A Liberal leader with balls
Matthew Kruk
Roy
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7_a2wa2dd4
==
I was not a Trudeau fan but I agreed with his handling of the FLQ
situation except for the way those murderous bastards got kid glove
treatment and were allowed to "escape" to other climes and when they
eventually returned to Canada got treated like frickin heroes. Two of
them should have been hanged.
==
Canuck57
"Roy" <wil...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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John Fleming
in the scriptorium "Canuck57" <fr...@nospam.com> wrote:
> $"Roy" <wil...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> $news:66901f8a-571b-4e75...@k26g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
> $On Aug 31, 11:17 pm, "Matthew Kruk" <anywh...@wind.blows> wrote:
> $> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7_a2wa2dd4
> $==
> $I was not a Trudeau fan but I agreed with his handling of the FLQ
> $situation except for the way those murderous bastards got kid glove
> $treatment and were allowed to "escape" to other climes and when they
> $eventually returned to Canada got treated like frickin heroes. Two of
> $them should have been hanged.
> $==
> $It does still amaze me to this day how many people voted for that dumbsh1t.
I think Roy is right about Trudeau's handling of the FLQ
crisis.
That said, I think he did a lot of damage to this country.
And, of course, there is the NEP.
--
John Fleming
Edmonton, Canada
Old MacDonald had a farm E-I-E-I-O
And on that farm he had a genome E-I-E-I-O
With a SNP SNP here and a SNP SNP there,
Here a SNP, there a SNP, everywhere a SNP SNP
Old MacDonald had a farm E-I-E-I-O
snowman
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7_a2wa2dd4
>
>
I never noticed before, but he kind of looks like Vladimir Putin with a
bad haircut.
While I do think that Trudeau was right by standing up to domestic
terrorism, he way over did it by suspending civil liberties. That kind
of reckless arrogance seemed to permeate in all of his subsequent
dealings with the rest of the country. Canuck57 is right, I can't
believe how many people voted for that divisive cancer.
--
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"It's the customer's privilege to burst their own f*cking yolk."
-Gordon Ramsey
Matthew Kruk
news:FAknm.29166$bU2...@newsfe29.ams2...
> Matthew Kruk wrote:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7_a2wa2dd4
>
>
> I never noticed before, but he kind of looks like Vladimir Putin with
> a bad haircut.
LOL. Actually, it's the opposite - Putin like like Trudeau with a good
haircut.
John Fleming
in the scriptorium snowman <x@x.x> wrote:
> $Matthew Kruk wrote:
> $> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7_a2wa2dd4
> $>
> $I never noticed before, but he kind of looks like Vladimir Putin with a
> $bad haircut.
LOL
> $While I do think that Trudeau was right by standing up to domestic
> $terrorism, he way over did it by suspending civil liberties. That kind
> $of reckless arrogance seemed to permeate in all of his subsequent
> $dealings with the rest of the country. Canuck57 is right, I can't
> $believe how many people voted for that divisive cancer.
Thank God they didn't name a mountain after him. An airport
in Montreal is bad enough.
The Doctor
John Fleming <nos...@sprynet.com> wrote:
>
>I think Roy is right about Trudeau's handling of the FLQ
>crisis.
>
>That said, I think he did a lot of damage to this country.
>And, of course, there is the NEP.
>
Just a coment from you John:
Why did Lougheed celebrate the NEP initially?
BTW, I am anti-NEP.
--
Member - Liberal International This is doc...@nl2k.ab.ca
Ici doc...@nl2k.ab.ca God, Queen and country! Beware Anti-Christ rising!
Never Satan President Republic!
The fool says in his heart, "There is no God". They are corrupt, and their ways are vile; there is no one who does good. - Ps 53:1
Canuck57
"John Fleming" <nos...@sprynet.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 1 Sep 2009 19:46:40 -0600, while chained to a desk
> in the scriptorium "Canuck57" <fr...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> $"Roy" <wil...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> $news:66901f8a-571b-4e75...@k26g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
>> $On Aug 31, 11:17 pm, "Matthew Kruk" <anywh...@wind.blows> wrote:
>> $> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7_a2wa2dd4
>
>> $==
>> $I was not a Trudeau fan but I agreed with his handling of the FLQ
>> $situation except for the way those murderous bastards got kid glove
>> $treatment and were allowed to "escape" to other climes and when they
>> $eventually returned to Canada got treated like frickin heroes. Two of
>> $them should have been hanged.
