On Jun 20, 2018, at 9:11 AM, Daniel Minnis <dminn...@gmail.com> wrote:The Board of Directors of Club Cascadas is similar to a Home Owners Association in that they govern and are responsible for maintaining the appearance and assets of the Club, run the finances and set the rules for the common good of the owners and their property.Erecting large Blue Flags that obstruct the view of Members, of Lands End or El Arco, may have seemed like a great idea to a small group of management or seems, to a few members, stupid to discuss “stupid flipping blue Flags” to those members who don’t care. Imagine if your HOA erected Large Blue Flags in your front yard and the yards of every other homeowner. Imagine if the HOA removes your patio furniture and the patio furniture of ALL members and replaces it with furniture you despise.I don’t view the posts I’ve seen,concerning these matters, as “hysteria” but instead as justified resentment and a cause for explanation and justification of the purpose.The statement that one or two weeks purchased by new owners,most suredly cost more than seven to ten weeks together by other owners is misguided or misunderstood. We, long time, members have purchased our units not once but twice. Many of us have invested, hundreds of thousands of dollars, and many have plunked down as much as $175,000 for just one week in one unit. I agree that we are ALL the same and no one is better than the next and i certainly don't perceive that any member who has posted thought they were "something special" but instead their postings reflect how special Cascadas is and how dear to their heart many staff members have become. This is not some High School outburst but instead the voices of owners,of a multi-million dollar corporation, exercising their right to free speech in hopes of protecting their investments and insuring the fair treatment of employees of the corporation.Imagine yourself as an employee of a corporation with 22 years of dedicated service. You are terminated in less than a dignified manner and asked to inform colleagues and members that you resigned instead of being fired as to give the impression that the termination was a mutually designed exit. Their are certainly two sides to every story and I am confident Dave Stoenner acted in what he thought was the best interests of the Club. I know Dave and I know he would never intentionally cause harm to the Club but having said that I, and others, are seconding guessing this decision and feel that a Grave Error has occurred in the termination of Aida Trujillo.Aida Trujillo has given her heart and sole to Club Cascadas and its members. She was humiliated. She deserved a better exit. As a courtesy of her many years of dedicated service and recognition of her 10 Million Plus Sales for the Club entitles her to proper 2 weeks to 30 Days notice, period. I and others have talked with Aida personally and she is the first to admit she was in a slump with her sales. Sales staff in a timeshare industry should and can close 20% of their contacts. Aida knows,better than anyone,her numbers of less than 10% closure were unacceptable and she states she was made aware that she needed improvement. Are Sales and Numbers the most important asset of a sales representative of Club Cascadas? If they are, I am very disappointed. We are told, every Friday resort meeting, that sales are NO PRESSURE AT CASCADAS and Club Cascadas's true asset is the employees and their dedication to customer service and making the Club feel like HOME. Remember the motto "Welcome Home" for the last few years?Previous manager, Daniel Holzkan, was abruptly terminated two years ago. Daniel did an excellent job managing the resort, provided great skills and insight, excellent communication with members, and was escorted off the property, LIKE A CRIMINAL? Did he commit a crime? No! Was escorting him off the property humiliating uncalled for and unnecessary? Yes! So indignant, was this action, another tremendous employee, Israel, resigned in protest, to the treatment of a fellow Cascadas employee!It is my opinion,when employees are humiliated to the point of tears personnel matters are no longer CONFIDENTIAL and the sole responsibility of management, they become a matter of assessment by the Membership and Board of Directors. When employees of the Club are terminated and treated as criminals, without due cause, and other employees resign as a result of improper treatment of an employee, then the matter is no longer the sole responsibility of management and a complete investigation should be performed and corrective measures taken to end this horrific lack of management sensitivity.I see the posts and the members are Responsible Adults and I am sorry some feel like this is juvenile banter among members but these matters are serious and a symptom of something bigger that needs to be addressed.We members are truly the judge and jury as owners. Every decision, right or wrong, made by the Board and Management are subject to scrutiny, deliberation, and verdict by the members. The members do not micromanage nor does the Board but when matters directly in conflict with the overall well being of the Club arise it is proper and imperative members voice and voice loud their opinions.We can and should do better and this forum is the BEST vehicle we have available to stress our valid concerns.Dan Minnis<IMG_0858.jpg>taho...