Anne Campell's Rubbish
Stuart Moore
Colin Rosenstiel
usenet_0...@stuartmoore.org.uk (Stuart Moore) wrote:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4226185.stm - entry for 24 Feb
I've seen that story adn don't understand what is behind it. The City
Council has no policy to challenge bin users in this way. Indeed, I can't
get the staff support to respond to residents' persistent demands to clear
bins blocking pavements all week.
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Colin Rosenstiel
Craig
> Council has no policy to challenge bin users in this way. Indeed, I can't
> get the staff support to respond to residents' persistent demands to clear
> bins blocking pavements all week.
Burglary artifice? Unusual technique though.
Mike Edie
> In article <d00gk8$a0g$1...@gemini.csx.cam.ac.uk>,
> usenet_0...@stuartmoore.org.uk (Stuart Moore) wrote:
>
>
>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4226185.stm - entry for 24 Feb
>
>
> I've seen that story adn don't understand what is behind it. The City
> Council has no policy to challenge bin users in this way.
Really? Wasn't Iain Coleman saying something along these lines not so
long ago? (Blog oddly down today)
I could be wrong but I'm sure there were plans to scold naughty people
who put rubbish in their rubbish bins.[1]
Indeed, I can't
> get the staff support to respond to residents' persistent demands to clear
> bins blocking pavements all week.
How is that possible when the bins are apparently too heavy for the bin
men to drag them 20 yards? Its 100 yards to my back garden and I presume
half the people in Romsey town terraced shoe boxes have a similar distance.
Also, was it not the Lib Dems who allowed cars to park on the poorly lit
pavements in Romsey town thus making pedestrians walk on the road at night?
Finally, my bin is often left by the bin men with my neighbour or just
tossed back on the pavement rather than tucked tidely away where they
got it.
M
[1] I'm also a keen composter.
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Linda Fox
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Arf. Pitty those poor souls on the London Flora marathon then.
Mike Edie
ROFL!
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Rachel
On Tue, 1 Mar 2005, Stuart Moore wrote:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4226185.stm - entry for 24 Feb
>
I used to live *very near* to anne campbell - she's pro-green when it
comes to cycling allowance rates (20p per mile) but didn't do recycling
black box etc. seriously - I know this because there's a PhD student in
Cambridge in possession of a photo diary of anne campbell's bin contents,
nothing to do with his PhD, he just decided it might be nice to have lots
and lots of photos of a black box with one jar/can rolling around - this
is what too much education does for you. I think she has a positive
anti-recycling policy so it's an on principle thing...
Colin Rosenstiel
mike...@nospamthankyoumam.com (Mike Edie) wrote:
> Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
> > In article <d00gk8$a0g$1...@gemini.csx.cam.ac.uk>,
> > usenet_0...@stuartmoore.org.uk (Stuart Moore) wrote:
> >
> >
> >>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4226185.stm - entry for 24 Feb
> >
> >
> > I've seen that story adn don't understand what is behind it. The City
> > Council has no policy to challenge bin users in this way.
>
> Really? Wasn't Iain Coleman saying something along these lines not so
> long ago? (Blog oddly down today)
>
> I could be wrong but I'm sure there were plans to scold naughty people
> who put rubbish in their rubbish bins.[1]
That's correct, though quite old. There were problems nearly five years
ago with non-compostables in green bins but the idea of challenging people
for not putting enough in green bins has no councillor authority that I am
aware of.
> > Indeed, I can't
> > get the staff support to respond to residents' persistent demands to
> > clear bins blocking pavements all week.
>
> How is that possible when the bins are apparently too heavy for the bin
> men to drag them 20 yards? Its 100 yards to my back garden and I
> presume half the people in Romsey town terraced shoe boxes have a
> similar distance.
No, that's not the point at all. Wheelie bins were introduced in 1988,
following a pilot in 1987, on the basis that householders put them out
each week at their highway boundary for collection and then took them back
in. Anyone who had to take their bin through their house in order to do
this should have been offered a supply of plastic bags instead.
> Also, was it not the Lib Dems who allowed cars to park on the poorly
> lit pavements in Romsey town thus making pedestrians walk on the road
> at night?
It is a long standing policy of councils of all political control. How
else do you propose Romsey should cope with the motor car? Knock houses
down? It's a compromise.
