Re: Massachusetts restricts unions
swampstomper
> Wow, the labor union "elected those democrats". Whoda thunk that?
Unions are a significant voting bloc but obviously not enough to put
candidates in office without the support of non-union voters. They can
however make the difference in a close race. So what the dude said isn't
really that far from the truth.
Gerry Peters
<vdrumsYourHe...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>Thanks Republic^h^h^h er, other guys!
>
>http://www.boston.com/news/politics/articles/2011/04/27/house_votes_to_limit_bargaining_on_health_care/
>
>"It’s pretty stunning," said Robert J. Haynes, president of the
>Massachusetts AFL-CIO. "These are the same Democrats that all
>these labor unions elected."
>
>Wow, the labor union "elected those democrats". Whoda thunk that?
that's a huge mistake Dems voting for this. They need to be in
contrast with the Reeps on this issue. This is a winning issue for
Dems in 2012, if the perception is that the Reeps want to destroy
unions and Dems want to save them.
--
Gerry Peters
swampstomper
news:Xns9ED556E812B92Br...@81.169.183.62:
> I find it interesting that city and state governments running out of
> money, and trying to trim Cadillac benefit packages is a Reeps vs Dems
> thing.
>
> The people who are paying for those Cadillac benefits don't have
> Cadillac benefits, yet the paupers get to pay for the ruling class'
> luxury.
What you are describing as "Cadillac" benefits is no doubt what many
working class people could reasonably expect as part of their compensation
not that long ago.
We'll get those middle class working stiffs yet!!! They'll have nothing by
the time we're done! Yeah baby!!!
Zelix
Well it's obvious that both sides of the two party dictatorship has
been bought and paid for by interest other than the people of the
USA.
time to shit can the 2 parties, IMO.
swampstomper
news:Xns9ED561B791716Br...@81.169.183.62:
> Just raise my taxes, so the slugs in government can have their Cadillac
> benefit packages!
You calling RR a slug?
>Paupers paying for the ruling class's perks! Yeah baby!
Stick to the plan G!!! We nned to make damn sure that no working people get
any benefits of any kind! Who the fuck do they think they are?
Zelix
wrote:
> The killer robot swampstomper <sfv...@yahoo.com> grabbed the controls of
> the spaceship cakewalk.coffeehouse and pressed these buttons...
>
> >> Just raise my taxes, so the slugs in government can have their
> >> Cadillac benefit packages!
>
> > You calling RR a slug?
>
> Cadillac health care and retirement benefits like gov't . . .
>
> >>Paupers paying for the ruling class's perks! Yeah baby!
> > Stick to the plan G!!! We nned to make damn sure that no working
> > people get any benefits of any kind! Who the fuck do they think they
> > are?
>
> own health care and retirement, eliminating me as a future burden to the
> system, but instead, I work more than a fourth of the year to pay for
> someone else's Cadillac benefit package, who most likely does a shitty job
> at what they do.
>
> --
There will be no plans for anyone soon, pal. Wait a while longer and
they'll gut the whole fucking economy.
swampstomper
news:Xns9ED56E0248D0FBr...@81.169.183.62:
>I work more than a fourth of the year to
> pay for someone else's Cadillac benefit package
The percentage of your tax dollar that pays for the health benefits of
gov't employees is probably way less than 1%. And the claim that you work
one forth of the year to pay your taxes is probably not accurate either.
>who most likely does
> a shitty job at what they do.
Can't argue with that. RR is dicking around in here all day while he is
supposed to be working. If this is any indication of the typical work ethic
of gov't employees we are getting shanked in a major fucking way!
swampstomper
news:Xns9ED5727603163Br...@81.169.183.62:
> Tax freedom day was April 12 2011 this year
You posted about it at the time and I posted a link demonstrating why
it's misleading and mostly innaccurate. Even just knowing yourself what
you actually pay in taxes should have told you that.
Here's a different link that basically tells the same story.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/12/tax-freedom-day-middle-class_n_843847.html
BobF
> The killer robot swampstomper<sfv...@yahoo.com> grabbed the controls of
> the spaceship cakewalk.coffeehouse and pressed these buttons...
>
>>
>> You posted about it at the time and I posted a link demonstrating why
>> it's misleading and mostly innaccurate. Even just knowing yourself
>> what you actually pay in taxes should have told you that.
>
> pretty much equals the amount extracted from my check, so although parts of
> that extraction go to various different places, it's still money that I
> worked for and earned that I don't get.
>
>
So The Rich *do* pay more!
