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jmail

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Jun 4, 2010, 8:45:41 PM6/4/10
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I am ondering what editors do you use for CF coding?

I am using CFEclipse and I will be happy to throw away this from
computer but.... I can't use non free editor because the cost of
editors for Polish reality that is much too much.

I am thinking about developing a plugin for NetBeans (which are great
editor) but that is a long long road and this will be hard way for one
person.

I was thinking about taking the source code from NetBeans for PHP and
rebuild this for CF.

Maybe we could do this together? :> And perhaps prepare an integration
with CFWheels from Box

I will be pleased if someone can help me find free CF editor.

regards

jmail

Randy Johnson

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I use aptana studio  http://www.aptana.org/studio  with the cfeclipse plugin.  CF Eclipse has long been stable.

With Aptana Studio you can install their PHP plugin, javascript plugins, etc...  all free.

Randy




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the major problem for me with cfeclipse is that doesn't suggest
closing tags for example when i type <cffunction it suggest parameters
etc. but when I closed this tag and try to get hints it give me back
No suggestions

and for PHP I would never ever change Beans for Eclipse or something
Eclipse-based

Right now there are Beans 6.9 RC2 - the first editor which got line
wraping :)

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Jun 4, 2010, 10:26:08 PM6/4/10
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And the one thing I have forgotten to mention. The CFEclipse is giving
me java.lang.NullPointer exception once or twice per hour

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Randy Johnson

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Yea I have seen that error more lately too,  I was thinking it was related to my dropbox backing up the file.

I have my cfeclipse setup to close the tag when I type the ending >

example

<cfquery name="qryRandy" datasource="randy">

when I type the last >  it will add </cfquery> to the end.

Also in case you didn't know  ctrl +  space  gets you the code suggest window.

Also my cfeclipse just updated today.  Here is the update site I use:  CFEClipse - http://cfeclipse.org/update-preview/

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I've got very fresh install of cfeclipse - on update I get the info -
there is nothing to update.

1. When I try to open css file it's open in system notepad
2. Can't find any good css editor
3. When creating new project it don't ask about encoding oO
4. Can't find good support for building JSF + Hibernate sites
(standard out of Box in NetBeans)
5. It doesn't colour HTML errors for example

<html>
<head>

</head>
<body style"">
<img src="">
</body>
</html>

it's good enough for Eclipse
6. When it find bug on HTML it doesn't suggest what to do
7. That is also good enogh for eclipse

<cfoutput
<a href="#URLFor(route="home")#" style="text-decoration:
none;"><img src="/images/logo.png" align="bottom" style="border:
0px;"></a>
</cfoutput>
8. It is very heavy memory eater. With one project opened it takes
231MB of RAM while NetBeans with 5 projects opened takes less then 200
MB
9. You need to find a lot of plugins while Beans gave them from the
box
10. Standard windows alt+tab doesn't work oO
11. I don't like them logo :F

If I can get sometime maybe I will find Eclipse more usefull but right
now it is very problematic IDE for CFML

regards

jmail

On 5 Cze, 04:31, Randy Johnson <ra...@cfconcepts.com> wrote:
> Yea I have seen that error more lately too,  I was thinking it was related
> to my dropbox backing up the file.
>
> I have my cfeclipse setup to close the tag when I type the ending >
>
> example
>
> <cfquery name="qryRandy" datasource="randy"*>*
> *
> *
> when I type the last >  it will add </cfquery> to the end.
>
> Also in case you didn't know  ctrl +  space  gets you the code suggest
> window.
>
> Also my cfeclipse just updated today.  Here is the update site I use:
>  CFEClipse -http://cfeclipse.org/update-preview/
>
> -Randy
>
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> > And the one thing I have forgotten to mention. The CFEclipse is giving
> > me java.lang.NullPointer exception once or twice per hour
>
> > regards
>
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> > On 5 Cze, 04:24, jmail <ad...@jmail.pl> wrote:
> > > the major problem for me with cfeclipse is that doesn't suggest
> > > closing tags for example when i type <cffunction it suggest parameters
> > > etc. but when I closed this tag and try to get hints it give me back
> > > No suggestions
>
> > > and for PHP I would never ever change Beans for Eclipse or something
> > > Eclipse-based
>
> > > Right now there are Beans 6.9 RC2 - the first editor which got line
> > > wraping :)
>
> > > regards
>
> > > jmail
>
> > > On 5 Cze, 04:16, Randy Johnson <ra...@cfconcepts.com> wrote:
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Joey

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Jun 6, 2010, 7:18:47 PM6/6/10
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I'm using Eclispe Galileo + CFEclipse + Subversive. Works great! I get
the odd java exception. Memory is always an on-going battle with my
computer...
It's like a battlefield between Eclipse & Adobe - to combat this, I
run two dual core pc's over 3 screens using Synergy to use one
keyboard & mouse.