>> $==
>
>> $It does still amaze me to this day how many people voted for that
>> dumbsh1t.
>
> I think Roy is right about Trudeau's handling of the FLQ
> crisis.
I look at it differently. PQ gets an extra $11B a year, every year. Say
over 30 years, some $330B.
Should have let them leave and call it a day.
> That said, I think he did a lot of damage to this country.
> And, of course, there is the NEP.
People are still paying for Turdeaus fiscal indiscressions. Over $33B a
year goes to the debt he started.
Or about 1/3 or your income tax dollar for LIFE.
Canuck57
"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
news:h7lpeg$887$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
> In article <rlkr959rlfujt9edr...@4ax.com>,
> John Fleming <nos...@sprynet.com> wrote:
>>
>>I think Roy is right about Trudeau's handling of the FLQ
>>crisis.
>>
>>That said, I think he did a lot of damage to this country.
>>And, of course, there is the NEP.
>>
>
> Just a coment from you John:
>
> Why did Lougheed celebrate the NEP initially?
>
>
> BTW, I am anti-NEP.
Lougheed was a dirty and dumb politician, who wouldn't have gotten elected
but for the Liberals being even worse.
Canuck57
"snowman" <x@x.x> wrote in message news:FAknm.29166$bU2...@newsfe29.ams2...
> While I do think that Trudeau was right by standing up to domestic
> terrorism, he way over did it by suspending civil liberties. That kind
> of reckless arrogance seemed to permeate in all of his subsequent dealings
> with the rest of the country. Canuck57 is right, I can't believe how many
> people voted for that divisive cancer.
It is why I often wonder, are there really that many dump-stupid Canadians,
or are the elections rigged?
Take how it is done now. How do we know they count right? We don't, not
really. The governemnt itself takes the votes, goes off unaudited and
counts.
Why not an eVote, and when you vote post to 7 destinations not likely to be
in bed with each other. Say I post an electronic vote, CBC, Ottawa, your
provincial government, even your civic government and a few univerities.
Maybe even a few big businesses.
When the polls close at 8pm, the tally takes 60 seconds and the results. No
waiting for fake ballots to show up.
If 6 of the 7 agree, then we know the 7th cooked it. If they all disagree
then we know they all cooked it. I would bet computers make far few errors
than human counters.
But the real reason is they don't want people voting directly. To get $100B
in bailout corruption debt spend would have never gotten 15 million Candians
voters support, yet corrupt Iggy, Laytoon and Harpo and you get Canadian
banks with a $75B bailout, GM with $13B and on and on with the
corruption-debt spend.
Much harder to corrupt 15 million people than Three Canadian Stooges.
They don't want the people to have control!
PV
Born again Albertans are so cute, except when they display their ignorance.
--
PV
"Begin each day as if it were on purpose"
Mary Anne Radmacher
John Fleming
> $news:rlkr959rlfujt9edr...@4ax.com...
> $> On Tue, 1 Sep 2009 19:46:40 -0600, while chained to a desk
> $> in the scriptorium "Canuck57" <fr...@nospam.com> wrote:
> $>> $"Roy" <wil...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> $>> $news:66901f8a-571b-4e75...@k26g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
> $>> $On Aug 31, 11:17 pm, "Matthew Kruk" <anywh...@wind.blows> wrote:
> $>> $> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7_a2wa2dd4
> $>
> $>> $==
> $>> $I was not a Trudeau fan but I agreed with his handling of the FLQ
> $>> $situation except for the way those murderous bastards got kid glove
> $>> $treatment and were allowed to "escape" to other climes and when they
> $>> $eventually returned to Canada got treated like frickin heroes. Two of
> $>> $them should have been hanged.
> $>> $==
> $>
> $>> $It does still amaze me to this day how many people voted for that
> $>> dumbsh1t.
> $>
> $> I think Roy is right about Trudeau's handling of the FLQ
> $> crisis.
> $
> $I look at it differently. PQ gets an extra $11B a year, every year. Say
> $over 30 years, some $330B.
> $
> $Should have let them leave and call it a day.
> $
> $> That said, I think he did a lot of damage to this country.
> $> And, of course, there is the NEP.
> $
> $People are still paying for Turdeaus fiscal indiscressions. Over $33B a
> $year goes to the debt he started.