"The Tax Foundation's calculation, however, doesn't account for
America's richest citizens paying taxes at significantly higher rates
than middle- and low-income taxpayers. Instead, they simply divide total
taxes collected ($3.628 trillion) by the net national product of the
country ($13.107 trillion)."
Gerry Peters
<vdrumsYourHe...@cox.net> wrote:
>The killer robot Gerry Peters <Gerry...@nospam.com> grabbed the
>controls of the spaceship cakewalk.coffeehouse and pressed these
>buttons...
>
>>>Thanks Republic^h^h^h er, other guys!
>>>
>>>http://www.boston.com/news/politics/articles/2011/04/27/house_votes_to_
>>>limit_bargaining_on_health_care/
>>>
>>>"It's pretty stunning," said Robert J. Haynes, president of the
>>>Massachusetts AFL-CIO. "These are the same Democrats that all
>>>these labor unions elected."
>>>
>>>Wow, the labor union "elected those democrats". Whoda thunk that?
>>
>> that's a huge mistake Dems voting for this. They need to be in
>> contrast with the Reeps on this issue. This is a winning issue for
>> Dems in 2012, if the perception is that the Reeps want to destroy
>> unions and Dems want to save them.
>
>I find it interesting that city and state governments running out of money,
that's because the stimulus money ran out and the House won't order
any more stimulus. remember the Reep lie that the stimulus didn't
work. BS it did work. When it came out they said it would save
teachers, cops, firemen, etc jobs, now that it's run out we're seeing
the effect and it would have been far worse when the economy was worse
2 years ago.
>and trying to trim Cadillac benefit packages is a Reeps vs Dems thing.
>
>The people who are paying for those Cadillac benefits don't have Cadillac
>benefits, yet the paupers get to pay for the ruling class' luxury.
Cadillac benefits is a Reep talking point and a lie. In almost every
case they are very modest benefits, besides those workers had money
deducted from their salary to pay for those benefits, they deserve
them
--
Gerry Peters
swampstomper
> Working people. That obviously would exclude you so no worries.
I only wish that were true. At least I'm not making my living getting over
on the taxpayers you fucking dirtbag.
swampstomper
news:Xns9ED587EF66A91Br...@81.169.183.62:
> Republicans wrote all this then?
>
> http://www.usajobs.gov/ei/benefits.asp
Where's the Cadillac part? Seems like what once would have been considered
a pretty standard benefits package. The fact that you view it as lavish
only serves to demonstrate how far typical employee compensation has fallen
over the years.
swampstomper
news:Xns9ED59937E102ABr...@81.169.183.62:
> It is lavish,
Which part?
Would a benefits package like that be considered lavish say, 20 or 30 years
ago?
>and paid for with some of the money removed from my
> paycheck.
Well, Lord knows if you were somehow able to keep all that money the whole
fucking planet would come screeching to a halt! No benefits, no fucking
firemen, nothing. IT WOULD ALL STOP!!! AND THE WORLD WOULD BE A BETTER
PLACE!!!
I'd actually be all in favor of a lifetime Glennbo-only tax holiday.
Anything to not have to listen to you cry about it so much. <g>
swampstomper
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> The killer robot Gregor <sl...@nospam.com> grabbed the controls of the
> spaceship cakewalk.coffeehouse and pressed these buttons...
>
>> Cadillac plan my ass
>
> Our health insurance program is a nationally recognized model
> 10 paid holidays every year
> 13 days of sick leave
> 13 to 26 vacation days
> a social security benefit
> a 401(k) type plan
> special bonuses such as a recruitment bonus
> student loan repayment programs
> Etc. Etc. Etc.
I'm not seeing the problem. A Cadillac plan would have to include stuff
like a membership at the gym, massages, golf outings. You know, stuff like
what the corporate assholes get.
What's listed above was once pretty standard stuff.
BobF
> Glennbo<vdrumsYourHe...@cox.net> wrote in
> news:Xns9ED59A501201ABr...@81.169.183.62:
>
>> The killer robot Gregor<sl...@nospam.com> grabbed the controls of the
>> spaceship cakewalk.coffeehouse and pressed these buttons...
>>
>> thing.
>>
>
>
> Most often deficits bolloned by Draconian Corporate tax Welfare - is a
> coservative vs progressive thing. If you haven't noticd by now, there
> exists such a thing as a minority of conservative Democrates who often
> favor the same anti American ideas as Republicans. This has been pointed
> out to you ad nauseam, but you choose to forget it because it spoils your
> intellectually dishonest halftrooth attempt at argument.
>
>
>
>
>> The people who are paying for those Cadillac benefits don't have
>> Cadillac benefits, yet the paupers get to pay for the ruling class'
>> luxury.
