Proposal to buy 4*8' sheets of 1/4" plywood for future CNC classes

[Tiffany Bell-Horwath]

Hi All,

Thus far the CNC classes have included an endmill and a decent chunk of nice plywood for the students to practice with. We are at the end of the 5x5 sheets and need to purchase more. Rather than ordering a bunch in, it seems far more convenient to purchas the 1/4" 4x8 sheets that are already at the hive. So my proposal is to purchase the sheets that are currently at the hive on the flat wood storage I put up around new years. This way we have continued stock for the classes. If needed, I would happily be in charge of keeping track of expenses for them, etc, as I have been doing.  

Will get a cost/numbers together when I get the chance to count the number of sheets that are there (and haven't already been purchased).

Cheers,

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Tiffany R. Bell-Horwath

Chemistry Ph.D

Visiting Assistant Professor

University of Cincinnati

[Andrew]

"Rather than ordering a bunch in, it seems far more convenient to purchas the 1/4" 4x8 sheets that are already at the hive. "

I think you mean the 1/2" sheets, is that correct?  There are no 1/4" sheets.

[Andrew]

I think you're asking for about $1500-2000 here.

20-40 sheets at $50 per sheet.

[John2pt0]

If only for the classes, it's not likely to exceed 1 sheet per month.

[Daniel McNamara]

I would also like to see it be able to be bought by members to use fir personal use if there will not be heavy use from the Certification.

Either way, so we dont scrape $2000 dollars of wood due to Us moving at "Hive speed" I am all for this.

On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 3:42 PM, John2pt0 <doc...@gmail.com> wrote:

If only for the classes, it's not likely to exceed 1 sheet per month.

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[Andrew]

On Wednesday, January 11, 2017 at 4:32:13 PM UTC-5, Daniel McNamara wrote:

I would also like to see it be able to be bought by members to use fir personal use if there will not be heavy use from the Certification.

Eagerly awaiting your proposal, might have been a bit more timely back in November when this kicked off.  Maybe we can discuss at the next Hive meeting you attend, or next time you're in the hive.
 

Either way, so we dont scrape $2000 dollars of wood due to Us moving at "Hive speed" I am all for this.

Not sure what speed moving at around a 6-7 weeks is to you.  Also not sure why you think this needs to be scrapped, instead of just taken home by the owner.
 

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If only for the classes, it's not likely to exceed 1 sheet per month.

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[Kevin S]

Not trying to be a smart ass however it was discussed by A LOT of members over the month about the coy/hive option to buy the wood at an incredibly efficient manner was what everyone was in agreement on, just minor details to be figured out the final resting place as the we had increased our sq. footage. That's why I feel a full on proposal was not made because so many people just figured it was no longer an issue. 

I know you stated earlier that you could fit the plywood in your car without issue however I have to say as someone thats main focus is vehicles and repair that it can be a rather painful task to do without causing any damage to the finish of even my suv that the seats all fold down. This could also free up valuable space in the member storage area as duplicates of common items would not be an issue and more partnering up to bring down specific wood for specific projects.

I think tiff already made a motion of proposal but if it needs wording to be valid I'll go ahead and make one just to be official however leave the door open for others to submit for a vote as well.

So.....

Hive wood bank proposal 

This is to establish a community wood bank that will be stocked with sizes and types that are subject to change due to the primary wood for projects needed for classes and personal projects.

Invoice and pricing will be public knowledge and either the hive has the option to order and stock or a member if they choose to. Collaboration could be one be responsible for one size, a member who volunteers another size.

For billing and accounting purposes we can maintain a inventory log book written, digitally, or both. This will be a checks and ballance against the inventory numbers per invoices and hive leadership accounting/ established volunteer.

I ask for a vote in 3 weeks to allow the collective to set the variables in hive needs and allow everyone to get on the same page. If a better proposal with the variables in price and payment is brought forward I will drop this proposal. Any  members in favor of this and would like to discuss specifics I encourage to do so. A separate mailing list thread can be created or if a gathering would be in favor of we can arrange a time.

-Kevin Schuler 

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[Andrew]

On Thursday, January 12, 2017 at 2:21:58 AM UTC-5, Kevin Schuler wrote:

Not trying to be a smart ass however it was discussed by A LOT of members over the month about the coy/hive option to buy the wood at an incredibly efficient manner was what everyone was in agreement on, just minor details to be figured out the final resting place as the we had increased our sq. footage. That's why I feel a full on proposal was not made because so many people just figured it was no longer an issue. 