> $
> $Or about 1/3 or your income tax dollar for LIFE.
And right now, courtesy of one recession, we are going even
deeper into debt.
And when you look at the numbers, it wouldn't matter which
party was in power. In fact, the Liberals and the NDP and
the BQ were prepared to bring down the government because
the Conservatives weren't spending us into debt fast enough.
John Fleming
> $
> $> While I do think that Trudeau was right by standing up to domestic
> $> terrorism, he way over did it by suspending civil liberties. That kind
> $> of reckless arrogance seemed to permeate in all of his subsequent dealings
> $> with the rest of the country. Canuck57 is right, I can't believe how many
> $> people voted for that divisive cancer.
> $
> $It is why I often wonder, are there really that many dump-stupid Canadians,
> $or are the elections rigged?
> $
> $Take how it is done now. How do we know they count right? We don't, not
> $really. The governemnt itself takes the votes, goes off unaudited and
> $counts.
Not 100% sure of the federal rules, but provincially we have
scrutineers, and I expect the federal rules are similar.
Now, admittedly, these people are appointed by the
candidates themselves, and look out for the candidates
interests. However, the scrutineers help make sure the
initial count on election night is kind of/sort of accurate.
If someone tried to "cook" the results, the other candidates
could scream blue murder because their scrutineers would
catch it.
In the days following an election, the returning officers
will do another count to get a more accurate result, though
except for a riding where the margin of victory is small,
this second count isn't likely to affect the results.
While it isn't a perfect system, it does work to improve the
accuracy of the result.
Roy
> "The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>
> news:h7lpeg$887$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>
>
>
>
>
> > John Fleming <nos...@sprynet.com> wrote:
>
> >>I think Roy is right about Trudeau's handling of the FLQ
> >>crisis.
>
> >>That said, I think he did a lot of damage to this country.
> >>And, of course, there is the NEP.
>
> > Just a coment from you John:
>
> > Why did Lougheed celebrate the NEP initially?
>
> > BTW, I am anti-NEP.
>
> Lougheed was a dirty and dumb politician, who wouldn't have gotten elected
>
> - Show quoted text -
I believe that you have pegged Lougheed wrongly...he did much good for
Alberta and Albertans. I have lived here for an eternity and I would
applaud Lougheed for his foresight and honesty.
==
Greg Goss
>Not 100% sure of the federal rules, but provincially we have
>scrutineers, and I expect the federal rules are similar.
>Now, admittedly, these people are appointed by the
>candidates themselves, and look out for the candidates
>interests. However, the scrutineers help make sure the
>initial count on election night is kind of/sort of accurate.
>
>If someone tried to "cook" the results, the other candidates
>could scream blue murder because their scrutineers would
>catch it.
I was a scrutineer for Reform once. This was in a "safe" NDP seat, so
the reform brass weren't too worried about it -- there was no
scrutineer assigned before I volunteered late on election day.
The results for the box we counted were tallied onto an official
(numbered) sheet and signed by each scrutineer. One copy of the tally
sheet went to the returning officer and one copy went to one of the
scrutineers.
I'm not sure how the totalling process is scrutinized. I suspect that
each box (polling station) total is provided to each party who could
compare this to the tally sheets provided by their scrutineers. Since
everyone "knew" that our riding was going to go NDP, nobody asked for
my copy of the tally sheet.
>In the days following an election, the returning officers
>will do another count to get a more accurate result, though
>except for a riding where the margin of victory is small,
>this second count isn't likely to affect the results.
>
>While it isn't a perfect system, it does work to improve the
>accuracy of the result.
--
Tomorrow is today already.
Greg Goss, 1989-01-27
The Doctor
Lougheed quit after the NEP.
Canuck57
"PV" <edrnouser@ spam telus.net> wrote in message
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You mean the Lougheed of NorTel and Carlyle (GM)??
But at least he had this going for him, he liked to argue with
Turdeau....which got him votes.
Canuck57
I agree in part, but he was a crook. A back room buddy kind. Under his
rule, offered NorTel millions of tax and incentives so when he quit as
premier he could sit on board seats. Later moving on to Carlyle, RBC and
others. But I do agree, at least he did some things right.
Canuck57
At least it will not be -30C.... ;)
Would be nice to see Harpo get exactly a 1 seat majority, so tight it
squeeks.
But not more, PMs with majority governments tend to be dictators and most
often the middle class gets screwed with higher taxes and less freedoms.
