Musique Concrète and acousmatic music for students in elementary school

[Sebastian Peter]

Dear friend sand colleagues,

does any of you have experience in teaching Children  in the age between 8-12 in Musique Conrete and acousmatic music that you are willling to share. For example methods to listen to  a piece, pieces which are especially suitable for children, 

Auditory Scene analysis for children etc.

I am going to be an elementary school teacher in Potsdam/Germany and want to teach the children how to really listen to the noises and sounds which surrounds them and recognize their musical qualities.

Best wishes and Thank You,

Sebastian

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Sebastian Peter

Radioautor und Komponist

Mariendorfer Weg 21

12051 Berlin

Sebasti...@web.de

Tel.: 015228623591

[Leigh Landy]

Dear Sebastian (and CEC community),

We have a long history at the Music, Technology and Innovation Research Centre of working with children in this age group and beyond. For example, the Composing with Sounds EU Culture project led to the creation of the Compose with Sounds software for children (a new version of the software is awaited in the next month or two – there were a few issues with the first version). Results of that project, including several works composed by children, can be found at: cws.dmu.ac.uk – the software forms one part of the broader EARS 2 pedagogical project which is virtually complete (in English – several translations are in preparation) : ears2.dmu.ac.uk – this is a full pedagogical introduction to making music with sounds originally intended for 11-14 year olds but being used for younger children and inexperienced listeners of all ages. Teachers’ packs will appear for this by the end of the calendar year.

Furthermore, Motje Wolf wrote her PhD on EARS 2 and has published on the subject. There is also an article in Organised Sound and Music, Technology and Education on it. David Holland will defend his PhD next month on heightened listening, introducing this type of music in schools for this age group – he, too, has published in MTE. Chloé Cutler received a masters by research introducing noise instruments to 8-11 year olds (this is outside of mc/acousmatic strictly speaking but by no means less relevant) and Jack Richardson is working in schools on electroacoustic music pedagogies (same age group) and will complete in the next year.

We currently are involved in a fairly huge EU Culture project, “Interfaces” where much of this work will be further developed.

I suggest, if your are interested, you can write to me off list for further details (auf Deutsch). 

Yours sincerely,

Leigh Landy

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[Tom Lopez]

Hello Sebastian,

This is a chapter I wrote for a book back in 2002.  There is a long listening list at the end, and each section has a few pieces with discussion points that I found very helpful with children.  I have taught workshops to other teachers about the approach in this chapter and I’ve received some wonderful feedback.  I hope you find some of it helpful for your work.

Let me know if you have any questions.

Good luck and thank you for introducing this world to the next generation!

Tom

[ric...@rwdobson.com]

If a route that supports work in Computational Thinking appeals, there is EarSketch from Georgia Tech:

https://earsketch.gatech.edu

And Sonic Pi, originally for the Raspberry  Pi but now also available for Mac and Windows:

http://sonic-pi.net

While nominally note-based (using MIDI numbers), it supports sample files and a  lot of synthesis and fx; the synth engine is Supercollider.

Richard Dobson

[pjv...@gmail.com]

If anyone is interested in historical material on this topic there is plenty to be found. I'm in the process of writing up a research project on the educational and theoretical work of Quebecois composer Marcelle Deschênes, who taught Schaefferian listening courses for children at Université Laval between 1973 and 1977, which she later used as the basis for the first electroacoustic composition curriculum at Université de Montréal in 1980. For a variety of reasons her courses were never published, but her teaching was extremely influential in Quebec. I'll try to keep the list posted as things progress. Contact me personally if you're interested in learning more.

In any case there were a great many experiments with teaching electroacoustic music and listening techniques to children around that time. The idea of teaching musique concrète to children is almost as old as musique concrète!

The GRM and the GMEB both offered pretty extensive workshops for children in the 1970s, for example. Later there were also courses for children at IRCAM and CEMAMu, although these weren't exactly 'concrète' in orientation.

If you read French you can find out more about the GRM's offerings from the first edition of their post-Schaeffer in-house journal, which François Delalande has kindly made available digitally: http://www.francois-delalande.fr/app/download/6183601463/1976a+P%C3%A9dagogie+musicale+d%27%C3%A9veil+.pdf?t=1460276338

In English there are a few books you might find interesting. Murray Schafer's 1986 collection The Thinking Ear is a good place to start, if also rare as hens' teeth. Brian Dennis' 1970 book Experimental Music in Schools was quite influential (I've seen it cited in GRM curricula around that time). Richard Orton's 1981 Electronic Music in Schools might also be useful. You should be able to find these at good anglophone libraries or on Amazon.