Could be, honestly there were a few voices on the thread, but they were the minority (3-4) compared to the number of people who voted to remove all the non-hive owned plywood (13).  Not sure why anybody felt it was no longer an issue, we clearly had a vote, which was entered into the meeting minutes, which are up on the wiki.  Further, I've been speaking with Coy about this, and I've been pretty clear on what's happening at each step of the way.  Please explain to me what you feel was making the situation unclear.
 

I know you stated earlier that you could fit the plywood in your car without issue however I have to say as someone thats main focus is vehicles and repair that it can be a rather painful task to do without causing any damage to the finish of even my suv that the seats all fold down.

I've been doing it for years with no issues, you just put a piece of carpet or cardboard on the roof top.  When I used to work at a hardware store loading cars it was a fairly common occurrence, and that's not the only suggestion I made. 

Anyway, that's largely irrelevant, I'd like to see the current system where one member has 10' of storage space while the rest of us have 2' for boxes done away with.

[Andrew]

Oh, and I've had a few members come up to me after the Jan 3rd meeting wanting to know why all the plywood had not been removed after the vote.  From my perspective the lack of removal has been the unclear part.  I've seen no explanation on the mailing list, no votes, nothing.

[Daniel McNamara]

I just sent a vote proposal out.

On Jan 12, 2017 9:30 AM, "Andrew" <jandr...@gmail.com> wrote:

Oh, and I've had a few members come up to me after the Jan 3rd meeting wanting to know why all the plywood had not been removed after the vote.  From my perspective the lack of removal has been the unclear part.  I've seen no explanation on the mailing list, no votes, nothing.

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[Kevin S]

I guess with enough twine, zip ties, and carpet anything is possible. But hey I thank you for the extra mile that hardware store went to strap down a sheet of plywood. I really really hope they only did it to vehicles with roof racks that were weight rated. I would highly not recommend doing that for anyone without proper straps, tie down points both side to side and front to back. 

Given the fact of volunteering for the township dept as well as being a mechanic I have had to both clean up debrise that people let fly off their car such as plywood and take off. What's real bad now is how thin roofs are and that they rely on the pillars for most of the support and they sit way lower than the curve of the roof. 

You know a ton when it comes to wood working and I wouldn't second guess you if you said that's going to catch and kick back through me and the wall lol but in all seriousness it is extremely dangerous without a roof rack and proper lashing straps. 

On a side note if the hive is wanting to go a different direction possibly than what had been talk about when the lease went through and more sq.ft. would become available. This may be one of those votes where it will not be unaimous for the most part. I have seen post for figuring something out but there may be a side to things I'm not seeing. If anyone has downsides I think it would be great to have an open discussion about pros v cons. 

It would be great to hear concerns, opinions, and ideas if members have input....?

[wi...@hive13.org]

My main concerns with this proposal are 

1. Does whoever owns the wood want to sell it?

2. Would it be less expensive than other options?

What I have heard is the plywood currently at the hive is extremely high grade (expensive). It is higher grade (more expensive) than I would use for any project, so I can say I would never use it. Also, for teaching and people doing their first project, high grade (expensive) material is exactly the wrong kind of material to use. 

So from my point of view, even if they do want to sell it, I would have no reason to buy it. 

If what I have heard is incorrect and this isn't more expensive than what we can get material more appropriate for teaching a class with, then you might have an argument.

[Kevin S]

Coy will be able to give pricing info but when I needed a sheet, the quality was indeed high and the price was very reasonable. It will be at cost however discounts applicable because not buying just 1 piece at a time will keep it cheaper.

 It is going to be there for all to buy, it is not one person's personal storage. 

As that wood is used we can always look at cost vs grade when resupply as well and mix it up.

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 Hope that helps.

[Lorin Edwin Parker]

[Kevin S]

Hahahaha nice I like that

[Andrew]

On Thursday, January 12, 2017 at 11:55:13 AM UTC-5, Kevin Schuler wrote:

I guess with enough twine, zip ties, and carpet anything is possible.

You could be correct about the dangers, you seem to know more about cars than I do.