John Fleming
in the scriptorium "Canuck57" <fr...@nospam.com> wrote:
> $"John Fleming" <nos...@sprynet.com> wrote in message
> $> On Wed, 2 Sep 2009 18:25:32 -0600, while chained to a desk> $>> $"John Fleming" <nos...@sprynet.com> wrote in message
> $>> $news:rlkr959rlfujt9edr...@4ax.com...
> $>> $> On Tue, 1 Sep 2009 19:46:40 -0600, while chained to a desk
> $>> $> in the scriptorium "Canuck57" <fr...@nospam.com> wrote:
> $>> $>> $"Roy" <wil...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> $>> $>>
> $>> $news:66901f8a-571b-4e75...@k26g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
> $>> $>> $On Aug 31, 11:17 pm, "Matthew Kruk" <anywh...@wind.blows> wrote:
> $>> $>> $> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7_a2wa2dd4
> $>> $>
> $>> $>> $==
> $>> $>> $I was not a Trudeau fan but I agreed with his handling of the FLQ
> $>> $>> $situation except for the way those murderous bastards got kid glove
> $>> $>> $treatment and were allowed to "escape" to other climes and when they
> $>> $>> $eventually returned to Canada got treated like frickin heroes. Two
> $>> of
> $>> $>> $them should have been hanged.
> $>> $>> $==
> $>> $>
> $>> $>> $It does still amaze me to this day how many people voted for that
> $>> $>
> $>> $> I think Roy is right about Trudeau's handling of the FLQ
> $>> $
> $>> $I look at it differently. PQ gets an extra $11B a year, every year.
> $>> $over 30 years, some $330B.
> $>> $
> $>> $Should have let them leave and call it a day.
> $>> $
> $>> $> That said, I think he did a lot of damage to this country.
> $>> $
> $>> $People are still paying for Turdeaus fiscal indiscressions. Over $33B a
> $>> $
> $>> $Or about 1/3 or your income tax dollar for LIFE.
> $> And right now, courtesy of one recession, we are going even
> $> deeper into debt.
> $>
> $> And when you look at the numbers, it wouldn't matter which
> $> party was in power. In fact, the Liberals and the NDP and
> $> the BQ were prepared to bring down the government because
> $> the Conservatives weren't spending us into debt fast enough.
> $
> $At least it will not be -30C.... ;)
> $
> $Would be nice to see Harpo get exactly a 1 seat majority, so tight it
> $squeeks.
> $
> $But not more, PMs with majority governments tend to be dictators and most
> $often the middle class gets screwed with higher taxes and less freedoms.
I have to agree with that.
Even a majority of three to six seats would work.
MPs have to be away from the house often enough on things
like committee business, constituency matters, illness, and
other perfectly legitimate reasons.
Imagine losing a non-confidence vote because two MPs were
sick, another was snowed in at the airport in Vancouver, and
a fourth chose to play Elijah Harper and vote with the
opposition. (IIRC, it was Elijah Harper who brought down
the government in Manitoba by voting his mind and crossing
the floor on an important vote.)
John Fleming
in the scriptorium Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote:
> $John Fleming <nos...@sprynet.com> wrote:
> $
> $>Not 100% sure of the federal rules, but provincially we have
> $>scrutineers, and I expect the federal rules are similar.
> $>Now, admittedly, these people are appointed by the
> $>candidates themselves, and look out for the candidates
> $>interests. However, the scrutineers help make sure the
> $>initial count on election night is kind of/sort of accurate.
> $>
> $>If someone tried to "cook" the results, the other candidates
> $>could scream blue murder because their scrutineers would
> $>catch it.
> $
> $I was a scrutineer for Reform once. This was in a "safe" NDP seat, so
> $the reform brass weren't too worried about it -- there was no
> $scrutineer assigned before I volunteered late on election day.
It's quite an experience, isn't it?
I was scrutineer once for a provincial campaign.
> $The results for the box we counted were tallied onto an official
> $(numbered) sheet and signed by each scrutineer. One copy of the tally
> $sheet went to the returning officer and one copy went to one of the
> $scrutineers.
> $
> $I'm not sure how the totalling process is scrutinized. I suspect that
> $each box (polling station) total is provided to each party who could
> $compare this to the tally sheets provided by their scrutineers. Since
> $everyone "knew" that our riding was going to go NDP, nobody asked for
> $my copy of the tally sheet.