> Finally, my bin is often left by the bin men with my neighbour or just
> tossed back on the pavement rather than tucked tidely away where they
> got it.
>
> M
>
> [1] I'm also a keen composter.
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>
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Colin Rosenstiel
Magwitch
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4226185.stm - entry for 24 Feb
How did she vote in the Anti-Terror committee stage yesterday? Anyone know?
Stuart Moore
Mike W Miller
Look in Hansard! It's online and everything, you know...
Ok, I'll look for you just this once...
No on the programme motion
Yes on the first division (amendment to need to apply to a court for an
order)
No on the second (Tory amendment to tighten up the conditions for an
order)
Yes on the third (Clause stand part)
Abstained on third reading
Pretty good really, I don't understand her voting yes on clause stand
part, but...
Mike
Charlie
You can find out a lot of this sort of stuff at
www.TheyWorkForYou.com.
Oh and it uses a really good search engine </plug>
C
Mike W Miller
No, don't see that, see my answer here, because mine is accurate :-)
Mike
Mark Carroll
Colin Rosenstiel <rosen...@cix.co.uk> wrote:
(snip)
>It is a long standing policy of councils of all political control. How
>else do you propose Romsey should cope with the motor car? Knock houses
>down? It's a compromise.
<troll>Clearly they should leave it at a sort of park and ride that
they take the bus back out to. We shouldn't push P&R onto only the
people living outside Cambridge and coming in: it's not their fault if
the city economy doesn't want there to be out of town shopping
centres.</troll>
-- Mark
Colin Rosenstiel
She was one of the 60 rebels when the Government's majority was down to 14
but otherwise supported them.
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Colin Rosenstiel
Mike Edie
> In article <11096660...@itn.cam.harlequin.co.uk>,
> mike...@nospamthankyoumam.com (Mike Edie) wrote:
>
>
>>Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
>>
>>>In article <d00gk8$a0g$1...@gemini.csx.cam.ac.uk>,
>>>usenet_0...@stuartmoore.org.uk (Stuart Moore) wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4226185.stm - entry for 24 Feb
>>>
>>>
>>>I've seen that story adn don't understand what is behind it. The City
>>>Council has no policy to challenge bin users in this way.
>>
>>Really? Wasn't Iain Coleman saying something along these lines not so
>>long ago? (Blog oddly down today)
>>
>>I could be wrong but I'm sure there were plans to scold naughty people
>>who put rubbish in their rubbish bins.[1]
>
>
> That's correct, though quite old. There were problems nearly five years
> ago with non-compostables in green bins but the idea of challenging people
> for not putting enough in green bins has no councillor authority that I am
> aware of.
Are the Lib Dems not doing this in Barnet now? Are they not fining
people for exactly this?
>>>Indeed, I can't
>>>get the staff support to respond to residents' persistent demands to
>>>clear bins blocking pavements all week.
>>
>>How is that possible when the bins are apparently too heavy for the bin
>>men to drag them 20 yards? Its 100 yards to my back garden and I
>>presume half the people in Romsey town terraced shoe boxes have a
>>similar distance.
>
>
> No, that's not the point at all. Wheelie bins were introduced in 1988,
> following a pilot in 1987, on the basis that householders put them out
> each week at their highway boundary for collection and then took them back
> in. Anyone who had to take their bin through their house in order to do
> this should have been offered a supply of plastic bags instead.
[warning: pet subject alert]
<rant>
Well when I bought my house in 1994 they came and picked the bins up
from the back lane. Now its deemed "too dangerous". Councillor Catherine
"Chocolate Fire-guard" Smart was amazingly useless sorting this one out.
Then there was the case of that old woman on the TV who suddenly had to
drag her bin the length of the street when they had previously been
picking it up for years.
I should also add that lugging bags through the house on a Tuesday
morning is no fun for my octogenarian neighbour when she previously just
left her bin where it was at the bottom of the garden.
Then there is the question: will they pick up the damn bag anyway?
>>Also, was it not the Lib Dems who allowed cars to park on the poorly
>>lit pavements in Romsey town thus making pedestrians walk on the road
>>at night?
>
>
> It is a long standing policy of councils of all political control. How
> else do you propose Romsey should cope with the motor car? Knock houses
> down? It's a compromise.