@gmail.com> wrote: I completely agree Paige. Too many assumptions, too much hysteria (truth) and too many accusations placed in this past week in literally hundreds of social media posts. People...breath....step back ...take a breath and give the powers that be a chance!I am totally sure those powers that be have seen and heard, hundreds of times this week, the members displeasure with decisions made. With the total hysteria that has been going on, truely do you think anyone of those in charge would even have a chance to explain...to the members...without being totally ostrasized by this group! I think not.I too am an owner...granted new owner...but have been coming to Cascades with friends for a few years now...before we bought two weeks...we have come at many different times/weeks during the years and have met a lot of great people and a lot of not so great people. Cascades is our place to get away from life...the drama...to sit back and enjoy the peace...to enjoy new friends we make and ignore the other assholes that only enjoy drama that they refuse to leave at home.I don't care who you are, how old you are or how many weeks you own. We are ALL owners! And I am sure we new owners paid more for our one or two weeks than the other owners paid for their seven to ten weeks together! It doesnt matter! We are all owners! No one is better than the next. No one has more say than the next. Times change...sorry but thats life! It is what it is. Stop complaining and whing and participate in the decision making.But was has shocked me is the total, out of control...and ridicilous hysteria that has been going on this past week over a personnel issue, chairs and stupid flipping blue flags!! Seriously. I feel like we are in the presidential election all over again!Yes, I get a lot of peoples comments such as "Gidding's would turn over in his grave; we only bought here for the ambience, yada yada yada".... But everyone seems to have become the judge and jury without allowing those to explain. Yeah I also get you think you actually OWN the club when it went to the members, but yet I see hundreds complaining...and what maybe six stepping up to represent us....on the board....Good for them that atleast someone steps up....AND then you all complain that a potential member might miss a meeting so now he doesnt get your vote! Really! Am I in high school again???? Are we not like adults here? Hmmm....If you don't live in Newport Beach, CA you have absolutely NO IDEA how expensive it is to not only fly there but get hotel, transportation, etc. and why didnt you run for the board, since your complaining so much! Huh?????In the end....breath....lets try to act like responsible adults here people! Regardless of how old you are, who you know, how many weeks you own or how special you think you are....etc.....things change....its life. Get over it and yourselves! If you dont like what is going on....run for the board...put your two cents in on the board....rather than sitting here on social media being a backseat driver...like our children!This...hysteria....people...would have Giddings turning in his grave....you are not the judge and jury!On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 10:59 PM 'Paige OKeeffe' via Cabo Friends <cabo-f...@googlegroups.com> wrote:I'd like to parse this conversation...We have only just taken ownership and are electing a new board. So the culture, which we impact, will change over time to reflect this new status of ownership. Give it a chance.We are electing this board. Wer'e sharing our concerns with this board and they will of course be addressed very soon, right? That sounds reasonable. Question, before this week, how many of you cast specific votes for candidates or just gave proxy in the election? (Uh,, that's rhetorical).Because the culture is changing it is the perfect time for a cohesive set of issues to be shared with the new board. What are those issues? I read people are disappointed in staff changes in recent years and some design changes. And it sounds like owners want more transparency. Sounds like we've shared our opinions. While its disappointing that current board members aren't in this forum I would bet they are aware of our chatter and plan to talk about it soon.And before we say its about Aida, remember that employment issues are confidential. We can conjure all kinds of reasons that she was removed/let go but we will not - and should not - ever know the reason. For her safety as much as anything.Change can be a royal pain, but when its exciting change, like taking ownership of our gorgeous Cascadas, then it's a wonderful thing. Let's add to the positive.Paige OKeeffe
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Excuse me, but this is absolutely the worst forum to use to try to get through to the board. Cascadas has their own website with an owner's comments page. That is what they read. This is a private Google page for owners to discuss rental properties, selling, buying. The board is not interested in a outside free page that anyone can post on whether it is Google's, Yahoo, or any other of the hundreds of free sites people can create a dialogue page on.. Use their page to get through to them please! I'm tired of hearing your opinions about things you don't know what you're talking about!Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S® 6, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Barbara Merrill <bmerr...@gmail.com>Date: 6/20/18 11:25 AM (GMT-06:00)To: Dan Minnis <dminn...@gmail.com>
Just to let everybody know where I am coming from: I have ben a member of my home HOA Board of Directors for 9 years (7 of those as President). We have 144 owners, and we are also blessed with an Owners' Google Group...