That's possible.
It may be that, by the time your poll reported, enough other
polls had reported that the result was a foregone
conclusiion.
Canuck57
So does Afganistan, Venezuela and other countries. Why are we using a
prehistoric voting method and not improvie it?
Canuck57
But in Florida, how many times did they count for the presidential race in
2000? This they ever come up with the same number twice?
John Fleming
in the scriptorium "Canuck57" <fr...@nospam.com> wrote:
> $"John Fleming" <nos...@sprynet.com> wrote in message
> $news:e7t0a552lopf119c2...@4ax.com...
> $> On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 00:56:31 -0700, while chained to a desk
> $> in the scriptorium Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote:
> $>> $John Fleming <nos...@sprynet.com> wrote:
> $>> $
> $>> $>Not 100% sure of the federal rules, but provincially we have
> $>> $>Now, admittedly, these people are appointed by the
> $>> $>candidates themselves, and look out for the candidates
> $>> $>interests. However, the scrutineers help make sure the
> $>> $>initial count on election night is kind of/sort of accurate.
> $>> $>
> $>> $>If someone tried to "cook" the results, the other candidates
> $>> $>catch it.
> $>> $
> $>> $I was a scrutineer for Reform once. This was in a "safe" NDP seat, so
> $>> $scrutineer assigned before I volunteered late on election day.
> $>
> $> It's quite an experience, isn't it?
> $>
> $> I was scrutineer once for a provincial campaign.
> $>
> $>> $The results for the box we counted were tallied onto an official
> $>> $(numbered) sheet and signed by each scrutineer. One copy of the tally
> $>> $sheet went to the returning officer and one copy went to one of the
> $>> $scrutineers.
> $>> $
> $>> $I'm not sure how the totalling process is scrutinized. I suspect that
> $>> $compare this to the tally sheets provided by their scrutineers. Since
> $>> $everyone "knew" that our riding was going to go NDP, nobody asked for
> $>> $my copy of the tally sheet.
> $>
> $> That's possible.
> $>
> $> It may be that, by the time your poll reported, enough other
> $> polls had reported that the result was a foregone
> $> conclusiion.
> $
> $But in Florida, how many times did they count for the presidential race in
> $2000? This they ever come up with the same number twice?
I can't speak for the US system; my experience is with the
system used in provincial elections in one Canadian
province.
Here in Alberta, a scrutineer could technically challenge
the validity of a ballot if it is marked with anything other
than an 'X' as per the Elections Act. That said, I expect
most scrutineers would let it pass as long as one candidate,
and only one candidate, is clearly marked on the ballot. In
other words, you could probably mark your candidate with a
happy face and it would still count.
Something called voter intention.
John Fleming
> $news:tbdu955grfhoe82li...@4ax.com...
> $> On Wed, 2 Sep 2009 18:33:52 -0600, while chained to a desk
> $> in the scriptorium "Canuck57" <fr...@nospam.com> wrote:
> $>> $"snowman" <x@x.x> wrote in message
> $>> news:FAknm.29166$bU2...@newsfe29.ams2...
> $>> $
> $>> $> While I do think that Trudeau was right by standing up to domestic
> $>> kind
> $>> $> of reckless arrogance seemed to permeate in all of his subsequent
> $>> dealings
> $>> $> with the rest of the country. Canuck57 is right, I can't believe how
> $>> many
> $>> $> people voted for that divisive cancer.
> $>> $
> $>> $It is why I often wonder, are there really that many dump-stupid
> $>> $or are the elections rigged?
> $>> $
> $>> $Take how it is done now. How do we know they count right? We don't,
> $>> $really. The governemnt itself takes the votes, goes off unaudited and
> $>> $counts.
> $>
> $> Not 100% sure of the federal rules, but provincially we have
> $> scrutineers, and I expect the federal rules are similar.
> $> Now, admittedly, these people are appointed by the
> $> candidates themselves, and look out for the candidates
> $> interests. However, the scrutineers help make sure the
> $> initial count on election night is kind of/sort of accurate.
> $
> $So does Afganistan, Venezuela and other countries. Why are we using a
> $prehistoric voting method and not improvie it?
Maybe because, if the voter is literate enough to be able to
read the ballot, the system works.