I do know it's not a big problem for a sheet or two, and there's always the hw store truck/delivery for larger loads.  In the case of something being used on the CNC, cutting it into 4'x4' boards or buying the smaller "project boards" isn't a bad approach. I also don't drive on the highway, sticking to the back roads it's fairly safe, because you're correct that plywood can turn into a sail very quickly.  I'm very careful to tie down the corners for this reason, and to double up on the twine.

I must admit I got nervous one time I had to load 10 sheets of 3/4 drywall on top of a chevy chevette, but he made it home okay.

Got any interesting picks of some of the wrecks you've fixed?  Not doubting you, just morbidly curious to see a car with the top ripped off by something like this.  To me the large problems seems to be the load shifting with stops/starts, or the wind getting a hold of it.

[Tiffany Bell-Horwath]

ok so it appears that there are 22 sheets of 1/2" 4x8' plywood. 2 of those are personally owned by Mike/myself. The rest are owned by Coy. since they are 48$ a piece, at 20 sheets, that is 960$. I think that is probably excessive. I would like to have 5-10 sheets on hand for future classes. so I will amend my proposal to this:

1) Maintain a stock of 4' x 8' plywood for members to purchase from the Hive as well as to use for materials for classes. 

1. Sub proposal: Purchase 10 sheets of very nice plywood from current member Coy to have as stock. (total cost of 480$)
1. Purchase additional cheaper sheets of plywood to have available for purchase also (~200$)
2. Remaining wood on current shelf at the hive should be removed by January 31, 2017. Any wood not on member storage or purchased by hive should also be removed by then. 

2) Have flat plywood storage available, as already erected in the form of pallet racks in front of the lounge

1. Sub proposal: Purchase additional crossbeams for further flat storage at higher heights to maintain different types of plywood stock on different shelves. It has been brought up multiple times that vertical storage is very bad for large sheets of plywood. This would alleviate the issues with the vertical wood storage. Having additional shelves would allow members to have flat wood storage as needed. 
1. From pallet rack proposal in July, 1000$ was budgeted for it and I believe total cost was around 650 or so (Jim D can give exact figure). Use additional money from that vote to purchase said crossbeams and shelving materials for necessary shelves.  

I believe these are all reasonable things, and given the increased number of people getting certified on the CNC and wanting to use it to make things, having a stock of nice plywood at the hive makes sense to me. I am perhaps slightly biased as we have bought several sheets from Coy already and used them for projects around the house. I would love to hear pros and cons of this proposal, as well as any arguments against having flat wood storage.

Thanks,

Tiffany

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[Andrew]

I think your suggestion is decent Tiffany. 

I'd like to see some language on how member would go about paying for the lumber.  The other problem with having materials at the Hive is the potential for them to walk off like various tools, wood clamps, etc.  We need to make this explicit and easy to avoid problems with casual theft. 

It might be nice if there was some sort of RFID based reader/lock to make it explicit who was removing plywood.

[Dave B.]

I'm fine with a camera and a CONSPICOUS sign which documents clearly prices for materials on the rack.

-D

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[Elly Hall]

Great job getting a specific proposal ready. :)

A small thing in the sub proposal is that money voted on "expires" after 3 months if it is not used. So you would just need to tack on the additional cost for the flat storage to the total for the proposal, since that money was from July.

Thanks

[Timothy Gregg]

I believe an RFID reader sounds a bit excessive, I mean the backdoor has a sign on it something like "Badge Reader Coming Soon" which had apparently sat there so long that someone scribbled on it and wrote "Never" and then wrote on an additional time "Sometime".  There is still no RFID access at said door and this sign has been there predating my first visit to the hive.

However, I believe a sign and posting the cost of the material would likely be sufficient currently there is a camera posted at the front door which would include a view of the individual that would be removing plywood from the current location.

[Kevin S]

I do know that anyone including myself that has gotten word from coy what is based on the honor System and it did not get abused. He would square up with people after the fact of them grabbing the wood. I do agree a camera if it is thought to be needed.

I drew up a real quick proposal the other night just to at least have something in writing like requested and I covered the topic setting an inventory limit and have it be over seen by someone. I also touched base on diversifying the wood that we would have stalked in the inventory. I do not think we need all 22 sheets right off the bat however if we can come to terms with an acceptable inventory number spread out between the top three kinds of wood used at the hive.

As for payment of the wood would a simple payment to the highest PayPal address along with name, description, etc be an easy way to track sales along with a Google doc, or binder at the wood storage?

