welcome to visit my most recent blog:
nospamNebula-RnD.com/blog/tech/mv/2011/05/back-in-my-day1.html
Regards,
T
Tony Gravagno
>OpenQM.
Henry, I am happy to write free and open source software if I am paid
to do so, or if there is another business model which can be applied
such that I don't suffer in the process.
This is the great common myth about FOSS, that it should be offered at
no cost (misunderstanding of 'free') to the masses by competent
programmers who don't need to pay bills.
All jokes aside, again, your post was 1/3 baked: You mention software
with no application and no business model.
BTW, DBMail wouldn't need to be ported to QM or any other MV DBMS.
With a platform-independent data provider it could work against any MV
DBMS. I use such tools for my own development, where a single library
via a config change can connect into DBMS platforms using UO.NET,
QMClient.NET, mv.NET, MVSP, or over a raw SSH connection. But I'm not
going to offer this for free or as open source.
And for the record, I actually do contribute to several FOSS projects
unrelated to MV, for my own benefit primarily but I derive pleasure
from the helping others as well. There's gotta be a reason for
someone to do this.
T
Tony Gravagno
>answered my question with silence.
I did give you an opportunity to convey some vision. When you
declined, this thread had no other raison d'être but entertainment.