Canuck57
My point is that it may not mater. Why not cast your ballot to say 7
disassociated parties all at once? Is the system affraid of integrity? It
would even be green as people don't have to waste the gas to get there
in -15C like last time. Might even get more people voting. But there is
the big reason they fear it.
Sharx35
I'd restrict voting to those with PROVEN knowledge of the issues. Why should
ignorant fucks be able to vote? ANd do not give me any ignorant horseshit
LIEbrawl bullshit about it being the democratic thing to do. Firstly, voters
should be OVER 30. Secondly, they should have to own real estate of a
certain value.
John Fleming
the scriptorium "Sharx35" <sha...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> $"John Fleming" <nos...@sprynet.com> wrote in message
> $> Maybe because, if the voter is literate enough to be able to
> $> read the ballot, the system works.
> $
> $I'd restrict voting to those with PROVEN knowledge of the issues. Why should
> $ignorant fucks be able to vote? ANd do not give me any ignorant horseshit
> $LIEbrawl bullshit about it being the democratic thing to do. Firstly, voters
> $should be OVER 30. Secondly, they should have to own real estate of a
> $certain value.
Well, just because someone is under 30 doesn't mean they
know any less about current issues than someone over age 30.
By the way, I just did a quick back of the envelope
calculation.
The average house in Edmonton currently costs $366,788
(Source: Edmonton Real Estate Board/Realtor's Association of
Edmonton) Let's assume a 10% downpayment, meaning a
prospective buyer would need a mortgage of approximately
$330,000.
I'm also going to assume a 25 year amortization here.
I also took the average five year fixed mortgage rate posted
by three Schedule 1 Canadian chartered banks. That gave me
an interest rate of 5.7%.
This translates into annual mortgage payments of $25,200.
Throw in another $2,500 for property taxes brings the annual
housing bill to $27,700.
The general guideline is that housing should not be greater
than 30% of income. This is the rate used by subsidized
housing programs in Edmonton to determine eligibility for
housing subsidization.
Hence, to buy an average house in Edmonton, a person would
have to make $92,000 per year, or $44.23 per hour.
Sharx, if you limited property ownership to just people
owning their own home, you'd limit voters to roughly the top
10% of all tax filers by income. In essense, you'd be
creating a plutocracy.
PV
Not to mention trying to turn back the hands of time to the 19th Century.
Mr.Smartypants
Just prior to the American Revolution 160,000 land owners in GB voted
in a Parliament that governed 13,000,000 in GB and nearly 10,000,000
in British North America.
The King had no say.
> PV
>
> "Begin each day as if it were on purpose"
> Mary Anne Radmacher- Hide quoted text -
John Fleming
the scriptorium "PV" <edrnouser@ spam telus.net> wrote:
> $John Fleming wrote:
> $> On Sat, 05 Sep 2009 10:11:44 GMT, while chained to a desk in
> $> the scriptorium "Sharx35" <sha...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> $>> $"John Fleming" <nos...@sprynet.com> wrote in message
> $>> $news:14c3a5t7fug26n5e5...@4ax.com...
> $>
> $>> $> Maybe because, if the voter is literate enough to be able to
> $>> $> read the ballot, the system works.
> $>> $
> $>> $I'd restrict voting to those with PROVEN knowledge of the issues.
> $>> ignorant horseshit $LIEbrawl bullshit about it being the democratic
> $>> thing to do. Firstly, voters $should be OVER 30. Secondly, they
> $>> should have to own real estate of a $certain value.
> $>
> $> Well, just because someone is under 30 doesn't mean they
> $> know any less about current issues than someone over age 30.
> $>
> $> By the way, I just did a quick back of the envelope
> $> calculation.
> $>
> $> The average house in Edmonton currently costs $366,788
> $> (Source: Edmonton Real Estate Board/Realtor's Association of
> $> Edmonton) Let's assume a 10% downpayment, meaning a
> $> prospective buyer would need a mortgage of approximately
> $> $330,000.
> $>
> $> I'm also going to assume a 25 year amortization here.
> $>
> $> I also took the average five year fixed mortgage rate posted
> $> by three Schedule 1 Canadian chartered banks. That gave me
> $> an interest rate of 5.7%.
> $>
> $> This translates into annual mortgage payments of $25,200.
> $>
> $> Throw in another $2,500 for property taxes brings the annual
> $> housing bill to $27,700.