You bloody started whining about this mate. Wheelie bins this, miserable
untidy locals that. Do you think the people of Romsey leave their bins
out for a laugh? Do you think they enjoy stumbling through the dark over
bins, dog turds and badly parked 4x4s?
I would say: pay the bin people enough to collect and return bins and
charge us through our council tax or whatever. As for car parking
perhaps we should consider the elderly pedestrians, the infirm and the
children crammed into that 18 inch strip of tarmac. That said, I'm up
the other end and I'd leave it to the residents down that way to argue
out as long as they take the safety consequences.
</rant>
Right, Lib Dem councillors support for re-electing councillors who are
pro-torture ...
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Mark Carroll
Mike Edie <mike...@nospamthankyoumam.com> wrote:
(snip)
>charge us through our council tax or whatever. As for car parking
>perhaps we should consider the elderly pedestrians, the infirm and the
>children crammed into that 18 inch strip of tarmac. That said, I'm up
I must admit, I've become more conscious of that sort of thing since
I've been pushing small children around in buggies. Maybe I should
try being in a wheelchair for the day to see how annoyed I get.
-- Mark
Magwitch
Thanks Mike, you'd make someone a jolly good Parliamentary Secretary... ;o)
Mike W Miller
Err, sorry, but no she didn't! Look up Hansard.
Mike
Colin Rosenstiel
mike...@nospamthankyoumam.com (Mike Edie) wrote:
> <rant>
> Well when I bought my house in 1994 they came and picked the bins up
> from the back lane. Now its deemed "too dangerous". Councillor
> Catherine "Chocolate Fire-guard" Smart was amazingly useless sorting
> this one out.
>
> Then there was the case of that old woman on the TV who suddenly had to
> drag her bin the length of the street when they had previously been
> picking it up for years.
You can hardly blame a councillor. When the people running the bins
service cry "Health and Safety" there is nothing she can do to change the
law. I know it's incredibly annoying but standards have risen somewhat on
that front. Maybe beyond the bounds of common sense.
> I should also add that lugging bags through the house on a Tuesday
> morning is no fun for my octogenarian neighbour when she previously
> just left her bin where it was at the bottom of the garden.
Old people are supposed to get help for this. To be honest I don't know
how but a call to the helpdesk (458282) should find out.
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Colin Rosenstiel
Colin Rosenstiel
mike...@nospamthankyoumam.com (Mike Edie) wrote:
> > That's correct, though quite old. There were problems nearly five
> > years ago with non-compostables in green bins but the idea of
> > challenging people for not putting enough in green bins has no
> > councillor authority that I am aware of.
>
> Are the Lib Dems not doing this in Barnet now? Are they not fining
> people for exactly this?
ITYF that's the Tories in Barnet.
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Colin Rosenstiel
Gropius Riftwynde
<mike...@nospamthankyoumam.com> wrote:
>I could be wrong but I'm sure there were plans to scold naughty people
>who put rubbish in their rubbish bins.[1]
I lost my green bin during a gale a few weeks ago. Therefore I am now
naughty whether I lke it or not. Not only that, but the bin men (who
won't pick up extras, sucha s cardboard boxes and black bags), told me
off for doing exactly that *myself* (no effort on their part) when the
van came round. Who pays these fuckers' wages?
GR
Mike Edie
Blimey you appear to be right. (from what I can see on
http://www.writetothem.com).
I retract and apologies.
John Penton
> Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
>> That's correct, though quite old. There were problems nearly five
>> years ago with non-compostables in green bins but the idea of
>> challenging people for not putting enough in green bins has no
>> councillor authority that I am aware of.
>
> Are the Lib Dems not doing this in Barnet now? Are they not fining
> people for exactly this?
And considering it for Cambridge as recently as last summer:
http://w3.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/cambridge/story.asp?StoryID=57159
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otherwise.
The Natural Philosopher
Sounds a prefcrtly reasonable thing to me. Knock the whole of Romsey
town down and start again.
Colin Rosenstiel
(John Penton) wrote:
> Mike Edie wrote:
> > Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
> >> That's correct, though quite old. There were problems nearly five
> >> years ago with non-compostables in green bins but the idea of
> >> challenging people for not putting enough in green bins has no
> >> councillor authority that I am aware of.
> >
> > Are the Lib Dems not doing this in Barnet now? Are they not fining
> > people for exactly this?