>>
>
> on a daily basis face the very real prospect of severe bodily harm should
> settle for Glennbo's personal shitty heathcare that covers him at his
> similarly "dangerous" job.
>
> Cadillac plan my ass.
>
>>
>> Our health insurance program is a nationally recognized model
>> 10 paid holidays every year
>> 13 days of sick leave
>> 13 to 26 vacation days
>> a social security benefit
>> a 401(k) type plan
>> special bonuses such as a recruitment bonus
>> student loan repayment programs
>> Etc. Etc. Etc.
>>
>
> very important! Wouldn't you say???????????????? Sick days don't do much
> to pay serious doctor bill and dangerous job injuries, now does it?
>
> I still find it interesting that Glennbo thinks police officers and
> firemen who on a daily basis face the very real prospect of severe bodily
> harm should settle for Glennbo's personal shitty heathcare that covers
> him at his similarly "dangerous" job.
>
>
> Adress the issue conserning high risk occupation please.
> Thank you!
OK. Is every federal gubment employee in a high risk occupation? Out
of all of the employees covered by the plans described G's link, what
percentage of them do you think are police or fire protection?
Maybe we should have fed gubment employee seasons. We would get revenue
from license/tag sales PLUS all fed gubment jobs could be considered
hazardous!!!!!!!!!!!
(Don't forget the Cody '!' rule)
swampstomper
> #2.) Glennbo's loaded description of "Cadillac" is plainly dishonest,
It really seems a lot more like a "Chrysler" plan to me. Not that bad, but
it ain't no Cadillac!
BobF
> BobF<noth...@nospam.yum> wrote in news:ipcjej$o66$1...@dont-email.me:
> #1) so you both agree that F& P deserve full coverage HC. excellent! TY
> for agreeing.
>
> #2.) Glennbo's loaded description of "Cadillac" is plainly dishonest, and
> has a lot more to do with his personal perception of the very real
> limitations of his own Private HC Ins plan. His Ins pool is smaller - he
> get's less coverage per $ paid in. Public plans are superior for a
> plethora of reasons.
>
> #3.) It is irrational to expect public servants to be willing to withhold
> their more powerful Ins $, to compensate for Glennbos less powerful Ins $.
> Glennbo is actually the drag on the system and wasting $/income on a more
> expensive but similar plan.
>
> #4.) Glennbo's smaller private plan is comparitively fiscally irresponcible
> to the public plan.
>
> #5.) Glennbo should stop blaming firemen and lobby HARD for SINGLE PAYER
> and be done with all this smoke and BS about cadillac plans.
>
>
>
>> Maybe we should have fed gubment employee seasons. We would get
>> revenue from license/tag sales PLUS all fed gubment jobs could be
>> considered hazardous!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> (Don't forget the Cody '!' rule)
>
I didn't see G-man blaming F&P. You didn't answer the questions about
how F&P are covered under the fed employee plans.
dick
>>> It is lavish,
>> Which part?
> Gov't employee gets *TEN* paid holidays compared to my Thanksgiving,
> Christmas, and New Years days off.
> Gov't employee gets 13 days of sick leave each year compared to my 5.
> Gov't employee gets 13 to 26 vacation days, compared to my 10.
> Gov't employee gets a a 401(k) with matching, compared to my nothing.
> Note that I didn't mention health care. I do get some health care through
> my employer, but it all ends the second I don't work there any more, unless
> I begin to pay 100% of the costs.
Well g'blo, you have to expect to pay some sort of premium for choosing
to live in Bumfuck! :-D
dick
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BobF
> BobF<noth...@nospam.yum> wrote in news:ipcosv$nnl$1...@dont-email.me:
> pool. That = better bennefits for similar expenditure. Ins $ power is a
> sign of superior fiscal logic. Glennbo needs to get out of his plan, not
> the other way around. People bitching about public servants have got the
> fiscal logic completely backwards. The wrong thing to do is make public
> plans mirror smaller or dumb them down. One big pool for everybody.
>
> The concept of Ins is not complicated. The bigger the pool = statiscally
> less expersive per individual. Little private plans are for uber rich who
> want to pad their stats by eliminating poor people. Little private plans
> are for morally compromised mammon praying cowards.
>
> The End.
That all sounds great, BUT, we haven't seen the costs for these plans.
How can you claim how cheap they are without some real analysis? If you
had numbers that pointed out how the fed employees plans cost the same,
in total, as equal private sector plans, then pool size might be a good
point.
And nothing has been posted that addresses the fact that these plans are
subsidized by people that don't get the benefit.