[John2pt0]

If this is one of the three proposals, I vote no.

[John2pt0]

I vote yes.

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[wi...@hive13.org]

As I understand it,  we did not want to have things (like sheets of plywood) above the lounge entrance due to dangers of something landing on someone because it fell off either when trying to get something down or otherwise. Simply repeating something I have heard prior to setting up that rack and repeated by members after it has been setup, so has this changed? 

Also, my understanding is that part of what started this entire discussion is that if you buy in bulk, you get better prices. So are we ignoring that as a consideration for this proposal? 

I will say, so far this is the most thought out suggestion and because of that is the least objectionable. I think the greatest issue I have currently is the location of the storage. 

[Andrew]

On Thursday, January 12, 2017 at 6:22:53 PM UTC-5, wi...@hive13.org wrote:

As I understand it,  we did not want to have things (like sheets of plywood) above the lounge entrance due to dangers of something landing on someone because it fell off either when trying to get something down or otherwise.

Right now there are 22 sheets of 1/2" plywood, which each weigh about 70 pounds for a total of 1,540 pounds.  I don't think this is that far outside the range of safety for a pallet rack, but it seems like we should be checking on this.  Right now I believe the rack is correctly installed, but I wouldn't want to bet somebody's life on it.  If the rack fails with somebody under it, that's not going to be pretty.

Storing this, and other materials seems like a good use for the addition space we just opened up in the other room.

[Dave B.]

I find it funny that someone is worried about flat materials on a (relatively) low (relatively) level pallet rack considering the tornado in solid form that lives on some of our larger pallet racks...  It's the fucking hive.  If you want a safe place, find a ball pit or a padded room.  Carefully and properly stored wood is far less of a falling danger than any of the older racks in the space chock full of precariously perched boxes.  I've been hit by falling stuff before - I know firsthand!

Point: a couple dozen sheets of plywood aren't any more dangerous than anything else already stored at the hive.

I'll remember to take a picture of the storage at my friend Travis' shop next time I'm down there.  There are half a dozen 6-12L diesel engines with cast iron blocks sitting on a shelf.  The lightest of them are probably about 900lbs.  I'd say there is easily 7500lbs on the shelf.  Other racks have various diesel equipment in pieces, like a ~10-11 ton digger in 3 or 4 pieces.  Easily 4000+lbs / shelf.  He has the same teardrop style racks we do, purchased the same way we purchased ours - cheap from places that were shutting down.  

Point: unless someone screwed up badly assembling them, we are nowhere near the weight limit of the rack.

-D

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[Andrew]

On Thursday, January 12, 2017 at 8:32:24 PM UTC-5, Dave B. wrote:

Point: a couple dozen sheets of plywood aren't any more dangerous than anything else already stored at the hive.

I disagree, it's 22 sheets at 1,600 pounds which is far more weight than anything else I know of stored on the shelves.  Further I'd rather avoid adding to the danger if possible.  For example I spent several days and a couple of trips to the Homeless Despot to make sure that the new pipe clamp rack was securely bolted to the wall.  I don't want to be responsible for hurting somebody if I can help it. 

That having been said I'm fairly comfortable with the current plywood arrangement.  The shelves were securely installed, and the legs bolted into the floor using carriage bolts and washers.  In fact I removed and re-installed a few of the previous bolts to make sure they also had washers.
 

Point: unless someone screwed up badly assembling them, we are nowhere near the weight limit of the rack.

That's good to know, since I must admit some ignorance in the weight limit of pallet racks.  Usually I wouldn't worry, but I don't think we've got anything else that's hitting that amount of weight in one place.

[Greg Arnold (COO)]

There is no way we are anywhere *near* the weight limit for those racks.  I'd feel comfortable under them if they had five tons on them.  If you're worried about any issues when people are getting wood down, just don't walk under them when they're up there, simple enough.  Those shelves aren't going to tip over without serious, concerted effort.

Also, Tim, the never/sometime scribbling on the one sign was done by me.  That sign was up there when *I* first started coming to the Hive.