I have been following the latest flowering of Cascadas Google Group communications, which pretty much follows the expected pattern, but with enhanced hostility towards the people who actually keep Cascadas being the wonderful place it is (i.e., its Board of Directors and management). I am sure they are also following it; I hope they give it full consideration, and make whatever decisions (if any need to be made) while keeping collective cool heads. Here are my thoughts relative to the specific issue that have been brought up:
(1) The blue flags: I have not seen them, I don't know where have they been placed, I don't know why were they put up, and I don't know whether they were meant to be permanent or temporary, so I won't presume to emit an opinion. I hope the people who have been vocal in demanding their immediate take-down have actually seen them, or at least had the answers to all my questions. In any case, it is a moot problem.
(2) The patio chairs: Somebody pasted a purported picture of the "traditional" chair and one of the "new" chair. I did not recognize the first picture as a Cascadas chair. The base resembles the base of our traditional chairs, but the top (seat, back and arms) is more luxurious than anything I have seen at Cascadas, and is definitely not meant as an outdoor chair. Our traditional Cascadas chairs are visually very interesting, although many of them look worn out, painted over too many times and in bad need of replacement. I agree that the replacement "new" patio chairs are not that interesting visually. On the other hand, their design is much better from an ergonomics point of view, and I am sure they are much easier to lift and move around; I am also sure that those two considerations are significant for many of our owners. As for their quality, it is impossible to tell from the picture; they may have sturdy, powder-coated heavy gauge tubing frames and high quality outdoors upholstery, or painted thin-walled tubing and cheap vinyl upholstery. As I said, impossible to tell from the picture, although, based on past Cascadas experience, I expect that they actually are high quality chairs. If many of the "traditional" chars need replacement, the choice of replacement chairs must consider a number of variables: cost, esthetics, ergonomics, ease of use, durability, present and future availability...If management were to give undue weight to only one of those variables, they would not be doing their jobs.
(3) The firing of Aída: I must say that, except for seeing her during the Friday meetings, I don't know her. We have been Cascadas owners for seven years, and Aída is the only salesperson that never contacted us to chat about additional purchases. None of the other sales personnel were ever "high pressure" with us, but they did try...Except for that, I don't know enough to say whether the firing was or was not justified, or whether it should have been conducted in any other way. If management and the Board are following accepted HR practices, neither do any of the people who have been so free with their opinions in the Google Group, since in the best case they only know one side of the story. Any HR professional will tell you that you cannot be "transparent" with the details of a firing or a termination agreement; the only time those details emerge is in court...
Again, I hope that the Board pays serious consideration to all the thoughts expressed by the owners, and then makes whatever adjustments are thought to be necessary after cool-headed deliberation. I hope the Board does not seriously consider that they would need an owners' plebiscite every time they need to spend $5,000. I also hope that owners will stop sharpening their scythes and pitchforks and not succumb to the temptation of voting for a candidate based solely on their promise (or lack thereof) to reinstate Aída. As a final note, I would like to point out that while the number of e-mails sent during the last few days on these topics was very large, the number of authors was rather small...
Bernardo
On Jun 20, 2018, at 9:11 AM, Daniel Minnis <dminn...@gmail.com> wrote:
The Board of Directors of Club Cascadas is similar to a Home Owners Association in that they govern and are responsible for maintaining the appearance and assets of the Club, run the finances and set the rules for the common good of the owners and their property.