> $>
> $> The general guideline is that housing should not be greater
> $> than 30% of income. This is the rate used by subsidized
> $> housing programs in Edmonton to determine eligibility for
> $> housing subsidization.
> $>
> $> Hence, to buy an average house in Edmonton, a person would
> $> have to make $92,000 per year, or $44.23 per hour.
> $>
> $> Sharx, if you limited property ownership to just people
> $> owning their own home, you'd limit voters to roughly the top
> $> 10% of all tax filers by income. In essense, you'd be
> $> creating a plutocracy.
> $
> $Not to mention trying to turn back the hands of time to the 19th Century.
While I think sharx has some legitimate concerns vis-a-vis
many voters not taking any time to understand the issues,
turning the clock back 200 years to a time when voting was
limited to a priviledged few is not the answer to this
problem.
PV
Well it would help if people took the time to educate themselves before
voting I would be happier if people would actually get out and vote!
Plus my suspicion on Sharx is that anyone who doesn't vote the way he does
is an idiot anyway.
John Fleming
> $> the scriptorium "PV" <edrnouser@ spam telus.net> wrote:
> $>> $John Fleming wrote:
> $>> $> On Sat, 05 Sep 2009 10:11:44 GMT, while chained to a desk in
> $>> $> the scriptorium "Sharx35" <sha...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> $>> $>> $"John Fleming" <nos...@sprynet.com> wrote in message
> $>> $>> $news:14c3a5t7fug26n5e5...@4ax.com...
> $>> $>
> $>> $>> $> Maybe because, if the voter is literate enough to be able to
> $>> $>> $
> $>> $>> $I'd restrict voting to those with PROVEN knowledge of the
> $>> give me any $>> ignorant horseshit $LIEbrawl bullshit about it being
> $>> the democratic $>> thing to do. Firstly, voters $should be OVER 30.
> $>> Secondly, they $>> should have to own real estate of a $certain
> $>> value. $>
> $>> $> Well, just because someone is under 30 doesn't mean they
> $>> $>
> $>> $> By the way, I just did a quick back of the envelope
> $>> $>
> $>> $> The average house in Edmonton currently costs $366,788
> $>> $> Edmonton) Let's assume a 10% downpayment, meaning a
> $>> $> prospective buyer would need a mortgage of approximately
> $>> $> $330,000.
> $>> $>
> $>> $> I'm also going to assume a 25 year amortization here.
> $>> $>
> $>> $> I also took the average five year fixed mortgage rate posted
> $>> $> an interest rate of 5.7%.
> $>> $>
> $>> $> This translates into annual mortgage payments of $25,200.
> $>> $>
> $>> $> Throw in another $2,500 for property taxes brings the annual
> $>> $>
> $>> $> The general guideline is that housing should not be greater
> $>> $> housing programs in Edmonton to determine eligibility for
> $>> $> housing subsidization.
> $>> $>
> $>> $> Hence, to buy an average house in Edmonton, a person would
> $>> $>
> $>> $> Sharx, if you limited property ownership to just people
> $>> $> 10% of all tax filers by income. In essense, you'd be
> $>> $> creating a plutocracy.
> $>> $
> $>> $Not to mention trying to turn back the hands of time to the 19th
> $>
> $> While I think sharx has some legitimate concerns vis-a-vis
> $> many voters not taking any time to understand the issues,
> $> turning the clock back 200 years to a time when voting was
> $> limited to a priviledged few is not the answer to this
> $> problem.
> $
> $Well it would help if people took the time to educate themselves before
> $voting I would be happier if people would actually get out and vote!
Agreed.
A couple of years back, I pulled voter turnout statistics
from the Elections Canada web site. I don't have the
numbers handy anymore, but IIRC, voter turnout has been
steadily dropping over the half century.
> $Plus my suspicion on Sharx is that anyone who doesn't vote the way he does
> $is an idiot anyway.
I suspect you are correct there PV.
50s
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> > On Fri, 4 Sep 2009 05:31:10 -0600, while chained to a desk
> > in the scriptorium "Canuck57" <f...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >> $"John Fleming" <nos...@sprynet.com> wrote in message
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> >> $> On Wed, 2 Sep 2009 18:33:52 -0600, while chained to a desk
> >> $>> $"snowman" <x...@x.x> wrote in message
I hear Little Richard owns land up there, and he is certainly over 30.
Sharx35
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Bring back the poll tax and make it his Net Worth plus $1.