On Wednesday, January 11, 2017 at 12:50:20 PM UTC-5, UDchemist wrote:

Hi All,

Thus far the CNC classes have included an endmill and a decent chunk of nice plywood for the students to practice with. We are at the end of the 5x5 sheets and need to purchase more. Rather than ordering a bunch in, it seems far more convenient to purchas the 1/4" 4x8 sheets that are already at the hive. So my proposal is to purchase the sheets that are currently at the hive on the flat wood storage I put up around new years. This way we have continued stock for the classes. If needed, I would happily be in charge of keeping track of expenses for them, etc, as I have been doing.  

Will get a cost/numbers together when I get the chance to count the number of sheets that are there (and haven't already been purchased).

Cheers,

[Andrew]

On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 11:21:18 AM UTC-5, Greg Arnold (COO) wrote:

There is no way we are anywhere *near* the weight limit for those racks.  I'd feel comfortable under them if they had five tons on them.

So I found this handy chart online.  http://www.unarcorack.com/pallet-rack-capacities/  Probably not our exact maker, but I don't think it matter than much.

Currently the beams are about 120", it's unclear what the beam size is.  If it's 3.5", the smallest size, then we're talking about 2,600 lbs, which would be about double what we currently have.  Larger sized beams carry more, up to 5-7,000 pounds, which is probably more than we'd ever have up there, unless somebody makes a bulk concrete purchase.

Anyway, I feel more comfortable having done some checking, hopefully that's useful to other people as well.

[Lorin Edwin Parker]

All well and good, but these ratings assume that there are at least 2 shelves or bracing cross members. We currently have a rack up which is not braced.

As far as wood goes, I don't need any, and neither do a lot of people. Also we voted to remove it. The date has already past. It was a binding vote for all involved, so we need to think about that first. Has ownership been forfeited by this? By whom?

Purchasing consumables at cost and then selling them at cost sounds like a bad business plan, and a bad investment of non-plywood-buying folks dues. I consider the money I pay / give to hive an investment. Tools, rent, infrastructure, and all the other things that bring all members in regardless of whether they CNC or code or both or none.

Anyway, this looks like a group buy. Traditionally at Hive, group buys are initiated by all those members who wish to invest and benefit. I encourage everyone who uses or needs this plywood to get together and do a group buy. Seems like a reasonable way to obtain the exact amount people need, no more, no less.

Lorin

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[Kevin S]

I see your point with the hive spending money on it and hoping to break even, it's still money tied up. I guess more or less I was viewing a system where people who did not use long term storage would have the ability to snag a piece there. Possibly the group buy would be an option. I wasn't thinking nearly the large of quantity as other ones thrown out have been. 

[Will B]

Maybe we should discuss what the actual problems are that we want resolved, as opposed the consultant method of comeing up with a solituion and then applying it to the problems?

This is the 3rd time that my post has gotten blown up my trying to post from my phone into the google group.

1. Do we want to tie up hive funds in storing items onsite?
2. If we store items onsite, are they for classes only or can members purchase from it
3. If we store items onsite, who manages the inventory?
4. Do we have sufficient storage onsite for sheet materials?

Are there other questions we should answer before devising a solution? It is possible that once we have agreed on what we want, we might find that one of the suggestions we already have is wildly inappropriate, or as perfect you could get at the hive.

[Mike]

my answers to Will's questions:

1. Do we want to tie up hive funds in storing items onsite?

Resounding "MAYBE". Depends on the situation. Like other purchases, you weigh the cost (hive $ and space) vs benefit (making it easier for members to DO STUFF). I think that this plywood purchase would be worth it, although I can certainly respect that people who don't use much plywood may disagree.

2. If we store items onsite, are they for classes only or can members purchase from it

Both members and classes--that's the idea behind the plywood purchase anyway

3. If we store items onsite, who manages the inventory?

This is an important question and should be answered before final decisions. Probably the COO or area warden makes the most sense, if they are willing to take the extra responsibility. 

4. Do we have sufficient storage onsite for sheet materials?

Again probably a matter of opinion. The current vertical wood storage is OK, but space is limited--either we need to expand or get more aggressive about kicking out less active storage to make room for new members. Horizontal storage as in this proposal would be nice. discussion of warping and horizontal/vertical/clamped storage has been beaten to death in other threads.