Erecting large Blue Flags that obstruct the view of Members, of Lands End or El Arco, may have seemed like a great idea to a small group of management or seems, to a few members, stupid to discuss “stupid flipping blue Flags” to those members who don’t care. Imagine if your HOA erected Large Blue Flags in your front yard and the yards of every other homeowner. Imagine if the HOA removes your patio furniture and the patio furniture of ALL members and replaces it with furniture you despise.
I don’t view the posts I’ve seen,concerning these matters, as “hysteria” but instead as justified resentment and a cause for explanation and justification of the purpose.
The statement that one or two weeks purchased by new owners,most suredly cost more than seven to ten weeks together by other owners is misguided or misunderstood. We, long time, members have purchased our units not once but twice. Many of us have invested, hundreds of thousands of dollars, and many have plunked down as much as $175,000 for just one week in one unit. I agree that we are ALL the same and no one is better than the next and i certainly don't perceive that any member who has posted thought they were "something special" but instead their postings reflect how special Cascadas is and how dear to their heart many staff members have become. This is not some High School outburst but instead the voices of owners,of a multi-million dollar corporation, exercising their right to free speech in hopes of protecting their investments and insuring the fair treatment of employees of the corporation.
Imagine yourself as an employee of a corporation with 22 years of dedicated service. You are terminated in less than a dignified manner and asked to inform colleagues and members that you resigned instead of being fired as to give the impression that the termination was a mutually designed exit. Their are certainly two sides to every story and I am confident Dave Stoenner acted in what he thought was the best interests of the Club. I know Dave and I know he would never intentionally cause harm to the Club but having said that I, and others, are seconding guessing this decision and feel that a Grave Error has occurred in the termination of Aida Trujillo.
Aida Trujillo has given her heart and sole to Club Cascadas and its members. She was humiliated. She deserved a better exit. As a courtesy of her many years of dedicated service and recognition of her 10 Million Plus Sales for the Club entitles her to proper 2 weeks to 30 Days notice, period. I and others have talked with Aida personally and she is the first to admit she was in a slump with her sales. Sales staff in a timeshare industry should and can close 20% of their contacts. Aida knows,better than anyone,her numbers of less than 10% closure were unacceptable and she states she was made aware that she needed improvement. Are Sales and Numbers the most important asset of a sales representative of Club Cascadas? If they are, I am very disappointed. We are told, every Friday resort meeting, that sales are NO PRESSURE AT CASCADAS and Club Cascadas's true asset is the employees and their dedication to customer service and making the Club feel like HOME. Remember the motto "Welcome Home" for the last few years?
Previous manager, Daniel Holzkan, was abruptly terminated two years ago. Daniel did an excellent job managing the resort, provided great skills and insight, excellent communication with members, and was escorted off the property, LIKE A CRIMINAL? Did he commit a crime? No! Was escorting him off the property humiliating uncalled for and unnecessary? Yes! So indignant, was this action, another tremendous employee, Israel, resigned in protest, to the treatment of a fellow Cascadas employee!
It is my opinion,when employees are humiliated to the point of tears personnel matters are no longer CONFIDENTIAL and the sole responsibility of management, they become a matter of assessment by the Membership and Board of Directors. When employees of the Club are terminated and treated as criminals, without due cause, and other employees resign as a result of improper treatment of an employee, then the matter is no longer the sole responsibility of management and a complete investigation should be performed and corrective measures taken to end this horrific lack of management sensitivity.
I see the posts and the members are Responsible Adults and I am sorry some feel like this is juvenile banter among members but these matters are serious and a symptom of something bigger that needs to be addressed.
We members are truly the judge and jury as owners. Every decision, right or wrong, made by the Board and Man agement are subject to scrutiny, deliberation, and verdict by the members. The members do not micromanage nor does the Board but when matters directly in conflict with the overall well being of the Club arise it is proper and imperative members voice and voice loud their opinions.
We can and should do better and this forum is the BEST vehicle we have available to stress our valid concerns.
Dan Minnis<IMG_0858.jpg>
taho...@gmail.com> wrote: I completely agree Paige. Too many assumptions, too much hysteria (truth) and to many accusations placed in this past week in literally hundreds of social media posts. People...breath....step back ...take a breath and give the powers that be a chance!