>
> And considering it for Cambridge as recently as last summer:
>
> http://w3.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/cambridge/story.asp?StoryID=57159
As should be clear since then, we pretty obviously decided not to go down
that road, not for now anyway.
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Colin Rosenstiel
Colin Rosenstiel
rosen...@cix.co.uk (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:
> In article <d00gk8$a0g$1...@gemini.csx.cam.ac.uk>,
> usenet_0...@stuartmoore.org.uk (Stuart Moore) wrote:
>
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4226185.stm - entry for 24 Feb
>
> I've seen that story adn don't understand what is behind it. The City
> Council has no policy to challenge bin users in this way. Indeed, I
> can't get the staff support to respond to residents' persistent demands
> to clear bins blocking pavements all week.
Looking at the story more closely from the press cuttings, the magic words
that we have been overlooking are these: "When Cambridge City Council
first introduced green bins, I was visited". That's many years ago under a
different regime in all respects.
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Colin Rosenstiel
Patrick Gosling
Colin Rosenstiel <rosen...@cix.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <d00gk8$a0g$1...@gemini.csx.cam.ac.uk>,
>usenet_0...@stuartmoore.org.uk (Stuart Moore) wrote:
>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4226185.stm - entry for 24 Feb
>
>I've seen that story adn don't understand what is behind it. The City
>Council has no policy to challenge bin users in this way. Indeed, I can't
>get the staff support to respond to residents' persistent demands to clear
>bins blocking pavements all week.
Sounds like a good bet would be that the "council officer" was a
journalist trying to blag their way to a good story?
-patrick.
Colin Rosenstiel
(Patrick Gosling) wrote:
See my post this morning. It's a very old story it would appear.
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Colin Rosenstiel
A Plagued Lighthouse Keeper
A different regime? Really? How so? Same excuses. Same ballsups
everywhere. No change in behaviour as far as the city residents are
concerned.
Colin Rosenstiel
Plagued Lighthouse Keeper) wrote:
> > Looking at the story more closely from the press cuttings, the magic
> > words that we have been overlooking are these: "When Cambridge City
> > Council first introduced green bins, I was visited". That's many
> > years ago under a different regime in all respects.
> >
>
> A different regime? Really? How so? Same excuses. Same ballsups
> everywhere. No change in behaviour as far as the city residents are
> concerned.
Different political control for starters but, more to the point, the whole
recycling situation was rather different then. A different range of things
were allowed in green bins and there were no dry recycling boxes.
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Colin Rosenstiel
Jonathan Larmour
>I used to live *very near* to anne campbell - she's pro-green when it
>comes to cycling allowance rates (20p per mile) but didn't do recycling
>black box etc. seriously - I know this because there's a PhD student in
>Cambridge in possession of a photo diary of anne campbell's bin contents,
>nothing to do with his PhD, he just decided it might be nice to have lots
>and lots of photos of a black box with one jar/can rolling around - this
>is what too much education does for you. I think she has a positive
>anti-recycling policy so it's an on principle thing...
Though I hate to defend her, I imagine the volume of paper, for example,
she gets through would far exceed what would be allowed in a domestic
kerbside collection, so she probably makes other arrangements.
And while she's in London, she won't be generating much rubbish here.
Jifl
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Colin Rosenstiel
Larmour) wrote:
> Rachel <rhb21-b...@cam.ac.uk> enlightened us with:
> >I used to live *very near* to anne campbell - she's pro-green when it
> >comes to cycling allowance rates (20p per mile) but didn't do
> >recycling black box etc. seriously - I know this because there's a PhD
> >student in Cambridge in possession of a photo diary of anne campbell's
> >bin contents, nothing to do with his PhD, he just decided it might be
> >nice to have lots and lots of photos of a black box with one jar/can
> >rolling around - this is what too much education does for you. I think
> >she has a positive anti-recycling policy so it's an on principle
> >thing...
>
> Though I hate to defend her, I imagine the volume of paper, for example,
> she gets through would far exceed what would be allowed in a domestic
> kerbside collection, so she probably makes other arrangements.
I doubt she beats two executive councillors. We do use two black boxes at
times. There are confidential waste recycling facilities available to us
and we take envelopes back to the Guildhall for re-use.
> And while she's in London, she won't be generating much rubbish here.
Probably more to the point.
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Colin Rosenstiel