As for colouring and suggesting html errors, I think you have more
problems that worrying that if you are coding <body style=""> haha...
But considering that not every developer is english speaking, I guess
it could/would be handy.

End of the day, you need to find the right shoes that fit! Try out
CFBuilder, see what you think of that :)
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Jun 6, 2010, 9:05:13 PM6/6/10
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I am using the same. I've got couple files in one project which I
can't open cause java exception oO

And I don't like Eclipse. Since I have started using NetBeans any
other editor didn't give that what I need. Try the PHP NetBeans and
check it out. Look at the helpers, HTML and XHTML validators,
integration with JavaScript, CSS or SVN, Mercurial, Kenai. Out of the
box.

And in fact I have decided to build ColdFusion plugin. Maybe someone
want to help me in editing? I need help in building the syntax
checker, means building the database for it.

regards

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Does anyone knows how to install this plugin http://plugins.intellij.net/plugin/?id=3571
on Community Edition?

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joshua clingenpeel

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I was using CFEclipse for a while and got sick of tweaking and memory
management - you can't code when you're doing that nonsense. I've
switched entirely over the TextMate, and with some stuff I'll just
jump into vim to get it done quickly. TextMate for the most part
though. The CFWheels bundle is pretty nice, I'm getting used to the
keyboard shortcuts, and I'm also very much getting used to my IDE no
longer being the #1 RAM consuming application running on my system.

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Does TextMate supports code completing? CF syntax highlighting?
project creation? And how to run this on Windows? Right now I am
almost about to shoot in my head. Memory problems with CFEclipse drive
me crazy. For same reason I don't want CFBuilder - it is still eclipse
plugin. I am so desperate that right now I am coding at PsPad (sic!)
which got syntax coloring for CFML and line wraping nothing else and I
need to type every each character :/

I am looking for news about TextMate on Windows

regards

jmail

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> I was using CFEclipse for a while and got sick of tweaking and memory
> management - you can't code when you're doing that nonsense. I've
> switched entirely over the TextMate, and with some stuff I'll just
> jump into vim to get it done quickly. TextMate for the most part
> though. The CFWheels bundle is pretty nice, I'm getting used to the
> keyboard shortcuts, and I'm also very much getting used to my IDE no
> longer being the #1 RAM consuming application running on my system.
>
>
>
>
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> On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 11:03 PM, jmail <ad...@jmail.pl> wrote:
> > Does anyone knows how to install this pluginhttp://plugins.intellij.net/plugin/?id=3571
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denstar

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If you have to change the memory settings for Eclipse, it's a one line
change to the eclipse.ini file.

A while back it seemed like I *had* to change the settings, but
lately, it runs pretty good with the defaults.

On a machine made within the last 2 years, things should be pretty zippy.

YMMV.

Den

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Gavin McLelland

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Unfortunately TextMate will never be available on windows or *nix and is Mac only. Right now it would seem that the best CF editors are Mac only (TextMate, Espresso, Coda, MacVim)

The best cross platform option for a lightweight editor is vim, I have been working on packaging a cfml optimized configuration for development with Fusegrid SDK, Its not quite ready but if your interested I can bundle up my config files when I get to the office in the morning, for you to test out.

Chris Peters

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The equivalent to TextMate on Windows is E. TextMate dictionaries and such should work on there.
http://www.e-texteditor.com/

Not sure what the differences are between the two, but I hope that helps.

jmail

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Jun 9, 2010, 10:31:21 PM6/9/10
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The best will be when I find the programmer which will write a NB
plugin for me ;)

thanks for help - I'll check all this and give a note.

regards

jmail

On 10 Cze, 04:13, Chris Peters <ch...@clearcrystalmedia.com> wrote:
> The equivalent to TextMate on Windows is E. TextMate dictionaries and such
> should work on there.http://www.e-texteditor.com/...
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> więcej »
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On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 8:31 PM, jmail wrote:
> The best will be when I find the programmer which will write a NB
> plugin for me ;)

Hey, I forgot to reply to your post on the CFEclipse list, but I've
been working on a java-based parser for CFML-- theoretically we could
team up and use it for both.