And not all of the contributors are as wealthy as Glennbo!
swampstomper
> And nothing has been posted that addresses the fact that these plans
> are subsidized by people that don't get the benefit.
How is this different from private sector plans where the employer makes a
contribution?
> And not all of the contributors are as wealthy as Glennbo!
Well, that goes without saying! <g>
Zelix
> Innews:Xns9ED5A5474A73...@216.168.3.70the killer robot
> swampstomper <sfv...@yahoo.com> grabbed the controls of the spaceship
> cakewalk.coffeehouse and pressed these buttons...
>
>
> > Which part?
>
>
> Gov't employee gets *TEN* paid holidays compared to my Thanksgiving,
> Christmas, and New Years days off.
>
> Gov't employee gets 13 days of sick leave each year compared to my 5.
>
> Gov't employee gets 13 to 26 vacation days, compared to my 10.
>
> Gov't employee gets a a 401(k) with matching, compared to my nothing.
>
> Note that I didn't mention health care. I do get some health care through
> my employer, but it all ends the second I don't work there any more, unless
> I begin to pay 100% of the costs.
>
> > years ago?
>
> I've in part paid for gov't workers to get all that stuff for a good solid
> 20 - 30 years now.
>
> >> and paid for with some of the money removed from my
> >> paycheck.
>
> > Well, Lord knows if you were somehow able to keep all that money the
> > whole fucking planet would come screeching to a halt! No benefits, no
> > fucking firemen, nothing. IT WOULD ALL STOP!!! AND THE WORLD WOULD BE
> > A BETTER PLACE!!!
>
> > I'd actually be all in favor of a lifetime Glennbo-only tax holiday.
> > Anything to not have to listen to you cry about it so much. <g>
>
>
>
You know I hear what you are saying and feel your pain so to speak.
I'm pretty much in the same boat. I can't help but think that these
"Cadillac" plans should be the norm. It seems as if the rest of the
world is getting better gigs while the USA pays for it all. I know
that Iraq got national health care...WTF? Why can't we? Hell we paid
for russian army dudes to buy houses a few decades ago. Why are we
doing this shit?
Why is it that the gov. wants more money from us. They take that money
and give it to other countries that hate us. Why can't the gov. put
the money back into the very people that it's supposedly looking out
for?
just my observation.
BobF
> BobF<noth...@nospam.yum> wrote in news:ipe4il$kns$1...@dont-email.me:
>
>
>> And nothing has been posted that addresses the fact that these plans
>> are subsidized by people that don't get the benefit.
>
> How is this different from private sector plans where the employer makes a
> contribution?
In the private sector, which rarely has plans this 'good'(1), the
contributions are made by consumers that decide whether or not they are
willing to pay the price for goods/services to maintain these benefits
for the employees of the company they are buying from. This is an
automatic control on spending on the part of the company.
The gubment gives no choice to it's 'consumers'. Gubment employers are
unconstrained as there is no option for price inflation to offset
compensation inflation. In the case of gubment, tax increases are the
equivalent price inflation - with zero specific controls to balance
things out. Taxes are not optional. Buying stuff is.
(1) Corporations are the exception employer. A good deal of them, if
not most, 'self insure'. They outsource plan administration to an
insurance company, but they are still constrained by the profitability
requirement to meet overall compensation cost as they directly pay for
claims + admin.
swampstomper
Well, you're just describing the difference in sources of revenue between
gov't and private sector. The context of this discussion is whether these
employees are getting "Cadillac" type benefits. You pointed out that these
plans are subsidized, but private plans are often subsidized also. The
source of the revenue is really not relevant to the question of whether
these gov't plans stand out as being extravagant compared to plans offered
in the private sector.
The fact that anyone would consider a reasonable allotment of paid sick
leave and vacation time extravagant is a sad commentary on what people have
been conditioned to expect in terms of compensation in the private sector.
"Beat down that working class! Beat those fuckers down!"
And people wonder why America's middle class is a dying breed.
BobF
> BobF<noth...@nospam.yum> wrote in news:ipeco6$fb8$1...@dont-email.me:
The source of revenue *is* the very heart of the discussion
swampstomper
> The source of revenue *is* the very heart of the discussion
Well, the justification offered for cutting these plans is that they are
lavish. That has been disputed, and it was in that context that you pointed
out that the gov't plans were subsidized; as if that stood as evidence that
the plans were overly generous. The source of revenue has no bearing on
that part of the discussion.
BobF
A) They are 'lavish' compared to what those paying for the plans have
available.