I think that the problems to be solved here are:

1) CNC classes should have a small stock of Hive-owned plywood ready to go. ( simple problem that should be solved, although it could be done with a more modest buy proposal)

2) Having a stock of hive-owned plywood for member purchase would make it easier/faster/cheaper to start projects. (More controversial--I like the idea, but I respect opinions not wanting to tie up money and space this way)

3) Increase sheet storage capacity with *safe* horizontal storage space. (adding additional crossbeams to the pallet rack as per this proposal should address concerns about bracing)

4) Need to end CoyWood quagmire. Politics, votes, dead horses, rule breaking, etc. I think this proposal confirms the previous vote to end unequal member storage, while also keeping the benefit of having a purchasable plywood stock in the Hive. Of course we could also make a clean break by simply ejecting all of Coy's plywood from the Hive (the majority of the plywood will still be leaving with this vote). Or we could leave it in Coy's ownership with a "special access" legal agreement as Dave B proposed. Tiffany's proposal seems to me like a compromise that could minimize ruffled feathers, although it does come with a price tag.

Disclaimer: I'm married to Tiffany :)

Mike

[Andrew]

On Tuesday, January 17, 2017 at 11:50:39 AM UTC-5, Mike wrote:

The current vertical wood storage is OK, but space is limited--either we need to expand or get more aggressive about kicking out less active storage to make room for new members.

Currently not seeing a problem with the temporary project storage.  Everybody who wanted a slot got one.  We did have a problem before, but the Dec31st woodshop purge fixed those issues.  If we get people on the waiting list again I'll be more aggressive about removing people who have missed the "temporary" part of temporary project storage.

That having been said, putting horizontal storage into the newly opened annex should be explored.

I don't want to derail this thread, so if this requires further discussion, let's start a new one.

[Tiffany Bell-Horwath]

we dont have enough room in our slot (that we share with another member) for the several sheets of plywood we purchased from Coy.

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[Coy Paeltz]

Here are some things I am willing to do to help accomplish having flat wood storage.  I am very flexible in finding a resolution that we can agree upon.  I realize not everyone wants this but there are enough people that do to consider it.  There are many projects we approve as a group where only a few members actually use the end product.  IE How many people voted for the welder, laser, etc but haven't used it.

1. I will fund the purchase of the wood (if others want to contribute that's good too) and be responsible for posting a clear way to purchase it at my cost.  This way Hive13 funds are not being tied up.
   
2. I'd like to make available more affordable 5x5 Baltic Birch sheets with different thicknesses (space permitting). Baltic Birch is a great wood for CNC projects and if bought right in it's native 5x5 size it's very economical.  IE a 1/2" patch free (which to my knowledge you can't buy in Cincinnati without special order) can be purchased for ~$27.  I believe Andrew (and myself many months ago) purchased a half inch sheet from Doppes with patches for ~$50.
3. I'd sign something as Dave suggested which holds Hive13 harmless.
4. The only funds Hive13 would have involved is possible purchasing a new rack for the new space if that's the direction things go.
• If not we can just use the current storage above the lounge.  
• If it's believed that this needs to better secured we can do this.  It's been mentioned that the right side isn't perfectly vertical and there are not enough cross braces.  I'm not a structural engineer but being attached to the other structure does provide some cross support.  

Again I am very flexible on how we implement this.  Just trying to give ideas and things I am willing to to.  

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[Andrew]

On Tuesday, January 17, 2017 at 1:04:28 PM UTC-5, UDchemist wrote:

we dont have enough room in our slot (that we share with another member) for the several sheets of plywood we purchased from Coy.

First I've heard of it.  Looked like there was enough room when Coy and I were moving the plywood out of the rack.  I'll see what I can do tonight/Saturday.

[Tiffany Bell-Horwath]

Ok, Mike is going to be at the meeting tonight - Oliver is not feeling well and really wants mommy, so I am home with him. I would like to vote yes on this proposal - I believe Elly is going to have multiple votes and Mike is going to try and get me in a Google hangout with him.

 One of the questions I believe was who would be in charge of the wood and I think the logical choice would be the CNC warden

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[Tiffany Bell-Horwath]

Sorry hit send quicker than expected. As far as cross members cost I would propose the remainder of what was unused for the last pallet rack purchase that was approved - I believe it was around 350$ leftover from the 1000$ proposal that was approved. Jim can probably give you the exact number. 

Tiffany

[Elly Hall]

As I said before, we can't use the money from that because it was voted on in July, and unused money cannot be used after 3 months.  So we can make that "#2" proposal's price be $350 max.

All else sounds great.  Thanks.

[Tiffany Bell-Horwath]

yep sounds good