Just tossing it out there. =)

:Den

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jmail

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NetBeans it's great platform - how to create plugin for parsing new
lang in NB you can find here: http://wiki.netbeans.org/How_to_create_support_for_a_new_language

I think that many developers would be very very pleased to see new
free plugin instead of payment options :/

I know I know. In others countries than Poland $100 (for IntelliJ)
maybe it is not so much. Maybe even $299 for CFBuilder. But in fact in
Poland $299 that is almost monthly lowest payment oO And people can't
just give that money for editor. Especially unstable :/

And for comapny owner that is also not so easy to pay for example
$1000 for three developers, when you've got for example one project in
month in ColdFusion. :(

I am fighting for NetBeans plugin because it will make my life easier.
Then I could code every each project on the same platform: PHP,
JavaScript, CSS, Java, Java Web, Ruby, CFML and somtimes C++. And the
ide offers you a lot of plugins (much more stable then Eclipse and
much less memory costable), but what is most importand you've got
almost everything out of box and you don't have to find plugins.

regards

jmail

joshua clingenpeel

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Thanks chris. Couldn't recall the windows app that could use textmate bundles.

Yes, textmate has code completion, syntax highlighting, all the normal
stuff. And for being a small app it also has integration with SVN out
of the box and it's super easy to customize. I'm assuming E is pretty
much the same way.

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I have just finished making one of the projects that will be the part
of CFBeans ;) Right now Beans recognize the CF file and open them with
appropriate icon. And I have build two actions - one for cfc files
which gives you graphical component creator, and the second one that
build the cfm template from pattern.

And now is the worst thing to do, to prepare lex :/ I am thinking of
JavaCC or ANTLR (in fact I am making both for now, but I have to
decide. I don't want to build to lexars for CF). Maybe someone here
can help me with the lex?

After building lex there will be straight road into full CFBeans first
release

regards

jmail


On 10 Cze, 16:03, joshua clingenpeel <joshua.clingenp...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Thanks chris. Couldn't recall the windows app that could use textmate bundles.
>
> Yes, textmate has code completion, syntax highlighting, all the normal
> stuff. And for being a small app it also has integration with SVN out
> of the box and it's super easy to customize. I'm assuming  E is pretty
> much the same way.
>
>
>
>
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> On Wednesday, June 9, 2010, Chris Peters <ch...@clearcrystalmedia.com> wrote:
> > The equivalent to TextMate on Windows is E. TextMate dictionaries and such should work on there.
> >http://www.e-texteditor.com/
>
> > Not sure what the differences are between the two, but I hope that helps.
>

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2010/6/10 jmail :

> I have just finished making one of the projects that will be the part
> of CFBeans ;) Right now Beans recognize the CF file and open them with
> appropriate icon. And I have build two actions - one for cfc files
> which gives you graphical component creator, and the second one that
> build the cfm template from pattern.

Cool!

> And now is the worst thing to do, to prepare lex :/ I am thinking of
> JavaCC or ANTLR (in fact I am making both for now, but I have to
> decide. I don't want to build to lexars for CF). Maybe someone here
> can help me with the lex?

There's an ANTLR grammar file for OBD, but it's GPL, so there are
licensing concerns.

I'm not 100% sold on copyleft. :)

I feel pretty strongly that the CFML parser/lexer I work on (using
ANTLR and Jericho so far) be released under a more liberal license,
like the 3 clause BSD or MIT.

> After building lex there will be straight road into full CFBeans first
> release

NetBeans was my first Java IDE. I liked it. Way more intuitive than Eclipse.

Eclipse has *way* more plugins though (ironically, this is apparently
a bad thing? ;]) and the modeling/uml stuff is just smoking.

How's the NetBeans universe looking now? Last I checked, it still had
a pretty limited amount of plugins, compared to Eclipse.

I'm especially interested in how the modeling/uml stuff is.
Comparable to Eclipse? Is there a hibernate plugin like
HibernateTools (awesome!)?

Whatever the case, I'm nothing if not diverse, so I'm down to
contribute, but it would be swell if we could do a stand-alone,
BSD-style licensed, CFML parser that both CFEclipse and CFBeans could
leverage.

Also, how were you planning on supporting multiple CFML engines and
multiple versions of the CFML engines?

I've split off the dictionary stuff for CFEclipse into a stand-alone
java project, so that's one option.

Eh. Super cool to see more activity in the CFML Editor department!

:Den

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jmail

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Jun 10, 2010, 2:39:26 PM6/10/10
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ha! So you know nothing about NetBeans ;)

uml modeling: http://netbeans.org/features/uml/
hibernate tools suite: https://hts.dev.java.net/ ;)

I don't know if that is what you are looking for but.... :F

But where is that grammar? I don't care about the licence if it's
opened and I can use it for speed up the beans plugin development.