B) If it weren't for the cost to taxpayers, nobody would give a shit.
BobF
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> On Apr 29, 9:58 am, BobF<notha...@nospam.yum> wrote:
>> On 4/29/2011 9:49 AM, swampstomper wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> The source of revenue *is* the very heart of the discussion
>>
>>> Well, the justification offered for cutting these plans is that they are
>>> lavish. That has been disputed, and it was in that context that you pointed
>>> out that the gov't plans were subsidized; as if that stood as evidence that
>>> the plans were overly generous. The source of revenue has no bearing on
>>> that part of the discussion.
>>
>> A) They are 'lavish' compared to what those paying for the plans have
>> available.
>>
>> B) If it weren't for the cost to taxpayers, nobody would give a shit.
>
> that in TN the bennys are nowhere near "lavish". For health insurance,
> I actually pay a bit more than many of my counterparts in private
> industry and it's very average insurance. Retirement is very
> comparable to most anywhere else although the "company match" is much
> better at most private companies. We do have a good portion of sick
> and personal leave but, again, it's the same as private industry. You
> all seem to be forgetting the offset....wages. Goob wages are
> traditionally a bit lower than private industry. Personally, I've
> enjoyed a single, anemic little increase in 8 years. We do enjoy the
> illusion that, perhaps, they'll let us actually stay employed until we
> retire (not as much age discrimination). For me, it's a good, fairly
> stable base income. I hustle on the weekends to make our "make momma
> smile" money. My average week is 50-60 hours.
>
TN seemed more reasonable during the time I lived there. Is your 50-60
hours gubment time, or is the amount beyond 34-36 (;-)) the additional
time you choose to work?
Zelix
> The killer robot Zelix <zelichan200...@gmail.com> grabbed the controls of
> the spaceship cakewalk.coffeehouse and pressed these buttons...
>
> > I'm pretty much in the same boat. I can't help but think that these
> > "Cadillac" plans should be the norm. It seems as if the rest of the
> > world is getting better gigs while the USA pays for it all. I know
> > that Iraq got national health care...WTF? Why can't we? Hell we paid
> > for russian army dudes to buy houses a few decades ago. Why are we
> > doing this shit?
>
> > Why is it that the gov. wants more money from us. They take that money
> > and give it to other countries that hate us. Why can't the gov. put
> > the money back into the very people that it's supposedly looking out
> > for?
>
>
> The Treasury Department takes in about $177 billion a month on average.
> Interest on public debt only costs $19 billion a month.
> Average monthly spending -- minus interest -- is $276 billion.
> That means we're short $118 billion every month.
>
> The *only* way to make these irresponsible fuckers at the helm get it
> together is to have an intervention, and get them off the crack pipe!
>
No trueier words have been spoken. I don't think that they should do
it to the expense of the American public. I'd like to see them quit
pissing the money away on other countries and C!4 black budgets.
I"m all for an intervention. First thing we have to do is get rid of
the Two Party Dictatorship.
swampstomper
> A) They are 'lavish' compared to what those paying for the plans have
> available.
Perhaps by today's standards. At one time those kinds of plans were pretty
standard.
> B) If it weren't for the cost to taxpayers, nobody would give a shit.
I don't think that makes for a good excuse to continue lowering the
standard of compensation for middle class working people. We should be
trying to maintain a decent standard that would encourage private sector
companies to provide more robust benefits if they want to compete for
desireable employees.
It's interesting that conservatives were once focused on beating down the
poor at every available opportunity. Perhaps realizing that the poor really
don't have much to get fucked out of to begin with the target has become
the middle class.
Gerry Peters
I agree. We need to close a good portion of the US bases overseas, cut
the military spending in half. We'd still spend way more than any
other nation.
The fix for SS is easy, just raise the $100K limit. Anyone that makes
over $100K/ yr stops paying into SS on anything above $100K. Raise the
taxes a little on millionaries and we won't have to gut medicare and
education, etc. This is what Ryan and other Reeps are hearing in town
halls from their Reep constituents.
>
>I"m all for an intervention. First thing we have to do is get rid of
>the Two Party Dictatorship.
amen, neither party really represents the people
--
Gerry Peters
Gerry Peters
<vdrumsYourHe...@cox.net> wrote:
>The killer robot Gerry Peters <Gerry...@nospam.com> grabbed the controls
>of the spaceship cakewalk.coffeehouse and pressed these buttons...
>
>>>> Well, I think they need to be cut off at the checkbook.
>>>>
>>>> The Treasury Department takes in about $177 billion a month on average.
>>>> Interest on public debt only costs $19 billion a month.
