Wheat for Sheep

[Jacob Lewin]

Perhaps a number of you have played Settlers of Catan at some point in your lives, and likely have played it on Shabbat. My friend sent me an interesting question that Rabbi Jesse Horn was asked regarding playing the game.

In Catan, when the number 7 is rolled, any player who has 8 or more cards need to discard no more than half of his or her cards and return it to the bank (it's too much to go into it if you don't know the rules). So - would it be borer to select cards to remove from the "hand" you are currently keeping? Isn't this removing "bad" from "good?"

So - R'Horn suggested that in order to violate Borer, there needs to be a Taroves and you must do Borer in an Asur fashion to it. Therefore, perhaps holding your cards is not considered a Taroves and it would be Muter to remove the unwanted cards.

Alternatively, as my buddy suggested, one can remove the good cards, leaving behind the bad cards and then give the "bad" cards to the bank. This is based on the fundamental principle of Borer: it's Muter if it's for immediate use (you need to get rid of cards to continue to play), done by hand (it is) and the good is separated from the bad. (Shulchan Aruch OC 319:1)

[Dani Schreiber]

Just curious - does "immediate use/mi-yad" mean (a) "to immediately use the good" or (b) "for a current general need"?

If (a), then I'm not sure this qualifies because you're not using the good cards (although you can say that you're going to use them soon), but if (b), then it's fine.

[Michael Lavner]

Assuming there is a taaroves, perhaps one could argue that there is no real pesoles here.  Rather, you are just sorting out the cards into categories, making this a miyun case.  I think we assume, based on the Rambam, that miyun is assur if it's not l'atlar, but permitted if it's for immediate use - which would be the case here (see Biur Halacha 319:3).

For example, if your rice got mixed together with the beans on your plate and you want to eat both of them now but you don't like them mixed together, my understanding is that you can separate them and eat them separately (ochel mitoch ochel, l'atlar, b'yad).

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