And in Eclipse plugin there is one thing that I don't like - you need
to find a tones of plugins making IDE such usefull as NetBeans. And
then the Eclipse is slowly as an old toothless dragon

regards

jmail

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On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 12:39 PM, jmail wrote:
> ha! So you know nothing about NetBeans ;)

Basically. :) I looked at it not /too/ long ago for some ajax widget
stuff. Seemed slick.

> uml modeling: http://netbeans.org/features/uml/
> hibernate tools suite: https://hts.dev.java.net/ ;)
>
> I don't know if that is what you are looking for but.... :F

It's cool that it has them, but they both look to be less cool than
their Eclipse equivalents.

HibernateTools has a GUI for editing entities, and the modeling stuff
in Eclipse is getting far out.

> But where is that grammar? I don't care about the licence if it's
> opened and I can use it for speed up the beans plugin development.

If you look through the history of this project:

http://github.com/denuno/cfml.parsing

You'll see where I stopped playing with it (it's the old grammar file,
the "new" one is really the even older, non-working grammar). I think
OBD's GPL (v3, iirc) plays nicer with NetBeans, so it won't be as much
of an issue for CFBeans.

I didn't just rip it, because part of my goal was to get OpenBD sorta
linked to CFEclipse. Mark can represent Railo, so that would be the
two major open source CFML implementations.

My main goal of course, was to have a library that was super free--
even free to be abused!

> And in Eclipse plugin there is one thing that I don't like - you need
> to find a tones of plugins making IDE such usefull as NetBeans. And
> then the Eclipse is slowly as an old toothless dragon

Everything has good parts and bad parts. NetBeans has less "parts",
but I'm thinking that might result in better quality of the lesser
parts. Eh?

I'm personally happy with Eclipse, but I'm not against NetBeans in the
least, and enjoy furthering CFML wherever and whenever, ja know? :)

Den

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jmail

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Is it only cfscript lexer? if there's any cfml lexer?

regards

jmail

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On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 6:25 PM, jmail wrote:
> Is it only cfscript lexer? if there's any cfml lexer?

The OBD ANTLR grammar is for cfscript, and I've been using Jericho to
do tag parsing (attribute validation mostly), but Mark Mandel
originally wrote both a CFML and a CFScript grammar, and I wouldn't be
surprised if the CFML one is mostly serviceable.

Doing both at once will be a pretty complicated grammar, I reckon.
But I'm no ANTLR expert. :)

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On Jun 10, 10:59 am, jmail <ad...@jmail.pl> wrote:

> I am looking for news about TextMate on Windows

The Zeus editor has a lot of features simlar TextMate and it is
a native Windows editor:

http://www.zeusedit.com/

Jussi Jumppanen
Author: Zeus for Windows

jmail

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Jun 18, 2010, 4:54:13 PM6/18/10
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I am desperated. Where can I find Mark's Mandel grammar? You haven't
provided any link. Will this be possible. I was thinking how Eclipse
parsing CFML? Is there any grammar or lexer or parser file? Maybe we
could tak this from there?

regards

jmail

Nathan Stanford 2

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Jun 18, 2010, 5:08:13 PM6/18/10
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Look into this one. They use textmate bundles pretty neat and they have some cool plugins. $59 for a single license that can be installed on every computer you are using. Oh and the trial is technically never ending. It will pop up after you save so many times and say something about registering it but you can just click cancel and continue to use it. Kinda a different approach.

http://www.sublimetext.com/



jmail

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Jun 18, 2010, 5:22:36 PM6/18/10
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heh. That is not what i will like :(

damn I need developer for netbeans plugin :/ I have made a question in
polish web site and I get the offer for 8000 dollars oO

regards

jmail

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Jun 18, 2010, 6:46:18 PM6/18/10
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On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 2:54 PM, jmail wrote:
> I am desperated. Where can I find Mark's Mandel grammar? You haven't
> provided any link. Will this be possible. I was thinking how Eclipse
> parsing CFML? Is there any grammar or lexer or parser file? Maybe we
> could tak this from there?

The cfml.parsing project does as much as the CFEclipse parser in it's
current state (validates tags).

There is no cfscript support, until we finish our own ANTLR grammar.

Here are Mark's grammars:
http://svn.cfeclipse.org/org.cfeclipse.cfml.core/trunk/

Lexing and Parsing aren't things you can just pick up in an hour or
so. If what I've experience is any indicator, it will take quite a
while for you to come up with a good grammar.

8000 probably isn't too bad a price... this stuff isn't a walk in the
park. :-/

:Denny

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