>>>> Average monthly spending -- minus interest -- is $276 billion.
>>>> That means we're short $118 billion every month.
>>>>
>>>> The *only* way to make these irresponsible fuckers at the helm get it
>>>> together is to have an intervention, and get them off the crack pipe!
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>No trueier words have been spoken. I don't think that they should do
>>>it to the expense of the American public. I'd like to see them quit
>>>pissing the money away on other countries and C!4 black budgets.
>>
>> I agree. We need to close a good portion of the US bases overseas, cut
>> the military spending in half. We'd still spend way more than any
>> other nation.
>>
>> The fix for SS is easy, just raise the $100K limit. Anyone that makes
>> over $100K/ yr stops paying into SS on anything above $100K. Raise the
>> taxes a little on millionaries and we won't have to gut medicare and
>> education, etc. This is what Ryan and other Reeps are hearing in town
>> halls from their Reep constituents.
>
>We also need to close the tax loopholes that the uber rich, and HUGE
>companies like GE exploit to pay little if any taxes.
amen to that also. There are solutions without gutting the middle
class.
--
Gerry Peters
swampstomper
news:Xns9ED67C71DC870Br...@85.214.73.210:
> If the central banking system hadn't made the buying power of a dollar
> vanish, a lot of things could be like they used to be. A dollar
> currently has about 5 percent of the buying power it did in 1913, when
> the Federal Reserve System was created.
Taking that for what it's worth, how would you suggest combatting the
problem? Who are the beneficiaries of the Federal Reserve Banking system?
BobF
I'm in agreement with you guys on this, but I think there is one more
step. We also need to insist on a leaner, efficient government that has
national priorities.
Gerry Peters
Ok you got it!
Why don't they get us to solve the nations problems?
--
Gerry Peters
swampstomper
news:Xns9ED682DFDA41DBr...@85.214.73.210:
> Follow the U.S. constitution Article 1 Section 8 that says that
> Congress shall have the power to coin (create) money and regulate the
> value thereof.
>
> Also, in 1935, the US Supreme Court ruled the Congress cannot
> constitutionally delegate its power to another group.
Ok, I'm on board. How do we make it happen?
>> Who are the beneficiaries of the Federal Reserve Banking system?
>
> Might be these guys.
>
> Rothschild Bank of London, Warburg Bank of Hamburg, Rothschild Bank of
> Berlin, Lehman Brothers of New York, Lazard Brothers of Paris, Kuhn
> Loeb Bank of New York, Israel Moses Seif Banks of Italy, Goldman Sachs
> of New York, Warburg Bank of Amsterdam, and Chase Manhattan Bank of
> New York.
Sounds like some powerful players. How do we fight back? Do you think
putting limits on corporate campaign contributions might help?
Zelix
> On Fri, 29 Apr 2011 12:45:43 -0500, BobF <notha...@nospam.yum> wrote:
> >On 4/29/2011 12:23 PM, Gerry Peters wrote:
> >> On Fri, 29 Apr 2011 16:59:17 +0000 (UTC), Glennbo
>
> >>> The killer robot Gerry Peters<GerryPet...@nospam.com> grabbed the controls
because we're idjuts on a piss soaked buss filling in a crater?
lulz
Zelix
> Glennbo <vdrumsYourHeadFromYour...@cox.net> wrote innews:Xns9ED682DFDA41DBr...@85.214.73.210:
Oh so you believe it now that G'bo lays it out. I've been bztching
about the Fed Reserve for years, pal. That some evil shzt. Just look
at how it was formed and that'll tell you all you need to know.
Plus don't forget that Kennedy signed this executive order. That
sealed his fate.
http://www.john-f-kennedy.net/executiveorder11110.htm
Alot of powerful cats in charge of the Fed Res. crooked fucks the lot
of them.
Zelix
> The killer robot "Robin Banks, Esq." <Ba...@TheFederalReserve.com>
> grabbed the controls of the spaceship cakewalk.coffeehouse and pressed
> these buttons...
>
>
> >>> Unions are a significant voting bloc but obviously not enough to put
> >>> candidates in office without the support of non-union voters. They
> >>> can however make the difference in a close race. So what the dude
> >>> said isn't really that far from the truth.
>
> >> It's interesting though, that the labor union believes that they
> >> *bought* the Democrats.
>
> > Trump will shitcan those f**kin' 'RATs and Unions, and F-0-bomb them
> > and their House of Race Cards back to the f**k'n stone age!!!1!! :o)
>
> Trump and his greased weasel hair haven't got a snowball's chance in
> Hell of winning any election IMO.