Hope this helps,

Patrick Valiquet, DPhil
Early Career Fellow
Institute of Musical Research

Royal Holloway, University of London

Associate Editor

Contemporary Music Review

pjv...@gmail.com

[yves daoust]

Indeed, a lot of very interesting research and field experiences were done since the 70th, particularly in France, witht François Delalande, as you mentioned, Patrick,  and also Claire Renard. I had the opportunity to see in action the  « Gmebogosse » (IMEB, Bourges, 1973) and was very impressed by the ease with which children were entering this world of electroacoustic music which seems so weird for the general adult population. Back in Montreal, I always had in mind the idea of doing something here to help children and young people to open their mind to sound creation.

In 2002, with my colleagues Alex Burton, Félix Boisvert and others, I began to develop a concept of an instrument for that purpose. We first developed the « Musicolateur » https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xljUEwt6WM8   

And for 4 years now, we are developing an app for the iPad with which we have so far given more than 500 workshops for children from 4 to 16. The app, called FonoFone,  is a kind of graphical sampler, very simple to use and very intuitive. The children record their own sounds ( or play with the sounds that come with the app) and transform them with different tools. The pedagogical version is monophonic: polyphony is created by all the participants of the group (like in orchestra…).

It is incredible to see how fast the children intuitively understand  complex notions (like filtering) and learn how to use the tools in a musical way. And  they never question if they are doing music or not...

We are expecting to put on App Store a commercial version  during next Fall. 

You can get some information on our website (still very rudimentary: we move slowly, for lack of funds). And I invite you to listen to our last concert that was performed on last April : 40 children with iPads and 4 professional musicians https://soundcloud.com/yvdaoust/sets/concert-fonofolies

Please don't hesitate to contact me directly if you want more information about the project or to share experiences about teaching sound creation to children. We would appreciate very much.

Yves Daoust

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wp.fonofone.org

http://www.electrocd.com/en/bio/daoust_yv/discog/

Le 1 sept. 2016 à 11:47, pjv...@gmail.com a écrit :

If anyone is interested in historical material on this topic there is plenty to be found. I'm in the process of writing up a research project on the educational and theoretical work of Quebecois composer Marcelle Deschênes, who taught Schaefferian listening courses for children at Université Laval between 1973 and 1977, which she later used as the basis for the first electroacoustic composition curriculum at Université de Montréal in 1980. For a variety of reasons her courses were never published, but her teaching was extremely influential in Quebec. I'll try to keep the list posted as things progress. Contact me personally if you're interested in learning more.

In any case there were a great many experiments with teaching electroacoustic music and listening techniques to children around that time. The idea of teaching musique concrète to children is almost as old as musique concrète!

The GRM and the GMEB both offered pretty extensive workshops for children in the 1970s, for example. Later there were also courses for children at IRCAM and CEMAMu, although these weren't exactly 'concrète' in orientation.

If you read French you can find out more about the GRM's offerings from the first edition of their post-Schaeffer in-house journal, which François Delalande has kindly made available digitally: http://www.francois-delalande.fr/app/download/6183601463/1976a+P%C3%A9dagogie+musicale+d%27%C3%A9veil+.pdf?t=1460276338

In English there are a few books you might find interesting. Murray Schafer's 1986 collection The Thinking Ear is a good place to start, if also rare as hens' teeth. Brian Dennis' 1970 book Experimental Music in Schools was quite influential (I've seen it cited in GRM curricula around that time). Richard Orton's 1981 Electronic Music in Schools might also be useful. You should be able to find these at good anglophone libraries or on Amazon.

Hope this helps,

Patrick Valiquet, DPhil
Early Career Fellow
Institute of Musical Research

Royal Holloway, University of London

Associate Editor

Contemporary Music Review

pjv...@gmail.com

On Thursday, September 1, 2016 at 3:29:16 PM UTC+2, ric...@rwdobson.com wrote:

[Nicolas Marty]

In Bordeaux, we have éclats who does much in contemporary music for school children. They have been working with the “plancher musical”, programmed by Agnès Poisson, for 20 years, with all sorts of workshops, and they do the petites musiques d’éclats each year, although electroacoustic music has not been part of that for some time… but for their 30^th birthday, coming spring, éclats has invited electroacoustic association Octandre to be part of the petites musiques d’éclats (more news about this when it’s more detailed).

 

People at éclats inherit from François Delalande’s work with pedagogy, so there’s a lot of faire / entendre, and about suitable pieces for children, they say exceeding 4 minutes is quite hard to keep their attention, and pieces using voice are always a nice introduction.

 

All the best for your classes!

 

Nicolas Marty

(nico...@hotmail.com)

(http://marty.nicolas.chez.com)

 

[Sebastian Peter]

Thank you all for the great input. I have a starting point now.

Best

Sebastian

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Sebastian Peter

Radioautor und Komponist

Mariendorfer Weg 21

12051 Berlin

Sebasti...@web.de

Tel.: 015228623591

[Rick]

I forgot about this. More of a sidebar/human interest perspective

http://dangerousminds.net/comments/noise_music_is_for_the_children_the_shoreditch_experimental_music_school_19

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