>
Which makes him a good one to watch. He's gonna sling alot of shit in
the air. it will provide many lulz
swampstomper
news:670cfeab-2fdb-4032...@d2g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:
> Oh so you believe it now that G'bo lays it out.
I said I'd go along for the ride. The difference is that he's not wasting
my time with amateurish YouTube bullshit to support his argument. He's
explaining things he believes in, in his own words. I have learned to trust
that when he posts a link it ain't some flim-flam, right-wing bullshit.
Big dif Z.
Michael
"Robin Banks, Esq." <Ba...@TheFederalReserve.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9ED6A99FDB...@85.214.198.2...
> Zelix <zelicha...@gmail.com> tapped the mic and said
> news:52c4a9a4-ecb4-4522...@18g2000prd.googlegroups.com:
Given the past few days' events/revelations, he's now a shoe-in to *ensure*
a base-split.
> It will be like Reagan F**kin' Squared!!
More like Johnson F**kin' Squared, unless I've once more underestimated
America's electoral stupidity.
> EVRYBODY wants those f**ckin' shitballs FIRED
That sentiment seems rampant (at least among a large and vocal minority),
true... but how then will you or any of your faveourite loony-pundits
explain the fact that almost *NO* one accepts the actual America proposed by
the Republicans, but intenend to vote for them anyhow?
Zelix
Well not to be an azz..but I posted an entire youtube series about the
formation of the Fed Reserve that was well documented years ago. It
laid out exactly what the Fed Res. is, how it was formed, how Kenedy
tried to stop it.... No one took the time to watch it.
You know I love Conspriacy therooies.... yep sometimes it's not true..
but damn if I don't NO THINGs...LOl
no hate brotha.. good to see you have a open mind about it.
Peace.
Michael
"Zelix" <zelicha...@gmail.com> wrote
>.... No one took the time to watch it.
Oh, ye of little faith...
swampstomper
> Well not to be an azz..but I posted an entire youtube series
A *YouTube series*.
Really?
I look at YouTube for casual entertainment, and it's great for that. Any
asshole can post stuff there, just like here.
Problem: There is no one verifying the credibility of what is posted on
YouTube.
No one.
Ever.
You got that?
Nobody has ever won a Pulitzer Prize for shit they posted on YouTube.
Why is that?
It is simply not a valid source of news and information. I know you want it
to be, really really bad, but you're compleyely out of your fucking mind if
you think anybody is ever going to accept that shit as anything but the
crap that it is.
dick
> "Robin Banks, Esq." <Ba...@TheFederalReserve.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9ED6A99FDB...@85.214.198.2...
>> Zelix <zelicha...@gmail.com> tapped the mic and said
>> news:52c4a9a4-ecb4-4522...@18g2000prd.googlegroups.com:
>>
Trump has so many skeletons in his closet he'll make the swift-boat
attacks look like a little-girl's tea party. :-D
Therefore I wholeheartedly endorse Trump, as he obviously carries the
amoral shield for the conservatics and will cost them a fortune and the
election to defend. Bring him on! :-D
dick
The True Spirit of '08:
<http://tinyurl.com/2j78qt>
The Boss Confronting "The American Taliban"®
<http://tinyurl.com/bt75g8>
(he's right behind me, isn't he?)
dick
Have ye not learned yet that idjuts and conservatics are devoid of
critical thinking skills and so easily fooled and defend their folly
enthusiastically! Forever! :-D
dick
> Biden didn't realise he presided over until Sarah Palin told him on
> National TV as witnessed by the entire world, including the Grade Three
> class from Wasilla that got extra credit for watching her bitch slap the
> goof Live. <wink> :o)
>> Therefore I wholeheartedly endorse Trump, as he obviously carries the
>> amoral shield for the conservatics and will cost them a fortune and
>> the election to defend. Bring him on! :-D
>
> that you''ll never forget! :o)
<chortle>
The Fish Lady and Weasel Rug!
This is gonna be delightful, bitch! :-D
Zelix
Well it's the internet. People post documentaries on You Tube as well,
pal. There are news feed from other countries that tell the truth
about what is going on in the world.
Just like TV....you can watch Sponge Bob Square pants or you can watch
the history channel.
So don't shoot the messenger because you don't like the container the
message is carried in.
swampstomper
news:d83b4416-520f-4888...@z7g2000prh.googlegroups.com:
> So don't shoot the messenger because you don't like the container the
> message is carried in.
>
If your message has merit there's an excellent chance it will be published
somewhere other than YouTube. If you are content to believe whatever
bullshit any asshole feels like dishing out YouTube is your trusted news
source.
I would never shoot a messenger, but if he's full of shit enough times I
will not waste my time with his messages.
Zelix
No worries, dude. If you don't want to know the truth that's cool.
I've verified the video contents. There are many credible sources that
have documented how the Fed. Reserve was formed. The videos just
condense all the different information from books and sources into one
form.
I'll save the trouble of posting them again. Good luck with finding
out about it on your own [if you even care enough to].
peace.
Ouroboros Rex
> The killer robot Zelix<zelicha...@gmail.com> grabbed the controls of
> the spaceship cakewalk.coffeehouse and pressed these buttons...
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>> I'm pretty much in the same boat. I can't help but think that these
>> "Cadillac" plans should be the norm. It seems as if the rest of the
>> world is getting better gigs while the USA pays for it all. I know
>> that Iraq got national health care...WTF? Why can't we? Hell we paid
>> for russian army dudes to buy houses a few decades ago. Why are we
>> doing this shit?
>>
>> Why is it that the gov. wants more money from us. They take that money
>> and give it to other countries that hate us. Why can't the gov. put
>> the money back into the very people that it's supposedly looking out
>> for?
>
> Well, I think they need to be cut off at the checkbook.
>
> The Treasury Department takes in about $177 billion a month on average.
> Interest on public debt only costs $19 billion a month.
> Average monthly spending -- minus interest -- is $276 billion.
> That means we're short $118 billion every month.
>
> The *only* way to make these irresponsible fuckers at the helm get it
> together is to have an intervention, and get them off the crack pipe!
>
drown the gov.t in the bathtub, and just watch the problem disappear.
Zelix
> On 4/29/2011 8:54 AM, Glennbo wrote:
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Nope. It's not a problem of money coming in. It's a problem of the
gov.t throwing it out the fucking window. Taxing the population to
death is not a solution to spending problem.
That is a fact.
Zelix
> The killer robot Zelix <zelichan200...@gmail.com> grabbed the controls
> of the spaceship cakewalk.coffeehouse and pressed these buttons...
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> >> > average. Interest on public debt only costs $19 billion a month.
> >> > Average monthly spending -- minus interest -- is $276 billion.
> >> > That means we're short $118 billion every month.
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> >> > The *only* way to make these irresponsible fuckers at the helm get
> >> > it together is to have an intervention, and get them off the crack
> >> > pipe!
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> >> Yup, just raise taxes back where they were before repubs promised
> >> to drown the gov.t in the bathtub, and just watch the problem
> >> disappear.
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> > Nope. It's not a problem of money coming in. It's a problem of the
> > gov.t throwing it out the fucking window. Taxing the population to
> > death is not a solution to spending problem.
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> > That is a fact.
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> an extra $5 billion a month, the house, senate, and president would very
> likely pass another $150 billion a month in new spending. They have a LONG
> track record of spending more than they take in, no matter how much they
> take in.
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Well dick said that the bush crater is filling with piss soaked buss
passes. Is that were it all went?
The fact remains that the more money you give them the more they'll
spend. It's sickening.
Zelix
> is working with someone else's money, so they don't give a shit what
> happens or what the consequences are.
>
Even more so the Fed Reserve is fucking with a countries money...most
the the "big wigs" that control it don't live in that country.
Funny how dat works.
dick
> They'll be turning off the spigot that has been flooding the country with
> cheep dollars soon, then there will be a boom of economic expansion,
> followed by another bust as they reel back in the excess of dollars.
You're a fool if you believe that.
Nobody's rocking the boat now except the conservatics in Congress trying
to seal the deal for their Big Money friends.
Zelix
> On 5/6/11 11:04 AM, Glennbo wrote:
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> > They'll be turning off the spigot that has been flooding the country with
> > cheep dollars soon, then there will be a boom of economic expansion,
> > followed by another bust as they reel back in the excess of dollars.
>
> You're a fool if you believe that.
> Nobody's rocking the boat now except the conservatics in Congress trying
> to seal the deal for their Big Money friends.
>
> dick
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You are an idiot if you blieve that, ,pal.
They are tanking the dollar so they can come up with this great plan
of making the north american union. It will save us all and make us
stronger like the EU...
Wait for it... it's coming, pal.
Gerry Peters
Correct. And the biggest waste of spending is coming from the military
and these wars. We got Bin Laden, time to declare victory and leave
Afghanistan. No reason to cut medicare or SS. Just cut this bloated
military budget. No reason in the world to raise taxes on the middle
class and poor, up it a little on the millionaires and we'll be fine
--
Gerry Peters